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Cara's Commentary & Community Chat, Fri., Feb. 6, 2009

[7:27am ET] The Bernard Madoff scandal, not the current state of macro-economics, has brought America and the world to a crossroads. The question is simple: do we take the ethical high road or do we stay the present course? I ask you to read this document from beginning to end and ask yourself if we really have any option:
http://www.deepcapture.com/bernard-madoff-the-mafia-and-the-friends-of-m...

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http://news.ino.com/headlines

http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=689662766980

President Obama has named an external network of advisers to help fix the economy. Why is it I'm underwhelmed?

RE: We took everyone down

No we didn't. England, France, Germany, all have their own house-value fiasco simultaneous to us. We didn't tell the bank of England to bankrupt itself, and they certainly didn't do so on our behalf. The Chinese went on an industrial boom which mirored our deepening morass, in fact it's arguable that the Chinese helped bring us down. They sold us poison crap and bought our fugazy debt in a backwards attempt to take over America economically. And it worked, but they're left holding the bag. The whole world went mad, not just us.

As for your assertion that gold isn't going anywhere, well, that sounds implausible. It could go down, it could go up, but it will go somewhere. Also, to predict oil to be between 30 and 60 for the next 12 months is, in the discipline of a statistically minded economist-type, not exactly going out on a limb. But hey. What can I say?

Gold will "eventually" (could be next week) rise a lot because either the stimulus will work or it won't. Either way, in reality, long term, the dollar is toast. BTW I'd be willing to bet oil is above 60 in 12 months.

For the past 50 years, American politicians have been busting out the United States like Tony Soprano did to that sporting goods store.

George Bush = Original "G"...

Are We a Nation of Liars anf Cheaters

As I listened to the radio on the way to work yesterday they were discussing the Barry Bonds case and steroids. It struck me how much cheating and lying has been in the news lately. We have the Madoff scandal, the endless line of politicians who have cheated on their taxes that are popping up every day and our nation’s pastime’s greatest record tarnished because of lying and cheating. It’s as if the only way many of these people rose to the status they have was through corruption. Sure there will always be people who choose wrong over right; it just seems so prevalent right now. And a big part of it is what the media chooses to show and to ignore.

I can’t help but think that the bankers, CEO’s, CFO’s, Greenspan, Congress……the list goes forever, must have overdosed on Oliver Stone’s “Wall Street” and truly felt that greed is good. As we approach President’s Day in our country and celebrate the accomplishments of two great men in our history, I wonder if there are any leaders like that left. We certainly have not seen that from the men and women in our Congress. I hope that President Obama can fulfill the high expectations that were laid out for him. Someone posted on the blog that “Our best thinking got us here”, I think that underscores the lack of leadership we have at almost every level of big business and government.

DRYS

sticking in a buy limit order at 4.58 (close - 10 day ATR).

If no execution by 10:30/11 am est, I'll pull the order.

Re: http://news.ino.com/headlines

>President Obama has named an external network of advisers to help fix the economy. Why is it I'm underwhelmed?

The Economist commentary mentions two different teams being assembled by Obama. This link you gave us Bill I assume refers to the outside team. The other being the team he chose in the White House. The Economist's man was concerned that these two teams are going to tear each other up, unless Obama has a very firm leash and is prepared to take decisive action, sooner rather than later....

Is the new administration looking more like the last administration, or is it just me?

Cara 100 Ratings Changes

COST - Upgraded to Buy @ UBS. Price Target = $52

DELL - RBC Initiates Coverage with a Sector Perform.

KSS - Price Target Raised from $28.50 to $38 @ Jefferies & Co.

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Price Targets Lowered:

ATVI - from $20 to $15 @ Argus
COST - from $50.50 t0 $42 @ Jefferies & Co.
GE - from $13 to $9 @ JP Morgan
TGT - from $32 to $31 @ Jefferies & Co.

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More as they happen here on CaraVision. ;^)

Have a great weekend, everyone.

Examples from the top

The fish rots from the head first.

When you have the head of crooks in charge of the big house and his second in command is running covert ops from the VP office....and neither live by ANY laws, what do we expect?

Of course there is corruption.

You guys don't have the slightest how much they have ripped off.....we don't have accountants and the "other side" on the job long enough.

And then we have to keep our eyes on them....

Re the Deepcature article

Wow. And no, no option.

calls, puts

looking for bull plays today on YRI, NAK, GOLD, AEM
and bear plays on XTXI, LZR.

Re: http://news.ino.com/headlines

Sh&%, talk about Alice falling down the rabbit hole.

How deep does it go?

Hope this guy lives to publish a more readable book version of his story.

UNG

Proudpapa & Barry RE: your posts from Thursday BC chat. The arguments are well made. I especially liked the EIA NG consumption table 2001-2008. It does appear NG Y/Y consumption is relatively stable (Jan/Feb 2006 being an exception). For me then, it's a question of how credible are the numbers and reports of NG supply vs demand.
Thank you for your posts and charts.

Jobs

Non-Farm payrolls -598,000

Bill's Book

Bill, getting through your book there. Much less daunting than Graham's "security analysis" and am able to progress quickly.

Keeping tabs on the Dow 30 - great idea. I've printed out Value Line's reports on the lot of 'em for the great macro commentary and analysis included.

You mention in your book following one or two of the analysts in the industry. Would you be willing to point out some names and websites so we can follow them?

Re: http://news.ino.com/headlines

You can add me to that "is it just me?"

I never believed anything either canididate said during their campaigns... in the end they both have people to "thank." I always thought both would end upmore alike than different once their administrations started to roll.

Say what you need to get the win and then figure out the rest as you go.

Cara 100 Update

GE - Bernstein Initiates Coverage with a Market Perform.

Re: http://news.ino.com/headlines

Hi Bill

RE: "external network of advisers to help fix the economy"

Of all the free advice crowding the air waves for Obama, I like what I heard this AM from Romney. I bet he would help.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1023889201&p...

Which ones are going up?

Which stocks are going up today? BAC? Lemme know.

Re: DRYS

A question. Not to be argumentative, but I AM running out of weed. Poor Michael Phelps. I am planning to boycott Kellogs, but anyway...

Why on earth would you consider an order such as this? What's the desire to own this stock should it plummett $1.75 today? And if it did, would yu want an automatic order or wouldn't you prefer to manually purchase when the timing seems right. I realize I'm half a retard, just lemme know the fun I'm missing out on.

WY

Weyerhaeuser's 4Q loss exceeds $1 billion. Weyerhaeuser Co. lost $1.21 billion, or $5.73 per share, compared with a loss of $63 million, or 30 cents per share, in the year-earlier period.

Analysts polled by Thomson Reuters expected a loss of 57 cents per share on sales of $1.85 billion.

Now we wait...

Re: Are We a Nation of Liars anf Cheaters

Yeah. Most of the people who saw Oliver Stone's Wall Street got the wrong message. It's odd 'cause it was a fairly straightforward cautionary tale but people are perverse. They came out of that movie wanting to be Charlie Sheen, if they were under 30, or Gordon Gekko if over 30. I myself was under 20 but still wanted to be Gekko. Call me precocious.

http://news.ino.com/headlines

swissrobinson ,

No, it's not just you. I want to give him a bit more time, but...

Obama is just being what I believe he has always been — an intelligent, savvy politician who is capable of identifying the issues which concern us the most. He then goes on to propose, in very general terms, what needs to be done and promises to do it.

He has little or no experience in making things actually happen. Congress will not be motivated by rhetoric — save that for the masses. The bunch on the hill know all the ways to finesse a bill to their advantage — and just how to prevent passing what most people would consider a sensible, direct solution.

"What's in it for me?" is the approach Obama must deal with.

IMO he should have presented a simple, fast emergency stimulus plan for immediate consideration instead of trusting the Congress to do it. Stick to the basics: job preservation/creation, mortgage, income and health insurance relief — all on a temporary basis.

Leadership is not a matter of asking, "Who has some ideas on how to knock out that machine gun?"

Instead he has allowed it to deteriorate into an attempt to brow beat 435 individuals, each of whom has "a better idea", into designing a monster solution which will never go away...and do it now.

Wall street bailout cartoon

Wall Street Executive Air - sorry if already posted

http://www.markfiore.com/wall_street_executive_air_0

Re: http://news.ino.com/headlines

Agreed. In addition, and here's the real catch-22, all attempts to slow the decline in housing values will stultify the housing market and hobble it going forward. Generations X, Y and Z are NOT going to be bailing the Baby Boomers out of their housing indescretions even if Obama is planning for them to. Any attempt to stop foreclosures will delay and forestall the necessary destruction of price that will facilitate the next wave of buying. Besides, with what job will these potential buyers pay for these overprices homes?

"Welcome to Wal-Mart!"

An Oscar for "The Stimulus"

Does anyone remember the Andy Hardy movies from the 1930s with Mickey Roonie and Judy Garland? Without realizing it (or perhaps it was the same then) they were taking the Washington D.C. approach to the problem of the day...

"Let's put on a show!"

FAS/BAC/C/GS- all of yesterday's buys off pre-market

vinod- I was as high as 250% of allocation yesterday, now back to 80%...however, I think the next move will 'stick'-> instead of selling the rallies, looking at buying the dips...

Cara 100 Update

More on the COST Upgrade:

Upgraded at UBS to Buy from Neutral based on valuation and best in class business model. Believe margin headwinds (currencies, markdowns, fuel prices) are coming to an end, and note that membership renewal is better than ever. Price target lowered to $52 from $57.

stupid

When the market is foolish it is folly to be wise

gold/oil pre-market thoughts

ugh, when can crude oil mount a rally, seems like it wants to move back towards the mid-30's before something can happen. i wonder if too many people believe we've seen the bottom in crude simply because we assume supply/demand fundamentals will cause a decrease in production, which would lead to higher prices...

suppressing the oil price benefits americans the most, and hurts many of american's traditional foes: russia, iran, venezuela. it is no coincidence that any economic stimulus would be all the more effective alongside the massive tax-like cut that is lower oil/gas prices. its almost toooo coincidental.

if you are a regional producer of crude oil, relying on it for the majority of your state's income as many OPEC/non-OPEC nations are, you would pump more oil in the case of falling prices to make up for lost revenues. it worsens the actual situation but empires, nations, communities and individual's have a habit of sacraficing the later for the now. i suspect falling oil prices beget more drops in prices as more supply enters the market. russia, iran, venezuela and other states are crippled by current oil prices. i think it works out all too well for the juggernaut oil consumer that is america.

so will oil find a floor in the 30's simply because producers will stop pumping? im not sure. they may, but w/ the sheer volume of oil pumped by state-owned oil companies (or shell corporations that are proxies of their oligarchical state-leaders) i find it difficult to envision them cutting on their hands to save their arms because of plain old fashioned short-sightedness.

the same short-sightedness that got us into this mess in the first place non?

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gold: doing its usual morning crash. ive run out of things to say about gold and gold stocks for the moment. as ive said before there are bullish medium/long term set up's happening on the charts. but TA is like T and A, great to look at and alot of fun, but not a sustainable trait for a bountiful relationship..... thier continued underperformance vs. gold could be a reality of life going forward, or a sign that gold is unable to really break through its old highs with any real conviction just yet.

the USD is still looking somewhat strong, dont even look at the charts with EMA's because they look dam good, but so does the gold chart. its weird.

im not liking golds actoin at the moment. but what else is new. i was loving it for some reason just a day or 2 ago, but it truly is a case of 3 steps forward and 2 steps back, sometimes 3 steps back....

HGU is really just UGH!!! in disguise

good luck.

Re: FAS/BAC/C/GS- all of yesterday's buys off pre-market

2nd
for last six month why DUG is down 40% while USO down 70% and UNG down 52%
I thing DUG should be up 50%?

Re: FAS/BAC/C/GS- all of yesterday's buys off pre-market

vinod- as David would say, "value destruction." look at FXP. or look at SiO2's research on the ultra ETFs.

Re: DXO

in 200 shares at 2.51...perhaps capitulation...

The trade

Seems like there's only one fairly predictable trade...People are buying 2 or 3 minutes in as the bottom of the opening range seems to be established and then trade the range. This is how folks made 20 cents in yamana this morning even though gold hasn't done squat.

In fact, it seems that yamana drops are buyable even as gold does nothing, that's how much interest there is in the stock.

Deepcapture.com

Bill. Thanks for reporting this. The story told here is one of a crime of a century. This is the vast criminal enterprise that has eluded Wall Street regulators and Congress for decades due to the blind trust and faith these agencies have with Wall Street's elite.

During the Madoff hearings this week the members of Congress spoke with outrage and disgust at how this happened and with concern when the drug cartels and Russian Mafia were identified. People lost money, people who contribute to campaigns and our members will have none of that. Ironically, the Deepcapture.com team have been telling these same members the exact same stories Markopolos spoke but behind closed doors bacause no hearings would be called upon. Their concerns came with the validation of threats identified in this story and yet no member of Congress has elevated to outrage and disgust.

I believe the issue we face is that when wealthy members of our society are cheated Congress will respond. When it is simply Mom and Pop who are the abused it is just another day at the office for these captured members.

Best,

Dave

The game...The more uncertain it looks, the better.

Here's the game...trading has zero to do with "good" setups as described in trading books. In fact, the more certain a setup looks, the more likely it is to fail. There is no trading book in the world that states:

Buy after a 3 minute low has been established and dump it when it starts looking good, but that's been the trade.

Also look at the way yamana has defied gravity.

Erin Burnett is losing the few brain cells she began with. She knows someone who is playing golf. Wow.

OMG

Look at Yamana breaking out even as gold pukes it up. This is how it had to be...It could only rise not on a day when gold does well but when schlubby here isn't in it. Damn!

Yamana

Damn thing went parabolic on no rise in gold futures.....Hey here's a question......

When does a stock rise with NO BUYABLE PULLBACKS?

Of course, silly goose. It's when you're not in it.

Also am I the only one who has trouble buying into todays bullishness, for lack of another word that begins with bull and has 4 more letters after it?

Here's another idea....Watching 30 stocks trying to find the one that looks really really good is folly. You need to buy at the first sign of life, therefore you need to watch 3 or 4 stocks very closely. It doesn't matter if it isn't the perfect stock.

Re: The game...The more uncertain it looks, the better.

shark- i think Vad would agree that "good" setups often present themselves as "uncomfortable" setups...anyone buying financials the past two weeks knows what "uncomfortable" means- FAS @ 7.77 is "uncertain," whereas at 25 it becomes "certain." IMO, just the way crowd psychology works.

Xstrata

Has just been on a rocket ship for the last five days, something's going on there...

http://tinyurl.com/cnnqwx

Cronyism lives!

If Mr. Obama's appointments to his economic advisory council is to be believed, this country has a long row to hoe. Even geezers like me with short term memory loss can remember Penny Pritkser and her Chicago 'mafia' family. RICOed and accused of tax fraud and evasion, their Superior Bank was one of the original subprime abusers.

Maybe the precedent is FDR's appointment of old Joe Kennedy as czar to clean up the securities industry. I guess it helps to know where the bodies are buried but it sends the wrong message to those who value ethics.

Re: DRYS

1) I am not in front of my computer all day.

2) A Triple RSI buy alert was triggered on 2/4 but I bought it at 5.09 and sold in the 6's.

3) It's very volatile so a 20% price move is just average.

4) I want to sell it when it jumps and buy it when it plummets enough.

5) Max pain is 12.50 so buying it when it's below 6.50 is less risk (IMO)

JMO, too many on this board are working too hard (and taking on too much risk) to pick up a few pennies intraday but that's my opinion. So I just run stocks against the RSI screen esp the 7 day and trade 'em.

GL

Re: DRYS

I agree strongly with your final point. The trick is finding a timeframe in which you can be successful.

Re: The game...The more uncertain it looks, the better.

I have noticed the behavior on AUY you mentioned on AUY also occurs with some of the ETF's like UCO/FAZ/FAS. It seems it is the volatility itself that is being "traded". I think it's an astute point you make that today's setup could become tomorrow's trap.

Don Cox

Does anyone know if Don Cox continues his Friday presentations.

Thanks in advance.

Re: DRYS

well for me, the Triple RSI buy signal is not working like it would in a bull market. And I see too many forcing a trade when I don't see the indicators and risk lining. It'd be better to just sit. I look at several screens/areas and watch for the RSI 7 day to go below 10 and then check to see what the max pain options expiration looks like. If it isn't there, it isn't there.

Bailout plan

Harry Reid news: Hopes for a vote between 5 and 7pm today. So, is the market going to have faith and hold over the weekend?

My bet is no. But I've been wrong before.

STT

sold it way too soon. Should have put a trailing stop more like the 10 day ATR or 1.5 the 10 day.

Who Cares!

About those massive job losses? I guess we knew they were coming, so good move Mr. Market! Nice to get some clarity from DC too, it's been a cold winter since inauguration day.

Re: Bailout plan

"So, is the market going to have faith and hold over the weekend?"

Watch Europe's close. I'm betting we close nicely green (look at Asia) and everyone leaves it on the table waiting for a presidential weekend to unfold.

"the knife"

playing again

Order Date Status Attempt Action
Buy 500 shares UCO at 9.25 Limit GTC 02/05/09 Filled

02/06/09 09:30 Filled 500 at 9.06

It's a little game I call the:

Friday smart money cash-out.

"hey everybody!...Come on in the water's fine...wait...what's that?
What the......

AAAAAAAAAArrrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Re: Bailout plan

I plan to hold over the weekend but if it starts diving, I might sell 1/2.

face it, we can't go foward without banks. we have to stimulate the economy or else it will fail. That is why I hold gold for a rainy day. the short term trade now is the banks. I am on the right side today but it was soo hard for me to buy and hold fas and rf when the bank stocks were nose diving.

I know less about trading than anyone here but I have watched long enough to recognize patterns.

kiss... buy when you see red and sell when you see green

vb

Re: Yamana

Shark,
As usual its raining in San Diego today. Not that it rains a lot here. But it is usual when the PGA tour comes to our backyard; the Buick Torrey Pines and formerly the Mercedes Championship/Accenture Match play @ La Costa. You can't do Torrey Pines because there is little room for the crowds. I was there a few years ago when there was a fog out in the morning and Tiger had to stand at the tee box for 30 minutes before play resumed. I was standing right in front where he was going to hit a drive at a par 5. When the fog horn went off he prepares for his drive and a fat marshall stands right in front of me and raises his arms for quiet. I missed his best drive of the tournament; 350 yards. Typical of Torrey Pines. The La Costa was the gem of the PGA tour until they moved to Arizona. Because everyone in S. Cal had been to either Torry Pines or the LA Open, only 7K spectators would show up at the La Costa event per day. If you wanted to you could follow Tiger up close through the whole match without much problem except for the weekend. But I liked to follow Harrington or Appleby. You can learn so much about the golf swing watching those guys up close. They both keep the armpits tights through the swing. I spent the last event two years ago with Appleby/Allenby's swing coach as we walked through Allenby's match with Lehman. Lehman won with one drive that rolled 390 yards. But it always rained at that event; like today.

Re: "the knife"

I am buying more uco today too.

New Report On Activision (ATVI)

http://at.zacks.com/?id=2505

(tiny url won't work on this)

'Lending'in the real economy.........

This from Dennis Gartman a comment from one of his readers in regards to securing a business loan:
What we learn is that things really are difficult out there; that borrowing really is difficult, if not wholly impossible, and that indeed rates are low but there is no money to be borrowed:
Also, your recent statement about real estate and commercial loans was very much on point. I’ve informed you of what is going on in my business (single family lot development) before: the baby is truly being thrown out with the bath water. I have a subdivision with three builders that have been there since the beginning; their sales have slowed, but we are in compliance with all other terms of our development loan. Over Christmas, OTS sent my lender a cease and desist order. Shortly afterward, my lender asked me to move the loan. I thought it would be easy as I needed $20,000 per finished lot with lots selling for $72,000. Infill location that can’t be replaced. Rated A location by our third party market research folks. Long story short, I called over 30 banks and was turned down at each. I was willing to put up the capital to fund interest and property taxes a year in advance!
What some bank officers told me is they just wouldn’t do a SF lot loan now because the regulators are all over them. If the builders are behind; and everyone is here in Dallas, they impair the loan and make the bank put up reserves to provide for losses. So, the executive branch is in the engine of the train with the throttle wide open, the wheels of the engine are spinning, and all leaders are telling the train to go; but back in the rear, the regulators have the brakes on several of the rear cars!
What I’m saying, is there is no differentiation between reasonable properties/businesses that need funding and those same situations were locations are bad, builders have pulled our or their bases is simply too high in this market. The regulators are just warning banks off all lending in that area which creates more hardship and loss. Add to that, appraisers that are now slowing absorption periods, raising discount rates and warning of a builder possibly leaving. It drops a property’s value 30 to 50% in many instances. From the raw land stand point: In outlying areas, we had land selling for $30,000 per acre two years ago. It cost $20 to 25,000 per lot to improve the lot to make suitable for a home to be built on it (installation of streets, water, sewer and other services). Recently, a finished subdivision in an outlying area was brought to me by a broker; he later sold it for 10,500 per lot!
Another parcel of land was brought to me and it has no development value as one can purchase a subdivision with finished lots for less than it would cost to put new lots on a new tract with no dirt cost. Now, if a different product was needed, one could argue for new development, but there is no bank lending, no homebuilder can put down a deposit or guarantee specific performance.
Difficult times. Dave

Re: Bailout plan

I hear you CP and I have seen Eurasia mkts. But, since amateur hour is nearly over after 10am (very short term) I'm seeing a pattern of lower lows and lower highs on $INDU, volume dropping off slowly. I smell a bull trap. Disclosure I have QID and FAZ.

News just now: Republicans are going to what they can to "take this bill down".

JMHOs

DRYS/MGM/Monday

cancelled DRYS order. Not enough movement for now.

MGM capitulated a couple days ago. Buy limit 6.30 (3pm close + 5% 10 day ATR).

Max pain for March 12.50

Re: DRYS/MGM/Monday

Monday would mark the EOM/BOM favorable trading period. I'll look at selling at the open then.

We'll know in the fullness of time.

Golf

Greg,

Sounds like fun. We have a guy here at my local municipal who drives the ball LITERALLY nearly 400 yards, don't know how but when you see it it's like nothing you ever saw. Meanwhile I am hitting my driver MAYBE 220 yards if the wind is behind me. Tiger I 'aint. I do have a pretty good short game around the green though. How about you?

I play what's known as "old man" golf, even though I'm not old, just lame. Hit it short, but right down the middle, take an extra approach shot but place it well, 2 putt and bogey the course, usually outscoring the long hitters in my group. I am as Nicklaus said a "short knocker".

Max Pain

Hello BSI,

You speak a bunch about max pain. Where is the best internet location for me to read up and understand the background of this indicator?

Thanks in advance

TARP oversight hearings

Yesterday morning I listened to a portion of the senate banking committee meeting with the TARP oversight panel. Elizabeth Warren is eminently capable, but she is obviously facing an impossible task. Why? Because yesterday these worthies, senators and experts in bankruptcy alike, had what seemed a collective revelation that the billions of dollars given out to banks has not been put to any good use because ... drum roll please ... the banks are using the money to shore up their balance sheets in anticipation of significant future losses.

How could people be so absolutely foolish in expecting any other outcome?

Now we sit in a deepening recession and the institutions responsible for creating it -- the banks -- are sitting tight on government money until the storm passes, eager for the government to shower more taxpayer money on them that they will assure us all with a wink and a nod will be used to make business loans but will instead be squirreled away in a vault while they wait out the CRE failures and ARM resets to take their disastrous toll on what remains of the financial system.

And last night I listened to Evergreen Solar's conference call -- a company that candidate Obama surely must have had in mind when he claimed the future of our economy depends on investment in alternative energy. They explained that several customers were delaying shipments because projects are on hold pending -- you guessed it -- completion funding. Funding that is not forthcoming while money is wasted on banks instead of businesses.

The irony only leaves me with despair.

Jobs #'s

Numbers are probably 150,000 or more off. It will be seen in the revisions in 6-9 months. Gubermint trying to pull out all stops to appease Wall Street and then pass the "Haily Mary Bill"...watch Wall Street show signs of flushing the market with a 300 point drop and light a fire under the guberminters seats!!

hope it works :-)

own a few SPY puts
Own GG leaps SLW

DXO :-(

Re: Bailout plan

VB,

ditto,

db

Re: Golf

Shark,
I love the game but I haven't played it much in the last two years. It just seems that all of my golf buddies have moved or I have. Playing single isn't the same. Also some back issues; 18 can be a problem. My local golf course is 6400 yards and Oak tree lined and narrow on the back but I like the 9 hole front for $11 walking. It is not as flat as the back but a nice walk. I plan to get out again after the rain stops. I'm not that good probably because I was in my mid 40's when I started. But I can par and birdie a few holes per round which keeps me in the game. It make tv viewing more respectiful once you have tried it yourself. Like the uphill/downhill lie that the tour players routinely place on the green. Here's a link to my course. http://www.fallbrookgolf.com/

Re: Bailout plan

I know less about trading than anyone here but I have watched long enough to recognize patterns.

Vanilla, sometimes that can be a great asset :)

Re: 'Lending'in the real economy.........

It's been my experience the best time to buy is when banks aren't lending / won't lend. Back in the seventies banks wouldn't finance a $7,000 lot here on the lake, now they're worth $500k.

WY, SYT straddles

Mentioned the unusual volume yesterday on WY 25Ps. Look at what this fellow did:

http://nexalogic.com/wy-25p-3d-new-ann.gif

Still holding SYT straddle, will sell today ahead of weekend.

AAUK

Anyone watching this one??

Unfortunately, I became an investor of this one a few months back. Maybe there is life after death!

vb

Don Coxe

He did a talk on the 30th available on BMO and said he was going to be continuing these.

I would expect to see another one today.

Re: The game...The more uncertain it looks, the better.

"i think Vad would agree that "good" setups often present themselves as "uncomfortable" setups.."

2nd,

overall, yes, but statements made about "good setups" are too general for me to comment until we go over definitions... I mean, what is it that constitutes "good setup described in books"? :) There are books that present general knowledge about setups and leave it to the reader to select their favorites and make modifications to them; there are books that describe setups authors trade; and there are books that claim that setups described are da best... obviously those books will have vastly different value, can't make a blanket statement about them all.

The point about equilibrium between uncertainty and and favorable odds/profit potential is made in many books, and one of the best on exactly this, IMO, is The Nature of Risk by Justin Mamis

Re: Max Pain

Re: TARP oversight hearings

I think more and more people are realizing that it would have been better to let compromised institutions fail and to use the 9+ trillion we promised to the compromised institutions for supporting the healthy financial institutions left standing.

But if many in the government are in "deep capture" then they had to do anything the failed institutions wanted for fear of repercussions to them or their families.

The "deep capture" story really makes me believe that the only way to successfully invest honestly in this environment is with a mind to Defense 1st, 2nd, and, 3rd. Then the 4th priority is Offense. With so many teams (legal and illegal)manipulating portions of the market for their own gain, protection has to be paramount in anyone's mind who's not connected to one of these teams.

It's amazing how nasty everything looks when you drain the swamp.

Rob.

PALM 8.35 resistance is holding.........

This is like work...........

Any ideas for stocks that are under water?

Hi All,

Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have a question about using options to generate income for stocks that are deep under water. Do any of you have any experiences and/or strategies using options that you can share?

Thanks.

Re: The game...The more uncertain it looks, the better.

Hey Vad, how ya been?

My point being, good looking breakouts often fail but buying at the bottom of the opening range, no matter how crappy it may look and no matter how light volume may be, if it's rising off that bottom, lately, it's been working. Probably owing to the renewed sense of bullishness pervading. Also you could have bought every single drop in Yamana in the past week and made money, no matter what gold has done, whereas buying the breakouts yo would have gotten slaughtered.

Point is, once everyone's read all the books then they all adjust the principles, trying to get the jump on the next guy, which necessitates earlier purchase during a time which is, by definition less certain looking.

Also why do I get the feeling people buying today are going to get decimated later today or next week?

Group

Who is selling into this rally with long postitions going into he weekend?

This feels like a buy the rumor (stimulus) sell the news on Monday.

Thoughts?

Re: Group

I wouldn't miss this selling opportunity for all the whisky in Ireland, if I were you. It's a doozy.

Monday

DJIA 10 day ATR is 225.58

Price at time of this post is 8255.82.

adding them together is about 8480.

50 DEMA for DJIA is 8476 which has contained rallies since June 2008.

see what happens Monday esp if the Admin comes out with some sort of plan over the weekend.

No opinion on plans, etc.

Just watching the circus.

Re: Bailout plan

vb- agreed. once the financials catch a bid, there could be a huge move to fill a few january gaps. then there's short-covering. keeping a core position for now.

Re: PALM 8.35 resistance is holding.........

yvrapx... to me it's more like fun... remember my yesterday's trick with selling half and re-buying it back on pullback? I happily repeated it twice already today. Cost basis goes lower and lower with each roundtrip

I am in FAS at 10.25

$10 is a hard mental stop for me to get out.

Venture Board Increase and the TFSA

As many of you are aware, since Jan 2009 the tax free savings account allows Canadians to save and trade in a tax free environment - allowable contribution per year, 5000 CAD.

The loss of 5000 CAD is not likely to ‘break the bank’ for many of those who are able to contribute to a TFSA, and tax savings on investment income from 5000 CAD really only become interesting when relatively large gains are involved.

This scenario provides an incentive to trade high-risk stocks. As a Canadian, I’m very likely to look to the Venture Board to find those stocks.

Value of Venture Board, Dec 2008 – 559,767,559 CAD*
5.7% Increase in Value – 31,906,751 CAD
Number of New TFSA Accounts - ~10,000 (seems reasonable ??)
CAD per TFSA Account to generate 5.7% increase in Venture Board -

31,906,751 CAD / 10,000 = ~3000 CAD

3000 CAD per TFSA account on high-risk stocks - seems plausible that at least some of the recent gains on the Venture Board might be related to new TFSA activity. Just a thought. I could be way off here.

eps705

* www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/211...

Re: Any ideas for stocks that are under water?

Ilelwan,

What stocks and prices do you have?

Sold out of FAS @ $10.25 that I bought yesterday at $8. I might reload today if the price falls to the mid 9's

Looking at UCO

All cash for now.

Re: Monday

bsi87
good post. should hit 8500 before rolling over?

Re: The game...The more uncertain it looks, the better.

thanks for the book recommendation, Vad

MAybe a mistake

But I took my TNA off for a small loss.

Bailout

You cannot abide by (and venerate) market principles for 50 years and then, when the going gets a little tough, resort to corporate Communism for bankers and other rich people.

If banks do not fail, if people do not lose homes, and the so-called value of those homes is not permitted to drop dramatically then there will be no reason to ever buy a house. New people need to be able to come in and pick up the pieces on the cheap and MAKE MONEY on it in order for this asset class (rhymes with morass) to ever dream of recovering.

POT

Own this one free and nice to see it pick up steam again. "Ascending triple top breakout" and tracking with gold as was usual in the past. Happy Trading

Stupid Mechanics

710 Knob

A few days ago I was having some work done at my local garage. A blonde came in and asked for a seven-hundred-ten knob.

We all looked at each other and another customer asked, "What is a seven-hundred-ten knob?"

She replied, "You know, the little piece in the middle of the engine, I have lost it and need a new one." She replied that she did not know exactly what it was, but this piece had always been there.

The mechanic gave her a piece of paper and a pen and asked her to draw what the piece looked like. She drew a circle and in the middle of it wrote 710.

He then took her over to another car which had its hood up and asked, "is there a 710 on this car?"

She pointed and said, "Of course, its right there."

If you're not sure what that 710 is open jpg attachment...

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Re: gold/oil pre-market thoughts

Just schlubbly.

Certain currencies are bound to rally against the $US, I get the notion that the loonie is due for a relief rally. But most of the trade in the loon is tied to declines in the oil price. But Canadian banks are still being endorsed by American analysts, which is to say they are anticipating a rise in the financials, but also by default, firmness in the Canadian dollar.

This should bode well for American-listed Canadian issues. Because should there be a temporary gap-fill of the $CDW:$USD, then this should carry some of the gold juniors out of the mire. The $CAD gold price is at an all time record, with its chart showing a terminus of the rally, which would confirm that the loonie is about to head north.

But that would say that Carlyle Dunbar is exactly right when he says in the latest Investor's Digest: "Even more significant will be the coming end of the long bond bull market. The end, though, may be as repeated as many times as a rock star's farewell tour."

So a short term weakness in the $USD may be in the cards, or that some of the currencies have overshot on the downside, in particular the loonie.

I compare the travel of the$GOLD:$CDW vs. $CDW overlay and an overlay of my gold junior stock, but I suppose you might throw in financials in this condition. If you have a membership in Stockcharts.com, you can throw in TD.TO in place of the GBN.V symbol in the overlay. GBN.V was formerly very well tied in to the S&P TSX Global Gold Index, I believe it will eventually follow along with the index.

Stockcharts.com $GOLD:$CDW /w overlays

BC

Sold @$3.35 with 12.4% gain

Re: Group

I agree PillZ. I was wrong on market direction this morning. But I do not see the makings of a sustained rally.

Re: gold/oil pre-market thoughts

"So a short term weakness in the $USD may be in the cards, or that some of the currencies have overshot on the downside, in particular the loonie."

Yes, this is why I like holding Canadian equities. The loonie was unnecessarily beaten down, pretty crazy, huh?

FD: TCK

Re: Group

Me too...bought QID yesterday. I expected a much worse jobs number. I know of 100K job cuts announced just in MN this past month.

But we are above some Tech levels now...so we shall see how we close. I have a tight stop set on my DDM position. Will hold the QID and SDS I have through later today and if we close above 860 S&P's I may dump SDS and rethink my QID. I dont see the rally holding, but I have been wrong before.....the stimulus package details they have released sound weak at best. GOP hates the bill.

Max Pain

Occurs when one of your holdings cuts their dividend or files for bankruptcy.

profit taking

I just sold 1/2 RF and 1/2 Fas. I plan to hold the rest through the weekend or longer (per 2nd avenue)- but I have stops in place just in case

8250 DJI

That's the ceiling for the moment.

funny

MAX Pain is when you picked off FAS at 7.75 two days ago and sold it for 8.20 that same day. : ' )

Re: gold/oil pre-market thoughts

Disclosure: I am an 'inwestor.'

TCK

Is coming back on good volume - hopefully it can close strong above its 50 day SMA. I've been holding it in this range for a while.

Re: The game...The more uncertain it looks, the better.

"My point being, good looking breakouts often fail but buying at the bottom of the opening range, no matter how crappy it may look and no matter how light volume may be, if it's rising off that bottom, lately, it's been working."

Yeah but buying bottom of the morning pullback is easy in hindsight only, when you already know what the low of that pullback was, right? Looking at AUY today, it never formed an opening range, it just went up from an arbitrary point (8.45 level). To form a range it would have to make a couple movements establishing low and high; then you could decide whether you want to buy low of the range or wait for the opening range break. Otherwise, you are just buying some price that is a good entry in retrospect only. What can happen if you do that is illustrated by HIG this morning - imagine you bough 11.50 at 9:35 thinking that it's the low.

Pullbacks vs. breakouts - it's not a permanent fixture of the markets. It changes from one type of the market to another, from one time of the day to another, from stock to stock... look at STT today and tell me buying breakouts on it was not a good idea. Again, don't try to come up with blanket statement from week-long observations.

Finally, on everyone reading same books and jumping each other... See, "good setups" are good because they are based on understanding how mass psychology works. Not everyone reads books; not everyone reads the same books; not everyone gets the same understanding from the same book; finally, not everyone is capable of applying what he read... Sure, some setups get overexploited and turn into their opposite, then come back again... that's normal cycle of life for them.

TARP oversight hearings

Finger Lakes,

"I think more and more people are realizing that it would have been better to let compromised institutions fail and to use the 9+ trillion we promised to the compromised institutions for supporting the healthy financial institutions left standing."

Agreed. But most thinking people knew this.

The problem is when it is other people's money congress is so generous.

Too bad we can't penalize them in the same way I'd like to penalize the bank CEOs. (Who also were playing with OPM.)

This morning there was a lengthy announcement on radio: ATTENTION to anyone owing more than $10,000 in back taxes to the IRS or state... Due to the economic conditions the IRS is willing to settle for pennies on the dollar.

Hmmmm We've seen three appointments sullied by tax problems so far. Perhaps this will make it easier to find "clean" candidates.

Gave the "knife" back for a while

Sell 500 shares UCO at Market Day 02/06/09 Filled

02/06/09 12:06 Filled 500 at 9.4308

Junior miners

Anyone care to comment on LYM.v or KRI.to. Long both, underwater. Sell and forget? hold and watch gold price?
TIA
peace
Gray

stop out fas

stopped out remaining fas at 10.00. that didnt' take long!

vb

Re: The game...The more uncertain it looks, the better.

Vad,

Your point on opening ranges is good. I was amazed earlier this week when, after opening well off the close, Yamana, on almost zero volume, rose 20 cents in about ten minutes, similar to today but much less V.

As far as trading books are concerned, I would imagine that anyone who took this activity seriously would, sonner or later but probably sooner become conversant, one way or the other, with the various methodologies employed by many aspiring traders. For if one is ignorant of his methods, how is one to separate him from his nourishment?

Bailout

The more I consider it the more doomed to failure this bailout stuff seems, largely for the reasons I stated above.

And notice. This isn't a bailout of people, the victims of this madness. It's a bailout of the system itself at the expense of people. Obama wants to save Capitalism and in truth it's already a dinasour. If we just gave the poor shlubs who got canned some cash we as taxpayers would be well ahead of the game, but notice...We DO NOT do that in the U.S.S.A.

And why is it only the unemployed who benefit? How about people like me who didn't even have a freaking job?

Re: stop out fas

using mental stop just for that reason. i suspected they would take it there. i was using $10 in my head as the activation price and a little bit lower stop price.

still in fas.

Re: Bailout

Yes, but you forget the psychology of this. This will generate an insane wave of optimism jerking the markets and commodities up before trashed later. It this buying is so strong today on a possibility of passing it, it can be even stronger in the coming weeks.

FD: I'm actually selling on strength as I believe we will drop from this levels before going up more. The $CPC is too low IMHO, but not entirely reliable though.

NYU

Glad to see your back in the game. You picked an interesting starter. FAS makes 1$ swings like nothing. Not for the faint of heart. Good Luck.

Re: Cara 100 Update

Best in Class? (In DeNiro voice) You talking to me?

My sister is CEO of BJ'S Wholesale. I don't trade it (obviously). But seriously, she talks about the frozen fish indicator (shrimp)...times are good, people buy shrimp, not so much...onion dip.

Re: Junior miners

As for 'junior miners' associated with the gold trade, you would need first of all need ~wait for it~ gold, (sort of shiny stuff, more shiny when refined, has the talismanic effect of being way more shiny once you hold it in your hand, precious) and a discernable, logical process towards development acquisition and most importantly, growth.

As for Canadian banks, obviously the fundamentals are important, you would buy RBC or TD rather than CIBC or Caisse Desjardins. I think it would be the same for the mining sector, you would favour strong fundamentals.

Re: Cara 100 Update

Let me guess onion dip is flying of the shelves?

Re: stop out fas

Ny grad,, yeah, i see now. Next time I will put my stop right below 10.00 at 9.97

thanks for pointing that out. wish you a continued ride up

vb

Re: NYU

Remember how i was saying i was dying to get back in SLW emotionally but the charts said no. FAS was polar opposite.

A)i know about time decay = Scares the hell out of me.
B)I hate financials and wish they would never get bailed out
C)I bought only on the daily chart action. and only when i saw yesterdays 111M volume = largest volume day yet. + today when it kissed $10 like 4 times before it was able to break through it.
D)This is only for short term trade and $10 range is my threshhold for pain.
e)If this is not up big before close i will not hold into weekend. cuz i know it can gap down to $7 range on stupidity on Sunday.

thanks for the well wishes.

Edit i am basically looking at todays chart for FAS real basically. AM $10 was resistance. broke thru it after kissing it 4 times. now it bounced off $10 area as support once. next time they pull it to $10 I will be watching closely. if it ramps up above $11 then i will hold into weekend. if it is near $10 before close i am out.

Re: TARP oversight hearings

"The problem is when it is other people's money congress is so generous."

Exactly, imagine how difficult it would be to spend OPM if some of that money was yours. No wonder they don't pay taxes...

One nicely working trade

yvrapx... you see PALM right?

Re: Bailout

I think we are anticipating the return of his excellency, emperor W with the immediate questionable Obama stuff. Mr. Normal can't compete with the aberrant, extensive corruption.

Re: One nicely working trade

Yep, out and looking to reload. :-)

Article On Canadian Banks

Re: Cara 100 Update

Ron,

small world. We sent you some samples of nhl jerseys (BJ's Wholesale) Can you contact me directly? Would like to do some business- own 25,000.

thanks vb

PRGO

Broke out today

Re: TARP oversight hearings

Really , why should they pay for the broken system they're supposedly saving. It's no surprise to me that many of them think they shouldn't have to pay SS or Medicare taxes since they have their own private pension and health care system.

Rob.

Re: NYU

Here are some annotations on what i am looking at.

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Good Bank Bad Bank

Re: Two Things The Canadian Media Are Not Covering

1. The Canadian gold price is at a record high. Not a peep.

2. Unions are underfunded with some locals in trusteeship, essentially bankruptcy.

Re: TARP oversight hearings

If we wanted to get creative we could mandate that all government workers have to deposit their money and keep their retirement accounts with banks getting TARP money. If we really wanted to get crazy we could eliminate their private pension giving them 401K's and SS. And while we're at it we could eliminate their cadillac private insurance and put them all in Medicare or a similar government run plan for people younger than 65.

You would never see programs and failed institutions reformed quicker than if it was their own money, retirement, and health care on the line.

Rob.

They are voting on the stimulus ammendments

I noticed the SECOND the last amendment was voted on and passed (not the stimulus- just the amendment) FAS and other financials popped up. Now i cannot say this is correlated 100%. Could be just coincidence and my eyes seeing what they want to see.

Just my observation. You can observe yourself.
http://tinyurl.com/b8dq82

Re: They are voting on the stimulus ammendments

Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, said he was worried that the Senate was becoming like a gathering of firefighters arguing about “how to get to the fire while the house keeps burning.”

TBT/TLT

So how is it we have this "rally" yet treasuries are static?

Color me suspicious. I think we sell into this and wait for Monday.

Re: TBT/TLT

I agree, but I set my stops on my remaining inverses just in case. During the great depression there were massive bear rally's. Got to protect yourself.

Straddles

Out of SYT calls, keeping the puts, you never know when they come back to life, not worth selling. Remember the SNDK straddles on Tuesday (puts sold, calls kept), calls are now well alive.

Looking at next week's straddles, as well as oil and gas straddles.

USO

Rocketing higher. Breathtaking move. What happened?

UCO

Out @ 10.50

My problem

I haven't traded at all today. Doesn't that suck? After getting screwdoodled by my own stupidity all last week I have really lost all confidence in my trading and my decision making ability. I shouldn't feel that way though, because each of about ten trades I found in the past two days have all worked out, even though the past ten trades I took did not, say. I learned a long time ago you can lose a lot more on "good" days than on bad ones, paradoxically. Maybe you're not as on guard for it, juggling multiple positions and whatnot. I also find that this activity, which once used to really thrill me, does very little for me psychically anymore. I would trade it all for a hot dog cart in Nassau, a place to stay dry and good cheeba growin' wild.

Murphys law number 26....You will lose all confidence in your ability just when that ability is in a position to do you the most good.

I'm still not falling for this stimulus stuff. Stimulate THIS!

TBT/TLT

Craig,

I understand the workings of TLT. If I ever figure out what makes TBT work, I may have an answer to your question.

UCO straddles

UCO straddle mentioned yesterday:

Feb, Put 9-Call 10:

* Feb 6 price: $ 9.41
* Call strike: $10, Call premium: $0.65
* Put strike: $9, Put premium: $0.65

Current:
* 10Cs: $1.30
* 9Ps: $0.40

Total: $1.70 vs $1.30

ROI: +30.7%.

Key Silver Miners

Bill, you are still showing SIL on your key Silver Miners.
Are you going to review this table?

Re: My problem

Its called "traders block". I have been there a number of times after making really bad trades. You end up leaving the market for a week and come back better off with lessons learned....hard to get back in the saddle sometimes. Tighten your stops and take some short profits to get your mind right. Its all emotion and when I find I am getting emotional I place hard stops or sell positions.

Good Luck Shark!

Dont feel to bad in the last week I have caught all these posions only to sell way way way to early. FAS 7.75,
DZZ 22.00, and even UCO this AM at 9.06. All would have been big winners if traded correctly. Instead I took 3 very small profits. Also, cut my longs 100 DOW points early today.....it happens, stay after it.

ready for HIG squeeze

Coming up today.

Re: My problem

Thanks. It's not like I'm gonna quit and find a job, right?

Also wondering which I will see first....Photographs of the REAL Kennedy assassins, pictures of Martians landing in the Arizona desert or the photo's of Kaimu in the Bahamas? Not to sound like a stalker but I've been wondering about the appearance of this self-described flower farmer for as long as I've been on here.

Also, I love the new 2 minute charts that Scottrade has. Seems better than either 1 minute or 5 minute ones in a lot of cases.

Banks on welfare

1 We give our tax dollars to banks.

2 Banks don't need to make loans because they have tarp money.

3 Banks don't need to pay high interest because of tarp money.

4 Banks don't need to sell bad assets because of tarp money.

5 Banks, when they receive more than 5 bids on a bank own house don't sell, they take the house off the market only for it to reappear again a $100,000 higher.

6 A house goes down in value 25%, owner is under water, owner has his loan readjust from 4% to 9%, owner trys to get another loan, owner can't get another loan because he has no equity, bank gets house and puts it on market.

This is what has been going on in California, it looks like to me the bailout is just to shore up the banks and to bad for everybody else. My realitor friend says she hates dealing in short sales (bank own homes) because the banks are so cut throat.
I think our government has given the banks money so they can steal again. Why doesn't the bank have go to the open market to get capital, if they can't raise the capital the bank goes on the market like the houses they own.

Re: Banks on welfare

I've been doing the math in my head as well. I have been wondering if, starting from the presumption that house prices got too high and need for a variety of reasons to correct....

Wouldn't we be better off if "everybody' lost their homes theoretically, all housing values drop like rocks and then folks re-buy the housing for pennies on the dollar. That would enfranchise those wise enough to stay on the sidelines, while allowing the pain to be felt where it should, with those owners who paid too much/couldn't afford. Those banks that go under, all the better, shareholders take it in the picholu but they knew that was possible going in, the taxpayer remains solvent, the old order gets swept away and Lord Almighty....CHANGE COMES TO THE GREAT YOUNITED STATES!!!!! Lord have mercy....

Re: Key Silver Miners

Bill passed this on to me, and I removed SIL from the daily reports. So you shouldn't see it in the future. Thanks for the feedback!

UNG

Like the rise, but the volume is less than I was looking for, got my "up a buck+" so it might time to take just a little off the table as next week could be weak so I can reload.

GE

Below 5 min BB and at 30 rsi.

DJI

just broke below 200 ema

Observations

1. Financials are leading obviously
2. 95-97 of the Cara 100 stocks are up :)
3. Prec metals are just sitting there :(
4. FAS bounced off $10 and never pulled back there, YET. the high is 10.67 today. I need it closer to that in order for me to hold into weekend. the last 30 min will be the tell.

With Obama flying and pitching today, and putting so much pressure on Dems and Reps, i think his own party will give into negotiations with the reps to make him look good.

With T Geithner's Bank rescue teed up for Monday, it would be a big egg in the face for Washington to not pass something. These are my observations.

Someone please remind me in 2008, did they 1st reject the bailout before that nasty 777 point move down or was that after approval. forgive my lack of memory as I was at Sea World that day.

SEC says magnitude of Ponzi schemes growing

Yea, a real eye-opener!!! I wonder if they're referring to the FED/Treasury???

BSI87.....PDS

BSI87.....PDS: was in this one a few years ago when times were good. Bought after you brought it up yesterday and did my own DD. Took 13% today on partial and will reload given the chance.

Thank you for the heads up.

Re: SEC says magnitude of Ponzi schemes growing

LOL. Its easy to see pimple when you are looking at the mirror.

Or maybe they put Markopolos on payroll.

Re: Observations

>forgive my lack of memory as I was at Sea World that day.

That must have been some seriously interesting dolphins you were looking at that day! Or perhaps it was a mermaid or two that held your attention? ;)

I certainly recall members of the senate getting lambasted by their respective voters for voting down what I remember to be Paulson's very scanty details for a recovery plan. I believe he wanted 700 billion dollars in exchange for a 3 page report, which didn't sit well with capital hill.

If only I could score that sort of cash for such little effort...Hmmm I could buy Switzerland for that price.

Re: Observations

I was all cash and on vacation that whole week. started in San Diego and went thru La Jolla, Laguna Beach (where i missed AIG fat cats by 1 week apparently), and ended in Los Angeles.

But my blackberry was going off like crazy that day. the emails i got from friends, family, people who work on wall st, was unreal. I am sure many of you have much more colorful stories from that day.

BNN oil and gas clip

BNN had an interesting show today particularly in what refers to oil and gas. They see oil doubling by the end of the year and explain why, and what happened to the price last year in their view. Very interesting.

"BNN chats with Henry Groppe, partner, Groppe, Long and Littell; and Dean Orrico, managing director and CIO, Middlefield"

http://watch.bnn.ca/market-call/february-2009/mark...

I have another UCO straddle in place now.

Re: USO

"Rocketing higher. Breathtaking move. What happened?"

Dunno, remember last week it did the same thing.

"Monkey"

Hope everyone had a good trading day. i am assuming so as 97% of Cara 100 are up.

Re: "Monkey"

It's a great day to start your shorts on the banks.
bac comes to mind.

Re: "Monkey"

SHHHHH. jk. good luck on that trade. just email me when you do so i can jump ship on FAS.

Re: "Monkey"/FAS

I would be careful shorting the banks, as short positions would just add fuel to the rally. Personally, I think financials can run. FAS in three digits is not of the question once the pendulum swings. JMO, of course.

Re: SEC says magnitude of Ponzi schemes growing

If you think about it, fractional reserve lending is a huge ponzi scheme.

Take in a deposit and then lend out 10-30 times that amount. If even 20% of depositors demanded their money, the bank would never be able to pay unless they called in many of their loans.

Then imagine how bad it gets when you lose the depositor's money and still have 30X loans out of which most are going bad. Oh, I forgot, that's where we are now.

Rob.

SLW

Still rising on higher volume that yesterday. It's a pitiful advance that just seems to be tracking the silver price. So, as long as silver keeps rising it could as well.

Rob.

FRE/FNM

Doing nicely, maybe they'll go on the balance sheet?

Re: "Monkey"/FAS

If FAS goes to triple digits that would mean UYG would be at least 30 and I will buy beers for everyone at the Conference if that happens. If that happens I'll be able to go for sure.

Rob.

USL v USO

Hey, new to this forum. I appreciate everyone's insights. In return I send you this tip. I cant stand watching USO get killed by contract rollover and contago. Instead, invest in USL, which buys equal amounts of 12 front month contracts, not just the immediate front month, like USO. Therefore, its rollover effect is almost nonexistant. There is near term oversupply in oil, and contago is killing USO, and we are a mile away from backwardation. Check out today's performance and this chart:
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=USL#chart5:symb...

Re: "Monkey"/FAS

Looking at the TRIN and TICK, this rally may have legs IF nothing explodes over the weekend. The volume has still not picked up yet, but we'll see what Monday holds. Here is link I have been using courtesy of this board. I like it since it explains TICK/TRIN and lets me see intraday results even though I don't have a stock charts membership.

http://tiny.cc/48Hkz

Miggs

trades for today

I finally found the time to look at the market and saw that a few of my "strategically placed" limit orders have been hit. First, SWC hit the sell limit order at $4.90 for the 500 shares I purchased a couple of weeks ago at $3.98. Then, UCO hit the sell limit order at $10.50 for the 250 shares I purchased on Wednesday at $9.50. Finally, FAZ buy to cover limit order was hit at $40.40 for 25 shares I shorted at $54.54 on Tuesday.

Re: "Monkey"/FAS

Rob- By the time of the Conference? I think FAS @ 25 by the end of March is a possibility.

out of UCO

UCO fell back today after reaching $10.50, and was the final straw in my patience with it. I just sold at $9.66 all of my UCO shares (500 with a cost basis of about $9.8). It's not that I don't believe in oil being substantially higher in a year or two, but it's because the oil ETFs, unfortunately, lose big because of contango. For example, March oil futures are now at $40.17, while May futures are at $48.85. The Dow Jones AIG oil subindex will be rolling over next week from tracking March futures to tracking May futures. If the futures prices stay fixed for the next two months, then when the Dow Jones AIG oil subindex will be rolling from May to June futures in April (two months from now), the May futures will be worth the same as March futures now. That is, they will lose 18% in two months. UCO, which gives the double daily returns of the index, will probably lose 45% in two months, since it also loses about 5% per month due to ultra-ETF value erosion. This is a huge headwind to fight against! I would rather trade ACI or BTU, which are highly correlated with oil but have none of the contango or value erosion nonsense, and instead pay dividends!

Re: "Monkey"/FAS

Um.. the CTAB Conference is the end of March. March 28 Right? Did i sign up for the wrong date? :P

And triple digits FAS? lets get realistic people.

Re: "Monkey"/FAS

Agreed, besides this just out on the wire. 'Geithner to outline U.S. banking fix on Monday'
http://tinyurl.com/b2l7ud
You can wait until after more pork gets given to the banks, then short.

Re: Observations

IIRC, the real selling started after the TARP was voted for. Vadym may remember that better as the events played exactly as he predicted.

Re: "Monkey"/FAS/FXP

NYU- on the day FXP hit 183 at the end of October, it would have been hard for me to believe it would be at 29 less than 2&1/2 months later...

Re: USL v USO

RallyMonkey,
seems like a good idea to smooth roll over, but come on the whole fund is only 6.5 million and trades under 10,000 shares a day on average.

Re: Observations

I think Vad's outlook today would be quite different than it was last October. Of course, I'll let Vad speak for himself.

I am net short now....

Cant say I like that after todays close, but what feels bad is usually good in this casino. holding SDS (hard stop 72) and QID (hard stop 48) through the weekend. Only other stock positions include an underwater PFE prayer. And some long term USO (also underwater....gergle gergle).

83% cash position heading into my Disney World trip that I wont be returning from till next Thursday. Good Luck guys!

UCO

UCO isn't about fundamentals, it's a technical/price/momentum trade....period.

You sit like a cat....for hours/days, waiting for it to pullback, then pounce......and then you sit for hours/days and wait for it to spike up like it did today.

That rule about not averaging down doesn't apply to UCO. You keep small to medium positions so you can add when it scares you. No worries, it's like a cat too. It comes back.

I use a 5min/one day chart with RSI7 and an exponential volume moving average, a new toy from Scottrade.

Disclosure: Added 300 shares at $9.65 after selling at $10.50. Will add if/when it scares me.

Re: "Monkey"/FAS

Wouldn't it just shock everyone if it happened? I'm pretty sure the conference is the end of March. We already committed to taking the kids to Florida this year but if something like UYG or SLW would to move up huge by then I could justify a few days to myself for a Bahamas getaway.

Rob.

Re: USL v USO

Volume & assets will go up. Way up. Never hurts to be early. The only problem with trading is that bid/ask spread is like 10 cents, but that will go down too. Good luck.

Head Fakes?

Anyone spot the "head fakes" Bill warned us about this morning?

Don Coxe

Don Coxe initiated a limited access conference call starting today.
If anyone was able to listen to his call I would greatly appreciate
any comments you could share thanks....

Reduce Borrower Principle

This may be a good idea for people who borrowed more than they could afford to but it still shows two sets of rules in my eyes.

One set for people who borrowed more than they could afford or bought at the top of the market and can't make the payments and one set for people who bought a house they could afford and can make the payments.

http://tinyurl.com/at47ao

"Wells Fargo & Co., the second-biggest U.S. home lender, offered to cut mortgage balances for some Wachovia Corp. customers by 20 percent as defaults rise and officials pressure banks to modify loans to avoid foreclosures."

I really think we need to get rid of the two sets of rules.

Rob.

GE

Maybe a dividend cut coming to a theater near us...

http://www.247wallst.com/2009/02/ge-finally-open.html

Cara 100

Only 4 stocks down.

fslr (-2.3%), gsk (-0.64%), deo(-0.27), dow(-0.27%). So it was a pretty broad rally.

everything else is even or up. Now my weekend DC/Rescue/stimulus/circus watch begins.

Re: Don Coxe

If anyone can share a password for the call, that would be even more appreciated. :)

Re: "Monkey"/FAS

They got it wrong.
Geithner will announce the fed is going to nationalize the banks, and GS is the new "bad bank" administrator.
You should be more contrary to all the news crap you read, see, and hear.
After all GE owns the lions share of all the financial news outlets that people parrot. Is GE the source of knowledge or propaganda?
I think I'm getting an ulcer.

Well i hope i dont regret not booking this 8.9% gain in FAS

as its over $11 after hours. if i were trading with $1M i would be booking a typical annual salary in 1 trading session.

EDIT: Also, what i should be doing is investing in buying $10 or $7.50 Feb Put options as insurance. As the price rockets yest and today, the put premium falls, thus the cost insurance becomes cheaper to protect my shares to the down side.

But me = idiot. I guess i like painful lessons. I sincerely hope ctab bahamas can beat it out of me. or make me walk on fire so I never leave myself open & unprotected to the downside.

Woah. Stimulus might have a tentative deal tonight?!

CNN is tracking it live. $780B total of our tax money.
Video stream live
http://tinyurl.com/dc53kv

Web Article
http://tinyurl.com/bkoqmd

But Geithner due up still on Monday.

Re: Don Coxe

I'm attempting to listen to it right now but there must be a bug as the replay keeps restarting. Will keep you informed if I am able to hear it. No promises I will, I've had issues with their replays before

Re: Golf

Interesting, makes me wonder if there is a parallel between how we play golf and how we trade. I'll have to think about that. Shark, your game does not sound anything like that of the Great White Shark.

Re: Golf

No it's not. My game sucketh the big one these days. Now mind you, I was, as of 3 or 4 years ago, the sort of golfer who used to inspire envy on the part of my friends and playing partners. I drove pretty well, my approaches were often on target and as I said earlier, my short game, which I practiced constantly with a "Rainman" type of obsessive dedication was truly awesome.

A couple years went by and I am much weaker now. I used to get drunk and pump weights for an hour before going to the bar to score. The B.S. I been through I can hardly look at women anymore. I haven't done a military press since 1994. I haven't done a pushup in 2 years. I still get drunk a lot though, so don't feel too bad:)

I suffer from chronic gout, a bad liver, I'm probably 40 pounds overweight and I snore. Sitting around worrying as stocks go up and down does nothing for one's physique.

How are you hitting them?

Re: My problem

Shark, do you have a documented trading plan and if so does this plan cover your approach to different trading environments? I may be terribly wrong but I get the impression you change around (adhoc) and may be influenced by external opinion. Please accept my comments in the manner they are provided, ie in wanting to help. If I'm completely off track here then please forgive my intrusion, but like I say I'm only trying to help.

IMO one has to have a plan for one or many environments as demonstrated by Bill's flexibility in the current roller-coaster ride. Until you have a documented plan that fits your psychology then trading can be very high risk, ie swapping tactics and never getting into a boring routine which ultimately provides a greater 'feel' to the market.

I am predominantly a single environment trader. I trade trends so when the trend ends I 'try' to get out, not always successfully (but I'm working on it and I'm focussed on that). I do a little swing trading but only when the circumstances look very good. I use a variation of methologogies for that, ie price action, Cara RSI and Elder Impulse.

You must be confident in your plan to be able to execute it without any indecision. Hope all goes well for you.

Re: My problem

Thanks man..The way I see it, either I'll get it worked out or I won't. Either way, I will still be around, still be annoying, still be like most of us, taking up space in an already crowded world. The idea of all this ending someday doesn't trouble me anymore, it kind of comforts me, not that I plan to hasten nature's course. We are what we are and probably that can't change too much. Besides, this is my second career. I used to want to be a rock star, which was my destiny, which I thwarted, due mostly to the fact that
I'm shy, reclusive, and don't particularly intent to please anyone. Springsteen and Bon Jovi I'm not. I like my rock stars surly, enigmatic and hard to figure out.

BTW

Did you guys read today that "Cash For Gold" actually is a scam, just as someone on here thought a few days ago.

Re: Golf

Shark,
I haven't hot a white ball for a few years now. I'm pretty much devoted to sailing nowadays. I'm over 60 now and realised I had to keep the body, mind and soul in trim so I'm also into exercise, running, meditation and yoga (with a class of lovely young women). Life's quite pleasant for this old fart but would be nicer if we started to see some rising trends.

Re: Golf

Compared to watching young chicks doing yoga golf is a major bore!
Glad life is good, there's hope.

Re: Golf/Gout

shark- Assuming you're serious, lose the 40 pounds and cut out the alcohol. Your gout will go away, your liver function tests should stabilize, and you will probably stop snoring. If you can't do it for your own sake, do it for your Mom. You won't need to go to the bar to score. It may even improve your trading. I can pretty much guarantee all of the above except for the last sentence.

Reduce Borrower Principle

Finger Lakes,

Re: 2 sets of rules

I heard an ad on Chicago radio this morning —

"If you are behind in your taxes call us.
Anyone who is more than $10,000 behind in either federal or state taxes can save big.
Due to the falling economy, the IRS and others are willing to settle pennies on the dollar."

Must be Geithner's way of making amends :-)

Glad I don't have young kids today. It would be difficult to instill ethical, honest habits and respect for our country at the same time.

2nd, you're probably right.

It's funny...I played golf with a guy last year, famous guy, famous family, NY real estate billionairs. This guy is 87 YEARS OLD and I swear he's in better shape than me! No kidding, it's sad. Got to hand it to ya Jerry. And not a bad swing either.

Improving my trading...It sometimes seems that I was a better trader the day I started than I am now. And that's a sad statement of course. Once you've been raked over every conceivable way it can be hard to get back in the game. I find myself missing my own job but knowing I'd be no good at it now either. I used to castrate bulls on a ranch in Montana. Just kidding.

Re: 2nd, you're probably right.

shark- just ------- do it, alright? it will make you happier than any series of winning trades.

Re: Observations

You are absolutely right, this time it's not that clear-cut as with TARP. Let's recall what happened back then and find similarities and differences.

When original TARP went to the senate for discussion, the market exploded preparing its standard trap: move in expectation of the news pretty much pre-exhausting the reaction, make a short-lived initial move in the same direction when the news comes out, then reverse and move in opposite direction effectively trapping those who bought the news itself. That was what mostly happened, with only correction caused by two-step approval.

Let's see what is similar this time.

1. The market went up in expectation of the bill passage, setting up the same traditional trap (can't help but notice, no matter how many times it happened and was explained in numerous books and articles, it still works like charm).
2. Just the same as last time around, every headline saying "vote today - no, vote tomorrow - we have votes to pass - no we don't" immediately reflects in the market, showing the market's sensitivity to this event and confirming for observers that yes, this is what market wants in order to move up.

Now, differences, and this is where it gets interesting.

1. This is second time massive capital injection is being passed, and market often loses the intensity of the reaction as event repeats itself. The fact that the first one didn't really work doesn't help either.
2. Public doesn't seem to have much confidence in this stimulus bill and surely realizes the effect of it is not going to be immediate.
3. There are in fact two bills, not one - and the second one, financial help or second part of TARP, to be announced on Monday, is at least as or most likely more important for the immediate needs. Thus, there are a few things to react on and the market's reaction becomes more confused and confusing.
4. Very important one: unlike original TARP which was simply "let's pour money into it", this second part is actually carrying the content largely unknown yet. It's being pre-announced as financial reform, and this is a big unknown. What kind of conditions will be set, what strings will be attached, what changes will be introduced into whole system - market will want to see and analyze it all.
5. Finally - we are simply in a different place from where we were in Sept-Oct. A lot of digestion happened in the market, a lot of events developed, money changed hands, shares changed hands, geopolitics and worldwide financial cooperation (or lack of such) took place - thus, market accounts for all these new realizations by all the participants.

So... while generally it goes by the same old logistics so far, I am way less clear on what is going to happen. I'll start shaping up my working assumptions some time later... this was very productive and profitable but for some reason intense and tiring week.

Delphi going after retiree health benefits

http://tinyurl.com/ag9386

sounds like 15,000 nightmares coming true...

Re: Well i hope i dont regret not booking this 8.9% gain in FAS

you won't.

Re: Well i hope i dont regret not booking this 8.9% gain in FAS

2nd-In an early post you thought the next rally should stick. Sorry if the language is not exact. I took profits in V after the earnings, and have solid gains in PXP (18.38%), SQM (22.18%), CLB (13.25%), TBT (16.85%). Time to take profits or let this ride a little longer? I have been "trading around" all of these positions as they are now my core holdings. I can only trade for the first 2 hours of the day.....work and all.

Re: Well i hope i dont regret not booking this 8.9% gain in FAS

I agree. AH action on financials was positive, but we have a weekend to digest/worry.

I even hedged a bit expecting we give some up on Monday before the announcement, unless there is whisper news to family and friends that leaks out.....

I like Vadym's breakdown. He puts in print my internal evaluation/sentiment.
These events have taken the place of fed meetings since the fed blew their $$$ and have no ammo left.

WE are the new Fed....like we've always been.

Re: Well i hope i dont regret not booking this 8.9% gain in FAS

Mark- My 'take' includes a composite of the opinions of those I follow. (a) Cara is looking for a "multi-week directional move in the broad averages," and thinks the odds favor a breakout (from recent consolidation) to the upside. (b) Todd Harrison is looking for a move in the S&P500 to 1000 this spring. (c) I see a willingness to make bets on the short side. (d) The 'news' is bad and expected to get worse.

So I think selling/shorting the rallies is getting old, and maybe it's time to buy the dips or short the ultra-shorts. I also suspect that the flip side of David's "value destruction" may play out for awhile in the ultra-longs-> ie, "value creation." These are just my opinions, of course, and they come from someone with a higher-than-average risk profile. I don't know your risk profile, your time horizon(s), or your history. Based on the solid gains you have at this point, your trading style works well for you. I wouldn't mess with anything that's working. Those are nice trades ;)

Re: Bailout

Trade what u see, not what u believe.

Re: Well i hope i dont regret not booking this 8.9% gain in FAS

Thanks 2nd. I too have a high risk profile. Don't know why, always have, even before I started trading my account. I took over my account about 7 months ago down about 40%. I have traded and invested heavily to bring my losses down to about 20%. About 10% is due to increased size. 2 months ago I would have trimmed these positions. Now, obviously, I'm not so sure. I have learned so much from everyone here, and of course Bill. Thanks to all that have put up with my basic questions.
FD- I also own 25,550 shares of FTWR that I bought @ 1.45. Still like cellular back haul as a long term play, and think the company will make it. Knowing what I know now, I would have cut my losses a long time ago. Take a look at the price today if you have the stomach.

Re: BSI87.....PDS

u're welcome. Max pain is 7.50 for Feb. 6.83 is the 50 DEMA. See what happens.

Re: Monday

hard to know where resistance is but from 8475 up, it looks like tough going to me.

MGM

long at 6.30. Used a limit order for the day.

Imminent Gold Spike

Recent action on the Gold ETF strongly suggests a major spike in gold price is imminent...

Aside from the initial purchases to start the ETF, those three circled periods are the fastest three-month rates of increases in gold inventory and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what happens to the gold price during and after these periods.

With three weeks left in the month of February, the fund has already increased its gold holdings by 109 tonnes since December 1st, slightly behind the record three-month increase of 125 tonnes in January of 2006 that occurred just before the spring price peak which, in the chart above, looks like a footnote (these are month-end prices, so the $725 an ounce price in mid-May of 2006 does not appear).

Goldman Sachs figures it will go to $1,000 an ounce in the next three months (up from a timid forecast of just $700 not long ago) while UBS concurs with the $1,000 price target sometime in 2009 and Merrill Lynch projects a price of $1,500 sometime over the next 12-15 months.

http://tinyurl.com/brqf32

Re: Well i hope i dont regret not booking this 8.9% gain in FAS

I have a Schwab account and all of the ultra's come up"hard to borrow" on my trading screen. How do you do it besides going with the ultra longs?
NYU- Any thoughts on my previous post?

BAC

After watching Ken Lewis' interview today,twice, flatly stating BAC would need no additional TARP funds, I get the feeling he knows what is coming on Monday...Repeal of the "mark to market"?

Re: "value creation"

posted by 2nd_ave: "I also suspect that the flip side of David's "value destruction" may play out for awhile in the ultra-longs-> ie, "value creation.""

When ultra-longs have a multi-day rally, they rise by more than 2X relative to the underlying index. So if one picks them up at the right time (and sells them at the right time too), then one can do very well.

Since I don't have the short-term timing skills, I prefer to take "value" positions and wait however long it takes for my profit targets to be hit. For such kinds of "trades," which can extend over many weeks and many up-down cycles, shorting ultra-shorts is a safer bet than buying ultra-longs.

Re: "value creation"

David-I can't seem to do that at Schwab. Can you?

Regulators close failed banks in Ga., Calif.

Regulators close failed banks in Ga., Calif.
Friday February 6, 10:05 pm ET
By Marcy Gordon, AP Business Writer
Regulators close 2 failed banks in Calif., 1 in Georgia; 9 US bank failures this year

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Regulators on Friday closed FirstBank Financial Services in Georgia and two California banks, Alliance Bank and County Bank, marking nine failures this year of federally insured institutions.
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The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was appointed receiver of the three banks. FirstBank Financial, based in McDonough, Ga., had $337 million in assets and $279 million in deposits as of Dec. 31. Alliance Bank, based in Culver City, Calif., had about $1.14 billion in assets and $951 million in deposits as of year's end. Merced, Calif.-based County Bank had around $1.7 billion in assets and $1.3 billion in deposits as of Feb. 2.

Twenty-five U.S. banks failed last year, far more than in the previous five years combined. The six failures announced in the last two weeks are double the total for all of 2007.

It's expected that many more banks won't survive this year amid the pressures of tumbling home prices, rising mortgage foreclosures and tighter credit. Some may have to merge with other institutions.

The FDIC said FirstBank Financial's deposits will be assumed by Regions Bank in Birmingham, Ala. Its four branches will reopen Monday as offices of Regions Bank. Regions Bank also agreed to buy around $17 million of FirstBank's assets; the FDIC will retain the rest for eventual sale.

Alliance Bank's deposits will be assumed by San Diego-based California Bank & Trust, which also agreed to buy about $1.12 billion in assets. The FDIC will keep the rest for eventual sale. In addition, California Bank & Trust agreed to share losses on the assets with the FDIC. Alliance Bank's five branches will reopen Monday as offices of California Bank & Trust.

Westamerica Bank, based in San Rafael, Calif., agreed to purchase all the deposits and assets of County Bank. Westamerica also is sharing losses with the FDIC. County Bank's 39 branches will reopen as branches of Westamerica, some on Saturday and others on Monday

Re: Observations

Vad, terrific job taking the weeks events and breaking it down to what matters. Really appreciate your contribution to the discourse, always interesting and informative.

Re: "value creation"

Mark: what can't you do at Schwab? I have been using Scottrade until recently, but now I am switching to OptionsHouse -- can't beat $2.95 per stock trade and $9.95 per options trade flat fees!

Re: Regulators close failed banks in Ga., Calif.

Westamerica is my local bank. Dollar break-down not shown above..Westamerica puts up 93M, get's approval for 83M in new tarp funds. Seems orderly to me and keeps the government out of running banks.

Re: "value creation"

David- Wow, I pay $7.98/trade, flat fee. I will look at OptionsHouse, thanks. Every time I look at a ultra etf on my trading screen, Schwab marks it "hard to borrow". I have tried 3 times to short stocks when this notice was in place and all three times the trades were "voided" a couple of days latter.
Thanks for all of the back ground work you have done on the ultras. It has been very helpful.

Apple

A friend of mine who is a serial entrepreneur told me today his company has decided to go with the iPhone. The applications that can be written for the phone will allow them to better equip their field service force. They are a nation-wide company. ATT is giving them the phone for $100/piece. Maybe they will give RIMM a run for their money.

Re: "value creation"

"Every time I look at a ultra etf on my trading screen, Schwab marks it "hard to borrow".

That's probably because people are catching up to the fact that shorting ultra-shorts is free money. :) I think most people play with these intraday, and hence it is hard to find shares to short on the days when an ultra-short is going down. With my trading approach, I short them when they spike up, and on such days ultra-short "shorters" run for covers and it is easy to find shares to short.

Re: Well i hope i dont regret not booking this 8.9% gain in FAS

Hi Mark,

Were you asking me for my comments on your post re managing your own acct, trimming your losses, and FTWR? Wasnt sure if I was correct on that.

But here goes. (Disclosure I am still learning so please please take this as casual conversation)

Managing your own money = best choice unless you have zero time, zero interest, and have a successful business you need to run. My mantra is "No one cares about your money more than you." But with new regulations, if you had to hand your money over I would go the CTAB Advisor route. Congrats to trimming loses and keep the losses small as you can. Rule of thumb for me, once you lose more than 20%, you have to make up exponentially more than you lost, in percentage gain to break even. 50% loss needs 100% gain. 90% loss needs 900% gain.

Going to comment on trimming your losses by commenting about your FTWR. "Long haul" no longer exists (it may never have). Fight emotions when falling in love with a company/sector or when you hate a company/sector. Good example is I think Bill Cara hated Amazon for evil deeds, but yet he includes them in the Cara 100. I hate financial companies but i bought FAS. I am just starting to learn to see what works for that particular stock/group and apply the same again, but even then it fails often, so you have to be ready to jump ship. Someone said it best and I forget who so i apologize. Think of it like you are dating stocks, not loving/marrying them.

All you Solar investors...

"Senate Deal Strips Energy Tax Break From Stimulus Bill"

http://tinyurl.com/dj9q4d

Key senators agreed to drop from economic stimulus legislation a tax break intended to spur new investment in solar and wind energy, as they moved to shave $18 billion in tax cuts from the bill.

The provision would have allowed solar and wind firms, and investors in those projects, to get refunds for taxes paid up to five years prior to a new project's completion.

Re: All you Solar investors...

Maybe that's why FSLR fell today despite a big rally in the general market -- the senators could not keep quiet about their intentions...

Re: Well i hope i dont regret not booking this 8.9% gain in FAS

>Take a look at the price today if you have the stomach.

took a look Mark. Ran screaming from the computer. Still puts a shiver down my spine...

good luck with that one.

Les.

Saturday Morning Coffee (Special Edition)

http://tinyurl.com/c3h3vz

Vintage brew
- Terri Clark
- Janet Yellin' at us
- The plain truth
- The medical analogy
- Year-to-date
- Cara screen
- An example
- The DJIA RSI8(1) weekly status
- Rant completion

Click the video, listen and read for 3:51 for the full effect.

Have a great weekend.

Delphi going after retiree health benefits new

2nd_ave,

We've seen it happen locally with smaller companies, usually it starts with reductions first, but sometimes in one direct hit. Expect to see more.

I wonder if Delphi is still headed by J.T, Battenberg lll. This guy was mentioned in "Who will tell the people", by Richard Greider. The mayor of a small village near Delphi's Mexico facility asked for help with water and sanitation issues brought on by Delphi's native employees moving in. He was told not to press the request or he would simply abandon the facility and move to China where labor was even cheaper.

J.T. was reported in a WSJ article that year (April 14, 2003, pg R7) to have made $3,700,000 in salary and bonus and a total $ of $6,745,000 in direct compensation.

I wonder just how badly HIS health care and insurance will suffer.

Great Coffee....

All Caraistas should see that PG chart Ron. A lot of help for those wondering how it works. Not that we will have any easier a time sticking to the system!
Very illustrative.

when market get overbought

when market get overbought but then refuse to sell back to oversold territory, than it will keep going up and become more oversold. Soon this has to happen. So, I am thinking to bet as bullish
Buy, it also makes me think that violent move will occur. And if market might not go up a lot –it will go down a lot. And I should play bearish.
The market gapped higher Friday but upside breakouts has failed to hold in recent months.
Friday was best day so far this year for me
02/06/2009 YOU SOLD FAS
Shares: -1000.000 Price: $10.142
02/06/2009 YOU SOLD FITB
Shares: -4000.000 Price: $2.60
02/06/2009 YOU SOLD CLOSING TRANSACTION -OEWBR
Contracts: -10.000 Price: $22.00
02/06/2009 YOU SOLD RIO
Shares: -200.000 Price: $17.532
holding and added more UNG/UCO/USO/HNU and January 2011 Call option on SNDK/TXT/INTC

Re: Imminent Gold Spike

I don't like saying this, but when GS/ML/UBS, etc. forecast higher POG, my initial reaction is one of disbelief. The reasons are obvious, I can't recall too many of their analysts predictions coming true. As recently as yesterday though, I had the notion we'd see $1500 much before year end, but that may have been the cognac talking to me.

Regardless of how things play out, I don't see POG falling much from here, except for the purpose of providing trading opportunity. It's nice to own something that doesn't loose value in uncertain times.

I recommend readers go read

I recommend readers go read the Ray Dalio interview over at Barron's...very interesting.

Re: Delphi going after retiree health benefits new

"The mayor of a small village near Delphi's Mexico facility asked for help with water and sanitation issues brought on by Delphi's native employees moving in. He was told not to press the request or he would simply abandon the facility and move to China where labor was even cheaper."

The greed is just incredible, isn't it? This town could have clean water and sanitation for a small amount of money, comparatively speaking. Perhaps those 12 year-old Chinese will get their employment and these Mexicans will go back to deforestation in the mountainous regions of Mexico. I'll just call this the death of the American Monarch.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=...

Re: I recommend readers go read

"I recommend readers go read the Ray Dalio interview over at Barron's...very interesting."

Good article, thanks!

Try this link:
http://theeconomissed.blogspot.com/2009/02/barrons...

From a 2005 interview:

"Do you know that 44% of all corporate profits in the United States comes from the financial sector -- people who are shuffling money around? Only 10% comes from those who manufacture things."

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2005/07/ray...

New York Times this AM

Part of the Geithner welfare plan to protect the mafia run banks of NY instead of letting them go bankrupt.
It's all spiraling out of control at this stage of the ponzi scheme. Without good paying jobs, you will have a society of corruption and deceit. Taxpayers will never pay back all this stimulus money in a hundred years.

.....The banking plan will involve a close review of financial institutions, possibly including a so-called stress test to measure whether they have enough resources to weather a continued economic decline. It will also enable the government, when it provides a new round of investment, to convert the warrants for preferred stock it has already received from many institutions into common stock. The move, which essentially would swap debt for equity, would help relieve the balance sheets of those institutions, although it would also hurt other existing shareholders by diluting their common stock......

Re: BAC

repealing MTM - won't save their need for more capital as older assets will continue to perform worse.

It might dress up the appearance of their balance sheet but nothing more than that. It only address a symptom not the cause of the terminal disease.

How many CEOs or Gubermint higher ups in the past 15 months came out and said that they don't need capital or that the banking system is well capitalized? Countless... Don't believe them.

As far as purchasing their own shares? Well if you mad 22 million last year and you just spent just over a million to buy back shares, how much confidence is that, in your company?

Lets see some real skin, how about going out and investing in what you believe in! When i see them buy 2-3 million shares of their own stock, NOW WE ARE TALKING!

If we can't claw back their bonuses we should make them buy back their stock with old bonus money... or something like that.

Here mr executive - have a cup of toxic poison.

Singapore's SWF To Move Into Commodities/Mining Sector

No doubt other soveriegn wealth funds will soon follow as they replace their financial investments with those in commodities/mining...

Ho Ching, chief executive of Singaporean sovereign wealth fund Temasek, is unexpectedly stepping down to be replaced by Chip Goodyear, the former boss of mining group BHP Billiton.

It signals a change of direction for Temasek, which has 40pc of its $134bn (£91bn) fund in financial services, including an 18pc stake in London-listed emerging markets bank Standard Chartered.

Mr Goodyear was at BHP from 1999 to 2007 and analysts said yesterday that he was likely to take Temasek into the commodities and mining sector. The group has almost no holdings in this area at the moment.

Temasek is the smaller of Singapore's two sovereign wealth funds. The Government of Singapore Investment Corp (GIC) manages an estimated $300bn.

http://tinyurl.com/cpolnb

Who says?

Who says employment figures lag the equities market? Is the attached graph of employment vs population ratio not worth a thousand words? (Notice the Jan 2007 peak...)

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Re: when market get overbought

"when market get overbought but then refuse to sell back to oversold territory, than it will keep going up and become more oversold. Soon this has to happen. So, I am thinking to bet as bullish Buy, it also makes me think that violent move will occur. And if market might not go up a lot –it will go down a lot. And I should play bearish."

This sounds like straddles and why they have worked so phenomenally well and will likely continue to do so, and you get to sleep well at night without having to guess which direction the market will go and not worry about volatility, the next bombastic news, or approval or not of the next mega stimulus plan, etc.

Geithner article and financials. Let us discuss

http://tinyurl.com/ckyjr5

"U.S. bank plan to offer asset support, mortgage help"

Here is my observation/opinion.

Bottom line my thoughts are that this will temporarily lift financials, lending, refinancing and all equities for a bit. The mother of all bear market rallies.

But I also feel this is the mother of all Bear Traps. Longer term i dont think they have really fixed anything for the American People. Just a big band aid and pain killers for a fatal gun shot wound. If i am a CEO or a Gnome, I am getting ready to sell my stocks received as compensation, which all tanked the past 16 months, into this bear market rally.

For me personally my bet short term is fas. If i see any home price improvement this spring from the new $15,000 home buyer aid, I will also sell my two rental properties into the housing rally.

between now and next 24 months i would expect gold to become a world safe haven, when they see the limits of what fiat money can or can't fix. and i am sure war with Afghanistan and tensions with Iran will also fuel gold too.

Video of Ford plant in Brazil

I thought I would share this video of the most technologically advanced Ford assembly plant in the world. Cheers

http://tinyurl.com/c8p9n7

Re: Who says?

Very interesting CP. I had bought the laging indicator kool aid as well. I see that INDU peaked in the 1st half of October 2007, while the employment graph peaked in late 2006, a leading indicator at that point. I haven't been able to overlay the graphs, it would be interesting to see the employment graph, DJIA, S&P and NASDAQ all on the same graph.

SKF looks like its really going to break

30/50/200 DMA all converging to head lower.
http://tinyurl.com/d9hwnm

macd also rolling over

Re: Delphi going after retiree health benefits

"sounds like 15,000 nightmares coming true..."

This is what happens when your business falls off a cliff. The Japanese manufacturers don't have this kind of overhead to deal with (Ponder for a moment, the reasons for why they don't).

Re: Who says?

" I haven't been able to overlay the graphs, it would be interesting to see the employment graph, DJIA, S&P and NASDAQ all on the same graph.
Reply"

Oh I agree!!! If only I could get my hands on the raw data for these things I'd import them into Excel and start crunching numbers...

Re: SKF looks like its really going to break

It sure does, those last two candlesticks confirm a bearish engulfing but will instantly turn bullish if the TARP/Stimulus plan disappoints... Boy I wish I'd held onto my SKF from when I was trying to trade it around $114... Maybe I'll load up the truck at $110, cause this BS ain't over if they don't do something about housing (job losses + mortgage defaults = additional bank losses).

Re: SKF looks like its really going to break

I put OEX in your chart
http://tinyurl.com/anzbmx

Re: New York Times this AM

Bigwad,

I scoured my NY Times this morning looking for references to the "Mafia run banks" you reference in your post. There is no harsher critic of both banks and the Mafia than myself, so it was with great enthusiasm and interest that I searched for the reference you cite, but I was unable to find it. Could you provide either the appropriate reference to the Mafia actually running banks or please confirm that you meant your comments to be literary as opposed to literal.

German Economy Minister Resigns

Economic conditions continue to deteriorate globally...

German Economy Minister Michael Glos has offered his resignation, a ministry spokesman said on Saturday.

Glos, a conservative, informed Chancellor Angela Merkel of the letter to CSU party chief Horst Seehofer by telephone.

With Europe's largest economy facing the prospect of its deepest post-war recession, Merkel's government has agreed twin economic stimulus packages that it says are worth a combined 81 billion euros ($103.8 billion).

http://tinyurl.com/dfl84n

Re: SKF looks like its really going to break

CP you are speaking my language!

Great posts...

Have a look at this chart, I found doing some reading.
http://timeswampland.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/j...

Is this our "normal" recession?

It seems every-time we get into one, people say this is the worst, this one will be the worst that this generation has seen, may even challenge two generations.

When do we get real job growth, with productivity?

Re: SKF looks like its really going to break

Thank you EDC & CP The picture is not pretty but it is the truth.

More Job Loss stats

http://tinyurl.com/clavtd
http://tinyurl.com/bzhhrq
http://tinyurl.com/2ol36e

http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/02
CP - Possibly an answer to the Lagging indicator conundrum
"As you can see, we have had far more job losses relative to output losses than any major post-war recession. This does not mean that more output losses are not coming, but it means that, perhaps unique to this recession, job losses are preceding rather than following output losses — in other words, job losses are occurring more than in any other recession based on the expectation of output losses, rather than in reaction to them."

who says you can't find a job?/50 jobs in 50 states in 50 weeks

http://tinyurl.com/acpkqn

movie and book deals to boot...

Re: Who says?

Johnny, CP

Here's an overlay of Emp graph with DJIA, SP500 and the Naz. Would be better to have the raw data and plot it in Excel manually but this might help.

I did it by using PaintNet, free graphic editor, just copy in the Emp graph, then create another graph at Stockcharts (DJIA, SP500, Compq), then copy that into another layer in PaintNet, set the layer properties to be transparent, then move over the Emp chart and adjust the size to match. Then saved as a single layer gif and attached here.

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Re: Apple - ever stuck in its niche, despite its great gear

Apple has its typical problem: makes the best gear, but higher priced, seen as effete, considered by developers as closed vrs. the competition.

In phones, there's also the "fashion statement" effect. Movers and shakers use Blackberries, while hippies and teens and poets use iphones.

My blackberry has excellent hardware, clunky unimaginative software. I spent 2 hours with tech support just to download the newest BB OS update.I've read the BB touchscreen is nowhere near as userfriendly as iphone.

But after Obama emerged as blackberry man, and now the lady BB pearl flip, doesn't that dig Apple deeper into its accustomed fashion and market ghetto?

Re: I recommend readers go read

I 2nd your recommendation after the Chicken.

Stimulus / Trainwreck

A couple of images to help put things in perspective:

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Re: Who says?

Quasi - Good work, quite impressive!

Re: New York Times this AM

Shark

The first paragraph was me speaking the God's honest truth out loud. The Times wouldn't dare say Mafia and NY banks in the same article. Everyone with a little common sense knows there is no correlation! Well, maybe me, or possibly you.

The second paragraph was the Times article referring to the second half of the 700 billion TARP welfare plan for the banks unfolding right before your very eyes comes Monday morning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/business/economy...

The New Senate PlanThe

The New Senate Plan
The compromise reached by Democratic leaders with moderate Republicans involves cuts to spending and tax-credit provisions in the stimulus bill before the Senate, including:
Here is three two of five cut they agree on
A $500 payroll tax credit for people earning less than $75,000
An expansion of tax credits for low-income workers with children

it says a lot about what they found to cut?
http://tinyurl.com/by8o62

Re: Who says?

CP,
"Oh I agree!!! If only I could get my hands on the raw data for these things I'd import them into Excel and start crunching numbers..."

Its all there, not sure where you got your original chart, but I found the same thing under the Bureau of Labor & Statistics site. They have a option, under the more formatting section, to display the data in a text, comma separated data format. Then just bring that into Excel.

For the stock index data, I just go to Yahoo, pull up the index and then select the historical prices page, set to monthly and then go to the bottom and select the download to spreadsheet option.

Now you've got it all in an Excel spreadsheet, crunch away.

Re: SKF looks like its really going to break

norm - "Is this our "normal" recession?"

Well, I think not... Going by your chart, the previous two recessions are progressively worse in chronological order and obviously (assuming your chart is correct), this recession exceeds the magnitude of the previous two in all aspects.

There are a number of things about this recession that are quite different than previous recessions: a) The US trade imbalance is much greater than ever before. b) Real Estate prices have fallen dramatically and likely to fall more than ever before. c) Federal deficit is at an all time high. d) Deflation is appearing across the board (CPI is negative).

On and on, I'm no economist, just a schmuck trying to get his arms around the concepts.

Re: I recommend readers go read

rayg - Quite a good article. Thank you.

Dr. Cosa would be happy with the comments on gold.

I liked "From the U.S. point of view, we want a devaluation. A devaluation gets your pricing in line. When there is a deflationary environment, you want your currency to go down. When you have a lot of foreign debt denominated in your currency, you want to create relief by having your currency go down. All major currency devaluations have triggered stock-market rallies throughout the world; one of the best ways to trigger a stock-market rally is to devalue your currency."

and "A wave of currency devaluations and strong gold will serve to negate deflationary pressures, bringing inflation to a low, positive number rather than producing unacceptably high inflation -- and that will last for as far as I can see out, roughly about two years."

It was worth the time to read.

Re: Who says?

Quasi - Thanks, I'll give it a whirl and post my results.

Re: Who says?

Quasi & CP. Thank you for your efforts here.

Next leg down

Here are some excerpts from the latest John Mauldin's letter:

"If earnings don't come in dramatically better for the first quarter as opposed to last quarter, we could be setting up for a nasty summer bear market. ... I see nothing on the horizon which suggests the economy is going to get manifestly stronger in the next two quarters. The real risk is that earnings come in weak for both quarters and investors simply despair this summer, throwing in the towel and bringing about a vicious bear market. I would seriously consider hedging any long positions you have before earnings season this next April. If they come in stronger, then we will see."

"The stimulus package is simply a pork-laden, misguided piece of legislation. ... There is way too much spending on items that have very little current effect on the economy. ... I am in principle in favor of a deep and large stimulus package. We need one, but what is on tap is not what will stimulate real job growth. All it does is create more debt that will have to be paid later by our kids."

I think the stock market is behaving now as if some noticeable economic improvements will come by the 2nd half of the year from the fiscal stimulus and bank aid plans. If what John Mauldin says about the proposed fiscal stimulus is true, then economy might keep getting worse throughout the whole 2009. And when the reality finally destroys hopes, we MIGHT very well get another nasty leg down in the stock market.

So as I wrote some time ago, my "working assumptions and game plan" have not changed. I agree with Don Coxe's observation that the recent great performance of commodities is setting up a nice general stock market rally. However, I think that it will be a bear market rally, and as 2nd_ave said, "it will be a rally we should all sell into." In particular, it will be very important to get rid of all ultra-long ETFs at the top, since they will lose 20-30% of their value if the market breaks down in May and comes back in 6 months. If the market comes back 1 year later to the same point, then the ultra-long ETFs will lose 50-60% of value during that year.

As for oil ETFs, another interesting fact I picked up from the latest Don Coxe's conference call (which turned out to be publicly available) is that the current situation is "eerily" similar to the 1974, and at that time oil was in contango for many years. Contango, he says, is a natural state of the oil market. Hence, keeping oil ETFs now long-term would encounter A LOT of headwind (I wrote more on this topic on Friday, when I said that I am all out of UCO and will now play ACI/BTU/SLX instead).

Re: SKF looks like its really going to break

We could add more to that list CP!

add global imbalances are way out of wack.

essentially a negative or zero savings rate, so joe/jane6pack can't participate by spending out of this recession like we did in 2002

All assets were increased by credit expansion or "fantasy land" of unsustainable prices, now we have the charlatans doing everything in their power to pass the buck on to the taxpayer to maintain "fantasy land" prices.

I encourage many readers to read this blog post below, from Denninger
http://tinyurl.com/cdblde

I really hope "they" don't get away with it.

We need to mark these assets to the value they are trading at about 25 cents on the dollar. Wipe out the equity and debt holders of the banks and allow Pensions and others (not accredited) investors get first crack at the new system first.

Re: SKF looks like its really going to break

norm - Yes, Denninger has it right. I also think Obama understands what's going on... I saw this on his face the day he visited GW at the white house, he seemed to have a very long face after that visit.

Re: SKF looks like its really going to break

Thanks EDC. The more I read the more worried I become. The article cleared up a number of misconceptions I held.

Scottrade Charts

From Shark yesterday .... "Also, I love the new 2 minute charts that Scottrade has. Seems better than either 1 minute or 5 minute ones in a lot of cases."

I too. Also the 13 minute chart seems nicer than 10 for the gist of the last several days.

The only "new" thing I don't like is that they have immobilized the ability to expand the chart to the right. I now live with too much white space on right.

"Banks Must Modify Loans for Aid"

http://tinyurl.com/dxxz4h

SCORE thus far
American People = 1
HB&B = 3.2 Trillion

Re: Scottrade Charts

I too don't like the immobilized chart margins, but for the opposite reason - I liked being able to move the right margin to the left, creating "future" space, so that I could extend trend lines into the future, and then pull the margin back to the right so I didn't have the white space. Let's hope it's just a bug and not a "feature".

indicative of what Bill has been saying about crooks in charge

http://optionsforemployees.com/articles/article.ph...

This sounds criminal, but I imagine it is not. Some animals are......

Is this our "normal" recession?

EDC, (Thanks? — for the dramatic chart) CP, Johnny, 2nd_ave,

We hear a lot of talk as to whether the current situation is like the 1930s Great Depression or not. The nay-sayers point to the 25% or so, unemployment. While "official" data are rising, so far we are not there.

Forty years ago I was 6' 2" and my two sons were not close to my height. Today we celebrate my older son's 47th birthday — he is now 6' 5" and his "little brother is 6"4".

We just don't know yet and may not get an admission of a 25% rate any time soon, but it may be wise not to assume the data are all in yet. But... Do we have any reason to think congress will make wiser decisions now than back then?

[Side note: The Obama administration has announced it is taking the next census report directly into the White House. Does Rahm have something in mind?]

Census

Yes, Rahm has in mind NOT putting the census in the hands of Commerce Secty. Judd Gregg who wanted to eliminate the commerce dept. (and the census) as a Senator. Sounds like Rahm has his thinking cap on to me.

who says you can't find a job?

2nd_ave,

I notice Daniel Seddiqui is 26 years old, with a bachelor's degree. He makes no mention of a wife and/or kids.

Before you jump to any conclusions try a bit of "What If?" alternative thinking.

Better still, read "Nickle and Dimed" by Barbara Erhrenreich and "Selling Ben Cheever" by Benjamin Cheever (son of author John Cheever) These are similar stories with a far different picture.

-----------------

What If?

You are 45 to 50, one kid in college, another a senior in high school. Your employer has just announced the shift in operations to China. You have just lost the only job you ever had — worked your way up to a supervisory slot. Your 401(k) plan is your major investment other than your house. Any withdrawal will be penalized 10%.

The company has been the major employer in your city for nearly a century, now everyone is looking for work, the local housing market is suddenly flooded with homes, and you still owe $thousands on the mortgage.

You are trapped.

This is far more likely than the upbeat situation in Daniel Seddiqui's article. The movie rights will be shared with the hundreds of thousands, no, millions who are ahead of you in line.

Census

Craig,

"Sounds like Rahm has his thinking cap on to me."

Yes, that's what bothers me.

If the administration feels Judd Gregg is not going to do a good job...

A. Did they only appoint him to get credit for "reaching across the isle"?

B. Is this another example of their wacky vetting?

C. Do they recognize just how much money is allocated based on census data?

(Hint: skip A.& B.)

Re: Is this our "normal" recession?

"[Side note: The Obama administration has announced it is taking the next census report directly into the White House. Does Rahm have something in mind?]:

Grym

This is what scares me - the executive branch should not be allowed to have these powers... We can't trust our gubermint and we must maintain a check and balance.

Make my words, there is no benefit behind allowing the ChiTown Cronies to get away with crap.

Thank gosh the states are already catching on!

http://tinyurl.com/d5d4yw

Read post from blog, read comments below. It appears that 7 states are following New Hampshire's HCR - 6 (Jeffersonian Principles) and perhaps another 7 are in queue.

This is huge as it will reaffirm the states rights and potential succeed from the union.

Census

Of course they understand funding is based on the census, as did their predecessors that purposely under-counted various segments of our society for THEIR own purposes.

What has been the result? How are we doing? LOL!
More poor and unemployed than EVER. Do you mind if we switch now?

I would assume there are both practical reasons (Gregg's obvious high qualifications) as well as a political component. DUH!
Is this news or revelation? Hardly.

As for states rights, California has a marijuana industry that is quite public and flies in the face of federal drug laws, as does California's insistence on setting it's own pollution standards. Also not news. Try some big offshore drilling push off Florida or California and watch States rights swing into action! This is a constant legal battle over federal/local control. Even to the point of some on one side or the other forgetting we have a federal Constitution that includes equal civil rights for ALL citizens regardless of the state they live in. Really not new as we already had this struggle over education standards and local control by religious groups wanting vouchers, prayer in public schools, eliminating half the biology curriculum (Happy B'Day Darwin!)and various other political views. We still have a Dept. of Education that sets basic standards. One could argue from either side it's good or sucks, which probably makes it relatively effective (seeing that it pisses off both sides equally).

People sometimes exhibit the most astonishing ignorance of our government.

Who the heck do we think carries out governmental business? Who executes the legislation passed by the legislative branch?

THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH DOES THAT. The Legislative branch has ZERO governmental departments outside of it's oversight of the Executive branch's work. The Judicial has ZERO governmental departments.

Anyone suggesting business (like the census) be done some other way is suggesting we operate outside of our Constitutional framework for their political gains/purposes.

I think it would be very useful and educational if everyone served on a Board of Directors, school board or some other organization run by parliamentary procedure/Robert's Rules of Order, where they could learn basic organizational structure of government, business and various other civic and private groups.

They are the same. Boards of Directors (legislative equals)do not carry out company work. The CEO (and various other corporate executive officers) see to that and the Board orders and oversees said work.
Same for government.
This is basic stuff and it's going to frustrate you if you don't understand the structure and functions of government, business and various public organizations. They all have purposes, Constitutions, Executive Officers and Boards of Directors. They also operate under state or federal law and thus also have a judicial component.

Re: who says you can't find a job?/the boiled frog, NOT

"Before you jump to any conclusions try a bit of "What If?" alternative thinking."

Grym- I enjoy your posts, but they tend to be kind of grim...only half-joking..

The Daniel Seddiqui link was in fact (a) an alternative viewpoint, (b) not meant to apply to everyone, and (c) not meant to be taken seriously either as a viewpoint or one that (necessarily) applies to anyone but him. I just thought he came up with a creative solution that worked for him, and that anyone else out of a job may be inspired to come up with an equally creative approach to their own situation.

Speaking of alternative viewpoints, I was pondering the recent rise in media stories using sensory adaptation (the "boiled frog phenomenon") to illustrate how investors are just now waking up to the fact that their portfolios/mortgages/dreams somehow got 'cooked' by a combination of misguided monetary policies and Wall Street greed. Maybe. On the other hand, I wouldn't be too eager to buy into that viewpoint.

Positive examples of sensory adaptation in life greatly outweigh the negative stories:

(a) We all grow up with 'role models' or mental images of the man/woman we want to be. Somehow, over a generation or so, we somehow find we've become the person we wanted to be. One day we look in the mirror and (hopefully) see that image looking back. But we've been completely unaware of the process, which occurred in the small decisions we make each day.

(b) I see examples on this blog of people who found themselves caught in last fall's downdraft, but who have taken small steps each day to work their portfolios back. They will one day wake up to find balances back to where they were, along with the skills necessary to keep them growing. In stark contrast to the frogs who remain convinced they have been cooked, and have given up.

(c) ["Forty years ago I was 6' 2" and my two sons were not close to my height. Today we celebrate my older son's 47th birthday — he is now 6' 5" and his 'little' brother is 6'4".] Another great example of sensory adaptation. Forty years ago I was a high school freshman with little sense of my 'self.' I was maybe 5'8" and looked 'up' to adults who were taller and (seemingly) more self-possessed. Today I am 6'1", still childishly hoping my youngest will someday surpass me in height (not blind to what 'works' in this world) and will (usually) 'see' a person for who he is, with a lifetime of acquired sensitivities/understandings/empathy to guide my perceptions.

(d) Things are in fact grim right now. But why not look beyond that to a more optimistic future? If you don't have optimism, it lessens your chances of making positive moves. Was it Hoover's policies that brought American out of the Depression? Was it WWII? Who really knows? What we do know is each American made small decisions on a daily basis for his/her family or at his/her job, and they somehow added up to an era of prosperity that gave most of us here childhood experiences unmatched anywhere else in the world. I think we come out of this recession easier than people think. I also think we continue to underestimate Obama's capabilities- he will leave behind a great legacy. Can't stay grim, Grym.

news-driven cross currents in financials this week

http://tinyurl.com/chxks7

"[Larry Summers} said Sunday that new, soon-to-be-announced financial measures by the Treasury will include creating incentives for the private sector to invest in troubled banks.

"One measure the Treasury is considering would create a "bad bank" or "aggregator bank" that would buy illiquid mortgage securities. It would be partly funded by some of the remaining money from the existing $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program fund, but the majority of the funds would come from the private sector, according to a Wall Street Journal report Sunday.

"In addition to the creation of a bad bank, the Treasury plans to guarantee mortgage securities, provide new capital injections into financial institutions, help out troubled homeowners on the verge of foreclosure and expand a consumer lending program.
Geithner was scheduled to propose a "comprehensive" financial rescue plan Monday, but Summers said the announcement of such a program won't take place until later this week."

Re: Census

Craig,

The whole point of a Republic is to serve the people. The executive branch has gotten out of hand, no thanks to our prior leader GW. The people used to be on top and the government was below, well over the past 100 years that has flipped.

Creating a Czar or new position or cabinet post or more government is the problem. It takes money from the private sector and puts it in your governments hands.

The white house can't even VET their own cabinet leaders. Something is obvious, either someone is so arrogant they didn't care to stop and think. Or these players were pre-selected by the "committee" before. Either reason is absurd. We have elected GW2 into office except this guy has a 80% approval rating, which will only go down. Noting absolutely nothing he has done so far has benefited our society. Maybe one, thing as far as setting up a transparency website about how money is being allocated and spent, but will be nothing more than a slight of hand, nothing else.

The crime continues and the sheeple have "hope".

States rights - Cali - Cali is the worst state in the union, I feel for those who live there as I have many friends. This state is so mismanaged it is sad and despicable. Blame arnold yeah we can but we must blame the entitled citizens, yes you and all of you. Simple fact is the state hands out to much freebie stuff, we are a republic not a socialist society. More socialistic stuff, pulls or creates more "fantasy land". Meaning, more public support, more wasted dollars and more money must be created which destroys actual wealth around the rest of the union.

Anything that the gubermint charges for control is Mal-investment, nothing more than that. It is part of the problem.

HCR - 6 - reaffirms the states rights - if the Government crosses the line, federal government, then it is DONE! Gone. The point of our republic was that States came together to form it. Hence the ratification process of the constitution. We are nothing more than the "united states" not America. We speak english, not american. We must realize and remember that state rights should supersede federal rights.

As time goes, on and the credit crisis morphs into the economic crisis, social mood will change, behaviors will change.

The revolution will start and I applaud those states who are putting forth such legislation. That is the first step to get the ball rolling. The larger this government gets, the longer it will take to get this crisis past us.

A new idea

I've come to a startling conclusion in the past couple of years. Namely, there is presently no predictive theory of equity prices that is accurate enough to risk money with.

Practically speaking, I have concluded that my attempts, many failed, to suggest to the group stocks that may work out has a result that isn't any better, or at least is not significantly better than chance would provide. Since I have enough to worry about losing my own capital in these mad, crazy markets, the idea of my suggesting investment ideas to others is, as is true of 99 percent of all professional touts, pure folly. The psychic pain of losing people's money for them in the sevice of aggrandizing my own ego is again, a fools game.

I am also concluding that this activity is a necessary evil for those with large amounts of capital, and is about the worst way to accumulate capital for those with very little. There is no other forum in life in which the competition is as fierce, the opponents as well armed, and the outcomes less predictable than in the stock market.

It is the case, in my estimation that success in this endeavour is predicated on chance. Yes, chance. Of course, it is in truth the intersection of great skill and great luck, but I suggest....
Of those who take the GMAT or the LSAT and get near perfect scores, I assert that doing so is partially skill and partially a matter of luck. That means that he who scores perfectly and is accepted to Harvard Law is statistically little different that he who scored right 70 percent of the time and winds up going to Pace. It's a question of guessing right on the remaining questions, those one is unable or hasn't time to answer, which may be as many as say, 30 questions out of a hundred. I'm not a statistitian but the law of large numbers or something dictates that if 300,000 people guess on 30 questions each having 5 possible answers, most will get about 20 percent right, a few will get them all wrong and a very few will get many of them right, it could be charted on a bell curve. Since a great many of the testees are similarly skilled, the tests are awesomely hard and even an idiot savant would be left guessing a good deal of the time, if only because of the time limitations, I conclude that wild success or dismal failure on the GMAT or the LSAT is, in truth, among those qualified and studied applicants, greatly a matter of luck.

I intend to limit my future postings to matters of, hopefully, general interest, and oddly, personal matters which interest me a lot more than stocks. I will try to keep it interesting for all, particularly Bill.

Finally I would advise anyone to take with a serious mine of salt the prognostications of any stock market guru. They don't have a spectacular record of success, overall.

Finally I just want to mention that life really does suck, doesn't it? People are really depraved, untrustworthy and downright frightening, particularly my sister who feels compelled to go apeshit every single weekend over the one thing I didn't do or did wrong, as opposed to the ten things I did right.

I've had more than enough of this shit, and I truly can't take it anymore.

Please save yourselves while there's still time.

Yikes....

Okay shark, My Mom had a 911 call yesterday and had a massive heart attack and seizure in the ER. They shocked her twice and brought her back, but told us to not expect her to survive. She was too weak for angio so they put her on a clot buster med and a while later she was arguing with the nurses, so I know her inner Irish is coming out and she will be fine. The critical time is the next 48 hours.

How's THAT for perspective?

Maybe we can get your sister and my brother together for some group torture.
Hang in there.....

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I hope your mother comes out fine, Craig... Hang in there!

"Bank bailout plan postponed until Tuesday"

http://tinyurl.com/bne23v
"Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner will unveil the eagerly-awaited announcement of the TARP overhaul a day later than planned in order to focus on stimulus."

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Shark, go to the library check out and read Perry Kaufman's "Trading Systems and Methods." It will give you great insights into your question of pure chance and stock picking. His book on Smarter Trading is interesting also.

Fortune's Formula by William Poundstone is a great read on the casinos and wall street.

I have not read Trading Systems and Methods in 15 or 20 years, I think I'm going to the library and re-read it myself.

PS. I posted Shark Attacked Tamed, it has been my computer back ground for years since it reminds me of the players we battle with in the markets. The photo is from the North Shore of Oahu off Haleiwa. The man in the photo (forget his name) was a thrill seeker. He died about a year after swimming with that great white shark jumping off cliffs and his parachute failed to open.

Paulson's Q408 report

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I'm wishing your mom well Craig, take good care of her.

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NYU- Thanks for the comments on Friday. Any one get the feeling these guys don't know what to do and are afraid to pull the trigger? Afraid of the markets reaction and plunging us deeper in this recession?
Took the family out for dinner last night under the guise of a "family night out". When in fact I was interested in seeing how busy some of the local chains were fairing. (Think Outback Steak House type.) Much to my surprise, all for of the places we went to had lines out the door and long waits. We finally found a place where the wait was only 1/2 hour. But buy then it was 9:00.
Shark- I hope all works out. I know I'm new here and hope you take this the way it is intended; simply a few words from someone who went down a very slippery slope with booze a long time ago and made it out. No, I'm not in AA or anything along those lines. I just found my life was much easier and more profitable cutting back. Take care. As 2nd pointed out earlier, I too had people I looked up to as a kid and wanted/hoped that some day I might be the one my kids see when they look in the mirror years from now. Take care.

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Ditto Craig. You sound like the type of person well prepared to handle this. Good luck to you and your family.

Today in market

Helium was up, feathers were down. Paper was stationary.
Fluorescent tubing was dimmed in light trading. Knives were up sharply.
Cows steered into a bull market. Pencils lost a few points.
Hiking equipment was trailing.
Elevators rose, while escalators continued their slow decline.
Weights were up in heavy trading.
Light switches were off.
Mining equipment hit rock bottom. Diapers remain unchanged.
Shipping lines stayed at an even keel.
The market for raisins dried up.
Coca Cola fizzled.
Caterpillar stock inched up a bit.
Sun peaked at midday.
Balloon prices were inflated.
And Scott Tissue touched a new bottom.
And batteries exploded in an attempt to recharge the market...

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Craig- Just got back from errands, and must have missed your post by minutes. Sorry to hear that. Whatever else happens in this life, family always comes first. All the best.

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Craig
tender loving care has uniformly been recognized as a valuable element in healing
Good luck to you and your family

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"Cows steered into a bull market."

Were the bears hibernating?

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Craig,

You are my brother and will always be.

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Best wishes to your mother Craig.

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My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family, Craig.

Regards,
BH

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LOL

BEST market summary Ive seen in a long time!Printed and framed.

Here comes the attack on free speech

After decimating the Republicans, one has to wonder what they are worried about.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=8...

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