Bill Cara’s Morning Call
[8:12am ET] With today’s news that Citigroup (C) has come to an agreement with the U.S. government to repay $20 billion of monies received under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, there is one piece of business remaining for Humungous Bank & Broker (HB&B) and that appears do-able in the next couple days. CNBC was reporting on Friday that Wells Fargo (WFC) is lining up its ducks with share sales that would raise a needed $25 billion.
Then it’s a simple matter of signing off on the Bull phase of this market:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7CclVneVpw
As for the regional and smaller banks that will be left holding the commercial property loans bag, HB&B will be around to pick up the pieces. They will also find a way to stick the U.S. taxpayer with the TARP-related bad debts of these smaller banks.
Have a good day.
CTA Trading Desk Report
From 3:20am ET until the 4:15pm close, the S&P futures traded in just a 6-point range, while the last 5 hours produced a stunningly narrow range of 3.75 points. So much for volatility during quadruple witching week.
The only noteworthy news items we noticed hitting the wires were Citigroup’s (C -6.33%) purported upcoming stock offering to repay TARP, and Exxon’s (XOM -4.31%) 15 billion dollar purchase of XTO Energy (XTO +15.35%. Traders bid up several natural gas companies after the announcement, including Apache (APA +4.09%), Chesapeake (CHK +5.82%), Devon (DVN +4.55%), and EOG Resources (EOG +5.04%).
Although gold popped higher today (GLD +1.01%), lately it has been careening lower, down almost -8% from its all-time high price reached just a few short weeks ago. We would guess the first trip down to the 50-day Moving Average (GLD 50d MA at 108.22, versus a close today of 109.21) or the 23.6% retracement level at 107.7 should be an area for a bounce to materialize.
Another reason to look for a low in GLD in that area is to compare this correction with other pullbacks occurring during the advance from the October 2008 lows. The largest correction in GLD started in February 2009 and measured 12.2 dollars; subtracting 12.2 dollars from the most recent peak of 119.54 projects 107.34 as an area of potential support. With three different reasons to look for a low in that tight cluster of prices, traders should drill down to a shorter time-frame chart (15 minute?) to find a suitable entry point.
Historically we are in a seasonally bullish period through the end of the year, so long-only money managers may be able to ride out the next several weeks without significant pain. If this current environment is anything like 2007, once the calendar turns the page, be prepared for weakness for the balance of January.
Levels to watch -- on the upside 1120, 1129, 1162, and the downside breaking 1095, 1080, and 1055 will usher in further weakness.
Have a great evening. In the morning I will complete my move and may be offline from about 9am ET.
Comments
Hahahah
Classic Bill!
Cara 100 Ratings Changes
Good morning.
BBY - PT Raised from $45 to $48 @ KeyBanc. Buy
CSCO - Upgraded to Outperform @ BMO. PT = $30
I'll drink to that Bill!!!!!!
If the bear is coming, which it is, the last 50% of the peoples pensions will be completely wiped out.
Primates need to watch and learn........
edit....By the way...C is down big in premarket with huge volume!
TBTF in Dubai
And there is the news out of the UAE:
Stocks Rise on Dubai Bailout as Nakheel Bonds Surge, Euro Gains
Should make for an interesting day of trading.
That YouTube clip is strangely familiar
:)
Abu Dhabi to the rescue!
Well, the ruler of Dubai still didn't reach in his own pocket, but Abu Dhabi has saved his bacon again (isn't this like the 3rd time this year?).
Crisis averted for the moment.
Next up: Will Germany bail out Greece?
Everywhere you look the strong are carrying the weak and dysfunctional...but for how much longer? It started with the US taxpayer bailing out Wall Street...
Maybe TBTF is really "nobody can fail anymore, because no creditor can afford any further losses". Right now, it seems we're all inter-connected...but in a really lousy way.
Cara 100 Update
XOM - Upgraded to Buy @ Societe Generale
PT Raised:
AMZN - from $120 to $150 @ Jefferies. Buy
GOOG - from $600 to $695 @ Jefferies. Buy
Re: Abu Dhabi to the rescue!
If the health care plan follows the financial "solution" I expect to see an open bar set up to "cure" alcoholics.
Sprott Gold Bullion Fund
This certainly looks interesting to me, but I know practically nothing about Canadian Mint oversight agencies.
Are they more trustworthy than the U.S.?
Will there be reliable audits?
Anyone see a downside here?
Peter Schiff debates David Epstein
Peter Schiff debates David Epstein of Columbia University -- Nov 11. http://bit.ly/4mSnsO
I fast fwd for you to the 20min marker where Peter begins his part. Hopefully he can bring some change. Incumbent Dodd in CT is already losing to republicans.
LIABILITY BUBBLE
ALOHA !!
All the news I read every day whether it is about Citibank or Dubai or the Euro just causes the LIABILITY BUBBLE to expand at ever higher and faster rates.
Roubini spoke to the US DOLLAR CARRY TRADE again last Friday.
I am convinced that this term "carry trade" be it YEN or USD is just another way to say GARGANTUAN AMOUNTS OF MONEY SLOSHING AROUND THE WORLD or "GAMSAW" for short!
I have to ask one thing about the YEN CARRY TRADE and the US DOLLAR CARRY TRADE. Can there be such huge carry trades without equally HUGE sums of DEBT being printed? Can a "carry trade" exist in a "real" depression?
Then the other half of the "carry trade" equation that is ALWAYS mentioned is the tons of "risky assets" that those trades end up in, yet I have never heard one of these "economists" define a "risky asset" and Roubini is no exception.
Global banks have been imploding due to huge amounts of debt on their books, which the US FED and other central banks have been buying in order to save those banks, but those "bad debts" have yet to be realized, instead they have merely been transferred from one risky laden entity to another. Like a hot potato that nobody wants at par, unless you are Bernanke with a printing press, clicking mouse money. Yet the risk has not gone because the asset still exists. The game plan seems to be to PRICE FIX all markets until pricing and demand returns so that these toxic assets can be offloaded for some sort of a profit.
I believe in less risk not more. I believe in less liabilities not more. As far as I know I have never seen gold or silver, the monetary metals, in bankruptcy court. I have seen Lehmans and I have seen Argentina default and many more banks and countries and some major US companies have BKed as well. In 1933 and again in 1971 the USD defaulted to gold, yet I have never seen a list of gold and silver "counterparties" and I have never seen a credit default swap against gold or silver. Given that Mr. Roubini what asset in the World is less risky than gold? Gold has no DEBT.
If anything these major US Banks that BKed prove DEBT=RISK! Isn't that the definition of "real money"? NO LIABILITIES ... NO RISK. If money has liabilities and risk then that means everything you have ever worked for your entire life is just one great big RISK DERIVATIVE! Money should be a "store of value" not a "store of risk".
Thinking about adding to my short portfolio
Put options on Blackrock. Several months out.
http://bit.ly/63s1G5
I am currently watching 10,20 EMA and 100 DMA.
JPM http://bit.ly/6De3nU
GS http://bit.ly/8T97BM
C http://bit.ly/5QsS9s
BAC http://bit.ly/7PZYZv
WFC http://bit.ly/7ldlPN
Disclosure: 90% of my portfolio is in cash.
Re: LIABILITY BUBBLE
Great post! We are now effectively hurling even faster off the cliff, whereas before we were sprinting. Now we are on a bullet train!
THE NEW DEAL
ALOHA !!
I am reading a book entitled THE NEW DEAL IN OLD ROME by HJ Haskell. What a great historical presentation on how government in the ancient World tried to deal with modern problems.
In my latest weekly REVENUE BREAKDOWN I use this quote from Mises.
“The issue is always the same: the government or the market. There is no third solution.” –Ludwig Von Mises, from his book PLANNED CHAOS (1947)
In THE NEW DEAL IN OLD ROME there is an example of this where GRACCHUS tried to prevent the citizens of Rome from revolting against the Senate by intervening in the "grain market" whereby the Roman State bought wheat and then sold it to starving Roman citizens for half the spot price. He called this "intervention" the "EVER NORMAL GRANARY", where prices never fluctuated no matter what demand and supply said. He was very popular for that and got re-elected, but after awhile the farmers could not compete with the Roman State and slowly quit producing as it became impossible to make a profit by selling their wheat at half price. At one point the "wheat lines" in Rome swelled to over 200,000 Romans standing in line. After Gracchus died Julius Caesar took power becoming a dictator and he ended the welfare and ordered every Roman to work. If they could not work or did not want to then they were banished to the outlying provinces far away from Rome. Suddenly the wheat lines vanished and everyone was working again and if you could not find a job you were given one in the military.
So there are historical solutions to government market intervention and joblessness after all!
Hey, Grym, You Make Me Laugh
If the health care plan follows the financial "solution" I expect to see an open bar set up to "cure" alcoholics.
Keep up the good work!
are we ready for a melt up?
My stops on GDX and SLV held on Friday (barely) after I plunged in and I see that PM are starting to slowly recover. If one looks at the Force index on daily charts on GLD, we just had the worst sell off in GLD in 3 years. Silver did not suffer that much but the gold:silver ratio is on a high side (65). I expect the gold:silver ratio to go down to 50-55 or even lower for a major PM top.
BTW, $USD daily RSI(7) exceeded 70, first time since the $ top in march 2009. Fade it or wait for a breakout? I chose to fade this time.
Why? What if the most recent employment numbers was a statistical fluke and we see spike down next month? That should contain dollar just like beginning of 2008?
Long GSI at $5.24
Volume is strong in this China steel player, which I think is undervalued, trading at about 6 times 2010 earnings estimates.
can't the president simply declare hb&b a national threat
and break them up?
Re: THE NEW DEAL
Kaimu -
Thanks for the rec on 'New Deal in Old Rome.' I just ordered it along with 'Planned Chaos' for some light fireside entertainment ;)
You may find Armstrong's diatribe from a prison cell on Roman coinage and its demise as enjoyable as I did here: http://tinyurl.com/yfezw8k
Cheers.
XOM
On sale TODAY! Mr. Market doesn't like its $31B acquisition of natural gas giant XTO. Load up like GS is no doubt doing. No reason to lop $13B off XOMs market cap with energy commodities set to soar.
Just check out that volume and review Bill's WIR #50 Value Line discussion of XOM from yesterday. Whew!
And when doing your own DD, which I highly recommend, don't forget to look at the PP&E on the balance sheet.
Disclosure: Own XOM and adding here
Re: are we ready for a melt up?
Well jack black so far you win the prize today. Melt up, at a glacial pace. Are there any buyers out there besides the computers that chase prices oh so slowly upwards? It doesn't seem like it.
Re: XOM
What's up, Doc ? ( sorry about that !! )... I still see the $ USD mark-up and have a target of $ 67.50 on XOM... No options, however... too iffy on closure this Friday... Concerned about China's continued growth potential..
Re: XOM
Dr. S, thanks for pointing out Bill's XOM review, missed it.
However, based on Bill Cara's discussion, I did not come away with a positive take base on his following statement.
Bill Cara said, "However, for XOM, I think if 71 is broken on the downside with a daily close this week, the Daily RSI-7 will start to fall along with the Monthly and Weekly, which would be very bearish."
Quick setup example/for scalpers' eyes only
This setup itself will be familiar to anyone who follows my posts with trade examples, so I drew a single line on it to show the trigger for long entry. What is different here vs. many trades I showed earlier - it's a typical scalp type I, done on big shares for a small movement. Original stop being just 6 cents, stock being very liquid, thick, moving slowly, allowing to enter and exit with big shares easily - this is a trade where you can take a lot of shares for a nice quick profit with fairly small risk.
Re: THE NEW DEAL - ancient Rome per HBO - gripping!
Grain troubles figured in HBO's EXCELLENT series entitled simply "Rome" which is now on Netflix. - and Cleopatra's supply of it to Rome, as well as her affairs with Caesar and Mark Anthony, etc. Some things don't change.
It's an incrediblly realistic portrayal of the rise of Julius Caesar, and fall of the republic. Plenty of blood & gore (globe was already warming? LOL)
Casting and acting is excellent, many saucy sexual scenes, but they're not the point. The point is you get a feel for life before Christ in the greatest empire of all times - it too was rotten to the core, endebted, and depended upon plunder from wars.
HBO spent so much money creating sets (recreating the entire Roman forum) costumes, scenes, that they had to shorten the series to 2 seasons. In some ways, this series is better than HBO's other great series, "the wire" because it takes you to an even more foreign world.
There are worse ways to spend cold winter nights.
They'll rip your lungs out, Jim......
treading carefully today... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19ajb_warren-zev...
Re: XOM
Telestar3d -
I believe you should factor in today's news with Bill's wisdom and then draw your conclusion.
Stay thirsty, my friend.
Re: can't the president simply declare hb&b a national threat
Pres should have simply taken over the banks last Fall, and pledged to break them up, fix them, and sell them back to the market before the end of his first term.
I know, that was WAY too much to ask of a Pres who didn't know or care about economics, and had (stupidly) turned his economic transition team over to Rubin and Co. (per tabibi).
Obama thought he could concentrate on green and social issues. BUT, the banks, markets, and economy are likely to be his undoing. Because, if markets ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. And there are no bux to do the other stuff.
Romney was on CNBC yesterday, licking his chops, talking all simplistic republican rhetoric, and being flagged in the crawler as the "founder of bain capital".
Maybe he ousts Obama in 2012, and screws things up the Republican way ! Go, GOLD, go ...
Re: can't the president simply declare hb&b a national threat
being from Massachusetts I can tell you, he's no Republican
Re: They'll rip your lungs out, Jim......
thanx baz22 -
thanx for that uplifting tune. I had forgotten how well it has stood the test of time. Warren Zevon, RIP !!!
Re: XOM
No question the news has affected the price action of which it may not have occurred with out it. Personally, I think if you are long term you will do just find purchasing here and now.
Shorter term, it just depends on what pressure the arbitrager's create on the stock.
Any thoughts on selling Jan 2010 65 puts?
Re: They'll rip your lungs out, Jim......
Yowsa !
Re: can't the president simply declare hb&b a national threat
NYUGrad,
They are one of his greatest assets and no meaningful action will be taken which is not to their and Obama's mutual advantage.
IMO his calling them "fat cats" was classic Obama playing to us yokels. After the much touted "getting tough with the banks confrontation" this AM the bank guys pledged their cooperation and agreed they have more work to do, blah, blah...
The banks are big contributors and they have probably all toasted their media performances by now.
All is for show.
Obama post Wall St meeting
http://bit.ly/6KlkjJ
Makes me sick. sick all the way through to my bones.
rumors about food shortage in 2010
due to bad crops this year. Can someone who researches agro markets substantiate this. I noticed that COW has bullish technicals as of now.
Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
and what is little left of a student loan?
I am 100% tired of this facade they call America. If i get myself into an rental first, then stop paying my primary home mortgage + my rental prop mortgage, I can then save my job income and my rental income for the pending implosion of the current "Liability bubble".
If my primary residence and rental prop, will crash in the next two yrs anyway, why not get ahead of the banks.
My credit nor savings account, will follow me into the afterlife. Why am i being a model citizen when my leaders are pillaging the country?
Re: Obama post Wall St meeting (CEO's never went) held via phone
http://bit.ly/5HXgTS
"Wall St. Bankers Snub Obama, Duck D.C. Sit-Down Because of 'Inclement Weather'"
I am pretty sure nothing is going to change for the better until we citizens make it so.
If I had a meeting with the President tomorrow, I would likely be there today to make sure I am not late. I am sure these weasel CEOs could have setup business meetings for yesterday in DC, so they can spend quality time with Obama today.
FYI - Acela Amtrak gets from NY to DC very quickly! 2 hours flat!
http://bit.ly/8hxFeu
EDIT: These three CEOs didnt go. Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein, Citigroup chairman Dick Parsons, and Morgan Stanley CEO John Mack
Re: Quick setup example/for scalpers' eyes only
THanks Vad,
Where was the exit? At..22. Or did you hold it until .40 ish.
Bob
Re: Quick setup example/for scalpers' eyes only
1:2, above .25. This type of scalps is done on big shares, no holding for too long
Re: Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
FWIW I believe it's absolutely not Un American to stop paying your mortgage. The only thing you must consider is what is written within the four corners of the contract you signed with the bank. Presumably there is a consequence in your contract for your non payment, and if you find that consequence to be something you can live with, and the finances work out for you, then I think the decision is not a difficult one to make.
I read a news item relatively recently where CALPERS stopped paying on the mortgage on some large building in downtown SF. Did anyone suggest they were Un American for this action? Certainly not - it was strictly a business decision. They were protecting their retirees from ongoing losses.
You too have a responsibility to your own shareholders: i.e. your family. Corporations routinely take actions to protect their shareholders. I would encourage you to protect your shareholders as well.
It is entirely possible it will take some time for the bank to foreclose. You might consider living in your house for a while longer prior to renting. You could think of this period as you providing a service to the bank - maintaining the property prior to your handing the bank the keys.
Re: Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
thx for the response. I am going to have a shareholder meeting soon.
Re: Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
IMO - weigh it as strictly business decision as Dave said. Evaluate the consequences and see how much they matter for you. Whatever you do - do NOT do it in spite. Exclude emotions out of your decision-making process. Anger is not a good advisor for this kind of things - it's your life alternatives you are pondering. Clear your head and be a calculator.
data out tomorrow
Tomorrow we have:
ICSC Same Store Sales
Redbook (more Retail Sales)
Empire State Mfg Survey
Housing Market Index
Industrial Production
Almost all of this data comes out before market open.
Re: Obama post Wall St meeting (CEO's never went) held via phone
"These three CEOs didnt go. Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein, Citigroup chairman Dick Parsons, and Morgan Stanley CEO John Mack"
I don't know about the others, but I'm sure God had other important things for Lloyd to do — like visiting the sick and comforting those recently bankrupt.
FEED
I bought back some FEED this morning at $4.59 to average down the shares I bought at $5.01 a couple of weeks ago. I still believe this is undervalued. China hog prices have been skyrocketing lately, breaking out to yearly highs, which translates into higher revenues and earnings for FEED. The pullback recently was on light volume and I think it will have another run when volume starts coming back in. it closed today right around it's 200 DMA.
seems Taibbi can write a story illustrating systemic rot
In the following link - written in 1999 - Taibbi illustrates the apathetic nature of western media towards the pending implosion of Russia's economy, financial and monetary system even as they were applauding what they coined a recovery just before collapse occurred. The parallels with the media spin of present economic woes in the US can be made.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/19991004/taibbli
thanks to Jesse's for pointing this out:
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2009/12/p...
seems Taibbi needed a villain for his story, one editor named Liesman.
Re: Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
"It is entirely possible it will take some time for the bank to foreclose. You might consider living in your house for a while longer prior to renting."
Can't recall her name, but a congresswoman from Ohio, I believe, was on the House floor, "If the bank wants to foreclose make them present the actual document you signed. Until they can do that do NOT leave your house."
My neighbor's cousin stopped paying her mortgage last Feb and as of August all that she had was a letter in July saying the bank had noticed she was not paying. My neighbor moved away last month and there was still no action taken. Banks don't want the responsibility for another vacant house, especially in winter.
Best wishes.
Re: Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
Trust, I will obtain legal council before i do anything.
in 2008 I began to know more & more people who were unemployed. this yr I know more and more friends of friends who are blatant squatters. Folks who have not paid a mortgage bill for 20+ months without eviction! $2000 x 20 = $40,000 saved.
So here i am. Paying all my fees, taxes, bills etc. Working. cooperating. Yet people all around me acting irresponsibly. Am I the idiot? While the bankers and squatters build their cash reserves for impending doom?
Will my tenant become my landlord in 2010?
Re: Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
NYUGrad, The 'price' of foreclosure is 10 years damage on your credit report. And some employers --especially in the legal and financial services industries--will ask to review your credit to verify no such marks against you exist. Calculate that first.
I'd say mortgage default is a very American trend as many smart folks have added up the joys of home ownership and compared with a very nice rental home in the best neighborhoods (compliments of the foreclosures on that bank's books) with a chance to buy sometime in the future should they like. Strategic defaults like this have given many people their lives back.
The best way to handle a strategic default is to move into a nice comfortable rental and put your home on the market as a short sale...that assumes you owe more than the home is worth today. Your bank will then agree to sell, all going according to plan, to someone who wants a screaming deal. You realistically need to be in default for 90 days before your lender will they sit up and take notice...ie accept a lower offer.*
BTW: Loan modifications are ONLY really designed for home owners (some lenders will consider investors) so if you intend to negotiate with your bank for a lower interest and payment don't move out. You could start lowering your payment to what you can afford while you are in the loan modification process -- but don't quote me on that. My blog on loan mods: http://www.equitytalks.blogspot.com
BTW Example: Saxon Mortgage received $886M TARP funds to modify their bad loans. They have completed 42 to date. At a cost of over $20M per. Follow the money!
*EDIT: Short sale realtors are specialists...be sure you have found a realtor to list your property who has a track record as they will have to negotiate with your bank(s) to accept less and prove this is a win win. They also need to negotiate how the sale is recorded for minimum impact to your credit. State laws vary so DYDD.
NFIB & DEBT
ALOHA !!
ON THE NFIB
The NFIB is a lobby organization for small businesses to fight against Bills impending in Congress that would negatively impact on small businesses in America.
Today I fielded a phone call from the NFIB, which I am a member, regarding their SAFE TRUST. The SAFE TRUST is there to lobby against healthcare and the cap and trade. NFIB dues are not allowed to be used legally to fund SAFE TRUST so the lady was asking me for a contribution to help fight Congress.
What I told her stunned her! I said NO! I said I want those Bills to pass and go into law as soon as possible, because I want the EMPIRE OF DEBT that is America to collapse as fast as it can. I want to see the TWO PARTY POLITICAL MONOPOLY fail and I want to see the MONEY MONOPOLY fail very rapidly without delay. I want to see the US FED have Bernanke back at the helm as I feel Bernanke is the perfect man for the job ... He has done an outstanding job of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as he and his member banks are the first Captains of the ship, USS Banking Industry to ever abandon ship before women and children.
The faster the current US government defaults the better ... so lets go! FULL STEAM AHEAD! Get it over with!
Now add this to your outlook but NOTE the "asterisk"!!!
FINALLY ... FINALLY ... someone mentions the BIGGEST DEBT of all sitting right in our laps. It has nothing to do with CHINA. In fact it dwarfs what we owe to CHINA, making those Communists look like petty beggars.
America’s debt burden starts to shrink*
Dec 14, 2009 14:01 EST
Last week, when I published data showing that U.S. households were beginning to reduce their debt burden, I commented that the government is more than offsetting this with increased federal and state borrowing. I was wrong.
The Flow of Funds report often revises historical data. The latest revisions show a slightly improving picture.*
HERE IS THE ASTERISK PART ...
*But this data comes with a BIG asterisk. Government debt as counted in the flow of funds report only counts “publicly-held” Treasury debt, which currently stands at $7.7 trillion.
The figure does NOT include money the government owes itself (i.e. the social security “trust fund”), nor does it include unfunded obligations for Medicare. Our total unfunded obligations equal a whopping $63 trillion as of 2009, up another $5 trillion since just last year.
The bottom line is that we still have a massive — and growing — debt problem. But at least consumers are starting to make a dent in it.END
LINK: http://tinyurl.com/ydbaj3p
The "Flow of Funds" is about as useless as the CPI and unemployment rate when it comes to the BIG PICTURE.
Perhaps the "households" have no choice but to reduce debt because we do not have a printing press. Our government does though and they are PRICE FIXING 25/8 to make sure nobody notices.
The "dent" he speaks of is hardly that. This week the total US DEBT including EVERYTHING, not just the measly "flow of funds" $7.7TRIL part, but EVERYTHING will run past the $11TRIL USD mark. Now if I add in actual "outlays" then that number will jump up another $1TRIL USD. I don't know, since I do not follow how much the total US consumer debt is, but I think you would not be surprised to see that it is not being reduced at better than a $5TRIL per month rate, which is the approximate rate the US Treasury is creating debt.
Did anyone here read MISH'S ULTIMATUUM to the US FED? He and Steven Keen have given notice to the US FED today that they will have an alternative to the US FED in place within five years. They will both receive their Medals Of Honor posthumously ... Hummmm ...
ON THE SIDE
Today about an hour ago I was on the phone with the business partner of Peter Euberroth, the ex-baseball commissioner and President of the US Olympic Committee and part owner of Pebble Beach, with his partners Arnold Palmer and Clint Eastwood. We will be sending Mr. Euberroth a large tropical Christmas bouquet at his home in Southern California next week. I never know who I will be talking to when I pick up the phone. Sports wise we also send flowers for the Denver Broncos and the New Orleans Saints.
I could have sworn we were in a recession but we are now SOLD OUT for Christmas!
Re: Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
Eat or be eaten NYG!
First stop paying your taxes......they're illegal anyway!
Go down to your nearest Best Buy and pick up the current year turbo tax 2010, then give Timmy Geithner a call and see if he will help you cheat the tax system legally.
Cheat...Lie....Steal....and coveth thy neighbors wife....it's the American way.......ha
Bill called it, WFC raises 10b to pay back tarp
Didn't take more than 1 trading session.
Last one out the door shut the lights.
http://bit.ly/7fSWPK
Re: Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
loannetter, NYUGrad
My son moved into a 1bdrm condo with his girlfriend a little over a year and a half ago. She owned (mortgaged) the condo and bought it in 2006. They moved in together to save money to get married. Any, my grandson came along and they quickly realized a 1bdrm condo, about 700 sq ft was not going to cut it with a new baby so they put it on the market and found out they were underwater on it. They were going to just eat the loss at first when they initially put it on the market. But they have dropped the price and still no takers and a new real estate agent suggested trying a short sale. They got approved and lowered the price again. Still no takers and they need to get out and into a bigger place. After reading the article about people in CA just walking away and renting I'm thinking of suggesting that to them. They are supposed to get married in Nov. 2010 and if she defaults on the loan it will only go on her credit report and my son checked and he can qualify for a mortgage on his own that will get them into a small 3bdrm house. I'm in the camp with NYUGrad and told them that normally it was the morally wrong thing to do. But-there aren't many morals in Washington or the big banking system. I told them to do what they need to do. Stop paying the mortgage and put the money aside for the down payment. Not a nice society we are in now!
Re: Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
"First stop paying your taxes......there illegal anyway!"
Not a good idea. Peter Schiff's father is, I believe, currently in lockup for doing exactly that.
Being right can be very costly and they have all our money behind THEM.
Re: rumors about food shortage in 2010
I know next to zip about commodities (except that prices of food priced in funny money USD have done nothing but trend up over just about any time frame) but wouldn't rising grain prices etc be a negative for livestock (e.g. COW)?
KC
Re: Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
Hi BigMo - What a delimma to teach the kids the value of savings and responsibilty etc. and then be faced with the excesses brought to us by the likes of Barney Frank et.al. Not sure I would tell them to walk in contradiction to all we/you have taught them over the years if at all possible to step up for them.... Who knows with the inherent inflation we have brought on ourselves, due to electing leftist leaders over the years, then perhaps inflation in due course will catch up to the condo's liabilties and they can rent it in the interim - as we continue in this country to spend and spend. What a mess.. Happy Trading
Re: Quick setup example/for scalpers' eyes only
Good confirming volume right where it began its move out of that consolidation range. Nice example, Vad.
Re: Is it Un-American to stop paying my mortgage?
After seeing here and elsewhere anecdotal evidence of the increasing default/walk-aways in mortgages one cannot help but link the current binge of money-raising by HB&B to the need for liquidity to buy time and appear to be dealing with the crisis as it spreads. Despite Barak's weak threats to hold them to account, I don't see HB&B opening up the loans gate anytime soon. Best to avoid all financials and focus on serious capital preservation. This situation is YEARS away from resolution. By that time HB&B as we now know them will be focusing their business on BRIC middle income earners and it will be a new breed of regional bankers that will rise to supplant them in the domestic economy.
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Bigmother,
Have your son and his Fiance looked at renting the condo just to cover payments for a couple of years and ride out their devaluation? Once they are married both spouses will be credit checked even if not qualifying on a mortgage to rule out risk. There is no free lunch.The underwriting systems are not going to look the other way on a foreclosure for ten years. Everything from your car insurance to your credit card rates will be impacted. I will mention my parents managed in a 1 bedroom married student apt when my dad went back to grad school with 4 kids. No pressure to buy X-boxes then of course. Our favorite toys were forts made from a refrigerator box.
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Refrigerator boxes??? LUXURY! When I was a wee one, we dug forts in the ground in a nearby field and covered them with clapboard pilfered from a decrepid barn and covered it with sod. We then sawed-off hockey sticks and with rusty nails fashioned handles to arm ourselves with burp-guns to repel the German invaders. :)
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Sod covered foxholes? Bloody LUXURY! Guessing you learned how to dig. I'm pretty handy with a boxknife. What are today's kids developing...wrists?
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Nice blog LL. Elizabeth Warren is an interesting character in this drama. "I love capitalism! Lay out the rules of engagement and let them go crazy and we all get wealthy." Hardly what you'd imagine her saying after seeing her slice-and-dice Geithner in front of her committee hearings.
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2009/12/10/HP/A/...
Idiot me...
Rode the first one....
Missed the 2nd....
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Thanks Mackinaw, actually I got that E Warren link from NYUGrad (if I recall correctly) right here. She makes crucial points in her sweater mom sort of way. Harriet of Ozzie &?
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Luggie said: "with the inherent inflation we have brought on ourselves, due to electing leftist leaders over the years"
Lets see, leftist leaders such as Richard Nixon (who took us off the gold standard in 1971) and Bush II whose treasury secretary proposed and got the 700 billion dollar socialist bailout of the banking system? Those leftists?
I think you're still trapped in the big thought-prison of "leftist" vs "right thinking americans" that sells airtime on Fox. Its a nice place to be, it makes you feel so good and validated and - so right-thinking, but the view you have from that place only allows you to see a small amount of truth. You definitely have a lot of company in this thought-prison though; most of America is in there with you - or in the one across the road holding all the "leftists" watching MSNBC for their guidance.
Ever seen a Small Government Republican? A balanced-budget Republican? I mean, one who actually VOTES for those things, rather than just talks about them. Oh that's right, you have. Ron Paul. They call him a wingnut.
One last point. Wars are the single most inflationary thing you can do to an economy - and that comes from the money-printing required to fund those wars. You print money, spend it to make bombs, and then drop the bombs and they're gone. It's like blowing up money - except the stuff the money bought is gone, but the cash floating around the system still remains, eating away at the savings of every American.
And wars have cut across party lines: leftists, and righties have in an equal opportunity manner gone to war time and again in our history, printing money to pay for it. Johnson + Nixon = Vietnam. Bush + OBama = Afghanistan + Iraq.
But you won't see this movie playing on any of the major networks. Otherwise you might be tempted to escape from your thought prison and that's dangerous to the status quo.
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If son and fiance are both employed, the best advice may be to avoid "marriage" altogether. They will save thousands of dollars a year in taxes due to the marriage penalty. They will also save thousands on a big party, overpriced flowers, cakes, band/DJs, etc. Hate to be cynical, but it is the truth- and they will keep the government (and lawyers) out of their relationship...
KC
Too much negative sentimet
showing in my sentiment indicators in the last couple of days. There is a significant measurable increase in Rydex short activity.
Except for Dollar that shows a dramatic spike in bullishness.
My take (contrarian): upcoming spike up in equities and PM and spike down or consolidation in U$D. This could be short lived of course but possibly intense.
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"If my primary residence and rental prop, will crash in the next two yrs anyway, why not get ahead of the banks."
NYUGrad, are you sure your basic premise is correct?
I understand your frustration, just making sure you have really thought it thru.
Watch your agro ETF's
It's been said before but nonetheless:
Dec. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Falling production in commodities from rice to milk is bad news for just about everyone except investors.
Rice may surge 63 percent to $1,038 a metric ton from $638 on Philippine imports and a shortage in India, a Bloomberg survey of importers, exporters and analysts showed. The U.S. government says nonfat dry milk may jump 39 percent next year, and JPMorgan Chase & Co. forecasts a 25 percent gain for sugar. Global food costs jumped 7 percent in November, the most since February 2008, four months before reaching a record, according to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&si...
This, in a period where Fleckenstein suggests that while the market may not flop as a whole, but:
"Maybe the market will get "rangy" and see a sorting-out process. By that I mean some stocks could trade higher, others lower, and they wouldn't trade so much in lockstep, as they have for much of the year since March."
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Con...
Not hard to imagine where commodity ETF's would be in such a market.
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BigMo, I agree w/Luggie, "What a delimma to teach the kids the value of savings and responsibilty etc. and then be faced with the excesses brought to us by the likes of Barney Frank et.al. Not sure I would tell them to walk in contradiction to all we/you have taught them over the years if at all possible..."
At least consider that the biggest cost for them could come later in life (when the stakes are even higher) if they learn now how to only take the easiest shortcuts offered in life. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to live in a one-bedroom apartment with a baby. They may have friends that they envy who have acquired bigger homes by comparison. But tell them to consider comparing their living environment to that in devoloping/undevoloped countries. I know from experience, that a bigger house with extra rooms won't get you any more relief from that crying baby anyway!:) They're young, so I'd say give them a chance to learn to work hard, save, and love each other. If the condos are becoming unsafe for them, then I'd say you have a much different scenario. Your love, encouragement, and involvement with their family will help them work this out. Above all, don't forget to celebrate all the blessings and joys of being their dad and now "Grandpa" too! Congratulations.
MHFT saying it like it is.
1)Feed the ducks when they’re quacking. That’s the refrain I heard endlessly on the trading floor at my alma mater, Morgan Stanley. If the clients want something, give it to them in spades, whether it makes any sense or not. So the sky must be darkened with uncountable flocks of our flying friends when I see two of the biggest equity issues in history in the same week, $25 billion for Bank of America (BAC) and $20 billion for Citigroup (C).
Besides diluting the daylights out of the existing shareholders, the great problem I have with these issues is the terrible fundamentals that still bedevil the industry. You know these guys are engaging in blatant window dressing to get this paper out the door, extending and pretending until their noses grow to Uzbekistan. Their willing co-conspirator is the Federal Reserve’s Ben Bernanke, who used the almighty weapon of zero interest rates to engineer one of the greatest stock rallies in history to get bank shares off the floor.
Revenue quality is terrible, earnings visibility is nonexistent, home foreclosures are still accelerating, and commercial defaults may not crest for another three years. You know whatever capital they are raising now will be consumed by write offs next year, and more capital raisings will have to follow. Napoleon’s 1812 retreat from Moscow comes to mind. If someone is pointing a gun at your head forcing you to buy bank shares on pain of death, only look at the small ones, like Hudson City Savings (HCBK), Westamerica (WABC), and Bank of Hawaii (BOH).
http://blog.madhedgefundtrader.com/
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"Having been robbed, the Germans became a nation of robbers. ..."
Thomas Mann
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Where is that quote from?
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The Making of the Second World War - Google Books Result
by Anthony P. Adamthwaite - 1989 - History - 240 pages
'Having been robbed, the Germans became a nation of robbers,' wrote Thomas Mann.12 French weaknesses would have mattered less if Britain had been a strong ...
books.google.bs/books?isbn=0415907160...
For some reason, this quote seems to be all over the Web recently. Can somebody explain why?
Things are coming to a head, Lines, and Triangles and Bens, oh m
Things are coming to a head, Lines, and Triangles and Bens, oh my!!!!
http://screencast.com/t/ZTFkNzJkZ
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ouch! the context of that "soundbite" is rather ominous. I for one would be grateful not to hear of it again. Self-fulfilling manifest destiny anyone?
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Loannetter-
I appreciate your advice and normally I would say because others are doing the wrong thing doesn't mean you should also. But my son's fiance has faithfully paid the mortgage on the property and bought it with 10% down. Now this 1bdrm unit is really small. When they first decided to sell because they needed more space they were willing to eat the loss and come up with the extra cash by taking money out of their 401k and IRA plans. Up to now they have faithfully paid the mortgage on time. However now the market has dropped so much they don't have anywhere near the amount to cover the loss let alone a deposit for the new place. After reading the article about people in CA walking away from property so they can pay for the beamer or take the family on a cruise-I said this is not right. They need to do what is right for their family. Stop paying the mortgage and put the money aside. Find a new place before they get married and my son will buy and finance in his name. Let the government-oops, meant the banks figure out what to do with their old condo. They know she will take a hit on her credit rating but if it eventually went through a short sale she will take almost the same hit. When I played sports there is a term "payback". Maybe this is governments payback for distorting the market.
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boughtmypoints - "Having been robbed, the Germans became a nation of robbers. ..."
I am constantly amazed at the double standard in this country. What's ok for business is somehow immoral when the exact same thing is performed by an individual. Indeed, such behavior in business is not only normal, it is EXPECTED BEHAVIOR from companies, and yet homeowners are somehow morally required to take actions that are so clearly against the financial interests of themselves and their families?
This is just business. It's business when the bank takes your house - and it's also business when you give it back to them. Nothing more, nothing less.
How can you tell its business? Both sides signed a contract, fair value was exchanged, and a meeting of the minds was reached. Indeed, if one side was said to have an advantage, it is the bank - the party that drafted the contract. They have armies of lawyers, lobbyists, analysts crunching numbers on how to get the most money from your pocket. You are one man against an army. And yet, you both have rights spelled out in the contract.
The bank is EXPECTED to act on its rights in its own self interest - and I dare say, banks these days have pushed that self interest well past the breaking point. Yet for some reason, it's immoral for you to exercise your rights when its to your advantage to do so?
Who wrote that story line anyway? A banker?
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While I like a lot of what E. Warren has to say she has no power. David Walker warned for his whole time as US Comptroller General (1998-2008) and no one listened.
Warren was tougher earlier in her charge that Paulson lied about where the money went and never explained missing $ billions. We can now assume that went to the bank stock purchase slush fund.
I want more than a scapegoat — I want congressional reform. We are tougher on a Private who falls asleep guarding a PX than these guys who are supposed to guard our entire economic system.
There are many people we can name who participated in a multi-decade scam to rob us and future generations. They have not been punished, they've been retained and even rewarded for "saving" the world economy!
People have lost their life savings, their houses, their children's inheritance, their hope and our nation is losing centuries of traditional our freedoms.
She says we averted a depression. Well, I see a lot of severely depressed people around here.
And I see no justice anywhere anymore. I hope the tea parties continue to build in their anger and demands for justice
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Bigmother,
I understand these are vexing emotional, ethical and business decisions and a real opportunity for your young couple to consider how they will conduct themselves going forward. You didn't mention their current loan terms or if part of their pain at getting stuck relates to their potential loss of equity (assuming it does) or timing of their plans (assuming it does).
Regardless of their final decision to default or not, I strongly recommend they speak to a specialist bankruptcy attorney for a sobering view of options and potential repurcussions. We have seen underwater homes homes saved by combined tactics
I agree with davefairtex that a homeowner should freely avail themselves of all legitimate options including the use of a calculator andspread sheet of 'what if' scenarios.
All the best to your son and his family.