CTA Trading Desk Morning Report
[7:00am ET] Good morning.
Amid pressures being exerted from the higher oil price and the disappointing GDP estimates, traders must be impressed with the strength of the equity market as we start another week.
Earlier weakness in the equity futures appears to have cleared up with the lower Crude Oil price in the past few hours. The European bourses have also picked up in the past couple hours, led by the French banks. The USD has been trading in the 76's in the past few hours, threatening major support.
These developments are giving rise to the risk trade being put on with the likelihood now that gold and silver prices will further strengthen and the US Dollar index will further decline.
Here are the 7:00am ET snapshots of the latest equity market trading results for Europe, and futures prices plus 5-minute charts of the futures for S&P 500, 30-year US Treasury Bond, US Dollar index, Gold and Crude Oil.
| Symbol | Name | Last Trade | Change | Related Info |
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| ^ATX | ATX | 2,889.08 |
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| ^BFX | BEL-20 | 2,698.35 |
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| ^FCHI | CAC 40 | 4,081.25 |
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| ^GDAXI | DAX | 7,212.24 |
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| ^AEX | AEX General | 367.72 |
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| ^OSEAX | OSE All Share | 497.27 |
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| ^SMSI | Madrid General | N/A | 0.00 (0.00%) | Chart, More |
| ^OMXSPI | Stockholm General | 355.01 |
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| ^SSMI | Swiss Market | 6,593.91 |
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| ^FTSE | FTSE 100 | 5,979.06 |
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http://finviz.com/futures.ashx

http://finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?p=m5&t=ES

http://finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?p=m5&t=ZB

http://finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?p=m5&t=DX

http://finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?p=m5&t=GC

http://finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?p=m5&t=SI

http://finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?p=m5&t=CL
The team will check in during the day, reporting in the Discourse when there is a new entry.
Enjoy your day.
Cara on Trends & Cycles
Vad's Catch of the Day
Kaimu's Sound Money
CTA Trading Desk Mid-Day Report
CTA Trading Desk Post-Close Report
Good evening. Patrick here.
US stock futures were moderately lower early Monday morning, but by the start of regular trading hours equities were solidly higher, traders breathing a sigh of relief as crude oil (USO-1.29%) began pulling back. Stocks meandered around in higher ground for the balance of the session (S&P+0.56%), as most of us are very aware of the recent past several months’ tendency of large opening gaps higher in the equity markets on the first trading day of each month.
A really dull, listless day with few notable developments. The Obama administration announced very late in the trading session they had awarded the first deep water drilling license since the BP disaster to Noble (NBL+3.89%) causing a big spike late into the close. Solar stocks were weak again as First Solar (FSLR-6.35%) was bludgeoned for fifth time in six days, and investors sold off (SOL-4.25%) prior to the release of its earnings report tomorrow morning.
The Egyptian stock market reopens tomorrow so maybe that will inject a bit of volatility into world markets. Resistance up above remains at S&P 1345 and 1360, support 1295 and 1275.
Have a great evening.
Comments
Jet8400 "atrocity report" from last nite
He states "meanwhile things like this aren't talked about till now" The incident (stupid and horrible) occured in 2006 and was reported on, believe all participants were court martialed. The sourse he quotes, World News Connection. was originally called "Foreign Broadcast Information Service (FBIS) was an open source intelligence component of the Central Intelligence Agency's Directorate of Science and Technology. It monitored, translated, and disseminated within the U.S. government openly available news and information from media sources outside the United States." We do live in a rather open society and I felt that (having served in the military, including 4 years in and around Vietnam) I had to comment on jet8400's statement, because the incident was pretty well covered at that time w/numerous follow-ups. As Sgt Friday used to say "just the facts, maam"
Cara 100 Ratings Changes For POMO Monday
Good morning.
5-7 Billion Dollar POMO Injection Today.
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8:30 - Personal Income/Spending
8:30 - PCE Prices
9:45 - Chicago PMI
10:00 - Pending Home Sales
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AMZN - Amazon.com downgraded to Neutral from Buy at UBS based on concerns its Prime Video Streaming expansion will result in added costs and margin pressure. Price target lowered to $180 from $195.
NUE - Nucor initiated with a Buy at Argus. Target $57
PG - Procter & Gamble downgraded to Market Perform from Outperform at BMO Capital citing cost inflation and a stagnant growth in in developed countries. Price target lowered to $70 from $74.
POT - Potash upgraded to Buy from Neutral at Gleacher based on accelerating potash prices. Price target is $74.
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"The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level."
- Norman Mailer
Wisdom from high above:
(Sarcasm mode on)
(US) Fed's Dudley: QE2 has aided the US economy, has not generated financial imbalances; US economic outlook has "improved considerably"
- Fed is still far from its inflation and job growth goals.
- Core inflation is stabilizing and inflation expectations are restrained.
- There is still plenty of slack in the economy, which will blunt inflation.
- Fed is watching for signs of commodity prices being passed through to consumers.
- Feels it is unwise for the Fed to overreact to surging commodity prices.
- Expects to see considerable slack in job market through 2012.
In case they need a hint where to "watch for signs of commodity prices being passed through to consumers," ever thought to drop by to the nearest gas station? Might be just the ticket.
(Sarcasm mode off)
'Anonymous’ targets the brothers Koch
"'Koch Industries, and oligarchs like them, have most recently started to manipulate the political agenda in Wisconsin,' an announcement posted to anonnews.org declared."
"'Governor Walker's union-busting budget plan contains a clause that went nearly un-noticed. This clause would allow the sale of publicly owned utility plants in Wisconsin to private parties (specifically, Koch Industries) at any price, no matter how low, without a public bidding process,' they explained. 'The Koch's have helped to fuel the unrest in Wisconsin and the drive behind the bill to eliminate the collective bargaining power of unions in a bid to gain a monopoly over the state's power supplies.'"
"They added that if one would like to withdraw their unknowing support for the brothers Koch, an array of products would need to be boycotted -- and not just by Americans, but people world-wide."
"In the US, those products were listed as Vanity Fair, Quilted Northern, Angel Soft, Sparkle, Brawney, Mardi Gras and Dixie. For Europe, they were Demak'Up, Kitten Soft, Lotus / Lotus Soft, Tenderly, Nouvelle Soft, Okay Kitchen Towels, Colhogar, Delica, Inversoft and Tutto."
"All were produced by the "Georgia-Pacific" company, and all bear the logo seen above."
http://tinyurl.com/48s8sdr
Re: Wisdom from high above:
Thanks Vad. Things like this make me angry.
What they say is, "we're going to print money until we become prosperous again and everyone has a job." (Do they have cases in history where money printing led to prosperity and full employment? I'm anxious to hear about these cases. Of course there aren't any, so that's why they don't mention them.)
What they mean is, they want to print money until inflation hits the housing market, in order to support the bank balance sheets. Of course that won't work either - well not without unintended consequences.
Who appointed these idiots as gods anyway?
Re: Wisdom from high above:
Thanks for posting. This explains the dollar action premarket. Looks like my long UUP/EUO/YCS trade will not work. If so, I'm thinking about shorting dollar if it breaks the support.
Edit: UUP stopped out. EUO is barely hanging and YCS is doing fine.
Re: Wisdom from high above:
Meanwhile, rearranging some chairs on the deck should help, they think:
(US) FDIC head Bair: Larger financial institutions may need to make structural alterations to comply with the Dodd-Frank rule
- Large firms, especially those with int'l presence may need to establish new subsidiaries.
It's not even funny...
Re: Wisdom from high above:
Indeed, Vad.
This BS from the Ministry of Information grows tiring.
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"What they mean is, they want to print money until inflation hits the housing market, in order to support the bank balance sheets."
That sums it up quite well, davefairtex. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Regards,
BH
Re: Jet8400 "atrocity report" from last nite
Tobyt,
I posted too this late to matter I guess, so here it is again.
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I thought I remembered reading about this at the time. Here is a TIME article.
http://tiny.cc/r1hig
This disgusting behavior is probably a product of every war, but fortunately not typical of the US military.
Apparently it took this long to get the complete story.
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I also think those involved were court martialed. I couldn't find the WSJ article, however.
The Oscars last night....
I don't usually watch but last night I was on the couch with my wife in control of TV when the Oscar for best Documetary was presented for the Inside Job, it forced me into spontaneous applause...scroll down on link and click on video and watch his first statement.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/inside-job-best-documen...
JPM
This is a bank that two years ago was on its knees before the public begging for a bailout, now it is frontrunning its clients, and the public, just like its pesky brother GS
JP Morgan (NYSE: JPM) may invest $450 million in Twitter (WSJ)
Read more: Today’s Best Market Rumors (2/28/2010) Twitter $450 Million Investment, Glencore IPO - 24/7 Wall St. http://247wallst.com/2011/02/28/todays-best-market...
Ilya and Cap Rates
Ilya -
You said:
"Let's not parse terms here. In effect I said that a lower interest rate on the debt of a commercial property will, all things equal, result in a higher apprasial hence a higher potential selling price for said asset." - #80553
That's true but what you originally said:
"Increased cash flow lowers the CAP rate and increases the asset value of the property." - #80531
Can't fix that statement. Increased cash flow may be the benefit of a lower interest rate but it doesn't lower the cap rate. Nor does the debt service increase or decrease the NOI which is the income to which the Cap Rate is applied. Cash flow is simply NOI less Debt Service. The cap rate is taken from the market and applied to the proforma not vice versa.
Perhaps you should pitch that Casio and step up to an HP12C. Hope that helps as you lever up into that increasing NOI but you may want to ask an employee of the company paying that NOI how things are shaken before you go to the wall with a 5-year balloon on that 15-year money. As we say in the real estate business, CASH IS KING, especially in this environment.
Cheers.
Just Another Manic Monday
Too dangerous to short/No time to be opening longs. Wish I had a few miners, but cash comes in a close second.
Timberline Resources
Anybody know what's happening with TLR this morning?
Heavy volumes/down 10%
Not a good way to start my Monday...
edit: never mind..
"Timberline Resources Corp announced that it has entered into agreements to sell 5,263,158 shares of common stock of the Company at USD0.95 per share...."
Cara 100 Update (Final)
JOYG - numbers increased at UBS. JOYG estimates were raised through 2012, UBS said. Customers are spending more on mining, given rising commodity prices. Buy rating and new $112 price target.
WAG - estimates, target upped at Morgan Stanley. WAG estimates were boosted through 2013, Morgan Stanley said. Company should see higher sales, given flu rates. Management is also keeping a tight lid on costs. Overweight rating and new $50 price target.
Re: Timberline Resources
Timberline Announces US$5 M Offering Of Common Stk
Last update: 2/28/2011 8:45:51 AM
(MORE TO FOLLOW) Dow Jones Newswires (212-416-2400)
February 28, 2011 08:45 ET (13:45 GMT)
Re: 'Anonymous’ targets the brothers Koch
Is The Wisconsin Bill Really Hiding A Secret Bonanza For Energy Companies?
"When you actually zero in on this particular issue, I can see where people who don't like Walker and don't like his budget ideas would probably say that," David Hoopman, who works on regulatory affairs for the Wisconsin Electric Cooperative Association, told TPM. "But to take it the next step and say that this is a bonanza waiting to happen for private business, I think is a bit of stretch." "If I were an independent power producer, I don't know if I would come swooping in," he added.
Charlie Higley, executive director of the Citizens Utility Board, which "fights for reliable and affordable electricity and telephone service on behalf of Wisconsin customers," echoed Hoopman. "There's all sorts of people that are worried about this," Higley said. "I'm less worried about it the more I look at it."
http://tinyurl.com/4uw9j6w
Re: Just Another Manic Monday
Agree. Dollar is sold very heavily (by the man behind the curtain) to keep US equities afloat. Tomorrow could be another melt up as it's first of month.
I covered my VXX short for quick profit, though.
Re: The Oscars last night....
LOL, I didn't watch either, but my wife did watch some. While I was briefly in the living room I heard that statement and thought WTF!!!???
This guy has balls and should be a national hero. I hope banksters don't plan to assassinate him.
Re: The Oscars last night....
Prodisc,
Thanks for the video link.
I didn't watch either, but hope Bush, Obama, Bernanke, Paulson, a whole bunch of "congressional dupes... did watch it.
Grym
Re: The Oscars last night....
Thank you for the link Prodisc; Good thing you watched the program or I might not have seen Charles Ferguson anounce that still - no banker has gone to jail...
regards,
Earl
pension systems
lessmore - "I can not see anything about my proposed plan that would disqualify it as a pension system because the pension amount is capped and not proportionate to contributions for some."
Currently, social security appears to act like a defined contribution plan. Money out IS proportional to money in. If you put in $10k per year, you get out substantially more than if you put in $1k per year. It appears to be fair. Your changes would, for some group of people, remove this perception of fairness.
Those people might put in $50M per year, but they'll only get $50k. For them, no matter what nice label you put on it, its not a pension system at all, its just an additional tax.
This relies on the traditional popular approach to taxation: Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree.
Again, Social Security is perceived right now as fair. After your "fix", that would no longer be the case. I claim this makes it no longer appear to be a defined contribution pension plan, but instead, is just a welfare program with an income tax attached.
FT's Lex: The yield curve: flattening again
http://on.ft.com/dHJslS
Record steepness to give way due to rising short-term yields i.e. a bear flattening. Market braced for the Fed to tighten, but if it doesn't oblige, the market it will do it for them.
Looking for strength in ISM and non-farm payroll data, due this week
I found a way to short Brent Crude without futures
by shorting BRO. I opened a small position.
Edit: sorry, I meant BNO. Usually no shares to short, but managed to find same this AM.
Foreclosures, assessments and taxes
Here in Rockford, IL, we got an update in yesterday's paper.
I have noticed an increasing number of vacant, but not yet for sale homes in my neighborhood. The report shows that in my ZIP code, 78 of 404 sales last year were owned by banks. What it didn't show is the number which were short sales. That number is impossible to calculate, but last week it was revealed the selling prices have continued to fall with no end in sight. This should be remembered as "happy news" reports of increased home sales continue to be touted by politicians.
As for commercial the number of vacant stores at malls is obvious — Circuit City has been sitting there for over a year and Ks Merchandise has be empty for close to eight. Sears Essentials is running a big sale today before shutting down too.
While gas and food rise homeowners are trapped in property which continues to fall below the unpaid mortgage level, but although assessments will be lower the article warns of a 1.5% RE tax increase to come.
The Middle Class squeeze goes on while, as pointed out in the documentary film, NOBODY goes to jail!
Armstrong
Martin Armstrong is out in an orange jumpsuit with his latest this morning regarding the cycle of revolutions and deep thoughts on the euro and swissy.
http://tinyurl.com/4nvg433
Cheers.
Go but the Gold stays
Good to have when things go bad, But. . .
CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt on Sunday banned the export of gold for the next four months, a measure bankers said seemed aimed at preventing businessmen and former government officials who acquired capital illegally from transferring it abroad.
An official from a gold mine in Egypt said he was confident it was not aimed at gold production but at individual exports.
A decree banning the export of gold in all its forms, including jewelry and ornaments, was issued by newly appointed Trade Minister Samir el-Sayyad. It takes effect immediately and continues until June 30, the official news agency MENA reported.
Re: 'Anonymous’ targets the brothers Koch
Fox1,
I do not understand how anyone (except those who expect an undeserved financial windfall directly or indirectly) can defend a no bid contract for the sale of publicly owned assets. Without competing bids for valuable public assets the prices will be bargain basement and the windfall will be stratospheric. That is the way business is done in an oligarchy. I guess bidding is an anachronistic process that was adopted before this country was transformed into an oligarchy.
weakness in FCX and TCK after morning pop
I added some more puts.
Re: Go but the Gold stays
Vietnam central bank also seeking ban on gold trade as the dong turns to dung ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110228-70255...
Re: 'Anonymous’ targets the brothers Koch
The “no-bid” aspect of the Bill rightfully lends itself to the perception of impropriety. I don’t agree with it. However, I would think a private investor (the brothers Koch included) would want to earn a return on their investment. These assets have little value now and will require a tremendous amount of investment capital going forward. The purchase (through bid or no) seems like an unwise venture even for someone who may desire “to gain a monopoly over the state's power supplies”.
More on this issue:
“Jeff Plale, a former Democratic state senator who was hired by the Walker administration to run the Division of State Facilities, said he didn't think a bidding process is appropriate for the sale of the heating plants. "A bid implies that there is a value in the physical asset," he said.
It's difficult to tell what kind of price they could fetch, particularly because of environmental liabilities. Several of the old coal plants are in potential violation of the Clean Air Act because they lack modern pollution controls, Plale said.
"A number of these plants have potential environmental liabilities hanging over their head. How that falls into the mix still needs to be addressed," Plale said.”
http://tinyurl.com/4q8wx86
Re: 'Anonymous’ targets the brothers Koch
"These assets have little value now and will require a tremendous amount of investment capital going forward."
If the value is small the bids will be small. Nobody should have confidence that the asset's sale price is fair to the public when the price is negotiated surreptitiously between political cronies.
"It's difficult to tell what kind of price they could fetch, particularly because of environmental liabilities."
Koch industries has vast experience averting the consequences of environmental and other liabilities.
See, wikipedia section on Koch Industries Environmental and safety record
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries
I have faith that all bidders would have environmental liability experience.
"Several of the old coal plants are in potential violation of the Clean Air Act because they lack modern pollution controls, Plale said."
But he neglected to mention that if the coal plants continue to be operated in their current unimproved state their current controls remain "grandfathered" and legal under the Clean Air Act and the operation of such plants are not and will not be in violation of the Clean Air Act.
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getting out of most positions... nasty undercurrents.
What's the deal with AKAM?
I understand last week's haircut - but thought it was going to go back up with the cloud/bandwidth hype. Any idea why it's down to 37.XX ? (No positions, but looking to write puts)
Re: What's the deal with AKAM?
I think NYUGrad or TODinfl work at AKAM. It has doubled since that conversation probably a year ago. I have a position and am perplex4ed by withering selling today on double average volume. My sources think AKAM can win, and at these prices presents a plausible takeover candidate. They are industry leader in a competitive field. http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=...
BCON - AKA BCOND NICE POP
sold half my position.
Earl
NVAX
15:53:44Novavax Inc. HHS Awards Contracts to Develop New Flu Vaccine Technology- The contracts for advanced development of new types of vaccine and new ways to make flu vaccine known as next-generation recombinant influenza vaccine total $215M.
- HHS awarded one contract to Novavax, Inc., of Rockville, Md., for $97M over the first three years, which can be extended for an additional two years, for a total contract value of $179.1M. HHS awarded a separate contract to VaxInnate (private), Inc. of Cranbury, N.J., for $117.9M over the first three years, which can be extended for two additional years, for a total contract value of $196.6M.
Trading Platform Redux
Greetings all -
I know we do this every so often and would like to restart the thread for anyone who's willing to participate - I primarily use Tradestation, but also use TD Ameritrade's Think or Swim module and have been thinking about consolidating/moving some assets around, therefore:
What trading platform do you use?
Why do you like it?
Why do you hate it?
What about commissions/other costs?
How about the charting?
How about the fills?
Easy to borrow (short) shares?
Can you trade all market vehicles (Stocks, FX, Options, Commodities, Futures, etc.)?
Is the company great or impossible to deal with (back office errors, etc.)?
Do you use it for daytrading (my primary interest), swing or investing?
Anything else you care to rant about...
Thank in advance to all - and, as always, good luck in your trading!
Re: Trading Platform Redux
You forgot the two most important questions:
1. Can you trade on a good selection of foreign exchanges?
2. Can you convert your coin to foreign currency?
Without those options, how do you protect from a hyperinflationary risk?
I believe Interactive Brokers is a good choice.
Cheers.
crocodile falls crk.to
Crocodile says rainfall has impacted results???
Permits for Pine Creek not be received until 2nd quarter?
Anyone following this one?
Comments?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/28/crocodil...
Re: Trading Platform Redux
Thank you, my good Dr....
I have considered IB for exactly these reasons - they also have a "portfolio margin" account that if I understand it correctly (haven't looked closely yet) somewhat gets around T-3 settlement issues in an IRA. I have watched for a very long time overseas markets trade up (or down) as a means of managing expectations prior to the US open, and as precursor to setting up a US open in a way most beneficial way to the powers that be. But I haven't found a way to stay awake all the time yet ;)
Do you regularly trade the overseas markets through IB?
Thanks for your input - much appreciated.
Re: BCON - AKA BCOND NICE POP
Say it ain't so, Joe !.. To hell with the elephants, I'm going after the White Rhino !!!!!
See the Post-Close Report
In the commentary at the top of the page.
Re: NVAX
Thanks for the post Vad - I took a whopping 100 share flyer @ 2.67 shortly after the close. They added another release about a licensing/production deal with LG Life Sciences at 7:30 ET. Bidding at $3.60ish now. Volume should be substantial on this one tomorrow.
Finally
Hi All - The Regime finally developed a bit of sense.... Approval of the Noble Energy Gulf application comes as oil prices are rising in response to unrest in the Middle East, and many in Congress and in industry are complaining of burdensome rules that are thwarting the development of domestic energy resources. Heck they should give Shell a tax credit to explore AK this season after politicking around with them ....(~2/4/11) Shell has dropped plans to drill in the Arctic waters of the Beaufort Sea this year and will concentrate on obtaining permits for the 2012 season. The recent remand of air permits issued by EPA was the final driver behind the decision. Happy Trading
A Common Disaster
http://tinyurl.com/5vrn8f7
Run away with me from a life so cramped and dull
Not worry too much about the happily-ever-after
Just keep the Caddy moving
'til we're well beyond that hill
Won't you share a common disaster?
Share with me a common disaster
A common disaster
We have all shared the same experience with the leveraged inverse ETFs. A common disaster in every sense.
A candle burning for everything I've ever wanted
A tattoo burned for everything I've ever wanted and lost
I had a long list of names that I kept in my back pocket,
But I've cut it down to one and your name's at the top
Which names top the list? I successfully traded TZA/VXX this morning. The trades weren't posted because (a) the positions were small (total net gain was $115), and (b) I would have looked like a dumb--- if they had turned into losses. In fact, had I held either one longer than a half hour, the trades would have ended up in the red.
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duplicate
US Freezes Record $30 Billion in Libyan Assets
Battles are sometimes won with the pen(mouse), Looks like the US will be getting a refund on there oil purchases, would that be something like a refund voucher?
Re: Ilya and Cap Rates
Dr. S,
I stand corrected. You are right about CAP rates as they are a function of a host of variables not the least of which are longer dated T-Trash rates.
My banker 'friend' is offering a 15 year fixed, not a 15 year amortization with five year resets.
Perhaps our defination of an asset's value differs. My approach has always been cash available for distribution on a tripple net basis. The biggest 'swings' in that equation are rent rates and mortgage rates.
Forget taxes and insurance. They NEVER decline or never have declined in my lifetime but rents have only increased over the last 26 years and mortgage rates have at least halved or more. Thought another way, if Microsoft doubled their dividend with no impairment to their growth rate or asset base, I would expect the stock price to increase by some decent percent.
A decline in mortgage rates makes a property more valuable just as changing the depreciation terms from 30 years to 15 years altered the economics of commercial property in the 1980's.
Those of us who willingly balance our accounts to cash each month without resorting to FASB 'mark to hope' accounting or other Federally sanctioned fraud gimmicks know very close what our assets are worth in any competitive market on any given day.
My 'inflation' trade is to use debt as a weapon. As long as interest rates are so silly stupid cheap against the declining value of my digital confetti, I will borrow monies on income properties from the blissfully ignorant establishment who wrongly believes that the 'spread' from zero interest rate deposits invested in 5 year T-Trash will continue to earn their nut year after year. No risk there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Ilya and Cap Rates
Ilya -
I'm with you on your inflation play - but only if inflation in everything including ability of tenants to pay increased rents comes to pass. If that happens, then the best bet bar none is to lever up using cheap money, and buy those income properties which will hopefully do more than cover your payments.
With 90% leverage, a 10% annual inflation in rents will yield a 100% ROI per year, all else being equal. All you need to do is break even on the income from the property.
The key is leverage. Gold will probably move step by step up with property. If you bought a million dollars with of gold by borrowing 900,000 it would net you the same 100% ROI, except that gold won't spin off cash flow to pay off the interest on your loan.
They key point though is the bit about rent inflation. If the economy goes into the crapper and you can't get tenants, then the strategy will fail. Gold doesn't give you cash flow to pay interest on debt, but neither does it care about tenants ability to pay rent.
SEED- Baz, @200 DMA
Have any thoughts on this? I'm thinking of taking another look toward the last week of March.
Regards
Earl
priced in dollars
Dr S -
Something occurred to me regarding our discussion the other day about things priced in dollars. If you go to a foreign country and wish to buy, lets say gold, the gold is not priced in dollars, it's priced in the local currency based on the exchange rate. In Thailand, for instance, they paint the gold price in the window of the gold shops every morning - in Thai Baht - and that's the price you pay. You don't need dollars to buy the gold, you need baht.
If gold were priced internationally in euros, in mexican pesos, or in zimbabwe dollars, within each country you will still pay in local currency. Nobody has to hold dollars to buy gold. How then would it matter if gold is suddenly priced in euros? Would it affect the Thais? Not one bit. Nobody in Thailand will hold any more (or fewer) dollars based on the currency in which it is priced.
The decision to hold dollars is made independently of how commodities are priced. I think national central banks deciding to hold fewer dollars as currency reserves will have a real impact on both the currency and inflation, and it won't be positive for the US. But commodity pricing doesn't matter, as long as currency exchange remains free.
Of course, if THAT changes - if there is no more free flow of currency, or if currencies are fixed in order to control inflation - then all bets are off...thinking about that possibility, currency controls and the like, makes my head spin. Perhaps the oil producing countries will want oil trades settled in gold at that point.
TTM - Msquare, @ 200 DMA
Cara RSI looking like some support here. Thoughts?
http://rsi.caracommunity.com/RSIApp/RSIApp.html#Ttm
Regards
Earl
CRESY - Dr. Strangelove, trying to catch 200 DMA
Checking in, bought 200 and will most likely add same at 15+change. I like the current reported balance sheet. Any thoughts?
Regards
Earl
Re: priced in dollars
Hi Dave; question, are there any money's tied to anything tangible? I think if not then all printed money's are in a bubble. Why would not all the major trading currencies be valued according to how conservative the issuing country's true debt is? Having to compete with a major trading partner who happens to be a comprecious thug would lead to no good. Just some rambling thoughts, happens working nights.
Regards
Earl
Re: priced in dollars
Earl - Don't know if any currencies are tied to anything tangible.
In some sense, tangible doesn't matter, all that matters is maintaining the artificial scarcity of the currency in a scrupulous way. However making a currency convertible into gold increases confidence that scarcity is being maintained, since if you have doubts, you can always convert.
Dr S's original contention was that if oil was priced in something other than dollars, it would dramatically affect the US dollar. I'm still struggling with why that is, in a world where you can swap one currency for another with minimal effort.
Re: priced in dollars
Well, I could understand that a reduction in the circulation of the dollar would result in it's deminished value, both in political and practical values. It would be marginalized away to the dungheap of history. But it's been reported here a few times that we are and remain on a gold standard, albeit fractionally. These are things I've read in the past that have some rational.
Regards
Earl
Re; Ilya, rent & cap rates...........
So rents have not gone down in 26 years.... you are truly blessed if you have owned in that location for those years as a landlord. My experience in the late 89/91 era was that house prices and rents in central texas area decreased by about half and I am sure owners in Fla, Az and other states have been going thru the same type haircut for the past few years. In such times leverage will truly destroy your net worth...I went from plus mid six figures to minus hi five figures within 3 years during the late 80/90 period so I speak from experience. I have no debt this time around and I sleep better although my silent patner/mafiaso type (local govt) does take a little more $$ each year and is up to over 25% of my gross rents now.....I do love RE and wish you the best, toby PS thanks to bill for this site and to BAZ22 for BCON which was truly a pleasant surprise when I got home last nitee from staining floors
Re: priced in dollars
Earl and davefairtex -
Thanks for the responses.
Fiat currency's tangible asset is DEBT. Kaimu schools us on this every week. Too much of fiat currency has been produced by gov't and now floats around electronically in the massive daily trades seeking a safe haven (carry trade). To judge the risk/return you need to look no further than the long-term bond rate. That's the rate of return for that paper asset over time. For example, the spread between the Portugese and German 10 year bond today is a whopping 4.45% owing to the higher risk that the Portugese default within the next decade.
U.S. debt, as the reserve currency, has entered into a dangerous Confidence game of the Bearded One holding key interest rates below inflation while buying up the runaway public debt. The sovereign buyers of U.S. debt have left the stage. To get buyers back into U.S. debt, rates must rise but even today's low interest on this debt cannot be covered by tax revenues. The risk of dollar collapse (hyperinflation) grows by the day.
There are two great cabals manipulating fiat currencies: OPEC and the NY banks. Both public and private debt have finally hit the wall with the FED and its NY banks to blame. Consumption is on life support. Commodity inflation export is the direct result of U.S. QE and ominously caused North Africa and the Middle East to erupt last month. Now OPEC oil production and trade in USD come into focus with all eyes on Saudi Arabia, the controlling member of OPEC. Note too that Libya is an OPEC member.
The DAVOS solution is to reliquify sovereign debt by issuing some $100 TRILLION over the next decade in SDRs to replace the USD as the reserve currency. See the Rickards interview at KWN below. Rickards is a strategist on financial security for the Pentagon.
http://tinyurl.com/4vcr8vj
Physical gold is the only asset that is arguably free of capital controls because it lacks counter party risk and is a insignificant market traded globally for over 5,000 years. Probability is high that SDRs will have partial gold backing and replace the Petrodollar. Fiat currency printing to infinity will then be cease with the SDR as a check on the exchange rates.
Let's hope war with China doesn't intercede in the meantime as the big economies secure food and energy in the asset chess game to thwart REVOLUTION.
Cheers.
Re: Ilya and Cap Rates
Ross -
Just wanted to clarify as you seem to have a handle on the fundamentals but got a little screwy on way it comes out in the wash. The proforma on a commercial property works in this order:
Gross Revenues
Vacancy & Collection Loss
Effective Gross Revenues
Operating Expenses
taxes
insurance
maintenance
utilities
management/admin
replace reserves
Net Operating Income
Debt Service
Cash Flow
Cap Rate applies to the NOI and is a market driven metric. Regarding the net, net, net lease, that just means a pass through of the operating expenses to the tenant so that in theory the nnn lease base rate is lower than the gross lease because of the pass through by the amount of that pass through.
Your strategy to lock in debt and then pay off as inflation hits is a good one but with high risk. If the strategy goes underwater with runaway expenses and defaulting or vacating tenants as you attempt to raise rents to cover this inflation will put you underwater in a highly ILLIQUID asset. I think Bill pontificated on this in the last WIR. Great fortunes have been made but more easily and with far less risk when buying up said commercial real estate at the peak of a hyperinflationary event. Cash is king! Patience is a virtue.
Unlike the hyper trade of equities, commercial real estate can commonly transend generations. For example, Queen Elizabeth II inherited vast areas of downtown London after her ancestors established 100 year ground leases that were developed with trophy buildings by the tenant. As those century old leases expired, she took control of those prime improvements on her land and the next generation of royalty preserves wealth. Think of the best commercial real estate as an investment in your family's future generations and you can understand the logic of its true value.
Stay thirsty, my friend.