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Cara's Commentary & Community Chat, Fri., May 15, 2009

[7:33am ET] We questioned at the time the appropriateness of various sovereign wealth funds investing massive sums in the equity of Humungous Bank & Broker (HB&B) at the long-term cycle top in 2007 and early 2008. By now, the results are obvious.

Bloomberg reported today that Singapore state-owned Temasek Holdings, which had paid $5.9 billion to buy a 3.8 percent stake in Merrill Lynch at various times since 2007, later took a loss of $4.6 billion on that investment. In less than 18 months, Temasek sold the position in 1Q2009 for $1.27 billion.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=ag29caaNeCls&refer=us

Buy high; sell low.

With investment wizards like theirs on board, is it any wonder why US Treasuries have been such an easy sell?

Have a great day.


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1100 GM dealers sent terminaton letters today

This is according to a report on bloomberg.

Market Direction on Opex

Reminds me of an old Yardbirds song:

Over under sideways down,
Backwards forwards square and round.
Over under sideways down,
Backwards forwards square and round.
When will it end, when will it end,
When will it end, when will it end.

Selling at the top

The guy who owned our Toyota dealership sold a couple of years ago at the top. Smart. The Cadillac dealership here in town closed a couple of years ago. Probably also smart. My old friends who built a chain of 8 or 9 patio furniture stores did not sell out at the top and now, instead of harvesting millions, they are sitting on a mountain of debt and slow sales. Stupid.

Everything's a trade isn't it? We marry the pretty young thing because, all things being equal, we 'aint likely to do this well in the forseeable. For even the most thriving business there is a time to sell. And I just want to raise a salute to those with the good sense to cash in their chips, walk away from the table, and turn out the lights on this now-dead American Dream.

Welcome to the U.K., Mate! We're England now, and it's 1973.

For which markets does this analyst see risk aversion?

Europe only or the US as well? Will more money flood to the US as US economists "yipeekiyay" (just finished watching Die hard 4) their outlooks for the US economy in 2009?

May 15 (Bloomberg) -- The euro fell and European government bonds rose after the region’s economy shrank the most in 13 years in the first quarter.

The euro dropped 1.5 percent against the yen, the fourth decline this week and the most in two days, and slid 0.5 percent versus the dollar at 12:15 a.m. in London, while the yield on the 10-year German bund fell three basis points. The MSCI World Index of stocks climbed 0.3 percent, trimming its first weekly drop in two months, as Barclays Plc led a rally in financial shares. Standard & Poor’s 500 Index futures declined 0.7 percent.

“The markets seem to be suggesting a real danger that we are about to see a six- to eight-week period that is very risk- negative,” Citigroup Inc. currency strategists Tom Fitzpatrick in New York and London-based Shyam Devani wrote in a note to clients.

RE:> Temasec Holdings

Good. Burning their hard earned dollars might convince the obedient, yet increasingly restless population of Singapore that the oligopoly running the show has something to answer for.

Re: Selling at the top

Ah yes the UK in 1973, I remember it well , I was 12 years old then,I remember going shopping with my father to the supermarket, each week we would stock up with as many goods as we could that we knewwould be more expensive the next week(Stagflation),i.e. sugar ,tinned foods,bread, etc. I was just talking to my Uncle last week, he is a sheep farmer, he says he gets 50% more for his stock at market this year compared to last,higher prices than he has seen before,yet he also says he needs more money because it is costing more for him when he shops.deja vu.Of course according to government statistics inflation is low. The people here in the UK have no trust in the government and politicians, the latest debacle being many politicians have been discovered abusing the expenses allowances and have been caught red handed with their fingers in the tax payers till.

"But there is little doubt now the expenses row will have a dramatic impact on the political futures not just of individual MPs but their parties. "
see link
http://tinyurl.com/oytycd

SEC....surrender Dorothy...

Bloomberg headline this AM: Two SEC Lawyers Investigated by FBI on Insider-Trading Concerns

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive...

Trade Wars Begin

Recent events seem to be following those of the Great Depression...

Ordered by Congress to "buy American" when spending money from the $787 billion stimulus package, the town of Peru, Ind., stunned its Canadian supplier by rejecting sewage pumps made outside of Toronto. After a Navy official spotted Canadian pipe fittings in a construction project at Camp Pendleton, Calif., they were hauled out of the ground and replaced with American versions. In recent weeks, other Canadian manufacturers doing business with U.S. state and local governments say they have been besieged with requests to sign affidavits pledging that they will only supply materials made in the USA.

Outrage spread in Canada, with the Toronto Star last week bemoaning "a plague of protectionist measures in the U.S." and Canadian companies openly fretting about having to shift jobs to the United States to meet made-in-the-USA requirements. This week, the Canadians fired back. A number of Ontario towns, with a collective population of nearly 500,000, retaliated with measures effectively barring U.S. companies from their municipal contracts -- the first shot in a larger campaign that could shut U.S. companies out of billions of dollars worth of Canadian projects.

http://tinyurl.com/pzuhh5

A little off topic

I was just reading in The Times about the nonsense surrounding the re-build of the World Trade Center. For some bizarre reason the name has been changed, no longer will the project be known by the Orwellian moniker "Freedom Tower". In fact money for the build is still elusive, but on to my point...

I witnessed the 911 attack from the roof of my office building (at the time) on 36th and Broadway. And what I witnessed was not a terrorist attack. It was a military attack, coordinated and facilitated at the highest levels, plain and simple. I saw what I saw and I'm not going into details.

But now the gov wants to steal the land of PA farmers via eminent domain so that they can strain our budget further in order to build the:

Flight 93 Memorial

No disrespect to the victims of that flight. None at all. From their perspective the thing was tragic. But did the flight really play out as the gov said? All I know is, if our defence forces were in earnest in their attempts to stop the planes, then gov had all the time in the world and every opportunity to do the right thing and to blast that plane out of the sky with a sidewinder missle, which is exactly what I guess did happen. But the people could not absorb that aspect of the tragedy, not on that day or probably any day. So a story was concocted. And that story may have been occuring simultaneously to the shoot down. Afterward, the area was cordoned for miles around Rosell-style and NEVER, and I mean NEVER was there seen a photo of that plane "crash". In fact, no parts of that plane were ever seen, nor collected and re-assembled as is common practice.

THERE IS NO PHOTO OF THE CRASH OF FLIGHT 93 because there was most probably nothing/little left to photograph.

Ok. I'm not being judgemental, only realistic. But do we really need to steal a farmer's land and spend a couple hundred million to build a memorial to a mistake, or worse, to an act of high treason?

And why BTW does Obama work overtime trying to cover up Georgie Bush's war crimes? Really bro...Ease up on the cover-up.

FTWR

CP- Sold 1/2 after the earnings, .64 I think, which I posted. Other half still under my pillow, but it is starting to keep me up at night. So I might put it on my night stand to keep a better eye on it. No news on my end, but they have enough cash through 2011.

Re: A little off topic

"And why BTW does Obama work overtime trying to cover up Georgie Bush's war crimes? Really bro...Ease up on the cover-up."

He is doing what I suspected would happen with whomever was the next White House occupant.

He now sees the daily intel reports. If there was/is a threat to US security, an attack defused, or a terrorist apprehended in a major US city — he cannot and should not announce it. Just as in your scenario of a plane shot down any such news would aid the enemy and scare the population into avoiding travel.

During WWII news was managed as it was in all wars. This is, as you pointed out of 9/11, a war — not just a group of pissed off, disorganized religious nuts committing criminal acts.

who is buying big on AUY? Someone thinking its going to 1000?

Word is on the street, is it? Buy gold.

A pump and dump?

Re: A little off topic

Why do we think the Bush admin reacted the way they did? Because it WAS a military attack meant to take out the TOP of our government.
The Pentagon, the Whitehouse, the Capital and WTC. Osama is a big planner.

It is the only thing that justifies their response, which if taken on the surface, looks a little overdone.
That's why there was so much secrecy. Dicks house is blurred out of Google Earth and GW was kept in the air until they found a secure military base to set him down at. Osama scared the daylights out of Bush/Cheney.
Remember, these guys are chickenhawks, they only shoot their friends, they've never been shot at....they were privileged draft dodgers.

I don't think anything is explained or fits a conspiracy theory.

DRYS

DRYS going ballistic on news they received a waiver on $600m+ of debt from HSH Nordbank. Looks like they might try to close this one on the $7.50 strike for op-ex.

SunTrust to sell $1.25B in stock, cut its dividend

The bank says it plans to increase its common equity by a total of $2.2 billion through a series of actions that include the common stock offering, the sale of selected securities and other assets and the exchange of preferred shares to common shares.

The company is also cutting its dividend to 1 cent from 10 cents.

http://tinyurl.com/q8mpq5

MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Bill wrote: Today, the EU announced a fine of $1.45 billion levied against Intel (INTC) for predatory pricing practices that disadvantaged Advanced Micro Devices (AMD). Intel said it would appeal. With advance knowledge, however, some traders sold INTC heavily for the past couple days. Regulators ought to investigate and prosecute.

Reading the basis of the EU's ruling against Intel is a perfect example of rationalization to "legally" tax, punish, and confiscate from the successful elements of society to reward those who do not measure up on their own efforts, and to fatten the coffers of Socialist regimes that are in themselves failures. I do not want to see one penny being paid to assuage these thieves, who sanctimoniously present themselves as protectors, but are actually a taxing and confiscatory arm to keep everyone at one constant mediocre level. These people think with their feelings not with their intellect.

If AMD's products were so wonderful the public would be demanding them over Intel's, and no rebates or other incentives would have had any impact. Furthermore, no retailers would have kept AMD's products off their shelves if their customers demanded them, and there are numerous publications that test these products and rate their performance, on which customers base their buying decisions. I did not hear any complaints from the EU when AMD was taking market share away from Intel a few years ago, stating that the playing field should be changed.

The EU is only the tip of the iceberg. In our own country this cap and trade legislation is an rationalization to significantly increase taxes based on bogus nonsense. All business leaders and citizens concerned with preserving liberty should organize to thwart the socialist group of Pollyannas in Washington. All the representatives in Washington know how to do is to investigate and prosecute. Where are the iniatives on making the United States energy independent (more nuclear power, further oil exploration, hydrogen power etc etc). There should be more emphasis on having the United States achieve its optimum potential as a nation among all the nations of the world, rather than flagellate itself with a laundry list of exaggerated charges that in the light of day are logical and responsible, and I include enhanced interrogation techniques among many other topics that the Pollyannas in Washington try to demonize.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

"All the representatives in Washington know how to do is to investigate and prosecute."

Hmmmm. Who did this? We elect every lawyer in the country to office then we are surprised at the result.

I sure agree with the competition part of this post. Right on target.

The rest of the right wing rant on energy and torture (it's TORTURE NOT "enhanced interrogation, EI is a tortured Foxism bastardization of English). We signed the Geneva Conventions and we know what torture is. We also know standard FBI interrogation was the only effective method used. We got squat from 185 waterboardings. Typical American insanity...if it doesn't work, repeat it over and over expecting a different result. Notice it was draft-dodging chickenhawks that ordered torture. Maybe a stint n the military might have given them the experience to make better decisions. You know the next to be tortured? Regular American citizens if they don't overwhelmingly put a stop to the insanity right now.

People, even children and dogs can give you this answer by example.
If you say NO or COME 185 times and it doesn't happen, it's because YOU are an idiot. Don't hit the kid or shoot the dog. They are innocent.

gold looking to breakout... 932...

im just saying,

Keeping it real

Cosa, bet against the breakout. I just bought and sold a boatload of Yamana but some of it I paid a little too much for (and panicked out of) therefore I am only marginally higher on the day.

BTW here's how I should have and wound up doing it. Yamana pivot range from yesterday was 8.95-9.03 After AUY re-entered the range definitively (not just popped up but traded briskly through it I doubled down after my dumb-%%%% move of having purchased as the price descended below both the opening range and those pivots. Funny too that the low of the day sprang back into the pivot range. Last night I was on a hot date and didn't calculate the pivots until after my first stopout

Let's say it together boys....."STUNAD!"

Re: A little off topic

Craig,
I understand and agree 9/11 was an attempt to take out our government (The Pentagon, the White House, the Capital) — plus cause a massive economic disruption (WTC) and panic the population (NYC).

Not sure about the overdone response. Did you mean the protection of Bush and Cheney? Which would happen regardless of who was in office. Or... the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq?

Afghanistan I could see justified by the Al-Qaeda or Taliban connection. Iraq has always seemed to me to have been the desire for a foothold to preserve our oil access.

Haven't heard much lately, but we have been building an American "Embassy" which is pretty much self-sustaining in case of a long siege.

While there is no question our whole way of life is totally oil dependent it could have been different if the last thirty years we had been energy sensible.

Just one guy's opinion.

Re: gold looking to breakout... 932...

I agree. The $930 zone has been well defended in NY and a general retreat seems to be in play over the past few minutes. Silver has also popped to above $14. The HUI is still rather sluggish so it would be nice to see the shares turn up soon for a little break-out confirmation.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

"We got squat from 185 waterboardings."

We don't know what we got other than a bad image.

How many have died from Waterboarding? My guess is there have been far more deaths from Snowboarding.

Mr Cara ..you nailed it!

Waited and loaded up on QID [QID @ 37.96] at the 50% retracement mark a few mins ago.

http://tinyurl.com/r3459x

hoping for a little more run on the S%P to load up there.

Thanks for this morning trading advice! ;-)

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

RE:>How many have died from Waterboarding? My guess is there have been far more deaths from Snowboarding.

So you condone the tubing of suspected militants from the pistes of Colorado? Should their hands be in chains or are they permitted freestyle?

Re: A little off topic

There are several national and international organizations of professionals... architects, engineers, demolition experts... etc who agree substantially with your assessment. They even have one for us PhDs. The truth will come out. I just hope it arrives before Im dead and gone of old age.

Re: A little off topic

Totally agreed Grym. Esp. regarding Afghanistan and Iraq and motivations. Afghanistan was a proper response and that approach was a total winner.
Iraq was pure theft....and was another actual example of what OBL was saying about us and our empire/entitlement/arrogance.

To answer your one question, I think Bush/Cheney were so inexperienced and ideologically driven that they threw away the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions in a naive knee-jerk reaction that ended up resulting in Osama Bin Laden getting us to voluntarily make ourselves an example of what he said we were. That's why I think they might have made better informed choices had they served in the military. they would have already experienced the oath and had it impregnated into their skulls exactly what their duty was.

They forgot their oath. They defend a few pieces of paper with important structures and ideals contained within them. The paper provides for their replacements and how they can act. I know it's hard to not take personal when OBL tries to kill you....but cops experience this almost daily and we expect them to uphold the law and have some self control. They got scared, physically and politically, and lost it.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

"We don't know what we got other than a bad image.

How many have died from Waterboarding? My guess is there have been far more deaths from Snowboarding."

We do know as we now have those involved speaking and testifying in addition to FBI experts.
As you know from being in business, appearance IS reality.

You know....morality is not comparative. Treaties, contracts, promises...your WORD, they are not relative. They are absolute or they mean nothing.

Snowboarding and waterboarding are not relative or germain. I'm pretty sure your guess would be wrong. We have some pretty ugly examples from past wars.

Re: A little off topic

I LOVE your comment Craig. In SO MANY WAYS the 911 "events" succeeded. Succeeded in bringing new global awareness and acceptance of Arab policy perogatives. Successful in destroying some, not all of the liberties and freedoms for which we stood. Successful in destroying our economy, with the help of Wall Street and Alan Greenspan.

If it was really what our government said it was, it was brilliantly successful. If it was what we all hope it was not, an inside job, then it's the biggest felony crime since the Holocaust.

Bilderberg Group conspiracy

How many of you subscribe to this conspiracy theory?
this is a good primer:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/05/guest-post-...

I researched some more and leaks from their conferences turned to be great insider info: 2005 leaks suggested $120-150 target for crude oil, 2006 leaks suggested 18 more months of subprime pump before the dump, and 2008 leaks suggested orchestrated fall in oil coming soon. Even more important, the group decided to unite Europe and introduce Euro since 1950 and 1960's (well documented and good track record).

The most important part is the agenda this year contains this item:

"According to Estulin’s sources, which have been proven highly accurate in the past, Bilderberg is divided on whether to put into motion, “Either a prolonged, agonizing depression that dooms the world to decades of stagnation, decline and poverty … or an intense-but-shorter depression that paves the way for a new sustainable economic world order, with less sovereignty but more efficiency.”

Thus, my deflationary depression vs stagflation dillema is unresolved, but it seems that the most powerful 150 people on the earth will decide soon.

Re: A little off topic

Sadly Shark, brilliantly successful whatever the cause, which should shock us all awake.

As gold rises....a densa viewpoint

Took a small position in SWHC, bouncing off 30RSI/14

More SPNG news

for those that are following this penny stock:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/SpongeTechR-Delivery...

Highlights: $10 Million in sales in May so far (last quarter was $13 Million); Now in 25,000 stores nationwide vs. 500 at this time last year

Temasek

Bill - they should have just given you a call before buying Merrill. That would have saved them 3+ billions... Looks like they are worse than average Joe when it comes to investing (with that kind of money,couldnt they have bought some put protection or index futures?)

i'm not betting on a gold breakout today

Presumably, if a gold breakout was arranged for today, there would probably be some serious volume in the May GDX/ABX/GG etc calls - but so far nothing out of the ordinary.

If you want to bet on one, they are only a nickel each. :)

Volume is the key indicator for me right now...

or the lack of it. its even lower than yesterday at this juncture, despite option expiration. I am starting to implement my If-then scenario from yest. S&P was not able to show me conviction buying nor capture 900. Adding to my existing shorts.

AMZN
Volume: 2,827,397
Avg Vol: 8,465,000

EBAY
Volume: 3,760,887
Avg Vol: 19,243,000

RIMM
Volume: 5,892,850
Avg Vol: 22,631,000

AAPL
Volume: 5,716,371
Avg Vol: 19,247,000

GLD
Volume: 5,357,452
Avg Vol: 12,461,000

XLF
Volume: 55,951,766
Avg Vol: 211,070,000

GS
Volume: 4,389,887
Avg Vol: 24,710,000

WFC
Volume: 36,635,658
Avg Vol: 182,779,000

Re: Mr Cara ..you nailed it!

Bev- I'm tracking your comments, which display in a different color. Thanks for the heads up.

Have a great weekend people!

Get out with the family, cut the lawn, get some exercise, have a beer:)

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Torture is listening to someone who knows little to nothing about what they are talking about. The people who were waterboarded were the worst of the worst and was done to extract information to prevent mass murder along the lines of 9/11. If you can't connect the dots and only can respond with the Kool Aid response that it is against some treaty, you need to be at ground zero during the next attack so you can get a better perspective.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

This response is FEAR. I'm sorry you are afraid. It's a big nasty cruel world out there, but you can't kill everything that scares you.
A better perspective is not gained in panic or fear. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

VIX

David,
If the index just bleeds slowly, then also VIX wouldnt jump up. Maybe that is the scenario playing out

Per Martin D Weiss, GM BK Unstoppable! Will Sink U.S. Economy

Excerpt
"The General Motors bankruptcy will:

Gut America’s auto dealer network
Cause a chain reaction of failures among auto parts suppliers
Drive GMAC so far into the red that even the Obama team will balk at pouring more good money after bad to bail it out
Wipe out any positive effects from the economic stimulus package
Drive an even larger hole in the balance sheets of America’s largest banks
Sink the U.S. economy into a new, hair-raising decline."

http://tinyurl.com/pg5u8s

S&P intraday

Anyhoo, back to the market...

Is it just me or is the S&P cliff diving? any ideas what's driving this?

FTWR

I'd like to see a close of at least $0.57 today. I cannot account for the recent price decline, could we be witnessing a shaking out of loose hands just prior to a breakout? I suspect yes...

Re: Mr Cara ..you nailed it!

2nd

"which display in a different color"

Hopefully in ..."shocking pink"!

;-)

BTW...how are you able to do that? [edited...I see...you booked mark me. Well that sure beats being IGNORE... which I only have one of BTW. ;-)]

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

I won't defend what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.

I've taken you off my ignore list.

If you want to speak about criminal justice, which would be the appropriate response to this band of fascist political extremists, I suggest you and your government take another look at the international court of justice in The Hague as an example of internationally accepted response to crimes against humanity.

As for this being a "kool aid" response, let me remind you of the Allied response to Nazi aggression at Dresden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in...

Somehow it doesn't sit well with most people today that we committed this "action" in the closing stage of the war, even if it had been seen as appropriate or necessary at the time. History has a way of judging actions differently, given time and appropriate discussion and reflection.

A turn in the economy ?

A must see 6 minute video. Blunt and to the point. Confirms what Meredith Whitney said last week on CNBC.

http://bit.ly/XHbTK

Plan accordingly, and call your local congressperson and state senators. Tell them that this nonsense of tax payer sponsored bailouts and the misappropriation of funds by Geithner & friends must end.

Re: Bilderberg Group conspiracy

I thought Bill or caraists would be interested who really holds power, oh well...

Re: A turn in the economy ?

A straight shooter. thanks ToddinFL

Re: Volume is the key indicator for me right now...

continuation on the lack of volume. If prices are cheap, why is no one buying? people with cash can easily get the bid prices they want today.

Monday should be very explosive in one way or the other.

Re: Volume is the key indicator for me right now...

NYU,

I am following you into this type trading because of Volume and because Cara remarked about the confirmation of a downtrend with techs (twelve to watch, beta boys,four horseman, 10 big nasdaq non-financials) terrible action and lower highs-lower lows.

I bought SCO and SRS yesterday

Today SDS,SKF,SMN,and QID

Lets see were this goes...doing great so far. All are positive so far.

Let me know if you see any improvement in volume.

Do you have any feelings for how long this short,medium,long term trend will last?

THANKS for the volume work! this spell check rocks!

SCO

sold all at 25.65

Re: Bilderberg Group conspiracy

that stuff has gone through here before

SCO

It's moving now. I was a day early in my buy/sell timing.

Re: Volume is the key indicator for me right now...

TN,

good luck with your trades. Per your question, "feelings for how long this short,medium,long term trend will last?" I try not to think too far ahead, so I can react fast with minimal emotion. This trend can end today at 2pm if GS and PPT decides to press the "Easy" button.

I am watching S&P, Nasdaq, the four horsemen, gs, xlf, gld to give me the tip as to what cards hb&b are holding.

GDX/GG/KGC/QQQQ/SH/SPY

GDX - Today's benchmark is 38.01
GG - " " $33.58
KGC - "" $17.02
QQQQ - "" $33.39
SH - "" $68.48
SPY - "" $89.44

Re: SCO

Good trade Vinod. I believe you bought in the 24's yesterday.

Re: Mr Cara ..you nailed it!

You show up in turquoise ;)

Click on the handle of any poster, then click on "Track."

[edit- Or maybe it's Bookmark. Can't recall. In any case, holding a handful of short positions on your call, and doing well so far.]

Re: SCO

Johnny
Plan was to write June call on it but forgot it. nowit is moving higher

"Moving" averages

If Pascal calls 'value' at the 50 period average, then I wonder if "love" comes at the 20 and "trust" or "confidence" at the 200?

Somehow, I'm inclined to think a test of the SPX 50 period average is more likely than not.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Craig, what a nonsensical response to my comments. The only thing I fear is the number of individuals, who are like you, that are walking around with the garbage they read in the New York Times and the 7 oclock news splashing around in their empty heads. You would think that the events of 9/11 and many others around the world would make some sort of impression, but like most (who are like you) it only hits home when it directly impacts you. As far as people dying from waterboarding, name a few examples that directly died from the procedure. This is not done for jaywalking it is done when lives are at stake.

as people dying from waterboarding

does not make it right. Also I might ask.....please stay respectful re; "nonsensical response"

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Must be a slow trading day, seems we are getting bogged down on issues that are distractions at best. Does anyone have a take on the skinny volume? It is basically anemic.

Bill says CPI up but...

PPI still negative y/y, despite small monthly increase.

"Although the above table shows an increase of .3% compared with last month, year over year comparisons have been negative for 5 consecutive months. Moreover, prices of light duty trucks were up in April. That will not last long because dealers must cut prices to liquidate inventory. In turn, 2009 inventory liquidation will negatively impact demand for cars and truck in 2010."

http://www.financialsense.com/Market/wrapup.htm

-3.7%. That's the largest annual decline since 1950

Re: Mr Cara ..you nailed it!

Click on user name, and on the first view you are taken to, click on 'Bookmark this user'.

Thanks for pointing it out 2nd, I'll be using it now as well.

Also, today is first day I'm using the Ignore Thread column, which is working out nicely as well :)

Factual Food for Thought

Louise Richardson, now head of St. Andrews University in Scotland wrote a book entitled "What Terrorists Want". She grew up in Northern Ireland and has known and interviewed terrorists worldwide.

She points out that the greatest favorability rating improvement the US received recently cost about a billion dollars (relief) following the tsunami.

Yes, jihadists exist who want to destroy Western civilization, yet the cost of converting some of them with improved living conditions might be less than the military options available. Not clear that multiple approaches are exclusive.

Re: SEC....surrender Dorothy...

ALOHA !!

Craig ... To see who the ultimate SEC insider trading con artist was that started the SEC go see my post from last night entitled, "SEC DOOMED FROM THE START" ... That was in 1934 ... so what has changed and why is it people think that CHANGE will magically occur voluntarily by these criminals that have been running America for decades now ... ever since 1913.

Like the US FED, the SEC is just as useless ...

We will never get rid of this system so long as we keep voting the same WALL STREET inside traders into power every time. To vote a party that does not start with DEM or REP into power would be the "start" of a "real" revolution and CHANGE in America.

Still ... the system is so corrupt that it needs to collapse! I believe all the elite know this and they are trying to position themselves to be the last bank standing. Otherwise why would there be this HUGE free-for-all "money grab" called BAILOUT?

In terms of the STIMULUS that OBAMA has going ... Come on! I was a contractor in the San Francisco,CA area for 20 years. Is there any doubt where the vast majority of that STIMULUS money will go? HELLO??? When you hear the words "infrastructure", which is where a lot of the STIMULUS is headed, think FAT CAT CONTRACTORS and UNIONS! I have been on so many PUBLIC WORKS jobs for so long and some of the biggest ones out there(prisons and schools)that I know how the GAME is played and it has been rigged since forever! The little guy ... the small business ... where the real innovation and value comes from will be stuffed. I predict after its all over there will be news stories galore of STIMULUS contractor and union fraud/corruption across the USA! Wait and see ... To me it is so "predictable". I guess a person has to be "entrenched" in the SYSTEM to see how it works and how it just feeds off itself and grows to humongous proportions. I was in it ... now I'm not, but I still have my contacts there. NOTHING HAS CHANGED! I could walk you through Corcoran State Prison, Ione State Prison, Vacaville State Prison and Yolo County Prison and show you how and where and how much the US TAXPAYER was screwed on every square foot of those projects.

When you read how the UNION has caused the city of Vallejo, CA to file bankruptcy don't sit there and think, "WOW ... thank God I don't live there in Vallejo and have to deal with all that UNION crap!" Every taxpayer in America is paying the UNION ... Huge exorbitant wages to boot! Some one mentioned a rookie cop getting paid $107,00USD per year starting out. Its not uncommon for ditch diggers(Labor Union)on PUBLIC WORKS to earn over $40,000USD... IBEW electrical union journeymen with just a high school diploma can earn over $110,000USD($55/hr)per year.

PUBLIC WORKS is nothing more than a payoff to well heeled contractors and UNIONS. DAVIS BACON was the law that sealed the UNION's death grip on the US TAXPAYER. DAVIS BACON was the US CONgress politicians paying off the UNIONS for their contributions and their votes. The US GOVERNMENT has been up for sale to the highest bidder for longer than I have been alive.

Go to the Service Workers UNION SEIU website and take a look ... This union paid the DEMS and OBAMA $70mil USD to win. Guess who benefits the most? The least?

SEIU website link: http://www.seiu.org/splash/

Try not to "join" right off the bat once you see the enticing "splash"!

Look at the "attitude" displayed on the splash of those three workers! Reminds me of the IBEW guy who told me, "I ain't puttin' on roller skates to do nuttin' you tell me!" GOODBYE ...

Click past the "splash" and go onto their home page. Somehow BANK AMERICA has been bad(I agree)but somehow the UNION has not. Hummmm????

Here's a quote right off the SEIU home page ... "BIG BANKS LIQUIDATING YOUR COMPANY? TELL US!" Okay, how is it the SEIU union workers "own" anything, much less the company they work for? Are they that powerful that they can save companies? Don't companies usually need something called "profits" and "earnings" to survive? Mine does ...

IT ALL WORKS UNTIL ...

An interesting look at POG through 2009

Gold relative to various currency strengths, US dollar index, possibility of institutional purchases.

"To help answer the final question, let us consider the chart above. $Gold has broken the down trend line which had served as resistance. However, it is now short-term over bought. That condition comes from the rapid decent of the U.S. dollar in recent weeks. Additionally, institutional recognition of the role of Gold in portfolios has become more widespread this year.

Given that $Gold is probably short-term over bought and some possibility of Summer doldrums developing, investors should probably simply use weakness to do their buying. $Gold prices below US$900 should encourage all buyers. Price weakness in the AM on New York City time should be used in particular. Those investors living in currencies at the top of the second chart should be aggressive buyers during such periods."

http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/schmidt/2...

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

We don't know if we killed any because it's all classified and we don't get the movie without a big fight it seems we may not see, but waterboarding is a form of dunking-water torture used since medieval times. The victims, especially in the Spanish Inquisition are too numerous to list.
to say 9/11 didn't affect every American is short-sighted in my opinion.
I don't get the NY Times and I don't watch the 7 O'clock news.

No, I'm not afraid of the threat from outside. I'm more concerned about those willing to surrender from inside. THEY are a far bigger threat because they think they are the righteous defenders, when really they are motivated by fear and hope to convince others to be afraid and lose sight of the Constitution.

Re: SEC....surrender Dorothy...

I knew you would love that SEC insider trading scam post Kaimu!
They say the fish rots from the head down.....

Question for the crowd who sells covered calls here

I am wondering how, if a call is exercised, or if you decide to buy back the call before expiry without rolling it, the "net" of the underlying is resolved.

From a net perspective, every time I roll a call, the "old" call is reflected as a realized loss. This is bc the underlying I have been purchasing has been bullish. The thing that I am not grasping is the fact that the basis is not being reflected as reduced in the underlying even though each subsequent call is a "negative" cash flow entry (which means I take it as a credit). I get that there is a realized loss if I buy the call back for more than I sold it for; but if I sell a new further month out call shouldn't that gain be reflected somewhere?

All of these are after commissions, so please bear with me:

For example. I bought on 5 Dec, 100 shares AUY at 4.44 and wrote a Jan $5 call against it for $54.39

I then rolled that call to an Apr $5 call for a net credit of 18.79 and then rolled that to a Jul call for a net credit of 23.8 but all of the outlays are displayed as negatives in my unrealized and realized gains except the gains of the underlying.

But I would see that regardless if the options were present or not; I guess I just need an explanation of the accounting here.

As of now here's what I would be seeing: let's say the Oct call is exercised
I would get $5 / share - commissions on a basis of ~4.50

That's only $50 in "profit" against a loss of $335.42 according to what the realized gains/losses is showing when that's clearly not the case if I am collecting a net credit each time

In actuality, the way I account at home (a total net position in the underlying), its more like this:

My basis is actually more along the lines of 3.52 in the underlying because of a 4.44 initial outlay(* 100 per contract), minus a 54.39 credit, minus an 18.79 credit, minus a 23.80 credit.

Sorry for the long winded explanation; thanks if you take the time to read and/or respond!

Re: "Moving" averages

Ron, I must admit I rarely comprehend your posts. I hope mine are clear, I try my very best to make them that way.

OIH

looks like its headed to 85. I have some puts. So far OIH, WYNN, SHLD, CMTL, DECK puts have worked good. Gold miners are giving me a tough time. Maybe I will never trade options on gold miners & just buy the common

What's Bair's Intent? FDIC to Replace Some Bank Chiefs

Who does no. 2 work for? Bloomberg Article: http://tiny.cc/dFZIK

Says FDIC will have to replace some bank CEO's. Is she talking about the big money-center banks here? Or is she working at the behest of the big banks to take out some more mid-tier wannabes that aren't in the elite club and roll them into the big boys? (A la WAMU going to JP Morgan).

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Cheney is not a nice man, he reminds me of Hannibal Lechter. Go drop bombs on any city on earth and see how many friends you'll make in the process. If they wanted Hussein out of the way as claimed, there were other effective mechanisms that could've been utilized.

Haliburton won no-bid contracts, along with a host of other good 'ol boy's club members. The entire charade turned out to be one of the most perverse episodes I've witnessed in my lifetime.

Photo's? Well I don't need confirmation because my mind is made up, but perhaps some others do?

Re: Question for the crowd who sells covered calls here

Your open sold call position should still show as -ve (for the credit received reflecting the current market value of that position) till expiry in the basic screen. But if you have an Account/position P&L page, that should show P&L for that call sold

Re: A turn in the economy ?

Howard Davidowitz.. what a bear! Love this guy. Thx for posting, Todd.

http://bit.ly/XHbTK

Dumped my USO and FRO with a smallish profit this morning but holding onto SLW with a 34% gain, so far.
As Bill says "Being a successful trader means managing risk....cutting losses quickly, allowing winners to run.

I'm tryin', I'm tryin'.. Quack!

Re: SCO

Out 26.01

Re: Question for the crowd who sells covered calls here

The common and option are two different securities. Gains and losses on each security are reported separately. Your common cost basis as indicated on your statement will not change.

Road map for the Nasdaq

Summary: Down!

Nasdaq made an "outside reversal" on increased volume on May 7th plus volume remained above average as the Nasdaq declined further over the following days. A very bearish signal.

Also note the other indicators on the chart. Net Advances, Net Advancing Volume and Net New Highs also shows signs the rally has ended in my opinion.

http://tinyurl.com/qjdgjj

Here is a 5 min chart of QQQQ look how it is nicely contained. I have real time feed hopefully it will display the same to those who want to follow it.

http://tinyurl.com/qwr5bb

Re: Question for the crowd who sells covered calls here

Sorry but this is wrong according to the IRS. When you sell a covered call and it expires you do not report it as a gain but you are supposed to adjust your cost basis of the stock down to reflect the option premium. This is a good deal-get the money now and pay taxes later. However the bookkeeping is terrible and since I day trade, everything I report is first in, first out and keep everything separate. \

Re: Bilderberg Group conspiracy

Whatever the name, Secret groups having secret meetings making secret decisions and alliances regarding public policy that affects us all should be unacceptable to every citizen.

When it comes to elected officials, we speak with our votes. The majority of the voting public has said that this kind of thing is acceptable. As citizens, we hold the power. We can grant it or take it away from the elected officials and un-elected government administrators as a whole.

The larger the pool of people and more diverse the cultures that make up the society, the harder it is to form a consensus for change or accountability. Historically, the strongest subgroup within the society controls and influences all of the rest.

To effect change in our society, you must make your subgroup dominant. Unfortunately, by doing so, you become the same entity you currently revile. This is the cost of diversity and lack of a identity.

What does it mean to be a US Citizen? Do we all define it the same to the point of being devoted to the same cause? That really is the fundamental question.

Re: Bilderberg Group conspiracy

Sorry,
didn't know it was covered here.
I searched and sure enough kaimu mentioned Bilderberg on 3/18/09 in the context of Obama connection.
I was talking about economic implications.

Also I'm short QQQQ

http://tinyurl.com/oywfeq

Looking for it to bounce off the 200MA [31.77+/-]which is close to
the 38.2% Fib line.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Cum bi ya, cum bi ya, cum bi ya; I can see you sitting there in your tie dyed shirt, sandles, and bandanna writing your misguided comments. Ahhhhhhhh now we know what it is like with the children in control. Time will correct the situation and the mistake will not be made again for a very long time.

Re: Road map for the Nasdaq

yeh thanks Bev. Your charts are good as gold for the uninitiated like me.

Will hold to Vad's concept of waiting the trend and taking a bite out of the middle.

So Monday I shall wait with a couple of gold holdings under my belt and naught otherwise.

simple MACD trading

all major indices produced clear sell signals. This should be a relatively non-stop action till we get a lower low OR near SP 666 retest. The faster market goes up, the faster should go down. Unless this is May 2003, which I doubt.

FD: TZA, FAZ, SRS, and gold miners. Sure about the first 3, not sure about the miners.

Re: Question for the crowd who sells covered calls here

I figured your basis in the underlying was what really matters, and and that's exactly what I thought, which is why I keep my own records. I suppose you COULD use all those short-term losses against your overall annual net if you had a valid reason. It is hardly worthy on a 1 contract situation, but are we supposed to take commissions out of consideration?

For the record I have been actively trading calls, bullish call spreads, and a few bull put spreads (unconventional, I know) on SLW & AUY, and naked puts on DOW. Boy DOW has really rallied as of late, and has not showed signs of slowing down on the RSI or MACD.

Gut feeling [that's all this is]

I have this feeling they could soon run up the tape, then near the closing load up on the short side for a nice downward surprise Monday. Again it is just this sneaky feeling they are toying with us. Maybe shake out the weaker hands in the closing 1.5 hour of trading.

SKF off @

47.52

Re: SKF off @

If we run it up into close, I will reload SKF and double QID position. Might add FXP too.

Did Capitalism Fail?

Recently, I have observed some of the mainstream media discuss the theory of Capitalism as a potential failed experiment. I think this is being put out there as propaganda to influence the minds of the general public in order to soften us to accept more socialized programs.

Anyone who has ever conducted an experiment knows that in order for a theory to be judged it must first be defined and then strictly adhered to and monitored for the duration of the experiment.

According to Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=capitalism): Capitalism is an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.

In the United States, instead of strict Capitalism, I think one could successfully make the argument we have had a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. In other words, we have had a combination of a private oriented and a state oriented system.

In the context of failure, you might be able to more accurately argue that the combination of the two has failed rather than one or the other.

Re: Also I'm short QQQQ

i am short QQQQ as well....

SRS: New trend?

http://tinyurl.com/pkqhbd

I'm currently holding SRS. Hoping it will soar during the hopefully up coming sell off. The 50MA [not shown here] maybe the next line of resistance.

[Holding SRS from 22.35]

Re: Also I'm short QQQQ

QID not up today....strange. I hate it when 2X's dont act like they should.

Going into weekend...

No new positions being made now.

1. if S&P magically goes to 900, i will then close my short positions.
2. if S&P reached 875 and holds I will book my gains on my shorts
3. if s&p breaks below 875, I will add more positions to my existing shorts.

keep it as simple as I can for myself.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Yeah, it's about me now. Stunning debate tactic.

Cite an old spiritual. "Kumbaya, my Lord" started out in the 1920s as a Gullah spiritual sung on the islands of South Carolina between Charleston and Beaufort".

I can see that is totally subversive. You've been watching too much old 60's-70's TV and lack an understanding of history.

Sandals. Sandles are candles made of sand presumably.
Bandana. I suppose I'm a Crip or Blood too?
This is it? I think it's a flashback.

I'm sitting here with a couple monitors full of charts.
I work a farm, wear Wranglers, t-shirts and boots and I have a couple heelers at my feet. Sometimes I wear a hat.
Interesting because I picture you with two big ears on a thick neck, size 50 jacket and a 70 IQ. I doubt either is accurate.

So far the bankruptcy part of your plan is working just like it did for the Soviets. More genius. The other part of your plan has to be paying for it.
But I know you don't want higher taxes....so the plan is?

Yep, you are with the bankers and the Fed. in enslaving us with your fear of anything different than you or that scares you by borrowing the funds to carry it out while we do without, fail to rebuild manufacturing capacity, export jobs, run up massive deficits, kill the $USD and become the new Rome.

No Thanks. At least I know who the enemy is with the external terrorists.
And they can't vote here.

Re: Going into weekend...

I think the same way NYU. Thanks for your little/basic reminders of how to play the major support/resistance levels. It keeps me focused on big picture. You are a great trader.

Bev very nice chart of SRS. Might be worth picking up and keeping back pocket for a bit. I will be watching close.

Authorities probe insider trading at SEC: source

Everyone wants a piece of the pie and gets it. Unfortunately its the working class whose pie is getting eaten...
http://rurl.org/1kds

Re: simple MACD trading

I agree with your MACD signals. But those nasty folks at Goldman will persist in causing short covering rallies at periodic intervals to give us retail shorts heart trouble.

Just this morning at the open, they managed to take out the high of the previous day on almost every short I had with a spike at the open. Almost all my stops were sufficiently above yesterday's high to avoid being tripped. Almost all.

Sigh.

FD: Short FAS, SSO, XLF, XHB and a few retailers.
(note, I'm short the ultralongs, rather than buying them. Rust never sleeps)

AUY

Any ideas why AUY is getting singled out for extra lashes today?

Watch 880

it "MAY" bounce here.

http://tinyurl.com/pv9g4r

Gold

The metal is up while miners are down... Isn't this more like the long term trend gold bugs continuously reference?

Reasons

Stop trying to connect every effect with a definitive cause. "Why" is meaningless. "What" is all that matters.

And never go long on a Friday afternoon:)!

I'm goin' to the beach.

Re: Watch 880/ Closing Shorts

SRS/TZA/FAZ...Thanks again, Bev ;)

gold

maybe it's also currency related? AUY is down with silver and silver miners while GSS is up a couple points and GG is down a couple points. SLW down 4%?

Look UUP.... +0.73% is much larger in the mirror than it appears.

Re: simple MACD trading

"(note, I'm short the ultralongs, rather than buying them. Rust never sleeps)"

Dave- I like that one ;)

:-)

880 held [so far]

May short the ETF "IWM" if it tests the upper part of its downward channel today and does not break through.

http://tinyurl.com/qt6n2q

Re: Watch 880/ Closing Shorts

2nd

Looks like you go some winners there!

Re: Did Capitalism Fail?

Capitalism is the only system that a free society should accept, but there are exceptions and controls needed. Also, there needs to be a better definition of wealth creation via land, labor and capital versus wealth protection.

A socialistic approach to government has been used to control the masses on behalf of the classes. The public is not being served and protected when the Fed and Treasury are using the people's capital on the surface to maintain economic and capital market stability but in reality to benefit certain patrons of elected representatives.

We get protection from government in various ways like police, fire, military, municipal bylaws, etc. These are not value adding services. As long as government has a balanced budget, I see no reason why additional expenditures for roads, bridges, education, etc, cannot be made because these are wealth creation facilitators -- as long as we have the right to choose the private sector services in these areas. But far too much government is involved, and spending and budgets are out of control.

A contentious aspect is healthcare. I have no problem with the Canadian health insurance system because it is insurance. Doctors have the right to choose how and where to practice, privately, within understandable limits, and patients have the right to choose their doctor, within understandable limits. I have always considered that insurance is not wealth creating, so if government can show a lower cost universal plan, I have no concern that they do it. I would prefer that a choice of private insurance plans are available, but in terms of cable services, we don't get that option, so if there is one health insurer and it is the govt, I don't mind. But universal health insurance is essential to social equity. It makes no sense that a young family, just getting started in life, be put in circumstances where the birth of an abnormal child would bankrupt the family. Many doctors (in essential health services) may disagree, but they are not in a wealth creating profession, so they should be in no different a situation to setting their fees than any other public utility. Even in Canada, there are private clinics for discretionary health related services, and the patient is required to pay as you go.

The biggest problems I have with capitalism per se are (i) the income tax act -- because I believe in the pay as you go system we have in Bahamas, (ii) the failure to balance budgets, and (iii) the fact we do not have free capital markets, but markets where much of the trading is done by interventionists for reasons unique to wealth protection and growth, and by self-serving Humungous Bank & Broker companies that trade against the client and also with insider knowledge of the Fed and Treasury operations.

There are in fact so many problems with capitalism that people will say it is a bad system; however, with a few changes, it would be an excellent system. If it was allowed to work with minimal government in our lives, I think most people would call it a huge success.

Re: Authorities probe insider trading at SEC: source

Glad to hear the insiders are probing themselves, maybe this explains the market weakness but doesn't address the systemic problem. This market much prefers HB&B manipulation, every time HB&B sneaze, the market catches cold..

Re: Reasons

"I'm goin' to the beach."- Better check in with the Lifeguard, otherwise you might get shot.

Just for fun, let watch

Just for fun,
let watch –oxbec premium is 0.55
And_oxbqb is 0.35.
Oex is at around 413. Let see where it will close

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

"I work a farm, wear Wranglers, t-shirts and boots and I have a couple heelers at my feet. Sometimes I wear a hat.
Interesting because I picture you with two big ears on a thick neck, size 50 jacket and a 70 IQ. I doubt either is accurate."

Well, the composite pretty much describes the typical Boer around my parts, except for the (tall) boots and the (low) i.q..

But we're not up to multiple monitors, yet.

Re: gold

Scanning through all of these positions, that makes some sense. Thanks. Let's see how it closes.

I guess CNBC went to the NJ Shore early. No more pumping...

Surely they can no longer afford the Hamptons.

ETF CLOSING

ALOHA !!

So what happens when an ETF closes ... PowerShares have 19 ETFs closing and I have distilled their warning down to one sentence.

"this process will cause each fund's holdings to deviate from the securities included in its underlying index."

Okay ... so what? It seems that PowerShares are focusing on closing the RAFI backed ETFs most. What is RAFI? ROB ARNOTT RESEARCH AFFILIATES. This is a company based in Newport Beach, CA, where PIMCO hides out, and is run by ... ROB ARNOTT. I decided to investigate this company further. The name of the company is Research Affiliates(RA). In looking at the company's management, led by Rob Arnott it is easy to see they are really a pack of math geeks dedicated to derivatives and indexing. Or at least that seems to be their published background. One of the Board members, Katy Sherrered, resume is that she was: "a member of the Investment Advisory Committee for the Virginia Retirement System". I went to look at the Virgina Retirement Systems portfolio and it is quite literally the Who's Who of failed strategies! She would have done way better to just leave all her math skills at home and buy gold!

Link to VA Retirement Portfolio: http://tinyurl.com/qj2ksh

How many other "retirement portfolios" look like this?

Back to RA ... The rest of the "team" are all mostly graduates from all California taxpayer funded universities like UCLA, USC, UC Berkeley, CalPoly etc ... Good schools for sure.

GTAA
Global tactical asset allocation ("GTAA") is a powerful strategy that directs funds toward asset classes with the highest potential for appreciation and away from asset classes with greater potential for loss.

The Research Affiliates ("RA") GTAA strategy uses the firm’s proprietary models to allocate investment funds among a universe of asset classes based on current and forecasted economic conditions. Unlike traditional tactical asset allocation strategies that consider only stocks and bonds, RA’s GTAA strategies allocates funds across a breadth of alternative asset classes including emerging market debt, global bonds, commodities, and international equities. Robert Arnott and RA are well recognized in the investment management industry for their expertise in GTAA.

RA is the sub-advisor to the first mutual fund of mutual funds to apply GTAA to alternative asset classes. The recent launch of this fund satisfied an unmet need in the marketplace and has resulted in the fund garnering over $15 billion in assets in almost three years. Alternative asset classes employed include commodities, treasury inflation protected securities (TIPS), and emerging market debt. RA also implements GTAA strategies using derivatives including futures and forwards.END

Okay ... there it is, but how was the actual performance within the last three years? It has been dismal ... So all that RAFI can show me is that they know how to make money when "fishin' is easy" and there is all kinds of inflation effects that pump the BUBBLES, but they have absolutely no success when the World economies and monetary structures crash.

Here is their latest FUNDAMENTAL new release pdf file and if you scroll to the bottom you will see the RAFI global performance record. Its a review of 2008 year performance as well as ten year performance and volatility.

RAFI FUNDAMENTALS link: http://tinyurl.com/qxa5fo

To see more of the RAFI company go here: http://tinyurl.com/rdty55

So these geek analysts are behind many of the ProShares ETFs. In fact here are all their affiliates ...

PARTNERS WITH WHOM WE AFFILIATE TO DISTRIBUTE OUR IDEAS*

AssetMark
Cidel Bank & Trust
Claymore
Columbia Management
FTSE
IPM
Lyxor
Nomura Asset Management
Parametric
PIMCO
Plexus Asset Management
PowerShares Capital Management Pro-Financial Asset Management
Realindex/Colonial First State
Schwab Funds
XACT Fonder

How good are expert, highly educated mathematicians and statistical analysts at making money? So far as I can see not very!

Do your own due diligence as this took me about 20 minutes to compile from reading one article that sent me off on a research binge. Here is the article link that started it for me.

From Index Universe ...

ETF article link: http://tinyurl.com/ot77a3

In the end I think any idiot could have done much better by buying gold ten years ago and skip the "talented" math geeks ...

QUESTION AUTHORITY(and geeks)!!!

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

"We do know as we now have those involved speaking and testifying in addition to FBI experts."

But is it the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Are there witnesses we've not heard? We don't know that.

I heard one psychiatrist who was in on "enhanced interrogation" sessions say that they were able to prevent several further attacks. He also said he did not approve specifically of the technique of waterboarding, but that it had worked in some cases.

The Obama release of some info, but not all, has Cheney calling for the release of everything.

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"You know....morality is not comparative. Treaties, contracts, promises...your WORD, they are not relative. They are absolute or they mean nothing."

Ever read "Situational Ethics"? It deals with your comment, "morality is not comparative". The only example I can think of is one concerning deciding if lies are ever acceptable. ( I read it about thirty years ago, I think.)

If Anna Frank were hiding in your attic and you were asked by the Gestapo if you were hiding any Jews, "What would be your answer?"

I can imagine the fear of someone responsible for the protecting the USA from another 9/11 type attack going beyond what We may consider reasonable or proper.

If someone in my family were in imminent danger and I had access to a person who had information on how to prevent it, I may very well go further than waterboarding. We could debate the morality after they were out of danger.

You may disagree, but just don't ever mess with my family.

Anyone working the NGas trade today?

Buying or selling?

Re: gold

Theres been quite a turn round in the dollar index (Rising)since the dow started to tank about 11 am.Thats stalled Gold I think today so far.

http://tinyurl.com/229pya

878.95

There is a lot of longs holding it up at this level.

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Re: Anyone working the NGas trade today?

2nd
not yet, but interested in UNG

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Interesting, Gents....but take note: torture is most effective at producing FALSE confessions. People will say anything they think you want.
If your goal is an Al Quida- Iraq link, use torture. WMD's...ditto.
Remember the volumes of false "intelligence" ramrodded through by the Vice Presidents' office? Do you see a link?
Have you 'Googled' PNAC ? Try it, fascinating.
Torture is illegal, uncivilized, unproductive, and un-American.
Period.
Zed

Re: Anyone working the NGas trade today?

All of my players are now back where I'm interested. If this weren't Friday, I'd get back 1/3. Still might anyway.

Edit: All are hovering around the 20DMA.

Re: 878.95

Hey, nice graph. Where do you find stuff like that?

Re: 878.95

http://rlcalculators.retracementlevels.com/

2nd only the ES Hourly is free until the 22nd. Then it is back to pay. Not cheap.

Re: 878.95

Wow Bev that was awesome. I set my stop too tight so I got whipsawed out else I'd be just a little bit richer right now. That's like magic. :)

Re: ETF CLOSING

Todays quants remind me of the insurance actuarists in the 1920's. Same outcome for the most part.

To paraphrase Charlie Munger, if you can't make an investment case using a Big Chief tablet and a Crayon, you may be guilty of overthinking the process.

Re: Anyone working the NGas trade today?

It's dependent on the broad market. Gas will fall in sympathy. FRN gains today as flight to safety.

Re: Did Capitalism Fail?

Bill, you concluded :

"There are in fact so many problems with capitalism that people will say it is a bad system; however, with a few changes, it would be an excellent system. If it was allowed to work with minimal government in our lives, I think most people would call it a huge success."

I think post colonial Singapore has been a huge econmic and social success, in some ways more startling than the Wirtschaftswunder of postwar Germany. But I generally quip that Singapore is Stalinism done right, others see it as a triumph of Capitalism.

I was lucky to experience living in Sweden during its 44 year Social Democratic heyday, when it was vilified by the U.S. at every opportunity on account of Sweden's iconoclastic anti Vietnam War policy. Was 1970's Sweden or is latter day Finland a blueprint for Capitalism, even though the State played and plays a huge role in the economy?

What might surprise those unfamiliar with the history of the Chinese Malays (as Singaporeans then were), the Swedes and the Finns is that their versions of Nirvana were all begotten by civil war or the threat thereof.

Even though the ruling classes almost always prevail in civil strife, they generally come out chastened and exhausted by internecine fighting, prepared to accommodate the aspirations of the people.

Where they do not, vide Germany in the 1930's.

Bill, this is the unfortunate juncture we are now at in U.S. history. Will our brand of Capitalism be used to promote the people or be used against it?

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

There is a lot we won't know unless or until it's declassified.

Cheney's call is a bluff because he knows we already are choked up at photos.
Nobody ever said Dick is stupid. The Republican National Corporation would die first and the Democrat Socialist Party would rather spend it's time and our future money on other agendas.

Not a great moral question. It presumes this choice wasn't seriously considered before Ann Frank was in my attic. I can assure you I don't work that way, so the answer would be nein. I have no implied agreement with the Gestapo to tell them anything. That is not the moral question. The moral question is do I keep my word with Ann?

I don't assume different methods will work to make you or your family safer if you are already getting information. I'm also reading lately how these methods were used to try to link Saddam to Al Queda. And what happens if god forbid, it didn't work and your family's captors found out? Would you have lead to your family being tortured? Those are our current prospects.

I can assure you I would protect you and your family if the situation arose and I had the means to do so.

Re: ETF CLOSING

ALOHA !!

Although I did mention POWERSHARES at the top of my post more towards the bottom I made a mistake by posting this: "So these geek analysts are behind many of the ProShares ETFs. In fact here are all their affiliates ..."

It should have been POWERSHARES not PROSHARES ...

Re: Did Capitalism Fail?

No, I don't think capitalism failed.

I think a very clever and complex fraud succeeded.

The idea that less regulation was good went to extremes over a couple of decades. Just as the dot com decade was a distortion which gave birth to the idea that there was a budget surplus (based on the idea that the taxes on cap gains would continue), the computer modeling gave the false idea that housing would never collapse.

This was all helped along by people like Paulson (getting a huge margin boost) Rubin (goodbye Glass-Steagall) Barney Frank (Fannie people apid a percentage of mortgages issued), rating and insuring agencies letting their responsibilities slide.

The lack of any real call for accountability even now is, IMO, a greater failure.

What happened with TSX?

It stopped working at 2:45.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Please spare the rest of us your character assinations.

Re: ETF CLOSING

"It should have been POWERSHARES not PROSHARES ..."

Dang kaimu, I just sold all the wrong ETF's... ;)

Interesting to see TLT and TBT finding resistance/support

I know its conventional wisdom for TLT to rally in worsening market conditions, but am curious how TBT is presently meeting support while TLT has met resistance.

Waiting to see investors push TLT through resistance for a trade next week.

Or perhaps as Davef is doing, short TBT for an extra quid.

should point out that it is the 20 day MA. I sense from talk here that it is not as important as the 50 day MA.

TSX data

Looks like TSX data has been down since 2:45, according to my IB and TD accounts.

Food for thought

Looks like HB&B was clearing out some stops here on the bears. Mention this might happened earlier, that they would run it back up [how far not sure]. But this run down to the 880- 879 area confirms what a lot of EW'ers think is confirmation of "wave iii" downwards. So it looks like there could be a lot more downside to be had. Next week maybe. Remember in Mr Cara's write ups he has mentioned several times of a sell off lasting more than 3 days. As they say "Sell in May and go away".

Will try to post a comparison this weekend of the 2002-2003 bear market to the 2009 if I can. Everyone have a great week and I hope everyone got to "bank some coin" today as they say .

Bill Seidman

I was sorry to hear of the death of Bill Seidman this week. As FDIC head in the early 1980s, he did what should have been done with the current bank problems.

Whenever I saw him on TV (one of the few people for whom I turned on the CNBC sound) he was always good natured and had intelligent and meaningful comments.

He was a real gentleman and will be missed.

Re: retracement level calculators

Bev, how do you think such calculators work? Where do they get their statistics from?

Re: Did Capitalism Fail?

ALOHA !!

Thanks Bill ... As I watched the protests in the UK(via internet photos)I saw signs that said "DOWN WITH CAPITALISM"! Funny that socialist pig sty like the UK thinks they have CAPITALISM! How is that possible? I think most people assume that BANKS=CAPITALISM. That's like saying DEBT=WEALTH! Oprah?

Most Americans would not know CAPITALISM if it were in their pants! HA!! We have not seen CAPITALISM here in America since 1913 in my opinion. How can there be true CAPITALISM as long as government and the US FED are constantly intervening?

I would add one more to your list of "problems" (iv)money based on DEBT!

GOVERNMENT IS ONLY AS HONEST AS ITS MONEY ...

Re: What happened with TSX?

TD Waterhouse are saying
" Toronto Exch Experiencing Same Problem As Dec. 17 "

Re: TSX data

I noticed the same thing - last index quote is 9,758.27, down -90.93, at 2:54 pm, every site I've checked. No news yet.

Re: What happened with TSX?

"The TSX has avoided the nuisance of a potential drop by ceasing operations from May through September"

night all.

bon weekend.

Re: Did Capitalism Fail?

"Most Americans would not know CAPITALISM if it were in their pants! HA!!"

You are going to need to copyright this one Kaimu.

Re: What happened with TSX?

I envision a crowbar thoroughly lodged in the server network, and legions of Bay Street "suits" exiting downtown early for the long weekend :)

Re: Did Capitalism Fail?

It's been a long while since I read it, and it may not have been true then, perhaps you can enlighten me.

I was told the Swedish system had gone beyond supportability and was causing a high rate of suicides.

This was from a person who moved here from Sweden in the early to mid 1970s.

Re: Bill Seidman

Grym -

Seidman was a voice of experience. Too bad, in his own admission, he created securitization during the S&L Crisis and Wall St later exploited the concept. He will be missed.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

It is quite simple torture doesn't not work, the main motivation behind our torture policy was not to protect the USA, it was to protect Bush=Cheney, they were the ones that got us into Iraq war and they had to prove themselfs correct. Torture was all about finding the link between 911 and Iraq. They never found it so the torture was a dismal failure. You can argue this point until the cows come home, but you can't argue the point that the borders were left wide open, the ports were left wide open, no protection for infrastruture.
Jesse Ventura a navy seal says he could get Cheney to confess to the Tate murders with a water board.

Re: What happened with TSX?

Re: What happened with TSX?

It's back online now...

TSX feed back ...

...

Re: Did Capitalism Fail?

Kaimu wrote : "socialist pig sty like the UK"

Others, using similar intemperate language as yours, might indeed call the UK
a "capitalist pig sty". And Stephen, very, very few Britons would want to return to that auspicious time in history, the Imperial Britain of 1913 where a tiny privileged class ruled not only ruled over 2/3 of the world but a far greater percentage of their own people, condemned to live in slums.

Really, was 1913 America all that great for the people?

PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

ALOHA !!

This article was published in PRAVDA, the Russian newspaper. Maybe PRAVDA will outlast the Washington Post!

Anyway ... it shows that even the Russians don't know what real CAPITALISM looks like. It is not what we have here in America today. This is USSA not USA! I disagree the initial testing ground was the advent of the US FED not Russia!

I cannot in whole disagree with what this guy says and truly the Russian people know how to suffer and they did stand up against their Communist regime. It is hard for me to understand my fellow Americans passivity, especially when we have the LEGAL RIGHT to abolish the current government directly under the Declaration Of Independence. What good are rights if you never intend to exercise them?

WHIMPER? Hummmmm ...

READ ON:
AMERICAN CAPITALISM GONE WITH A WHIMPER
May 4, 2009

By Stanislav Mishin

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite tv dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blindth the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

The final collapse has come with the election of Barrack Obama/ His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

Then came Barrack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker. END

Re: ETF CLOSING

Kaimu -

Those RAFI results are bloody pathetic. Give a geek a computer to model a spread sheet with a billion variables and he/she/it will always overlook a business cycle or two or three or 50. I recall developers and bankers pushing 10-year duration DCFs models in commercial real estate developments in the 1980s dependent upon constant growth for debt servicing success and I tirelessly argued that without a random downturn in there somewhere it would be doomed in, on average, five years ;) DCF models eventually fell out of favor because so many commercial loans failed even in the good times based on 100+ overly optimistic models. Banks then used cap rate suppression (easier credit) to make the numbers on up through the '90s up until Q4 '07 when the music stopped.

I guess with computer modeling (quants) and Fed bubble blowing, anyone who entered the business world after 1982 never saw a business cycle or knew what the hell it meant ... until now.

Required for an MBA: Business Cycles 101 or How I Learned to Love the Bomb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gb0mxcpPOU

Re: Did Capitalism Fail?

ALOHA !!

How will we ever know?

Is "socialist pig sty" too abrasive? How about "socialist wonderland"? Sorry if it was too offensive to the Brits and the Queen!

Really the American socialist pig sty is not any better as I have said here many times! Nothing is "official" in America until it is uncovered and forced into the light of day! While the UK is bound to socialized medicine the USA is technically bound but it is disguised by the SS/MED mess that will bite us all in the butt when it collapses and becomes "officially" socialized! I see no diff, its just TIME DELAYED SOCIALISM!

Back in 1913 it seems that even Pres Wilson regretted handing over our monetary system to the US FED. Oops ... too late!!

This is all just the unwinding of the US EMPIRE(the EMPIRE OF DEBT) ... no diff than the unwinding of the UK EMPIRE!

Re: Did Capitalism Fail?

arguing if capitalism failed is as pointless as arguing if communism failed.

both "isms" only existed on paper, in the minds of men, in practice neither system was ever truly followed, both suffering from the pitfalls of humanity.

so whatever failed in america, and whatever failed in russia tells us that both isms may in fact be the exact same sheep in wolfs clothing.

everyone loves the idea of free markets w/ various controls, accept that such controls are by their nature virtually impossible. they exist in small states or only for temporary periods, during great upheavals and crisis they become unearthed, never to be revived as the state over arches and begins spending beyond its means.

Re: Did Capitalism Fail?

"No, I don't think capitalism failed.

I think a very clever and complex fraud succeeded."

Grym - Good observation, I'm in agreement. A series of frauds were perpetrated on the global economy and these crimes are still being committed today.

GUY - Guyana Goldfields' fine financing

GUY's staff at PDAC was impressive, and had finished a pre-feasibility study for a mine. GUY has now announced $12M financing to produce a full feasibility study, with participation by the IFC, the World Bank affiliate which does wonders to reduce country risk. I suspect IFC wouldn't have signed on without a judgment that the project is for real.

As reported by IncaKola, which covers Latin American juniors:

http://incakolanews.blogspot.com/2009/05/guyana-go...

Thanks to Bill for introducing me to GUY's major owner, whose track record has earned him the nickname "Mr. Platinum", another positive aspect of GUY.

No position, DYODD

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

Kaimu, the choice of this Russian fascist's tirade reflects poorly on you, brother.
Go over to Puna and chill out a while.

Z.

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

This gentleman from Pravda dresses it up to make it sound intellectual, but really, his whole piece is just expressing delight in seeing an old (and arrogant) enemy about to experience some serious difficulty.

I think there was a fair amount of that here, when the Soviet Union fell. If I recall correctly.

And his son is probably gay too. :)

Progress

Seems like progress in DC has slowed to a crawl and the most recent FOMC meeting release did not present a sense of urgency. Since this time, economic news has been relatively disappointing, with indicators worse than expected.

The green shoots are feeling the effect of excess fertilizer.

Good thing government has a mechanism to control POG, otherwise they'd loose the PM battle immediately. It's upsetting that private capital is being kept from making good investment decisions in response to the economic catastrophe.

GDX failed to maintain support today, I suppose HB&B will stomp on these miners some more until the market discovers a positive direction.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

• It is quite simple torture doesn't not work,
• the main motivation behind our torture policy was not to protect the USA,
• it was to protect Bush=Cheney
• Torture was all about finding the link between 911 and Iraq.

You seem pretty confident, but it is still unconvincing to me.

This is all supposition on either your part or someone who you've heard or read.

We have no way of knowing any of this to be true.

I think going into Iraq was a colossally bad move, but there are too many conflicting possibilities and it is likely to be debated forever like the Pearl Harbor issue.

The borders, ports and a good many other points are still matters which bother me.

Seems to me the viability of torture would be as varied as the number of people involved and the degree and type applied. As to the quaity of info — that would also be of varied value.

Saying it never works is impossible to prove, but if we could get examples of attacks aborted by it — would you believe them?

Sounds doubtful.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Intel is an evil company. I know, I've been inside Intel. I've also worked with AMD and while there was treated with respect. Respect earns respect, I have positive thoughts of my experience working with AMD.

It seems like there's a lot of AMD bashers around lately, I guess they are paid.

torture

I can only speak for myself. I certainly would not want to be in a situation where I was ordered to torture someone, nor would I want to give that order myself. That kind of stuff is corrupting. To have this as a matter of national policy complete with guidelines - well, its definitely at its bureaucratic best here, but I'm definitely not in favor.

Yet we live in a world where, routinely, people give orders to kill one another. "Shoot that guy in the raft if he points a gun at his hostage." Which is worse - torture, or killing? One would expect the answer to be killing, since its much more permanent. Yet we have a police force. And a military. And a CIA with missiles on predator drones that are used to blow up houses in Pakistan that we are pretty sure have bad guys in them. And these are all potentially quite useful things, if employed properly.

I'm glad I'm just a trader and I don't have to deal with these sorts of things for real.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

"It is quite simple torture doesn't not work"

As payment for using a double negative, I sentence you to the following torture: Please complete the following math problem using only paper and pencil:

65536h XOR 65536h = ?

Re: 878.95

Got it. I did make some coin today, thanks to you. Great contributions!

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

I'm curious. I like to hold ideas and look at them from different angles. Like chess. So say it isn't possible to prove it works or never works.
How do we know unless you torture and we get info we could prove?

The problem is, we already have FBI interrogation and we KNOW it works and was working. So we have two choices. The proven and the not proven.

Now suppose you have some bad guy and you decide he isn't telling you something and you torture him 183 or whatever times.
At what point does this poor bastard get to prove a negative?
How long was John McCain tortured for something he didn't know?
The problem with this approach is it has unlimited opportunities for us to dehumanize ourselves and no way to ascertain if it's working or not.

If you don't know if it's working or not then it isn't and it's simply sadism.
There is no way to solve that inherent weakness. In the long run the laws are NOT there to protect foreign soldiers or terrorists, but our own soldiers and citizens.

They will never release anything proving any such assertion. Take it to the bank. If it's actual physical proof from a disinterested third party not involved in bailing their sorry behinds out of this mess with no axe to grind, then yes. As mom used to say, "I'm not holding my breath."

Edit: To add one *last* thing. I don't know how it's viewed and it's probably considered torture, but if it were my choice and I HAD to find out what somebody knew, I would use the full range of pharmaceuticals we have that could serve this purpose and are proven. Anyone here remember your last colonoscopy? Not afterward but during? How were you after wisdom tooth extraction? Out patient surgery?
Heck, I would have spilled the beans on my mother after my wisdom teeth and never known it. How about gas at the dentist? Geez, you could give em that stuff for colonoscopies and they wouldn't remember talking, they might tell you multiple times. And nitrous? Oh the stories they could tell.

No, I think they were sadists. Unimaginative sadists.

UNG

Mark,
Here is some info. Heavy call buying

http://www.optionmonster.com/news/article.jsp?page...
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More than 31,700 calls traded at the October 20 strike yesterday, dwarfing the average volume of 523 contracts, according to optionMONSTER's Heat Seeker tracking program. The calls included two large blocks--one of 4,000 contracts and the other of 22,000--trading at $1.45 within seconds of one another yesterday.

The vast majority of the calls, which were nearly five times the open interest at that strike, were bought at or near the ask price. The activity indicates that buyers anticipate the UNG exchange traded fund to reach $20 by the time the contracts expire in mid-October.

The ETF has been rising in recent weeks but is still not far from its 52-week low of $12.69 hit just April 30 and only about one-fourth of its $63.89 high from last July. The shares closed yesterday up 1.5 percent to $16.68.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Take the two basic possibilities of getting someone to do or not to do something — the carrot and the stick.

We can probably agree that some people will accept a bribe to give info.

We can also probably agree there are people who would not give out info at any price.

There is probably also be a middle ground (think bell curve) of people who would give out certain info for enough of a bribe, but not other kinds of info regardless of price.

All these variables, it seems to me would apply regarding torture. Both its use and its value.

The flat out assertion that no one will get usable info from any kind of torture on any person is just too strong for me to accept.

Info obtained by extraordinary measures would need to independently verified by additional testimony before any action would be taken.

Another variable is defining what is torture and what is not.

As for morality, how many deaths would you be willing to sustain to ease your moral conscience by refusing to apply a technique which would not be fatal?

In life there are many more gray areas than absolutes, IMO.

Of that I am absolutely sure :-)

AUY, KGC

Big volumes of july calls for AUY today & Aug call volumes for KGC. But almost all the goldminers look like they are about to roll-over??? Last week, agri names were selling off (POT, MOS) but there was big call volumes & then the upgrades came....

Re: Question for the crowd who sells covered calls here

I should have specified that my comment applies only to Canadians. The CCRA does not require a cost basis adjustment. The gains from the sale/write of an option are treated as capital gains. Canadians dealing with this question may want to read the following explanation ...

http://www.taxtips.ca/personaltax/investing/taxtre...

Top 11 Sells on Strength include FAZ and SRS

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

Wow... kaimu, you sure dig deep mate... last place where I would expect to see the name of Mishin is this blog, lol. Well known America-hater devoting his writing to explanation of how the West raped and robbed Mother Russia and how Holy Motherland will prevail and overcome and how USA will collapse, inevitably and very soon. It doesn't even matter whether there is any truth to his writing - he would have written just the same if there was nothing but roses in American situation. Actually his types did just that, over whole Soviet history we were taught that capitalism rots before our very eyes... one of those jokes for which one could go directly to jail in Stalin times was "Capitalism rots, no doubt... but jeez, what a heavenly scent!"

Anyway, I don't know if it matters at all to what you are trying to convey but I wanted to provide context to this:

"the Russian people... did stand up against their Communist regime."

They did not, really. Whole thing with USSR collapse had no root movement, nothing of uprising kind. Long story of course, maybe we have a chance to chat about those days next year in Freeport :)

Re: UNG

Call buying near asking price is a good indicator of a real demand for UNG. Is there a place where I can regularly see this information for various types of options?

I am planning to start buying UNG again, but I just want to wait for S&P to hit 850. There has been a noticeable correlation between UNG and FCX recently (which are doing completely different things), which means that UNG is no longer perceived as a "dog" and became a valid commodity player now, moving together with the other commodity stocks. The recent rally in commodities might have been a late stage rally, where those who were late to the rally decided to pile into the "forgotten" sector instead of the "overhyped" banking sector. But if the general market continues going south now, I think the industrial commodity stocks will continue south as well, since the hopes of a global recovery will dim temporarily.

interview with Charlie Munger

there is some useful information

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

ALOHA !!

Vadym ... Yes, its just one mans view that got published in PRAVDA. What? Should I always prefer just FOX NEWS and CNN all the time? HA!!

In Russia there are the oligarchs and in America they exist as well. You may call them what you will but to me they are not much different than the MAFIA. The only difference is that the American oligarchs do control a much more vast sum of dollars than the Russians ones do ...

Then there is the coup in 1991 ...

Russian coup link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_coup_attempt_o...

When this was happening I was working for a Russian company based in California with ties to the Ukraine(Kiev). The Russians I knew saw this as a liberation and in fact they all made plans to go back to the Ukraine to either stay or visit. At that time I was working for them from 1988 to 1992 doing electrical estimation and project management. They had a huge family and many ties to a lot of Russians who lived in San Francisco. Russians are a lot like the Hawaiians in that they have large extended families and they love to get together every weekend and "talk story"(socialize) and EAT! I had to study up on my Russian ... net English! Forget the congealed chicken fat ... Yeck! I don't even recall what the Russians called that. It was so awful and I did not want to know ... but they loved it! Leonid called it a "Russian delicacy"! Okay ... hummmm???

At any rate I did not live in Russia then so I do not know how much of a grassroots revolt it was. Russia is certainly a lot larger than just Moscow. Yes, I'd love to blab about Russian people, especially during the Communist regime's zenith. Da, spasibo ...

I am always critical of America and especially its government because of the huge sacrifice that our Founding Fathers made to make this Nation something more than just another elite aristocratic dictatorship! America is on a very slippery slope now and things are changing at a rapid rate. I do not trust the leadership that has resided in the US CONgress for many decades now. All they do is pocket bribes and pass the buck! I would hate to see America end up with an 'elected dictator" like Putin.

Poka en Freeport ... Da? Dobry vecher ...

ZadII ... Come on mate ... please ... can't you stand to read some tiny article that is critical of America? Are you that insecure that you cannot read news from a source outside the USA? Its not all just the SITUATION ROOM! I guarantee you there are a large number of people in the World now who do not really like what America has become. There's a lot of them here in America.

I agree some parts of this guys rant is just plain BS and bigotry, but this is what is in PRAVDA. I am sure the rants are worse than that in some of the news papers in the Middle East.

Do I love Russian government? NO ... but I'm not liking my own either!

PUNA? Look at a map ... that's where I live.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Try doing some more reseach grym, the facts are out there, I always need two or more sources. You can start with the fbi's spin on torture and then go to the army manual. Torture doesn't work and that is why it isn't supposed to be used. If you started a war based on lies, wouldn't you try to rationalize it anyway you could? A desperate situation makes you do anything to prove your case. Why would you expose your own covert CIA agent involve in WMDs (Plain). These are facts you just can't over look. It is a sad situation, I do reseach for my investment strategy I have no political affiliation. I will leave you to think about one thing, if torture works why is not John Mccain in jail for treason?

Sponge Bob

TOF- Is it not time to become SBSP?? I followed and added on the way up for what is now "real" money +58%. I've been down this road before with micro-micro stocks, and took profits at the end of the day. It might be a real winner, but what's the harm in taking some profits now? Just want to see you make some money on this.

inflation

so all govts are printing money, we reset ourselves to say 10% inflation, 10% + interest rates, annual pay increases north of 10%. People are not going to be complaining and will take more debts/continue to spend as there is a feeling of security. Since its happening globally, currency parity will remain more or less same. GDP will also return positive & they will statistically skew it in such a way to give us a good feeling. What happens then?

All the real assets inflate, contractual loan obligations (aka subprime mortgages become prime again). Housing & other assets are back in demand. Just the entire population & future generations will be sacrificing quite a bit of their lifestyle (consumer discretionary) to deal with inflation. We all become poorer or feel less wealthier a bit and the story goes on.

Is that the game plan going on here?

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

The ancient Greek philosopher, Plato, constructed a political theory based on the royal lie or myth. As described in Plato's Republic, the ruling elites of a political entity have the right to lie to their citizens-but not vice versa. The rationalization is that a royal lie and deception maintains social cohesion and prevents the collapse of the state. Thus platonic logic gives rise to the so-called stress test for American banks, the royal myth conceived by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, in order to deceive investors, market sentiment and the American people as to the true state of the nation's financial institutions.

Re: inflation

I think what happens is real assets inflate more than 10%, discretionary and oversupplied assets (cars, electronics, houses) inflate less (possibly even deflate), and I doubt even a 10% pay increase would help people who are underwater on their mortgage and being crushed by mortgage payments enough to stop the slide.

Not saying that isn't their plan, as I believe you are right (heck, that's why they target/condone 2-3% inflation generally I believe). Just saying how I think it plays out.

They could make it more than 10% to try and overwhelm the bad mortgage and consumer debt, and it's an interesting thought experiment as to what would happen then. I think there's a tipping point where people would basically panic, clean out supermarkets, horde anything they can and the economy would collapse. 2-3% is not noticeably.

Reminds me of a story a friend told me about a chicken farm (more like a factory): Warehouse containing some 20,000 chickens, kept nice and dark and very warm. Keeps the chickens clucking away peacefully like in a trance.

2-3% annual raises keeps the populate punching the clock, clucking away, peacefully shopping like in a trance.

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Craig, when the torture started the FBI pull out, it was the FBI that got the creditable information before the CIA and torture. When the CIA and outside contractors came in is when they got junk information. I really think FBI director Mueller was very clear on this, he pulled out his FBI team immediately when torture was introduced by the CIA. This to me is not an discussion on whether torture works or not, it is an discussion on the integrity of government. I think it is fairly established that torture is illegal, if our government will do illegal acts, where do they stop. I also feel that this torture was done for political purposes which makes it even more of a crime.

Re: inflation

i remember long back, definition of an unstable currency used to be more than 5% swing over many years or something like that, so companies were required to report their results in a stable currency. But when USD started swinging from 85 cents to 1 EUR to something like 140 cents to 1 EUR, nobody demanded results be reported in a more stable currency.

Maybe just like that they will reset the bar from 2-3% inflation level to 7-10% inflation level. Five or six years from then, all bad mortgages are back in good shape (currently there is transfer of assets taking place betw one group of sellers to another group of buyers with fed underwriting 30 year loans). Taxes will increase, health care might become more affordable like Europe and then we would be downsizing quite a lot. Nobody complains about high prices of property in Manhattan, not the common man. So more and more real assets will be priced out for common people, we will drive smaller cars/use public transport. As a percentage we will spend more on food, rent & less disposable income to spend on consumer discretionaries.

Migraton to a developing economy :) unless we strike some oil offshore like Norway did. Then we really have to strike it big becoz of the population....

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Kaimu - Vadym ... Yes, its just one mans view that got published in PRAVDA. What? Should I always prefer just FOX NEWS and CNN all the time? HA!!

Sources matter. All sources have biases, but some are more so than others.

As I understand it, Vad was saying this source of yours is extremely biased. As a result, using such a source to support your argument is a "false attribution" fallacy, which occurs when an advocate appeals to an irrelevant, unqualified, unidentified, biased or fabricated source in support of an argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_attribution

Or put more simply, it is tantamount to using a stopped clock to support your claim as to what time it is. You might be right about the time, but selecting a functioning clock is more likely to be convincing to others.

Strong work

here is an analysis worth reading..
http://tinyurl.com/p4obpn

sorry, repeat post.

sorry, repeat post.

More about correlation between Gold and Stocks

Spurred by Dr Cosa and Bill, I wanted to analyse a little more the relation between stocks, gold and gold stocks, according to the trends.
My "discovery" is probably already known, but I think it can be interesting.
I analysed 10 days periods (I mean 10 consecutive active days, that is 2 weeks or more in case of day off) with a simple average, and starting January 1 2007.
The average results are as follows:
With SP500 between -25.0% and -10.0%: SP500 -14.1%, GDX -15.6%, GLD -2.0%
With SP500 between -9.9% and -5.0%: SP500 -6.6%, GDX -0.3%, GLD +2.4%
With SP500 between -4.9% and -0.0%: SP500 -2.1%, GDX +0.0%, GLD +0.9%
With SP500 between +0.0% and +4.9%: SP500 +1.6%, GDX +1.4%, GLD +0.6%
With SP500 between +5.0% and +9.9%: SP500 +6.9%, GDX +5.4%, GLD -0.2%
With SP500 between +10.0% and +16.4%: SP500 +13,2%, GDX +19.8%, GLD +2,7%
The results are clear: when the markets are weak, the simple GLD is the best safe house, because gold stocks are weak too; on the contrary when the markets are growing, the gold shares are even more bullish.

An interactive map of

An interactive map of vanishing employment across the country, updated with the latest figures.

http://www.slate.com/id/2216238/

Very dynamic colour change, as one fast forwards from 2006 to 2009.

From John Mauldin's e-letter: employment as indicator

The typical pundit keeps telling us unemployment is a lagging indicator, and that the recovery will be well under way before it shows up in the job numbers. Therefore, you should buy what they are selling, because the recovery is on its way. But that may not be the case this time. One of my favorite reads, when I get to see it, is the economic analysis from Bridgewater. They are among the best thinkers anywhere, and everyone who follows them gives them a great deal of credence. This is what they wrote about unemployment being a lagging indicator last month:

"Normally, labor markets lag the economy because incremental spending transactions are financed via debt, stimulated by interest rate cuts. But as long as credit remains frozen, spending will require income, and income comes from jobs. And debt service payments are made out of income. *Therefore, in a deleveraging environment job growth becomes an important leading, causal indicator of demand and other economic conditions.*

"... The bounce in the economy and the stabilization in markets reflect government actions that are big enough to impact near-term growth rates, but are not sufficiently directed at the root problem of excessive indebtedness to produce permanent healing. The deterioration in employment markets will continue because companies' profit margins are so deeply damaged that a little bounce in growth won't do much to alter their need to cut costs. This deterioration in labor markets will undermine demand and continue to pressure loan losses, which will keep the pressure on the banks and elevate the cost of capital for tentative borrowers, inhibiting credit expansion."

This again illustrates the problem of using past performance to project future results. You have to look at the underlying conditions in order to get a real comparison, and we have not seen a deleveraging recession in the US for 80 years. Using the past data in today's world is statistical masturbation: it may make you feel good, but it is not producing anything really useful, and may be harmful to your portfolio

John Mauldin - discussion on revised economic indicators

sorry the posts are long, but interesting weekend reading:

Why does government data need to be revised so often? Is it conspiracy, as some claim, or is it methodology? And if it is methodology that leads to faulty data, then why not change the methodology?

Can I Have Some More of that Data, Please?

One of my regular reads is the blog The Big Picture. They featured a short piece by Michael Panzner this week. He put together some rather interesting data and then asked a question, which gives me an opportunity for discussing government data. Let's see what he had to say, and then I will make my comments.

"Many market-watchers claim that U.S. economic statistics are increasingly being revised downward in subsequent periods, suggesting that the figures initially being reported by Washington are "puffed up," so to speak, most likely for political purposes.

"Well, I went back and had a look at the differences between the reported and revised data for various series, including monthly retail sales, nonfarm payrolls, industrial production, and durable goods orders, to try and figure out if the cynics are right.

"Using data from Bloomberg, I calculated whether the revised data for each month was lower than the first-cut estimate. Then I tabulated 12-month running totals for each series to see if there has been some sort of systematic bias (in other words, whether the pattern of monthly downward revisions was trending higher instead of undulating up and down).

"To make the comparisons easier, I subtracted the 12-month tally as of May 2002 (an arbitrarily chosen date) from the monthly totals for all four economic series so that the starting point for each would be the same — zero.

"Based on a quick read of a graph of the data (see below), it does seem as though the pattern of negative revisions has been trending higher lately, especially during the past year or so, suggesting that the cynics may be on to something.

(graph location):

www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/is-us-government-dat...

12-Month Running Totoal of the Number of Downward Revisions to Originally Report Data

"That said, I am not a statistician, and the results may be nothing more than "noise." There is also the possibility that my methodology is lacking (because, for example, the margins-of-error for each month's data are relatively large, or because of certain quirks that crop up when an economy is in transition). Still, you gotta wonder..."

Actually, Mike (can I call you Mike?) your last thought is the correct one: "or because of certain quirks that crop up when an economy is in transition."

Go back to 2003-04. Notice that the numbers of downward revisions in non-farm payrolls are negative in your graph? Remember all the talk back then about the "jobless recovery"? We can now look back and see there were a lot of jobs being created. They just did not show up in the early statistics. And look at the opposite reaction in industrial production: here they revised strongly downward for a the better part of two years, yet it turned out there was a production boom going on.

Was all this a conspiracy on the part of the Bush administration to make things look worse than they actually were? Hardly seems like rational political behavior.

The "problem" comes from the methodology. There is no exact data for any of those statistics. They have to get as much data as they can and then make estimates. Part of the process of estimation uses previous trends. It is as if we were using past performance of a mutual fund or stock to project future returns. Even though we look at the past performance, we should know that past performance is not indicative of future results. Just look at some of the top-performing value-oriented mutual funds in the recent bear market, like superstar Bill Miller's Legg Mason Value Trust fund (LMVTX), the after-fee returns of which had beaten the S&P 500 index for 15 consecutive years, from 1991 through 2005. It did rather poorly last year, even in comparison with the S&P, which was horrid. Past performance is interesting, but it can disappoint. And sometimes rather viciously.

Now, just as saying that a fund on average will produce a 10% return does not mean that it will yield 10% every year, neither do government statistics work that way. While the methodology for each series of data is different, they all are more or less trend-following. They take past relationships in the data they can gather and use them to estimate current numbers. And -- this is important -- on average and over longer periods of time, they are pretty accurate.

They will revise the data many times over the coming years, getting closer and closer to the actual numbers. For instance, I can't remember exactly when, but it was several years later that we learned that we were already in a recession in the third quarter of 2000, at the very time most economists were calling for a robust economic future! (Except for your humble analyst, who was predicting a recession, and had been for some time because of the inverted yield curve, but that's another story.)

But in the short run, at economic transitions they are going to get it wrong, because the backward-looking data is mean-reverting. But how else would you do it? One of the keys to economic transitions is to look at the direction of the revisions. Recently, the revisions have all been negative. Things are actually getting worse than the initial data suggested. And during the last recovery the data kept getting revised upward, especially six months and one year later.
The Fault, Dear Brutus, is Not in Our Stars

Look again at the very useful chart above (great work, wish I had thought of it!). Non-farm payrolls, which for some odd reason everyone pays attention to, is especially wrong at the turns. Anyone trading on non-farm payroll data deserves the losses they will get.

One of the reasons that non-farm payrolls are so often revised is that the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) is forced to estimate the number of new businesses being created each month that are simply under the radar screen of government statisticians. This number is called the birth/death ratio. You could not create a useful payroll number without this estimate, yet it is simply a wild-eyed guess based on past trends, which by definition we know will change at economic turning points.

Further, almost no one pays attention to the fine print in the data, which talks about margin of error. The statisticians clearly understand the limits of their data, even if the public does not. Often, the margin of error is larger than the number being given, so that a positive number may actually turn out to be negative, and vice versa, when viewed from a few years out.

As Cassius said in Julius Caesar, "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Faith-Based Economics

Should we cast aspersions on the data creators? I rather think not. The various government statistics creators are doing their best to give us information that, over time, will be useful. Some is more useful than others in real time. Some has large time lags before it is accurate. To expect the BLS or the Commerce Department to have accurate current data is expecting them to know the future. The very people who are the most critical would never presume to be accurate about the prices of stocks six months out (or even one month), on a consistent basis. Yet that is the kind of prescience they want from government statisticians.

Do you really want data from government sources that makes assumptions about economic recoveries and recessions? That is the job of independent economists, and they generally do it pretty badly. There is no need for the government to compound the errors.

Again, repeating myself, anyone who trades on government statistics as being anywhere close to accurate in real time deserves any losses they get. They are at best a foggy window through which we peer into the future. Taken together, and with some seasoning of time, they can be rather useful; but to pin hopes of a recovery or a bull-market run on one week's data is hazardous to one's wealth.

Reading and watching all the analysts and economists who "see" recovery in one set of data or another makes me wonder what sort of faith-based economics they actually practice. Just as it requires faith to believe in God, it also requires a lot of faith to believe in forecasts made on a single month's set of data, or based on past performance.

Are you interested in finding a real green shoot? Let's look for a quarter when the economic data keeps getting revised upward, two and three months out. That will signal a real recovery. As long as the data is being revised downward, the economy is "having issues," as my kids would say.

Quick sidebar to those who keep asking: Yes, I think we have seen the worst of the economic data, as far as GDP goes. But that does not mean we don't have further negative quarters in our future. I just don't think they will be a negative 6 like they have been the last two quarters. And we may even see a quarter this year with a positive number. But take it with a grain of salt when the usual suspects declare the end of the recession. Look into the data that produces the numbers. As Gary Shilling points out, eight of the last eleven recessions have had a positive quarter, only to see more negative quarters follow. GDP numbers are quirky. But here's to hoping for a real recovery when we do see the next positive number.

Saturday Morning Coffee: Not Reinventing the Wheel

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

Vadym,

Thanks for the clarification. Something we all need to remember — it is quite easy to take at face value a commentary which sounds plausible, especially if it conforms to or confirms something we've already believed or suspected to be true.

[BTW, this is one of the more important points in Taleb's "Black Swan". His market views get much more coverage, but his observations about human tendencies seem to me much more universal.]

This applies to any topic — history, politics or the markets.

The internet is a two-edged sword, able to inform or misinform. As we may remember in the announce of votes tallied in Florida a few years ago — the media at times seems to think speed is more important than accuracy. We need to constantly seek verification from other sources.

Note: Internet commentaries often stem from the same original source, thus rather than confirming are simple duplications. (A bit like saying 100 people who worked for the same company for 10 years have 1000 years of experience. No, the are 100 people with the same, or at best, similar experience.)

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

What you state in this post is, of course, possible.

"If you started a war based on lies, wouldn't you try to rationalize it anyway you could?"

On the other hand, if you are convinced the war was started based solely on lies, you may also try to rationalized that position. It is human nature.

"A desperate situation makes you do anything to prove your case."

Try to put yourself into the position of feeling pressured by the possibility of another attack. This time with nuclear or chemical materials. Each day you receive bits of info which heighten the tension. Saddam had used chemical warfare on Iran (and the Kurds, I believe).

[BTW, I was in an army chemical unit and taught a few classes on CBR—chemical, biological, nuclear— decon. Much of the material showed examples from WWII experiments by the Nazis and the results of Hiroshima and Nagasaki — unforgettable!]

We had first hand accounts of his torture (far more than waterboarding) and seen videos on TV.

A desperate situation may also cause a wrong decision. Anyone who has had to make immediate life or death decisions may easily go too far. I never had to do so under battle field conditions, but have a good friend who has and admits they were not always the right ones.

I am not an Obama fan (voted for him once and regret it), but I am not surprised he is backing off of some of his campaign rhetoric regarding war in the mid-east, Gitmo, trials of detainees — he now sees the reports Bush saw for eight years — we do not and won't.

I once had 20 minutes to decide if my dad should have major open heart surgery. Fortunately it was OK and he lived another three enjoyable years.

"I will leave you to think about one thing, if torture works why is not John Mccain in jail for treason?"

You lose me here. McCain put up a remarkably strong resistance to the tortue he faced. His opinion is we should not use it and that it does not work. (at least on him). Expressing such an opinion is not traitorous.

As I have said, the Iraq invasion was a bad decision — misconceived, undermanned, short on post combat planning — a total screwup. It was also poorly explained. Bush allowed the media to slap on the simplistic sound-bite labels they love and WMD became the primary goal, followed by regime change, nation building, none of which alone can justify the cost in lives or dollars, IMO.

India’s Ruling Party Set for Decisive Victory

NEW DELHI — The ruling Indian National Congress was poised Saturday to soar to a surprisingly decisive victory in India’s parliamentary elections, sidelining small, regional party bosses and potentially diminishing the power of communists who had been largely responsible for blocking economic reforms over the last five years
The apparent margin of victory surprised even party officials.
The projected victory margin, which exceeds exit polls, may help extend the country’s longest stock rally in three years. India’s benchmark Sensex climbed 23 percent this year.

“The Nifty can cross 4,000 within a week and the Sensex can touch 14,000 by June-end,” said Devesh Kumar, managing director of Mumbai-based Centrum Broking Pvt. “Foreign institutional investor participation may go up.”

expect Indian stock market to soar and ADR holder will be benefit

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Vinod,

Interesting and seems obvious to many of us. I don't think we have any more brain power than the people did back then, so I expect many of them were aware of the picture.

It appears that the universal cure for disillusionment is... (drum roll here)

Re-illusionment

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

davefairtex it is certainly true that during the heyday of Communism Pravda was the official propaganda machine for the Communist Party, laughably so. There are certainly biases on their reporting today I am sure BUT I wouldn't be so smug to think your sources of media Stateside are any better. What I think many of you who are fed a steady diet of US media should realize is there is a very real 'agenda' at play in the US as well, the 5th estate has been violated. I think the stopped clock comment is very appropriate as it probably better applies to US media.

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I have eschewed involvement in most of these long discussions, instead favoring terse trading posts. Sincerely, with the greatest respect for all who post here, today I read every post and am in awe of the intelligent, informative comment on both sides (and all topics). Not intent to boast, but I am certain I can make adult judgements regarding content and veracity. I welcome Kaimu's post as much as those of Vadym and others. I still love the USSA, but we are still far off track as a nation. Harsh words can help focus our attention. Now for some outside garden work and fresh air.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

"Take the two basic possibilities of getting someone to do or not to do something — the carrot and the stick.
We can probably agree that some people will accept a bribe to give info.
We can also probably agree there are people who would not give out info at any price.
There is probably also be a middle ground (think bell curve) of people who would give out certain info for enough of a bribe, but not other kinds of info regardless of price.
All these variables, it seems to me would apply regarding torture. Both its use and its value."

This might be true if all things were equal, but we know for a FACT they are not.

The carrot and stick are not equal. This is my line of work so I can tell you for a fact that the carrot alone is 60% more effective than the stick.
Combined with absolute minimal use of a negative reinforcer (some form of stick in a large escalating range) it is even more effective. This is because we can then repel from the negative and entice with the positive, a two way tool. Much faster and more effective. When the negative reaches physical pain it no longer functions as an impetus because the subject will now do anything to stop it, the positive is lost, and the subject panics (fight/flight) or shuts down (gives up to die). A perfect example for our discussions: Dog shock (training) collars. These can be set from a very mild sensation that is a negative the dog tries to avoid, to all out shocking like a fence charger that will shut a dog down to the point they literally lie there and give up. I don't use them and I don't recommend them because people are sadistic little btards and some people have no conscience or self control. If it weren't for the fact that I see people that profess to love their dogs inadvertently abuse them without really paying much attention to it I might be less worried about waterboarding, but we treat each other exactly the same way. AAMOF, I think I just saw some news story about some idiot using one his kids. You can see what happens when we open this door.

People keep coming up with this false doomsday scenario to justify something that doesn't work, dehumanizes the society doing it and endangers it's own people subjecting them to torture. I read some testimony yesterday that says this scenario is so rare as to not happen and that it didn't happen with 9/11. If this were such a strong concern, then why do we still fly U.S. mail in the belly of commercial flights that hasn't been screened while we screen every passenger and their luggage down to their shoes and shaving cream? Why do we not screen every container of cargo at the source before it arrives in NY, LA, Seattle, Long Beach, etc.? We have the tools to do so quickly, yet we have gaping holes in our DEEP CONCERN. If a nuke is a concern then someone is either asleep, it's total BS, or there is another motive. My BS meter is fricking pegged....and another motive is suspected but unproven with our current info.

In light of those facts, I would use the PROVEN methods and get better information sooner. The opposite choice gets false admissions to stop the pain and turns the subject to pure animal survival mode (they fight), shuts them down entirely (they decide they will die), or worse yet, KILLS them precluding getting any information. Some of these guys are suicidal already, so the hard line is even LESS useful as they go right to the last square right away. They'll be martyrs. The logic for torture is lost with suicidal nut jobs. Ah but meds....sodium pentothal, and some others, seem to work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_drug

Some risk... but the negatives, like killing your informant, are much lower and in some cases, he/she won't even remember it so you can strike up a conversation later.... Still considered torture though. I'd say that would be gray area, but I would eliminate as much of it as possible.

On an escalating scale I would exhaust all proven productive methods first.
183 times? Undebatable total failure.

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The Pravda article was simply a reiteration of Solzhenitsn's Harvard address three decades ago. The effective renationalization of Russia's assets from the corrupt and thieving oligarchs is an example that we may wish to consider...Kto znyiu?

don coxe and gold

posted don coxe's weekly conference call and an updated GLD chart on the blog,
the position of gold right now is to say the least...interesting,

http://jglobal.blogspot.com/

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Ponimayo.

Good catch, Ross.

The day the Feds encircle the Vintage Club as they did the Branch Davidians's compound at Waco is the day I'll start believing ...

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yvrapx - I wouldn't be so smug to think your sources of media Stateside are any better...

I didn't grow up in the Soviet Union so I cannot speak to any comparison of virtue between the two media. For that, ask someone like Vad, who lived under both systems. He has a basis to compare, not me. That's why I didn't try and make such a comparison!

I just wanted to comment that bias in sources does matter, and the stronger the bias, the more it matters, because using strongly biased sources actually hurts your argument. And I am usually inclined to agree with much of what Kaimu says. As a result, I want his sources to be good ones.

Usually Kaimu uses published treasury balance sheets as his sources which are, shall we say, more difficult to refute. :)

Then again, unless you lived in Russia, how would you know some Pravda writer had such a history? That's the fun thing about this place. There's often someone here who will pop out of nowhere and say "Hey, I work in the XYZ industry, and here's the real story as I see it."

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Dave,

good analogy with broken clock earlier.

Difference between media propaganda in Soviet Union and USA is this:
In USSR you would get one and only point of view - one of the state. No matter which newspaper you open, which TV channel or radio station you tune in, it's "Long live Soviet Union, Communist Party leads us to the victory, Hail to Great Lenin, Thank you dear (insert the name of the current leader) for our happy childhood, Round of applause to the coal miner X who set new record" etc. Dissent is unthinkable. Read and rejoice.

In USA you have biases, propaganda, agenda and whatnot - BUT you have different sides, different biases and points of view, critique, investigative journalism, back and forth arguments... you may not think US media is free enough or truthful enough or independent enough but look at it through the eyes of a x-soviet citizen for whom independent journalist equals dead journalist... Perspective will change :)

Oh, and about that guy's agenda/history... as soon as you see a writer referring to Russia as Holy, Mother etc, your "nationalist and West hater" alert starts blinking... and when you see "West robbed... raped.. ", and case is closed. Their vocabulary hasn't changed in decades :)

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It seems to me that some of the proposed scenarios coming from the Russian propaganda machine are often just a bit outside of credible. The same phenomenon occurs to me in consideration of the feed from the American propaganda machine. It's pretty obvious these feeds are spreading a slurry of political agenda.

Fortunately, we are able to verify through fact checking and beehive mentality. For instance, I'm still waiting for evidence supporting claims of saving or creation of 4 Million jobs... And why such concern over the situation in Pakistan? It seems to me, the "enemy" there could be "killed" with kindness, assuming it's any of our business in the first place. There's something else going on here, we need disclosure. Where's the beef, man?

Now for an interesting thought from Bill Moyers' program:

Have you ever wondered how those items in your shopping cart compare in terms of environmental impact during their entire product life cycle? I recommend the following website for ecologically conscientious consumers:

http://www.goodguide.com/

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"The carrot and stick are not equal. This is my line of work so I can tell you for a fact that the carrot alone is 60% more effective than the stick."

Craig,

Do you have a garden or are you in forestry? Just kidding. Dog trainer?

Saying something won't happen or couldn't happen is difficult to prove at best. What you site may be the preferred way, the best way, whatever. What I am arguing is in opposition to the definite assumptions which were laid out. That it has not prevented further attacks is an unknown as is that it never could do so.

In addition, it seems to me to be unfair to condemn others behavior under extreme conditions, from an arm chair while sipping a beer or cup of coffee.

We obviously will not agree on this issue and probably neither of us will ever be in a position to be tested.

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"Torture doesn't work and that is why it isn't supposed to be used."

I agree fully with the last part of your statement, but, sadly, evidence does exist regarding the successful use of torture to illicit a desired act. Take the case of the 83 crewmembers of the naval intelligence ship USS Pueblo held captive for 11 months by North Korea in 1968. Although there was resistance and even notable heroic acts of defiance to the brutal coercion, in the end, a letter of confession was signed by all the men.

“The crew cooperated with their captors, appearing in press conferences and public appearances criticizing the US government. North Korea gave the US representative of the armistice commission a letter, signed by the entire Pueblo crew, admitting the ship had violated the communist country's waters and committed "hostile acts." According to the letter, the crew expressed no anger at their captors, but rather guilt for their own actions.

To understand these confessions, we need to look at North Korean brutality. The North Koreans beat Charles Law for six hours with a hammer handle while a communications technician was struck 250 times with a two-by-four block of wood and left, semi-conscious, in a pool of his blood. The technician confessed to everything, including escape plans from a James Bond movie.

It also must be said that the men did resist with subtle language and hints, indicating that their confessions were not of their free will. Commander Bucher, after being beaten and tortured, signed the confession with a false serial number and date of birth. One letter had at the bottom in tiny Morse code "this is a lie."

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

I agree that torture will directly cause an some type of respond, mostly what the captors want to hear. Wasn't it the men of the Pueblo that had a picture taken with their captor's all smiling and buddy like? Only problem was that each one of the happy captors were giving the finger to the camera. This was a picture worth a 1000 words.

Re: don coxe and gold

Dr.cosa: The TBT failed support 5/11 at $51.18 but is up for re-election starting Monday. I'm expecting it will find support, but the FED can buy Treasuries at any time, so it's essentially a bet against the FEDERALES and for the people, right?

I'm staying out of their way if possible, look what happened to Chrysler bond holders. Supposedly the second best bond is an MCD bond?

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

"In USA you have biases, propaganda, agenda and whatnot - BUT you have different sides, different biases and points of view, critique, investigative journalism, back and forth arguments..."

Which disguises the propaganda much better than in the USSR and makes it much more difficult to fight against. In the USSR everyone could clearly SEE the propaganda, while in the USA the public mind is manipulated so stealthly that public actually *believes* that it was their own *independent* thinking that led them to conclude that something is the way it is (e.g., that we should bomb Iraq and kill thousands innocent people because they have weapons of mass destruction that can kill *millions* of people).

Economist: A new global system is coming into existence

http://tinyurl.com/r3eo8s

"It has been assumed that China will have to move towards the Western model. But why not the other way round? Western countries adopted free capital markets, as the British adopted free trade in the 19th century, because it suited them. Will China now be able to call the shots? Uncomfortable as it might be for the West, the next monetary order is more likely to be made in Beijing than in New Hampshire."

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

Well, you have different points of view being presented and you can derive your conclusions. I am not sure how you can create absolutely unbiased and objective media reporting - reports and articles and editorials are written by people, right? :) And hey, you CAN come in here and say "Media is lying!", and stay alive and free.

But, it's a mistake to think that "In the USSR everyone could clearly SEE the propaganda". It's easy to see when you are looking from the outside with the knowledge of what the rest of the world looks like. It's very difficult if you don't have point of reference. Let me try and describe it.

Iron curtain took care of information flow from beyond the border; history books were written by party faithful and brainwashing started from toddler age. First portrait you saw in your kindergarten was one of grandfather Lenin with kind smile. Your first ABC-book told you about him, about great Party, about great Revolution that created the greatest state on Earth, subject of envy and inspiration of working masses all over the world. As you grow up, the pressure is increasing. You go through several (3 to be exact) politically charged youth organizations which serve as preparation for the Communist Party membership. In each of them you study "political science" and prepare for the next step. School continues with gradually deepening political, umm, let's call it education; so does college and university, with political subjects being mandatory courses ending with exams. To be sure, all this science comes to "socialism is great, capitalism is awful; USSR is the best, USA is pure evil". Every book, every movie, every play go through the censorship committees; only foreign books that are being translated are those that are critical of capitalistic society. Broadcasts from abroad are limited to "strike here, civil disobedience there".

Getting the idea of just how difficult it is to see through the lie when you have no point of reference? :)

Re: Economist: A new global system is coming into existence

Moving to china or india model is not going to work (capital flow restrictions, managed FX rates, zero transparency). That would contract the capital flows to such levels where we might all start off again as developing countries and erect tall barriers around the country. I am not saying that is impossible or will not happen but would be such a painful transition (something like going from www to local networks for good). What we need is a strong counterbalance to bring the bully (US & all other borrowers) to rein in their drunken charade of excessive spending....

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

"Getting the idea of just how difficult it is to see through the lie when you have no point of reference? :)"

Vadym, you are probably right about the majority of the people in the USSR. But it seems like the "educated class" knew what was going on -- as a child living in Moscow, I have NEVER heard anyone of my parent's friends repeating convincingly any of the official propaganda. It seems like the eyes of all my parent's friends were set on the West and most of them ended up here as soon as the border was open for emigration into "Israel" in 1989.

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

Oh, absolutely. Educated class, or Intelligentsia, of course understood a lot. Some of them accepted the rules of the game and cynically made their careers. Some simply kept silent and quietly hated the Soviet reality, discussing it in the kitchens amongst closest friends. It's thanks to them this phenomenon of Samizdat appeared and blossomed (as much as something so illegal and dangerous could blossom anyway). Samizdat saved hundreds banned books and allowed them to move under the radar from one night reader to another. And you are totally right, these circles were the first to leave the country as soon as doors started opening.

Lead in your Garden Soil?

"For Urban Gardeners, Lead Is a Concern
Patrick Andrade for The New York Times

CROP WOES Frank Meuschke learned the soil in his Brooklyn garden has high levels of lead.

Published: May 13, 2009

FRANK MEUSCHKE’S garden, which surrounds the house he rents in Brooklyn, is a bountiful source of tomatoes, snap peas, green beans, peppers, lettuce and multiple varieties of flowers. It is also, as he recently discovered to his dismay, a rich repository of lead. He had his soil tested last month, and the analysis showed more than 90 times the amount of lead expected to occur naturally."

So if your home is pre-80's and may have been painted with lead based paint, you might want to test your soil. I suppose if you live in Cali., the drought puts the kibosh on your victory garden plans anyway?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/garden/14lead.ht...

CTAB trader's JCP Trade

Bill,

Since the JCP Credit Spread has been morphed into a Synthetic Short Call (Short Stock + Short Put) what is your exit strategy if JCP does not fall below $25?

I see Fibonacci support above $25 going back to 2001.
http://tinyurl.com/pptttv

Vadym, how is the House Prices?

Hey Vadym,

I'm starting to look around for property to purchase and rent out. My intent is to have it located in a place I like to visit. Victoria (and area) are one of my favorites. Since Tofino is way too expensive, have the housing prices retreated in your area and if so, have they started to bottom?

Thanks in advance

Shannon

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

ALOHA !!

DA COMRADES ... to all!

Propaganda is rampant in the USA! It comes in many insidious forms.

I'll start off light ...

One I mention a lot is OPRAH! She disseminates tons of propaganda that tends to only support one viewpoint ... CELEBRITY views which tend to be HER VIEWS! The one major bit of monetary propaganda she puts out is WEALTH=DEBT! Now she has had a show on DEBT, but it was purely from a credit card aspect where consumers spend too much, where she goes into people's homes and asks a lady why she has 60 bras. Then she turns around to promote OPRAH'S FAVORITE STUFF! Hey SPEND MORE! She does not go any further on the subject of DEBT than the surface stuff ... the entertaining DUH stuff!

Then there is the heavyweight we in America know as "FEDVA" ... the US FED ... MY GOD ... according to the US FED there is only ONE VIEW ... theirs! The US FED has about as much transparency as the KREMLIN in 1965! The FOMC meeting minutes are just pure canned double FED speak! Can we even remotely get a third party audit of US gold reserves in this century?

Then there is the BLS ... could you put out any more biased propaganda than the jobs numbers and the CPI? Yet it is GOSPEL!

There's the IRS Gestapo ... CID ... Google it!

The US TREASURY and its math deficiencies where MORE DEBT is the answer to MORE DEBT. Where they play hide the line item and that really productive fun game they call "ON BUDGET-OFF BUDGET"!

Then we get to the biggest US propaganda machine known as the US CONgress! These guys "LIE" for a living! Can there be a more useless committee than the ETHICS COMMITTEE?

Then we trickle on down to all the State and County and even School Board levels. Its just endless spiraling special interests and hidden agendas where we hear one thing and then we get another ...

Yet the ultimate pyramid con game propaganda ... the GRAND DADDY ... is yet to be even "officially" exposed or even remotely hinted at on US GOVERNMENT levels or even BIS levels is the ... REGIME DE LE FIAT! That's been one BIG major brainwashing and Soviet style Stalinist propaganda with a capital P since 1913!

TRUTH ... "T-R-U-T-H" ... where is that ultra-rare commodity reside? What government has a patent on that?

I have an old fashioned bookmarker I use that I got from Mises.org and on it is a quote from Ludwig Von Mises that sums it all up in my opinion ...

"Government is essentially the negation of liberty."

Think on it ...

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

"Do you have a garden or are you in forestry? Just kidding. Dog trainer?"

Grym, Interesting, but you got me on all three! I have a garden, a few acres of timber and I train dogs (more people really) and judge herding events. And I'm an admitted coffee addict. Maybe three beers a year, not big on the beer.
Makes me lazy....

"In addition, it seems to me to be unfair to condemn others behavior under extreme conditions, from an arm chair while sipping a beer or cup of coffee."

I know you don't mean Obama when you say this....LOL!!!!!
So does this mean you're going to forgive Nancy Pelosi? :>)

ROTFLMAO!!!!

You and I should be quite happy we (hopefully) never will be in such a position. Thank goodness for that.

Re: Vadym, how is the House Prices?

Hi Shannon,

not much of a retreat here... there was some but nothing even close to what you'd expect during global crisis. Victoria is a somewhat unusual place in this regard. You can look at charts to get better idea of average prices and dynamics of offers and actual sales at http://www.vreb.ca/mls_statistics/index.html for current month and http://www.vreb.ca/mls_statistics/historical_stati... for the previous months.

Tofino's nice place to drop by for a few days but it's way too small for anything over a week, IMO. Matter of taste of course :)

S&P 500 earnings

http://www.chartoftheday.com/20090515.htm?T

Perhaps present equity prices remain a tad overpriced?

Dollar squeeze

Re: Dollar squeeze

From that article
two wild cards:

Europe: QE and loss recognition are just getting started. Euro banks are wildly levered relative to US banks, thus an EM crisis could cripple not only the EM countries going bad, but the other Euro countries with bank exposure. Thus, a Latvia/Hungary/Poland crisis becomes an Austrian (80% GDP in bank exposure to EM's)/Swiss (50% GDP exposure)/UK (25% of GDP exposure) crisis. In Switzerland's case, though non-Euro, UBS and CS have assets that are a sizable multiple of Swiss GDP. So, I can make an argument that down the road a euro currency and/or Swissie crisis is a real possibility, which may lead to a shift to dollars and less talk about diversification from the likes of OPEC and China.

China: Everybody's wild card, but mine for a different reason. How fast can China become a consumer-driven society? Can they begin to absorb their own factory output? Does the fact that they are a command economy make it easier and faster for them to make the switch from exporter (which is killing them worse than if they were a importer like the US) to self-contained consumer? If so, a strong yuan is in their interest, as it gives them a competitive advantage in the commodity markets being able to outbid dollar holders and get the feedstock for their burgeoning number of (currently useless) factories. The advantage might (it's a huge population after all) offset losses on their dollar portfolio. I certainly think they are better able to adjust to the export loss than Germany.

Now I am even more confused, as Wild Card one favors the dollar (vs. Euro) and Wild Card II favors Asian currencies (yuan, Sing) and resource country currencies (Aussie, Canadian) over the dollar

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

Kaimu,

Unfortunately, far too many people seem content to simply accept pop news from Oprah or MSM reports which are simply thoughtless parroting. And most stock sales people take their lead from the home office or others who all read the same BS and pass it on as gospel.

I know several friends and relatives who still believe what they are being fed though "official" sources — Buy & Hold, Diversification, Stocks always outperform, Nobody could have seen this coming, It's beginning to get better — BUY NOW!

However, for anyone who really wants to check it out, BLS, US Census, etc. websites do explain the how the data are collected and measured.

I guess they can feel safe that few will do so and even if they do (as I have done) nobody will believe it to be that obviously skewed to the upside.

It is boring enough to put off most people, AND as long as it was working in their favor (on paper), who cared?

I have done my best to instill in my two sons — Question everything!

Sunday Morning Coffee

http://ronsen.blogspot.com/2009/05/sunday-morning-...

Reality. 25,000 deaths versus 5. Where's the outrage?

Small fry charts

A stock screen shows a mixed bag.

Dinner research (casual dining).

A trip to the mall. Made in the USA (not).

Have a great Sunday.

Re: MORE CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIONS, LESS WITCH HUNTS

Craig,

"I know you don't mean Obama when you say this....LOL!!!!!
So does this mean you're going to forgive Nancy Pelosi? :>)"

LOL2

Well, I am giving Obama the benefit of the doubt re: his changed positions on Gitmo Detainees and tribunals. I think most of us would moderate our strongest opinions if in the President's chair. The speed of info transfer and gathering has far exceeded the capacity of any individual's capability to process it — separating truth from fiction, rumor, "disinformation" (formerly known as lies).

However, I have watched and listened to him for too long to believe his promises. He is a pure product of Chicago politics and got his crowd pleasing skills working the system as a neighborhood organizer. IMO he is the epitome of the professional opportunistic politician.

There are still only 24 hours per day, but just think what each President must face every day!

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I gave Bush the same consideration when he was in the office. IMO he was not qualified for the job and his personality is such that he was easily manipulated by people like Rumsfeld and Cheney. His fundamentalist religious views, his reluctance to fire people — all show a person who can be convinced of something and lock onto it. Then, he can be made to think of this as a strength.

His limited speaking ability reminded me of the doll, Chatty Cathy" — pull the string and get the same few phrases — over and over.

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As for Pelosi — I trust her about as far as any professional politician. I heard her in an interview happily confirm a story...

Q: "Is it true you refuse to iron your husband's shirts?"

A: "When we were newly married he asked if I would iron his shirt and I said I would. But I threw it in the trash — I was not going to start off married life doing any such thing."

She seemed to think it was a plus to show she is an independent person, or a truly liberated woman, can be tough...

To me it showed she would rather lie than simply say, "No honey, not something you can count on from me."

I could forgive her for her denial of knowledge concerning water boarding, but first she would need to say, "I was mistaken, I didn't fully understand the process, or I made that decision in the heat of a national crisis"...

There is no better answer than the truth. (My wife and I have been married 48 years and not because she irons my shirts. We have always been able to trust each other.)

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I'm not arguing so much for using "enhanced interrogation" as I am cautioning against making firm "facts" without the real ability to confirm them.

Also, I can understand resorting to their use under the pressure of certain conditions.

I am a target shooter and pretty good with either a rifle or handgun, but could not kill an animal for sport, only for food. My wife knows I often put insects out of the house rather than simply squash them. They are just being what they are.

I am quite sure that under certain circumstances I could not just use such interrogation techniques, but quite readily kill people if I or my family were threatened.

My younger son and I were at the scene of an armed robbery when he was about age four. The guy pointed his gun right at us and then swung around toward the security man who was pursuing him. If I had had a gun I'd have killed him — no question about it.

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee

Ron,

As I remember the total from all auto accidents annually is more like 40 to 50 thousand.

The key, until now, the auto industry was protected — oil still is. Pigs are expendable — some still blame the pig, really.

PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

This has been a very interesting and informative thread.
Thank you.

One of my sons visited the Soviet Union with his high school class in 1984. So good to hear from people with first hand experiences to relate.

The kids were very much more appreciative of the US when they got home. They felt those people about their same age were much like they were, but had a very tough time. The "currency" of exchange included Levis, American news magazines, Elvis Presley records. We may soon be using alternatives to the dollar if our "leaders" don't shape up.

Re: Dollar squeeze

thanks Shiva (any relation to the Hindu god?)

derivatives represent 976% of world GDP?

they really bet everything including the kitchen sink on this casino.

Just wondering. Have been aware for some time that the US dollar should tank against others. I know Europe is in trouble economically but am contemplating that bad news may be getting thrown at us in order to prop up the greenback. Am wondering to what extent this is more shenanigans from HB&B and the Fed.

See the following paragraph from Shiva's link:

"Currently risk seems to dominate. Negative US events translate into dollar strength not weakness even when US rates and yields falls relative to those overseas. This must change before there is a switch in the dollar-euro outperformance behavior. And comparably for the euro, it needs to decouple from negative econ news in the same was the US currency has in the last several months. Once that occurs, and accounts start amassing euros, the dollar's drop will be just a matter of time."

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee

You're right...but I've just focused on the more preventable ones, the alcohol-related fatalities.

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

Very warm Sunday morning on the Peninsula. A couple of mosquitoes hovering against the living room window, sunrise over the Bay on a windless day. High will be 87 here, probably 3-digits inland.

(a) BAC- No, the other BAC. Someday maybe they'll invent a steering wheel that somehow detects (directly or indirectly) the blood alcohol concentration of the driver. Above a certain threshold, and it turns on your flashers, sounds your horn, and gives you 2 minutes to pull over somewhere/change drivers before signaling your global position to the state police.

(b) 25,000/5. Beyond auto collisions and H1N1- Makes you wonder how much suffering in the world might be averted if people just WASHED THEIR HANDS. I like the move towards doorless restroom entry ways and motion-sensor activated faucets/towel dispensers. Too many restaurant workers, healthcare professionals, and public transit designers still don't get it.

(c) Torture. The human conscience is a very effective moral compass. It will tell you whether a certain action is advisable, and whether you can live with it. If one proceeds to walk down that dark corridor anyway, well, might as well say goodbye to watching any more Sunday morning sunrises- you'll need all the distractions sleeping late/substance abuse/the company of like-minded individuals can provide to get you through the day.

Re: Vadym and housing

Vad,

I do not in any way dispute the veracity of your housing comments vis a vis your geographic area. I do add however that although the town I live in also has not seen the dramatic, historic price-drops one would imagine to be concomitant with such a credit morass, that does not mean that they will not. Prices are down approximately 20 percent. They should, and probably will go lower, adjusted for inflation, as a dirth of qualified interested buyers will, I am guessing, hobble the housing market here for quite somne time to come. But hey. You're in a different country, I don't doubt that it's different there.

Friend of mine real estate agent sold 2 outhouses recently, both under a million which is zip here in Westport and she got all excited. I told her to keep her composure, that a LITTLE natural demand is inevitable (parents with school-aged kids blah blah blah). That is not the same as the great, historic sweeping bull market in housing that characterized almost the entirety of the post-war period.

BTW Vad I did my honors thesis on 3 books, one of which was "Darkness At Noon." I know a little bit about the Soviet Union.

Also why did you decide to hold VNDA overnight, an unusual move for you?
Just a hunch or something more solid?

Re: Vadym and housing

Reporting from my neck of the woods - the SF East Bay - is that some of the outlying areas are in genuine crisis (Vallejo, Antioch, etc.) but closer in things have the appearance of stability.

I say appearance because I see next to nothing selling around here. Several houses are empty and not listed, while others have been on sale for months. But recently one house which is almost a direct comp to mine just sold. In fact, it was just reported in today's paper. And while the sale price was 15% below its 2006 sale price, it was actually above ask. So maybe that's a sign of stability - or a pause before the next leg down. We'll see.

And the values reported by Zillow are just too high.

The problem for me is that that 15% drop has made it very difficult for me to refinance my own mortgage. I have a 30-year fixed (1st and 2nd) and I am aiming to take advantage of the low rates. But I've learned from a broker that lenders are demanding at least 70% equity. And that puts me out of the game.

I'll just have to muddle on, but I'll keep looking, because I agree with others here that rates are more likely than not going to climb higher.

On a separate front, this week my wife learned from her teacher's union that her district is not only demanding they accept 40-student class sizes next year, but that they are also rescinding health benefits. I believe these additional concession demands are the direct result of the Gov's plan to cut $3 billion from education.

But hey, everything's ok because GS and JPM got their $1 trillion. Right?

Wrong.

Her union will vote on the contract next week, likely reject it overwhelmingly, and then plan to go on strike in the fall. Several schools have already closed or will be closing as the district consolidates and tries to save money. In the fall, it is now likely they will all be closed. Asking teachers to bear the entire burden of the pain is too much.

I'm afraid the 1930's are being repeated in too many ways, now.

Re: Vadym and housing

Shark,

I haven't implied in any way that I have any kind of forecasts for housing prices in my area. I merely told what they did so far, and provided source for more information.

As for VNDA, on the day when I decided to take it overnight it exhibited all the signs of "surprise move" coming. Enormous gap a few days earlier, then instead of fading into the night it consolidated and started retesting highs and even piercing into new highs territory on increasing volume. Each pullback was followed by return to the high. Huge offers got eaten throughout the day, and finally VNDA staged sharp spike on last minutes of trading day and finished at the high. That's quite familiar scenario, so I went with it. Worked like charm.

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

(a). Awesome idea. Instant correction, perfect timing, not overly overbearing re: government. I'd have it do all of the above if after sensing too high bac and the driver attempts to start the car. Maybe it just blocks the switch. A lot can happen in 2 mins. Of course there will be the new bac blocker gloves....

(b). No kidding, where are parents? Personal sanitation seems like a mix between a barnyard and the monkey exhibit at your local zoo.

(c). Agreed in normal people with normal upbringing. Conscience, to a large degree, is learned. This means your parents 2nd, were exceptional. :>)
The differences, for instance, in how we in the west view animals and animal cruelty as compared to other cultures is pretty vast.
Even the difference between the genders in the west is pretty big.
I could expand but it's Sunday and we all need a rest.

It's going to be 78F today and I plan on getting out and enjoying the day.
I hope everyone here is enjoying their weekend.

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

Kaimu, just looking back to Friday for a "Bev" post, and saw your reply to my mild reprimand re: the Russian rightwinger.
Well, I'm amazed you can divine so much from a simple two sentences. Wrong deductions however.
I'm not offended by criticism of America, gawd knows we earned it especially the last eight years. I prefer the constructive variety, and I scrutinize the source.
I don't get my world view from the "Situation Room" which I assume is one of the corporate propaganda organs that pass for news on TV these days. I am aware of its existense mainly thanks to Jon Stewart.
If I watch TV news it will be BBC, PBS, or DWTV...with a grain of salt.
I enjoy your posts, I get a little nervous when a LOT OF CAPITALS are used, but color and passion is fine. Your casual stance on Nukes a while back was bothersome, and then the reactionary Russian.
That's it, no offence meant.
Ciao, Z.
Now let's see...what was I looking for....

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

'just looking back to Friday for a "Bev" post'

Zed- I find it easier to click on a user's name>>Comments to display all comments posted by that user. Alternatively, as you may already know from Friday's comments, you can click on a user's name>>Bookmark this user to color code their comments.

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

2nd_ave,

"The human conscience is a very effective moral compass. It will tell you whether a certain action is advisable, and whether you can live with it."

You must be very young or incurably optimistic.

Just look no further than the mortgage fraud and continuing cover-up. You are not alone, however, I have a very good friend who says of the big drop in his net worth, "Stocks were actually far to high overpriced. Now they are probably about where they should be."

He is 85 and has always been quite wealthy. I'm sure he and his wife will not need to alter their lifestyle one bit. Others who I know are already needing to make difficult choices.

Another indication that the "moral compass" is inadequate — a whole host of laws with punishment to encourage advisable actions.

I'd suggest you watch out for con men if they hear your views on this.

P.S. I can put you in touch with some excellent deals on Florida property ;-)

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

He's incurably optimistic, but that's why we love him.

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

"You must be very young or incurably optimistic."

Well, I'm younger than you are, and don't consider optimism a disorder ;)

Apart from the sociopaths in our society, the human conscience seems to work well. The media (reporters, script writers) like to focus on those who either lack/have turned off their consciences for a good story.

Neither does a belief that most people use their consciences make one more susceptible to predators. Anymore than a priest's belief in the existence of good makes him an easy target for evil. An understanding of human nature and/or evil does not necessarily lead to pessimism- often it simply reinforces the need for/power of the opposite.

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

Davefairtex, Agree with your 'dressing up' of our dressing down by one miffed Ruskie! At least Barney Frank was faithful to his lover. Too bad we can't say the same of so many Hetero US Presidents. We are witnessing the kind of misguided excesses of financial lords with too much money and time on their hands, and sadly, very bad taste.

Re: Dollar squeeze

Les - yes its the hindu god's name.

Les, Vinod; interesting, even though the article was about USD, i focused more on the electronic money aspect (Derivatives & securitization). We know that is not coming back in size like it was in the hey days. So, what is the effect?, can govts become the guarantor of all securitization/derivative debts. I doubt if they can scale up to this level. Bottomline, overall money supply is going to contract. Then I started wondering if deflation & inflation can co-exist. Googled a bit & here are some articles. I am not a gold bug and dont know how biased these articles are but they are interesting read

http://www.drschoon.com/articles%5CAEFCanWeHaveInf...

http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/fekete/20...

http://www.professorfekete.com/articles%5CAEFDaily...

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

"Neither does a belief that most people use their consciences make one more susceptible to predators. Anymore than priests who believe in the existence of good make them easy targets for evil. An understanding of human nature and/or evil does not necessarily lead to pessimism- often it simply reinforces the need for/power of the opposite."

So I'm in Seattle yesterday locking up an apartment for my daughter who just got a better paying job than the last one.....

The neighbor across the street is a retired motorcycle cop and he now makes and sells birdhouses. Who would know more about the good and bad of people?
He puts a price on them by the curb and has a jar for the $. He claims he's lost only two in many years.
Even those that took them aren't as bad as could be, they didn't take all of them.

Remember: "If life seems jolly rotten, there's something you've forgotten, and that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing. When you're feeling in the dumps, don't be silly chumps, just purse your lips and whistle, that's the thing."
"Always look at the bright side of life."

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

Negative does often bring out positive, if we look for it. That's the secret behind contrary investing, isn't it? When my 401 k took a 50% dump and set me back 20 years with only 8 to go until retirement age, I was in the dumps. However, it led me to brush off some rhyming children's stories that I'd written when times were good, too good to bother with the frustrations of agents and publishers. Thanks to advice from my editor, "The Goopy Ghost of Halloween" will be completed shortly (self-published). Once again, I am optimistic, until the next tumbleweed of frustration crosses my path. That may mean another change in direction. Gotta keep trying!

A Model For All American Banks

Peter Fitzgerald Banker of the Old School
Coxe recommended reading this and it's a good one.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/13/news/companies/bir...

Sells a bank, gets elected to the Senate, won't participate in anything to do with banking due to conflict of interest, hires a prosecuter who puts the Governer of Illinois in jail for corruption, retires, opened a bank the way his family had always done it for generations.

True American grit.

Movie

The Soloist. It's got heart stays real.

Re: Vadym and housing

Number2son, 'Declining markets' including CA, FL, AZ NV, MI etc, have been targeted with higher with risk-based pricing adjustments which reflect the concerns of lenders that your particular locale has a much higher rate of foreclosure. NPR reported this week that in the US there is a foreclosure every 8 seconds! The reason your LTV is now lowered to 70% is because the Mortgage Insurance firms won't cover higher LTV's and oh by the way expect your bank underwriter to disregard their own appraisal (you paid for in advance) and downgrade your home value and decline your application.

Your best option would be to find out if Fannie MAE or Freddie MAC own your loan and go for the new DU Refi. Fannies are easier And can be refinanced by another broker or bank while Freddie's must be handled by your current lender and only if you don't currently have mortgage insurance (1+2 combos avoid MI). The DU's (short for Desktop Underwriting) allow up to 105% of your value to be refinanced. 2nds may be subordinated in some cases. Must find my blog on this and post a link. Applies to 2nd homes and limited # of investment properties. Compliments of the Obama Housing Rescue until 2010 and preferably for ARM sufferers or anyone who can demonstrate hardship with their current mortgage. Guidelines aim for your new loan to be 'affordable' i.e., within your current financial means or 31% debt to income ratios.

The next step for true hardships is modification. www.equitytalks.blogspot.com WA state has formalized the guidelines for loan modification recently (modifiers must be licensed loan officers or brokers, limits on fees etc...I feel a blog coming on!)

THIS IS NOT 1929 OR 1930

ALOHA !!

This syndrome that I see a lot of regarding "repeating the 1930s" is not totally accurate. It may rhyme in a few areas but there are some major differences.

As you know I follow the US TREASURY DAILY STATEMENT. So far the current US government has spent close to $7.5TRIL USD... with a "T" over a seven and a half month period. Every day is a constant increase in the fiscal deficits and every day we finance that deficit in spending with MORE DEBT. So far this year FY 2009 we have financed around $5.5TRIL USD. How it was financed was in part through US Treasuries and "borrowing" from the various entitlement "trust funds". In other words the current generation will "owe" the future generations for their retirement. So do not punish you kids too badly because they just may renege on you if they knew this ...

Lets look back at the 1930s and see where the spending was then ...

During 1929, the worst year ever known for the stock markets, the US government then, based on US TREASURY data back then, had receipts of $3.862BIL USD and outlays of $3.127BIL USD, for a surplus of $745MIL USD. That surplus also continued on in 1930 as well. This current "crisis" has started with the US TREASURY in the RED so deep that we can never get out unless we totally devalue our money to practically zero! Of course if we did that nobody in CHINA or anywhere else in the World would touch a US Dollar, except perhaps as toilet paper.

Further ... the USA in 1929 and throughout the 1930s was not engaged in any warfare. We have been at war here in the USA now for six years. So this current disaster is being played out in wartime. It may not seem like a real WAR, which it is not, but the spending our government is doing to execute it has eclipsed the cost of the Vietnam War. The Vietnam War caused Nixon to default on the US Dollar and close the gold standard(what was left of it) forever.

We did not incur fiscal deficits brought on by spending until FDR started up all his STIMULUS. Even once FDR got to cranking up spending on work programs(Stimulus)in order to turn the tide on unemployment the deficits he created were only running at 2.4 times receipts. In other words for every $1 the US government took in from tax revenues it was spending $2.40. Currently we are spending at a rate of 6.2 times receipts. In other words for every $1 our government gets in tax revenues we are spending $6.20. That is a HUGE difference that, in my opinion, cannot be sustained without serious consequences to our freedom and our way of life.

Let me add in some other "spending" reference points. At the height of spending during the height of WW2 in 1945, the deficit dropped. In other words for every $1 our government got in tax revenues it spent only $2.05. Why? Well the US tax rates jumped into the 94% brackets and the common folk were supporting the war efforts by buying war bonds. Suffice to say WW2 was a very "popular" war for Americans and Europeans as they knew for a fact they did not want to live in a World where Adolf Hitler was king ... Try doing that today to support the WAR ON TERROR, which was never officially declared a WAR like WW2 was. The same goes for the Vietnam War as it was never officially declared a war by the US CONgress either. So all these "unofficial wars" are just that ... Yet some 58,000 American kids died "unofficially"! Okay ... I won't go there!

Also ... none of the banks back in the 1930s got saved. No FDIC ... Technically, JP MORGAN was saved. Now they're all saved!

In fact the US PUBLIC DEBT shrunk in 1929 by almost 4% to $16BIL USD. The height of the 1930s spending the US NATIONAL DEBT grew 20% to $27BIL USD. The very next year, 1935, the US NATIONAL started shrinking not rising and in fact by 1940 had shrunk to only 2% increases. We have not seen annual debt increases of 2% since 1999, the height of the NASDAQ BUBBLE. Now our US NATIONAL DEBT is at $11.2TRIL USD and rising all the time. There is no shrinking.

Lets look at Year-Over-Year(Y/Y) DEBT changes. Over the ten years from 1930 to 1940 the US DEBT changed from a surplus of $745MIL to a deficit of $2.527BIL USD, an increase of $3.272BIL USD. From 1998 to 2008 the Y/Y change has been excess of $500BIL USD, from $113.1BIL in 1999 to $638.1BIL in 2008. That is a 564% increase from 1998 to 2008 versus a 440% in the 1930s. Once FY2009 data comes out a 564% increase will look low! Modern day Americans have elected a much more SPENDY and DEBT friendly government compared to the old days of the 1930s.

These are all red flags to me and anyone else who studies the "MONEY SIDE" of our current fiscal quagmire that is all too often dismissed by those who do not have any MONEY knowledge, which is most of the US CONgress. Yet all the US CONgress and the current President talk about is SPENDING MORE and MORE, which means as I have pointed out MORE DEBT on top of MORE DEBT!

I get confused when I hear of a $3.6TRIl FY 2010 "record breaking" Budget and then look at the US TREASURY DAILY STATEMENT every day and see in excess of $7.5TRIL spent already in FY 2009, over double $3.6TRIL headlines. I always thought that spending was a major part of any budget, whether my own or IBM or the USA. What good is a budget if you are always overspending?

These are all red flags of unwinding EMPIRE and monetary collapse. There are plenty more red flags on monetary collapse but I am only looking at spending right now. I have not even looked at "saving rates" and consumer debt and all fraud that resides in derivatives(which did not even exist in the 1930s), nor do I even consider GDP which is now 70% DEBT based. Let me add that the USA in the 1930s was exporting oil. I also have not considered the fact that there is no gold standard now, as there was in the 1930s. In my mind these red flags are unmistakable.

I do not regard the 1930s the same as now. Its apples and oranges in many regards, too many.

One thing that was the same as back in the 1930s ... the US FED existed!

ALL OUR BEST THINKING GOT US HERE ...

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

PMA. No, not a stock. Positive Mental Attitude.

I’ve always have found it easier to tackle problems if you have a positive attitude. If you’re negative, it gives you reasons why you may not or can’t succeed.

Same goes for forming a team. Mental attitude is half the battle. All thinks considered, give me someone with PMA every time. And it catches on with other team members!

Come to think of it, the psychology of PMA can also affect your ability to trade markets ;)

Re: THIS IS NOT 1929 OR 1930

RE:>Currently we are spending at a rate of 6.2 times receipts. In other words for every $1 our government gets in tax revenues we are spending $6.20. That is a HUGE difference that, in my opinion, cannot be sustained.

yeh Kaimu, I'm interested to see the dots connected on this subject. See Shiva's link above on the US dollar's day of reckoning to be had at some point. Global trade has fallen off a cliff, no money there in Uncle Sam's coffers. Massive loss of income and business taxes. As Vinod pointed out, most of the money that needs deleveraging is electronic.

What sort of stew is being concocted here? Debt that can't be paid. Debt that will soon no longer be accepted by creditors (China can't buy T-bills indefinitely). This electronic money must be removed. How does this work out? Will the paper money being created actually create inflation, or will this be countered by the enormous amount of electronic money that must be unwound and presumably removed from circulation?

Default doesn't sound so exaggerated a possibility anymore. Talk of debasing currency and repegging to a gold (or silver?) standard have disappeared quickly enough, but I wonder if such a possibility remains on the cards.

Re: Economist: A new global system is coming into existence

jaycrescent - Thanks for highlighting another mind-bender from the Economist.

In fact, I think the new financial order is working its way in from the fringes of the global economy.

I know of huge, long-term, bi-lateral gov't-to-gov't deals between China and Angola, Algeria, Congo, Mozambique, Zambia, and Venezuela involving resources for infrastructure. There are no doubt more which haven't been reported in US media.

Usually resources are to be develop by Chinese investors working with the other country's state oil or mining company, and delivered to China over decades. In return, roads, bridges, gov't buildings are being built by work crews imported from China. The financing is from Chinese holdings of US dollars.

The other gov't gets productivity they can't muster internally, a chance to skim off funds without the scrutiny Western deals would involve, and show projects like roads and bridges to placate the local population.

Then, there was that proposal from a Chinese policy academic for Chinese (minority) investments in US companies if they were US-gov't guaranteed. These would be "bailouts", the proponent argued, which would not require further US indebtedness.

Not to mention the broad campaign by the BRIC's (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) for more influence over the western-dominated IMF and World Bank in return for their funding.

I believe it was the Congo deal, with which the IMF took exception. IMF didn't want to see the Congo gov't assuming the US dollar currency risk on their deal. IMF said it posed too much risk to the Congo's international finances ....

There seems one thing the IMF and China can agree on: You can't trust those US politicians to maintain the value of the dollar!

Indeed, the times they are a'changin' ....

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

Positive Mental Attitude
And It is free and it will not cost any money and it will enable people to have a unique way to look at the world from another angle

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

Of course it is not a disorder, but even though most people may be quite honest it only takes one to cause a lot of pain — economic, social, social or whatever.

I first went into business for myself at age 19 and during more than forty years of dealing with people have a lot of stories of people whose consciences were not adequate.

One of my friends in the printing business was left holding the bag for $50,000 by an ad agency that I had refused to do any work for except C.O.D. Several others required threats of legal action if simply a noisy presence at the front desk demanding payment didn't work.

I was very careful and checked out new clients before doing any work. The biggest single uncollected bill I ever had was $343 by a very well mannered ladylike woman who could have been my grandmother. Mrs. McDonald and her husband reputed to be a retired WWII Naval officer, skipped for Hawaii and even thirty years ago it was just too costly or I would have tracked them down.

I beg to differ with your view that, "...a belief that most people use their consciences make one more susceptible to predators." It isn't most people — it only takes a few good con jobs to break you.

The really slick ones, even little old ladies, can spot a sucker in an instant.

Edit: A $50,000 hit plays hob with a PMA for most people.

Edmonton,Alberta real estate ground report

I know 3 people who are selling/buying houses. None of them are having problems with either end of the transaction. One sold their house in 2 days for a $3K below asking ($320K was asking i believe, at peak may have fetched $360).

So generally there is a sense of stabilization and fairly balanced market. Which blows my mind really, as that $320K house was purchased maybe 3 or 4 years ago for $180K. (2 of 3 people are upgrading and tacking $100K onto their existing mortgages).

Most people I talk to about the economy here feel like the worst is behind us. Stimulus will save us. Oil will always be in demand, so there's a sense that Alberta will not suffer as much as elsewhere. I used to buy into this last argument, but now I'm more cynical. I wouldn't be surprised to see oil fall back significantly and more pain to be felt here yet.

Commercial real estate looks poised to implode if you ask me. Lots of spare capacity, tons of new buildings just coming online now. Without significantly higher oil spurring industry growth, this capacity won't be filled.

Re: THIS IS NOT 1929 OR 1930

Kaimu, when you don't hear me say anything about one of your posts, it's usually because I'm saying "hmm" or "wow" or "oh that's not good" - or something like that. This time, however, I want to say something.

I agree, this really isn't 1929. Its - different. Worse? Probably. But at least we aren't an exporter whose market has vanished. Like Germany, or Japan, or China. That's a positive, I suppose. Possibly the only one.

And we're dreadfully in debt. And we're increasing spending, in a deflationary world where money is suddenly much harder to come by. It's not a recipe for success.

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

Grym- I was just trying to make two points:

(a) The fact that one has an optimistic bias does NOT necessarily make one more susceptible to being conned. It's possible to simultaneously be optimistic AND be an astute judge of people.

(b) Although a few are true sociopaths, most con men know the difference between right and wrong, and have made a conscious decision to walk down that path. They pay a price for it.

Re: THIS IS NOT 1929 OR 1930

"One thing that was the same as back in the 1930s ... the US FED existed!"

And today is different from the 60's, the president rides in a car with a roof!

GOLD

Gold tells a very important story in this whole credit mess. As long as investors continue to demand dollars as the global economy de-leverages it is likely that gold will go nowhere fast. Inflationistas need to understand that the velocity of money must pick-up before inflation becomes a real threat.
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OpEx results

The OpEx results were reflected in my portfolio today, and it became significantly "lighter" as a result. :)

A few weeks ago, when ERX was trading at $27, I sold May $25 ERX calls for $4.30, and this weekend all my ERX shares were taken away at the effective price of $29.30, which is reasonably fair given that ERX closed at $29.61 on Friday. My cost basis was $17, and as I checked, all my ERX *stock* trades have completely compensated my loss on ERY shorting a few months ago. In addition to ERX *stock* trades, I was also active in selling ERX puts, and the total profit I made on those covered about 1/4 of the loss I took when I closed my FAZ short.

A few weeks ago, when ACI was trading at $15, I sold May $16 ACI calls for 0.70, and this weekend all my ACI shares were taken away at the effective price of $16.70, which is good given that ACI closed at $16.12 on Friday.

Now almost half of my portfolio is in cash, and it lost its long bias. As a result, I decided to reduce the size of my short positions, since I don't need them as a hedge anymore.

So instead of waiting for the SKF shares I purchased on Thursday at $46.18 to hit my limit at $51.18, I placed a sell stop limit (stop 47.42, limit 47.18) on 1/2 of those SKF shares, and kept the limit at $51.18 for the other 1/2.

Also, I placed a small buy stop limit order on UNG (for about 2% of my portfolio), stop $16.12 and limit $16.15. Finally, I placed a small buy stop limit order on ACI, stop at $16.22 and limit at $16.25 for 1.5% of my portfolio. If ACI falls on Monday, I'll sell puts on it covering a much large number of shares.

Re: Sunday Morning Coffee/BAC/Torture

Seamus- "PMA" That's how I screen employees. Training is a snap compared to finding the right people, right attitude.

Grym- I say this with sincere care. I can feel the pain in your words reading your posts. We all have had our fair share of extremely challenging times in our lives, loved ones, and friends. What makes us stronger is our ability a) accept they happened, b) learn from them, and c) overcome them to the best of our abilities. I hope there are far more great joys in your life than the difficult ones.

Take care Sir.

result of FAZ/FAS trades

I have just tallied the result of my FAS/FAZ trades, including the FAS option sales, and found that all my winning trades covered about 3/4 of the HUGE loss I took while closing the FAZ short at $114 in early March. Taking into account the ERX put sales, which covered about 1/4 of the loss I took on the FAZ short, it turns out that I am FLAT on all my 3X ultra ETF trades. So, as 2nd_ave wished that I "will take my plane out of this nosedive," I actually did it. :)

But I am not done with shorting 3X ETFs! I am now much "stronger" and more experienced, and during the next market dive I am planning to sell naked calls on FAZ, which is a "safer" alternative to shorting FAZ outright (providing, of course, that the number of FAZ calls I sell will be the same as the size of the FAZ short I would take).

Re: GOLD

"Inflationistas need to understand that the velocity of money must pick-up before inflation becomes a real threat."

vinod - I'm pretty sure deflation is more of a concern than inflation, it does more economic damage much faster. The FED is working to swing the pendulum with help from HB&B, CONgress and the president. Unfortunately for the economy, their spending program is geared more toward the future, hasn't kicked into overdrive yet, and doesn't create much value from what I've been able to determine.

Unofficial GM Dealer closing list.

http://tinyurl.com/o8mr8n

GM doesn't plan on making their list public. but a news outlet has begun compiling and sharing their own list.

Here is a google map of 700+ Chysler dealers shutting

Someone from NYT took the time to do this. wow.

http://tinyurl.com/rce2ru

Nikkei under pressure early

Let's see if other areas of Asia Pac follow.

http://tinyurl.com/a8qvjq

Playing both ends

Ten days ago the Nikkei gapped up through 9000, and a week ago was threatening to squeeze the shorts with a close above 9500. Today it's threatening to break back below 9000, and shake out the longs.

ECRI: Professional Report Excerpt End of Recession in Sight

"(Full report received by Pro clients on 19-Mar-09)

The end of this recession – the most severe downturn since World War II – is finally in sight. This is the clear message from ECRI’s array of leading indexes of the U.S. economy. (scroll down for chart)

What are these indicators? First, it’s ECRI’s U.S. Long Leading Index (USLLI), which has the longest average lead times of any U.S. leading index. It’s also the Weekly Leading Index (WLI), which has a shorter lead over the business cycle, but is very promptly available.

The growth rate of the USLLI turned up in November 2008, and has now advanced for four straight months. The growth rate of the WLI turned up soon after that, in early December 2008, and, as of mid-April 2009, had been rising for more than four months (top two lines in chart). A rigorous examination of the data affirms that both USLLI growth and WLI growth have been in cyclical upturns for at least four months. "

http://www.businesscycle.com/
http://ecri-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/reports/samples/...

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Re: ECRI: Professional Report Excerpt End of Recession in Sight

This was publicly released in the first week of May, shown on CNN a lot and was responsible (along with the stress test leaks and bulishness of Buffet, Faber, and many other popular investors) for the buying panic we had recently.

I think they may be correct, but the recovery will not be V shaped and things will get worse before getting better (ie retest of SP 666).

Last time ECRI news were released (march 2008), they predicted recession started already and they were correct, the markets reacted with a sell off, placed march low and proceded to produce a strong bear rally.

I expect the same thing but in the opposite direction.

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

Bulgakov was, in my opinion, the greatest writer of the 20th century. He had problems with censors but what got published was some of the most damning condemnations of the Soviet system I have ever read. "The Heart of a Dog" was magnificant. Samizant helped a lot after the Stalin era but the soul of the people was never absent.

I talked with a priest in Sergiev Posad in the late 90's. A very educated man. The monestaries were swelling with students at that time. His opinion was that the 70's years of communism was an internal misunderstanding among the Russian people. In his opinion, when Tolstoi spoke of Christ, he meant Marx. Deep down the Politburo feared Dostoyevski

Anyway, Spengler predicted the total collapse of the Soviet system. He about got the timeline correct. Within a decade if memory serves.

Russia has been misunderstood or purposly maligned by the West for centuries. If you had been runover by Tatars, Swedes, Poles, Turks, French and Germans, you too might be a titch defensive.

As to their education propaganda, I have never met anyone born after 1960 that believed any of that drivel. Our educational system is still metting our half truths.

To add to Kaimu's 'question authority' I would add 'educate yourself.'

Just my nickel.

Re: PRAVDA ON AMERICAN CAPITALISM

Lots of post about this topic this weekend. Here is my view, America is more than a country; it is the ideal of liberty. In economic terms, liberty translates into the entrepreneurial spirit of hard work, risk taking and self-reliance. And this spirit has made America rich beyond compare

2nd
Game plan for Monday is to play SPY; it might pull back to the 50 day moving average. Expect
Banks, real estate and auto related fields lead to the downside.

Mmmmhhhhhh....time to short Google? :)

FED AND FORBES

ALOHA !!

Seems the petition to audit the US FED is getting publicity from FORBES ...

Here is Ron Paul commentary in FORBES, dated 5/15/2009.

"One of the fallacies of modern economics is the idea that a central bank is required in order to keep inflation low and promote economic growth. In reality, it is the central bank's monetary policy that causes inflation and depresses economic growth. Inflation is an increase in the supply of money, which in our day and age is directly caused or initiated by central banks. All other things being equal, inflation results in a rise in prices. A so-called "mild" rate of inflation of 3% per year leads to a 56% rise in prices over a 15-year period. Even a "low" rate of inflation of 2% per year leads to a 35% rise over that same period. How is that conducive to long-term growth?

A common misconception is that the Fed is completely independent of political pressures. While the Fed has far too much authority to make agreements with foreign governments and central banks, or create temporary liquidity facilities, the governors and--more important--the chairman, are appointed by the president." END

You cannot think of "inflation" in the same day trading mindset of short term. It is not. In fact all the real estate market has done is to "deflate" the BUBBLE PRICE from the 2007 highs to the 2005 early BUBBLE highs. Its all still high ... Same goes for oil speculation in 2008. That is why in my presentation I use the actual visual aids of the US SENATE RESTAURANT menus from the 1930s, when a LOBSTER DINNER in Washington DC was 85 cents! Has the current deflation unwound a LOBSTER DINNER back to 85 cents yet? Why not? This HUGE deflation has been touted at over $12TRIL USD, the value of real estate and 401ks lost, yet a LOBSTER DINNER is still $35! In fact this week here in Hilo, Hawaii regular gas prices went up from $2.54 per gallon to $2.69 per gallon. The inflation is embedded, the BUBBLES are not ... Do I care what my neighbors 401k is at or what he paid for his house? No I care a lot more about what I pay for food, gas, electricity and health insurance. Every time I write a check to pay my electric bill or go to HFN to buy gas, I care. I do not shop for houses every day and I do not even have a 401k. What's more none of that is MONEY SUPPLY.

To read more of this article go to the link below ... Ron Paul, the only Presidential candidate who wanted to eliminate the US FED and not embrace it.

Link: http://tinyurl.com/p67f5m

Russians - Question/Riddle

Why are Russians referred to as Reds?

Penny Stocks

Hey Bill - I read your WIR...was this in relation to the post I made about SPNG? Not sure if you recall, but I did ask about whether or not we could discuss penny stocks and you said you're ok with them. I found out about them when I was watching a New York Mets baseball game...they're one of the advertisers...

Anyway, I'll make sure not to mention it again...

Re: Playing both ends

Are you guys of the belief that this move down S&P is a retracement back to get longs out of the market only for a move higher?

S&P futures sitting at 876 as of 11:30pm EST

Re: Russians - Question/Riddle

CP- OK, besides the Red Army, that's it. What's the riddle?

Re: S&P futures sitting at 876 as of 11:30pm EST

Nikkei flat after lunch break, but US futures deteriorating.

55 yr old asst principal dies from H1N1. 5 shcools shut down NYC

Casualty
http://tinyurl.com/qj8uwl

5 Schools in Queens NY
http://tinyurl.com/o67jsk

What is going on? mysterious flu, terror preparedness drill this weekend at NJ Path train station, 5.0 earthquake in california, global recession etc.

Re: Mmmmhhhhhh....time to short Google? :)

This search engine seems to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. A great source of knowledge. Try entering two stock symbols for a side by side comparison.

WIR PENNY STOCKS

ALOHA!!

Penny stocks were defined by my Morgan Stanley broker back in the 1990s as any stock with a price less than $1USD over a three month period. Then in the 2000s my Merrill Lynch broker defined penny stocks as priced less than $2USD. Since I no longer have those brokers any more I wonder if they have lowered it to 50 cents given the FNM, FRE, AIG, GM, etc stuff ...

The penny stocks I buy are in the resource sector only. I would not even be in them if I did not have my bread and butter stocks like XOM and CVX. I would not be in them if I had a mortgage. I would not be in them if I lost my job. I would not be in them if I had kids. That these stocks are highly risky is a given, yet they have been overall highly profitable for me in the past. That is not to say I have not lost money ... I have. I wonder what the Bear Stearns(thanks Cramer)and Lehman stock holders think? All I know is there will be some fierce competition for WalMart greeter jobs ...

Then I was speaking with my long time friend who lives in Maine. He just got back from an extended stay in London, UK with his older sister. We were discussing the TSX versus the ASX. Then I mentioned that about 95% of the known major US Banks would be penny stocks or BKed if the US TAXPAYER(think TARP and FDIC)was not there to backstop them. Then I asked when was the last time GoldCorp asked for BAILOUT? Or even US Gold? The banks have a history of always going broke and needing government(US taxpayer)assistance. When was the last time XOM got a BAILOUT? How about BHP or NEM?

In essence the entire banking system of the USA would be at best penny stocks. So where was the risk analysis there? Or was it all thrown out the window because of their bought partners at the US CONgress? What story did Temasek really buy?

Re: THIS IS NOT 1929 OR 1930

Great post, Kaimu! I copied it into my file of "posts to keep and re-read."

Re: Russians - Question/Riddle

"Why are Russians refered to as Reds?"

In Russian, the word krasnia means both red and beautiful. Red Square is Krasnia Ploshad or beautiful square. Russia has a history of close contact with China and the East where red is a revered lacquer. St. Pete is instructive of the Russian colour motif. The buildings are mimics of Western architecture but to a Western eye, the colours are hideous greens and faded yellows. St. Pete is a polyglot of Western architecture spanning centuries but is more like a Disneyland. It was Peter the Great's window to the West and as such is despised by many.

The term Red was coined as a term of derisiveness as in "better dead than Red"," the Reds are coming" etc. The term "Yankee" began the same way to deride the Dutch on Manhatten as in Jan Queese. Seems old Jan used to sell cheese to the Brits when the island was divided.

Terms of derisiveness have a way of becoming badges of honour after a century or so. Or so it seems to me.

WIR

Bill,

You said:
"The point to covering this old ground is that archives can speak volumes."

I agree re your archives in general as positive. However, I did see that in 2005 or 2006 you were high on Citi Group as a powerhouse for the future.

I cannot locate the archival post on that. I just remember reading it in a random search of the archives which I cannot duplicate now.

Re: THIS IS NOT 1929 OR 1930

ALOHA !!

Les posted ... "Default doesn't sound so exaggerated a possibility anymore. Talk of debasing currency and repegging to a gold (or silver?) standard have disappeared quickly enough, but I wonder if such a possibility remains on the cards."

The only way FDR and Nixon could restart the economy was to default the US Dollar and devalue to gold. If you look at current POG levels these are tied to a US TREASURY gold price peg of $42USD. Imagine if they repegged the US gold reserves to $900USD from $42, an increase of over 2,100%? What message would that send to US DEBT holders(aka USDX)? I believe a lot of people here see a US Dollar or a Swiss Franc or whatever your currency as "money". I do not ... I see currency as DEBT. I see GDP as DEBT ... I see spending as DEBT. Like Jack Nicholson said in the movie "As Good As It Gets" ... "Is there any other way to look at it?" He also said, "Go sell "crazy" somewhere else, we're all stocked up here!" A great line to use on Ben and Timmy at the next FOMC ...

Its only a matter of time ... Only the US TAXPAYER is paying for the current strategy of "buying time"!

The MOUSE MONEY will deflate and the folding stuff will inflate. Yet in a monetary collapse your money won't be worth anything so "deflation and inflation" debating becomes only academic theory for economists at that point and not "real world". That is the point I argue in the BIG PICTURE ... that is the C WORD. You can argue about the Weimar Republic or the Great Depression but in the end the common man, whether living in a inflationary world or a deflationary world, just wanted his money to buy something so he could eat another day.

In an inflationary world like Weimar the stock market was the GO TO place for making a lot of money in a short amount of time as anyone who studies stock markets will attest the markets do a lot better when there is inflation. That is why a 100 year DOW CHART looks like it does. Problem was during the Weimar your BIG winnings in the stock market only bought you a loaf of bread!

You can circumvented that issue and buy year round producing farmland. I did that here in Hawaii. Its a "real world" hedge against starvation! I do not have to win in the markets to eat. In fact those who had the best lifestyle during the Great Depression and the Weimar Republic lived on farms. That is the great SUBURBIA disconnect in America now and that is why the US GOVERNMENT must ... MUST ... HAS NO CHOICE ... but to keep the PROMISES going at whatever the cost, because there has been this dissolution of the past real world hedge(farms). How many American families do you know own food producing farms? How many of you here know someone who earns a living from agriculture? In the 1920s and 1930s many families had farms. You cannot eat your mortgage or your car payment.

DEBT is an illusion meant to profit only the bankers. If you do not believe me then just quit paying. Your bankers will not be happy, but then what can they do? Oh yeah, they can ruin your credit record. HA!! I laugh about that! I mean here is an insolvent bank with taxpayer bailouts reporting that you are a credit risk! What hypocrites! The world continues on whether you pay your mortgage or not. Whether you pay your credit cards or not. A lot of Americans have done just that. I suspect a lot more will in the future. When you are laying on your death bed are you even going to be thinking about your credit rating? HA!!

You have to have a plan that goes beyond the daily 9 to 5 ... Whats yours?

The great Arthur Burns, former US FED Chairman prior to Volcker, that is the mentor of the ERCI laid it all out for you at the Jan 17, 1978 FOMC meeting ... "Gold, paintings and farmland" (see my post this week on Arthur Burns and 1978, which was also published at GATA this week)!

Alice In Wonderland!

IT IS WHAT IT IS ...

Re: A Model For All American Banks

Thanks westcoaster, the call was good but the article on Fitzgerald was terrific. THAT is the type of American businessman the world needs more of.

Well that's what happens when the missus does the investing

(not intended as a misogynist remark, applies purely to the article at hand ;)

May 15 (Bloomberg) -- Temasek Holdings Pte sold its 3.8 percent stake in Bank of America Corp. at a loss that may total $4.6 billion, as the Singapore state-owned fund shifts bets from Wall Street to emerging markets.

The sale may have raised about $1.27 billion, based on the average price of Bank of America stock in the first quarter. The divestment was completed by March 31, according to a U.S. filing. Temasek declined to comment on the price.

Temasek, whose investments shrank 31 percent in the eight months through Nov. 30, raised its stake in China Construction Bank Corp. this week, and Chief Executive Officer Ho Ching said yesterday the fund would reduce exposure to developed economies. Temasek had spent about $5.9 billion since 2007 buying shares in Merrill Lynch & Co., acquired by Bank of America on Jan. 1 after the stock slid 78 percent last year.

“The belief now is that the world is not so American- centric anymore,” said Melvyn Teo, associate professor of finance at the Singapore Management University. “It’s going to be driven more and more by the Chinese economy and consumer so might as well load up more on Chinese banks than American banks.”

The value of Temasek’s assets fell to S$127 billion ($87 billion) in the eight months to Nov. 30 as the credit crisis drove down the value of stakes in Merrill Lynch, Barclays Plc and Standard Chartered Plc. The drop in the portfolio tracked a 38 percent retreat in the MSCI World Index.

Bank of America Stake

Ho, wife of Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, drove an expansion outside Singapore and increased financial assets to 40 percent of the company’s portfolio. Charles ‘Chip’ Goodyear, the 51-year-old former head of BHP Billiton Ltd. who oversaw a fourfold increase in the company’s stock during his almost five- year tenure as CEO, will replace Ho in October."

The fools appear to be repeating the same mistake they made with BAC. Bank of China might seem a good deal now, but if they wait three to six months...

edit: just listening to Tom Keene on Bloomberg Economy. China has gone from restricting credit prior to the crash to forcing banks to lend again, which apparently they are doing healthily. So maybe madame Ho gets it right second time round.

PAST FOMC

ALOHA!!

I have written a few published articles based on past FOMC meeting minutes. I encourage you guys to go to the 1970s achieve at the US FED website and look at the FOMC meeting minutes then and compare them to now. The difference is night and day as there is nothing canned and in fact the FOMC meeting minutes(transcript)of the past are written like movie scripts with all the actors lines. You can explore these past FOMC meetings all the way back to 1967.

Here is the link to FOMC archives: http://tinyurl.com/psnq4u

Now as an example here is a pdf file showing the first FOMC meeting transcripts for 1978, held on Jan 5th. WOW ... right off the bat Chairman Burns gets very testy with Mr Truman and his brief attempt to control the meeting. Burns kicks ass! On the second page of script Mr. Burns says this about intervention: "CHAIRMAN BURNS: Yes, you might tell the Committee the total intervention that has occurred thus far. It’s something like $900 million, is it not?"END Just imagine what Bernanke must be saying in his FOMC meetings now only instead of millions its trillions! Fun stuff to read ...

1/5/1978 FOMC Link: http://tinyurl.com/pbouth

Now look at a FOMC meeting minutes for March 17, 2009 ... Its all canned. There are no transcripts available. You cannot point to any one member and see what they said like you can in 1978. A lot less transparency. Why was the original format changed?

3/17/2009 FOMC link: http://tinyurl.com/pyxmuq

It seems to boil down to the less we know about the US FED and what they are saying and doing behind closed doors the better for them. After all it is a private banking cartel.

Re: Mmmmhhhhhh....time to short Google? :)

ALOHA !!

Thanks nemo!

No ... Google would buy them out first! Then GOOG would go up!

I cannot seem to get ASX codes though.

Re: Penny Stocks

teamonfuego,

Actually, I liked the SPNG idea you came up with, and commented that if it was a one-time observation, it's the kind of value-added contribution that helps this community. Not everybody here avoids penny stocks, which means many people are always on the look-out for new names and various insights to the extent that's an independent process. It's up to us to help the filtering task. What I rail about is when some "investors" get hooked on a story and then find themselves trying to convert others. Self-promotion or selling of penny stocks is something I don't permit personally or in the blog, and the harder some people try, the more I repel their efforts. Beyond a certain point, I can get nasty about this stuff because it's no different than multi-level marketing of a financial product by people who, for the most part, are unqualified, unregistered and, beyond the initial layers, unknowing of the true facts involved in a particular stock promotion. Why should we listen to such people? Well, I don't, and I'm going to make sure, to the best of my ability, that you don't either. So, what will be rejected will be the single-minded participant in this community, and their ongoing saga. You all should help me spot them and filter them out. With about 100,000 items annually in the Discourse, by now many of you ought to be able to spot the red flags, but it helps to speak up for the benefit of others who don't. Sharing and helping is why I am blogging.

Indian election results buoy the market

Sensex, Nifty up 17% today, 48% year to date.

silver hammered

Silver is getting hammered premarket. I guess it doesn't like the S&P going up now? I'm confused.

Re: Dollar squeeze

Les, Vinod Shiva,

Thanks for the link to the article by Professor Fekete. Without knowing any technical explanation such as he makes, I have always felt eventually the dollar can only suffer due to the Bernanke actions.

I also seems impossible to create inflation (Bernanke's avoid intention since before taking office) unless people return to extreme credit positions.

From seeing the effects of job loss where I live for the past decade, I can't believe people are going to spend much less borrow more. They are paying down debt or worse, struggling to keep from going deeper.

House sales are averaging 13 to 15 months and going at a much reduced price. The auto dealership closings and low production have been a double hit to jobs here. Many parts suppliers and so far three dealers have been affected.

I have been holding LT Treasuries and GNMAs (with a figure on the exit button) in the belief that deflation will increase at least on most items. He spells it out pretty clearly that is his view.

ANNUITIES

ALOHA!!

We used to have a Lincoln Financial Group annuity ...

I have posted before about annuities. My basic thesis was that the insurers are no better off than the US Banks although this is what Lincoln posts about their annuity guarantees:

"Contracts sold in New York are issued on contract form 04-600NY by Lincoln Life & Annuity Company of New York, Syracuse, NY. The contractual obligations are backed by the claims-paying ability of Lincoln Life & Annuity Company of New York.

Not a deposit.

May go down in value.

Not FDIC-insured - Not insured by any federal agency.

Not guaranteed by any bank or savings association." END

In November 2008 Lincoln bought a bank so they could qualify for TARP by calling themselves a "bank holding company".

Lincoln lost around $600mil for the Q1 2009 and dropped their dividends on common shares from 21 cents to 1 cents per share from last year, but they kept the 75 cents preferred share dividend the same.

Then on May 14th, Lincoln announced they got $2.5bil from TARP. The CEO spun it like this:"Dennis R. Glass, President and Chief Executive Officer of Lincoln Financial, said, "Over the past several months, we have been actively and prudently taking measures to strengthen our liquidity and capital positions at both the holding company and our insurance subsidiaries. Consistent with that goal, access to the Treasury's Capital Purchase Program is a means to further enhance the company's financial flexibility and capital in what has continued to be an unprecedented economic environment."END

As you will see later the "holding company" he refers to consists of three full time employees.

So the company did all this to improve its already great AA, stable outlook ratings from S&P.

What bank did they buy to qualify for $2.5BIL USD in TARP? Here it is: "Lincoln Financial Group Applies to Become Savings and Loan Holding Company
PHILADELPHIA, November 17, 2008 — Lincoln Financial Group (NYSE: LNC) today announced that it has applied with the Office of Thrift Supervision to become a savings and loan holding company concurrent with reaching an agreement to acquire Newton County Loan & Savings, FSB, a federally regulated savings bank."END

How much did Lincoln pay for this bank? They won't disclose that but I found that the Newton County Loan & Savings has only three full time employees and one office located in Goodland, IN. Total assets were $6.6mil USD. Their last financial statement for 2008 showed they had a loss of $377,000USD. I think its a safe bet to say that the TARP $2.5BIL would cover the cost to buy Newton County Loan & Savings!

Link to Newton County bank: http://tinyurl.com/oumk44

WOW ... what a sham ... Maybe I should go out and buy a tiny bank in IOWA and get $2.5BIL USD too! Do I have to pay back the $2.5BIL?

Losses and 1% ROI will not cut the mustard for these global insurance companies in the long run. Beware of gating ... Of course these companies will never pre-announce that.

I'm out of annuities ...

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