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Cara's Commentary & Community Chat, Monday, Jul 6, 2009

[9:30am ET] Matt Goldstein of Reuters has unveiled a bizarre spy drama at Goldman Sachs wherein one Serge Aleynikov is alleged to have stolen the Goldman Sachs real-time proprietary trading system and shipped it secretly to Europe. I’ll speculate here: was the Central Bank of Russia the buyer? Is this the reason President Obama has traveled to Moscow today? ;-)

Who needs John Grisham when fact is juicier than fiction?

http://blogs.reuters.com/commentaries/2009/07/05/a-goldman-trading-scandal/

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/07/is-case-of-quant-trading-industria...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/06/obama.russia.issues/


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Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

Bill, you gotta be joking. I sure hope that you are joking. ;)

Precarious times XWD:T

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The iShares Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs) business,, today announced the launch of two new funds, the iShares CDN MSCI World Index Fund (XWD) and the iShares CDN MSCI Emerging Markets Index Fund (XEM). They will begin trading on the Toronto Stock Exchange today.

"Investors are looking for better ways to gain exposure to ..... while avoiding the currency and estate tax considerations usually associated with U.S.-listed ETFs.

The new iShares ETFs include:

- The iShares CDN MSCI World Index Fund (XWD), with a management expense ratio of 0.45%, is the first ETF of its kind in North America (Barclays-Canada)

OK. Why now ? ETF's have become "day trades" , is this just another grab?

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

Its what you call "open source."

Bill

Thank God someone stole Goldman's program. The more people who have it, the more who use it the less effective it will become. Hail to the thief!

Death to Goldman!

ERX- in and out

23.92/24.55...

Kryptonite...UNG

Had to add at 12.30 (premkt), missed 12.24.. heck and dang.

GS trading advantage

it is not a code. it's their direct access to the govt. that cannot be stolen on a usb drive.

i am growing really tired of the manipulation in this casino. its like playing poker against the house, but this house can see your cards as well as controls which cards are coming out of the deck!

GS

Hmmm, could this be the reason we had technical difficulties last week?

Interesting times.

Re: GS

Here's a little more factual stuff from the Chicago Tribune

Average Down?

NOT

News out today about chromite intercepts that appear favorable. Also note they just granted stock options on the 30th when results were probably in the house.. oh well - thought J. Harvey was above some of that. Guess the news isn't unexpected with the stock trading flat. Happy Trading

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

Just for you, number2son, I inserted a wink.

WolframAlpha

This website is incredible for comparing all sorts of financial variables and appears to be at the leading edge for education in all sectors of society. I have never seen anything like this and have spent way too much time reviewing its capabilities. Enjoy! http://www.wolframalpha.com/screencast/introducing...

Anyone targeting SLW? Currently at 7.90

7.50?

SLW

Going to h#ll. Can it retreat back down to $2.50? Let's start at $7.07 and then $5.66, then $4.88. This could very well happen if gold retreats to $650, a possibility. Precious metals is now following the major indexes and inverse to the dollar. China is going to keep supporting the dollar as long as they have so many US bonds. They aren't stupid. Of course they can continue to quietly acquire gold from their own country's producing mines and nobody will ever know because it won't have any effect on the rest of the world's production.

TLT

Closing TLT JUL 91 inverse straddle for 80% gain.

Still holding TLT AUG 90 short puts and AUG 98 short calls. Will probably be looking to exit this position toward the end of the month unless something weird happens. This position is slightly delta positive.

Looking to add AUG 93 inverse straddle @ 5.10 credit. This position will be slightly delta negative. It has a breakeven at AUG expiration at 88 and 98 so a lot of room to move.

Re: Precarious times XWD:T

"OK. Why now ? ETF's have become "day trades" , is this just another grab?"

Nah. You would not believe how poorly and underserviced the Canadian ETF space is. This is just two more of the much needed ETFs that are trickling into the Canadian Market. From what I understand they just piggy-back on the US listed ones (EEM for the emerging markets one, forget the ticker for the World one) but we'll take it up here in the Great White North. Liquidity will be horrible, though.

And you say ETF's have become day trades. Everything listed is available for day-trading but that's not how the majority use listed stuff.

When Biden Speaks

"Biden: `We misread how bad the economy was'

1 day ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden said the Obama administration "misread how bad the economy was" but stands by its stimulus package and believes the plan will create more jobs as the pace of its spending picks up."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5...

People listen?

OK - what's up with SLW?

Don't know, but have just done one of my infrequent trades. Sold Sep 7.50 puts for .70. If exercised, my basis will be 6.90. Also, put in a semi-stink bid (.25) to repurchase covered calls sold earlier for an average price of 1.12 for sep 10's.

Interesting that SLW briefly went over $10, but the options were not exercised.

SLV vs GLD

Silver, surprisingly, is doing much better than gold rallying off its opening loss. I recall Bill saying that silver is a good tell for - something, what was it now? Bullish PM action? Something like that.

SLW doesn't seem to be benefitting from the rebound though. Curious. Almost a light day's volume in the first hour of trading.

$1K Gold

I'm guessing it's safe to assume our $1K launch has been delayed due to inclement weather.

Can Obama speak fluent Russian as well?

Re: Average Down?

Telestar - Thanks for the link. I really liked that article about the Old Turkey, Partridge, which is further down the page on that link you posted. Take a read and understand it's impact and relation to your investing...it's so true!

Re: Average Down?

It's a lesson many market participants don't fully understand until their accounts have dwindled to almost zero. There remain quite a few out there (and here, as well) that think they "know" when it's OK to average down. I'm not smart enough to know when it's OK, so I avoid the practice altogether.

Good video - thanks for posting.

Re: Average Down?

Don't average down, just buy more....

Re: $1K Gold

He only speaks Goldman.

You have to wonder how this will affect gold prices, since GS is one of the bullion banks holding all the cards.

Certainly lease rates have narrowed between the short and long term.

I'm assuming that either Eurozone sales or UK central bank sales are intended to defend whatever currency, either the Pound or the Euro. Looking at both, they dropped precipitously along with oil prices, and the Yen has bolstered.

888

We're at our 888 target, "average-down" signal is pending.

Re: Anyone targeting SLW? Currently at 7.90

I typed an earlier message about the same time as yours. Don't see it yet, so will reply to your message.

I have sold puts on Sep 7.50 for .70, making my basis 6.90, if exercised. Have also entered a semi-stink bid of .25 to repurchase covered calls of Sep 10s, which were sold at an average price of 1.12.

Re: Anyone targeting SLW? Currently at 7.90

2nd_ave

Everyone is attracted to round numbers, so I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't quite a few stops set at or near $7.50, which also corresponds with the May 1 low.

It's possible that the MMs could take it just a bit lower than that level to pick those off, but we'll know soon enough.

Here it is

The info you've been waiting for.....

Newsflash...This is a bear market. It has been a bear since December 2007. The march-June move was a bear market rally. This market should be traded primarily (some would say exclusively) from the short side.

We are entering a protracted period of stagnation, similar to Japan, as employment trends downward and the biggest bunch of homeowners in world history attempt to catch a bid for their barracks. These two trends will intersect and do a sideways shimmy into a future of down-to-flat housing prices (no incentive to purchase) and a "welcome to Wal-Mart" employment sector.

I have an idea....Let's give California, Texas, Arizona NM and NV back to the Mexicans before those states go broke in exchange for one concession.....that the 50 million illegal Mexicans dispersed throughout the other contiguous 43 states be compelled to move there....A fair trade if you ask me. Viva Mexico!

One more thing and then I'm going to the beach (it should be a lousy summer in the stock market).....If we all just bought whenever we want to sell and sell short when we feel like buying we would be ahead of the game. Our long-only amateurish instincts will lead to poverty if succumbed to. I include myself in this group for rhetorical purposes.

Re: $1K Gold

F6 - I think the question that sticks in my head is "why defend your currency unless excessive inflation is of concern". Putting money in the right hands can make a world of difference because money makes the world go round.

Re: Here it is

sharkie - If I'm reading you right, you're advocating addition to short positions here. I'm wondering if you went short last session and left money on the table for today's gap down...

Re: Anyone targeting SLW? Currently at 7.90

currently at 7.82, checked max pain and the july and august mp is 10.00.

GG

Actually, I'd like nothing more than another shot at buying GG with a 16 handle, it would be a pleasure pulling the trigger on such a trade.

Coyote Trades.......

Don't get caught in the trap.... might have to bite your paw off.....

MTW

CP - It looks like it broke support at approx 5.00. Currently at 4.76 and next downside is approx 4.30? It's down 35% in two months, RSI is near 30 on 7d and under 30 on 7m. Like several stocks, would like to buy but waiting on firmer signals. G

Re: Here it is

Shark says: "It has been a bear since December 2007"

I disagree. It's been a bear since March 2000.

bear trap

my take

Re: Anyone targeting SLW? Currently at 7.90

My SLW chart shows it in a down trend since June 4th. GLD down since June 2nd.
UUP up since June 2nd.

I'm not going to fight the trend.

Re: MTW

G - I'm not buying jack-squat today, I've got cash on the sidelines (and some underwater positions) which suit me just fine.

If we see 666 again, I'll know what to do. Otherwise I'll just sit tight until the selling stops.

An old Texas saying: "If you don't like the weather, just wait a few minutes".

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

It might help to know how much GS contributed to all of Obama's political campaigns over the years.

Justin Mamis says

Rule one of the professional trader is: When a stock doesn’t do what you expect it to do, sell it. No hesitating, no questions or doubts raised no conjectures of the way it should have turned out, or might still turn out, no dreams of how it will do what it was supposed to do‚ tomorrow. The pro never says I’ll watch it one more day. He doesn’t phone an analyst who’s been following the company and ask, what’s happening? Is there any news?’ All too often, the delay in searching for the‚ why, is costly. The desire to be perfect is one of the prime bugaboos of the stock market, but it’s a compulsion that belongs on the psychiatrist’s couch, not on the exchange floor. And that means no berating yourself for having bought it, should it then go down, and no remorse for having sold should the stock turn around after you’ve gotten out and finally do what was expected.

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

Thanks, Bill!

For those curious about the GS espionage story, turns out I'm just 3 degrees removed from Sergey!

http://www.linkedin.com/in/aleynikov

This story looks like a very clumsy and stupid programmer who has had a very well-connected former employer bring the full weight of the government down on him.

Has the story gone mainstream yet? I refuse to watch CNBC, and there's nothing that I can find on Bloomberg.

Re: Here it is

I get your point. In fact there has been a bear market in labor certainly since the point you reference. It is arguable that stocks would have followed suit had not the free-marketeers intervened (yes that's an ironic impossibility).

But think of it this way if you must....If you believe in supply and demand, then clearly the supply of both phony securities (pets.com, the globe.com) and phony money (credit bubble) have lessened to a significant degree, as have salary-paying opportunities to enslave onesself (as well as 401-k opportunities, both of a matching and non-matching nature. So yeah. Damn right there's an significant supply and demand issue in stocks, housing and probably mousetraps at this point. Welcome to America. Land of the inept. Home of traitorous government. Land of the weak, the sick, the old and infirm.

And anyone who thinks that any of these markets are going to just snap back is somking something far better than the rest of us.

Re: MTW

Agreed. Earnings season will see some shakeouts too.

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

"It might help to know how much GS contributed to all of Obama's political campaigns over the years."

I hope they didn't overpay.

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

number2son - bloomberg is mainstream as well. G

Re: ERX- in and out/ Twice

23.65/24.22

Re: $1K Gold

With the Yen rallying, you can see why the bullion market is down during TOCOM hours. And, fwiw, the Yen is one of the most over printed currencies on the planet. Its a world of difference from the Eurozone/UK reality, where they anxiously sell off their bullion.

Its ironic that we are having a replay of last summer, since the oil markets are down ~$10 off the high, a significant percentage, something people would refer to as a crash, and currencies are all falling apart over another unwind of the carry trade. Surprisingly, the $C hasn't collapsed as much, though I fully expected it to.

Its a curious parallel to 1869, when the gold market corner blew out, except that in 2008, the oil market corner blew out and took along with it the various currencies tied into it that were defacto pinned on it.

I wonder if the absconded software will reveal the market corner in oil by Goldman and the relationship with various currencies.

Talking to my farmer buddy, and thinking about AGU...

this is in regards to corn and chickens... think we'll see a rather large increase in chicken processing, because beef prices are just to high... ( he raises both )..... AGU has no debt maturity untill 2011.... so, IF they get CF Industries, I have to go back to the late Feb. charts (when proposal was first announced )and then when CF dropped down toward the $ 59.00 range (I had talked about then)... Because of the Arbs., I would apply a 10% knock on AGU... Maybe this would trace to $ 32.00 because of general market conditions.. either way, AGU is setting up for a great buy.... ( ethanol requirements could also figure in )....

Re: Talking to my farmer buddy, and thinking about AGU...

Note that 60% and climbing of CF shares are heading towards AGU, so-called hostile takeover.
And AGU is down today.
Agree, good potential. Some little problems.

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

CP: "It might help to know how much GS contributed to all of Obama's political campaigns over the years." I hope they didn't overpay.

Here is the list of top contributors:

University of California $1,564,490
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,017
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $699,790
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $589,334
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $550,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $527,572
Columbia University $526,802
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
Latham & Watkins $493,835
US Government $491,420

Source: OpenSecrets.org

Re: $1K Gold

"With the Yen rallying, you can see why the bullion market is down during TOCOM hours. And, fwiw, the Yen is one of the most over printed currencies on the planet. Its a world of difference from the Eurozone/UK reality, where they anxiously sell off their bullion."

I understand that 50% of US currency circulating outside the US is counterfeit as well, supposedly printed by foreign central banks.

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

For comparison purposes....same source.
Sure looks like there was a favorite with some donors.
I see GS hedged their bet some, but we should all know these are subject to federal limits, so over the limit is from pooled PAC donations.

Merrill Lynch $373,595
Citigroup Inc $322,051
Morgan Stanley $273,452
Goldman Sachs $230,095
JPMorgan Chase & Co $228,107
US Government $208,379
AT&T Inc $202,438
Wachovia Corp $195,063
Credit Suisse Group $183,353
UBS AG $183,079
PricewaterhouseCoopers $167,900
Bank of America $166,026
US Army $165,370
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $159,596
Blank Rome LLP $154,226
Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,437
US Dept of Defense $143,605
FedEx Corp $131,974
Lehman Brothers $126,057
Bear Stearns $117,498

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

Goldman Sachs $994,795 (Bid Winner)

Now that's a smokin' good deal paying mega-digit returns, well worth the investment! It seems Obama got the short end of the stick and Bear Stearns' low-ball bid was woefully inadequate.

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

Bill,

Glad to see the humor. Many times, even when things are bad, a little laugh is good for the soul. PS-I also wanted to express how much I like this blog-including things not market related. I may disagree with some of the politics but as long as there is civil discourse we all learn.

Re: Talking to my farmer buddy, and thinking about AGU...

one research firm believes AGU will have to bump up total bid value to at least $ 90.00 .. currently stands at around $ 78.00 total.... this is one of my reasons I would like to buy around $ 32.00 - $ 34.00... one never knows... CF's ceo is pretty set on getting more... and the board still has to approve any offer, regardless of % of shareholder votes.... take care.

A little off topic

You're watching the local news and then all of a sudden THEY do a report enumerating the previous weekend movie grosses, as though you were the Hollywood money-man who actually bankrolled the freaking thing? Is the amount of money a movie made last weekend a news story?

This is some of the sleaziest of the new "journalism", the total eradication of the line between reportage and adverts. It used to perplex me and now it merely offends me to my core.

I have another funny one for you all.....I went to the beach on Friday, it was, to place my chairs and blankets in opportune spots for viewing the 'works scheduled for later that eve, perfectly legal and acceptable here, I called and checked first. Five hours later I says to myself, I says, "let me go back to the beach and just LOOK to make sure my stuff is ok", and would you believe.....

The exact MOMENT I arrive at the beach I see 2 teenagers, Beavis and Butthead actually, grab 2 of my chairs and start walking off with them. I slam the car into park, get out and in full view of half of Westport, I proceed to go COMPLETELY ballistic, which, for me, is pretty severe. I said things to these two that I'm pretty sure they'd never heard before, although I made sure not to actually touch them. Although I came close. Also came close to probably having a heart attack, although it felt great unleashing like that.

The crowd began to heckle me, the hypocrits. Called me crazy. I told the teenagers that rather than notify the police (because invariably I call the cops about 20 times a year to report someone or something "messed up" and even THEY'RE starting to wonder about me), I would instead entrust THEM to guard my "stuff". And if ANY of my "stuff" was missing, I'd be coming after them personally, and not in a kind, friendly manner. I then turned to the crowd of maybe 500 people and announced that "no one" was to lay hands on my "stuff". You know what? When I returned 4 hours later to view the 'works, all my stuff was in place exactly where I'd left it. And it wasn't even smeared in dog ****. Let's hear it for the dog warden and stringent leash-laws!

Teenagers just suck. They just do. I know, I was one once.

Goldman Sachs vs. Rolling Stone

The Rolling Stone story is generating attention in the mainstream press, as this Time magazine article shows. Although Time says the piece contains a bit of exaggerating and a whole lot of hyperbole, to say it is not "real journalism or lacking substance is wrong. There are plenty of facts to back up the case that Goldman generates large profits by taking advantage of others."

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1...

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

University of California $1,564,490. WOW!!!

Re: A little off topic

You are an interesting guy --- I haven't called the cops twenty times in my life and don't know anyone who has. Was the 'show' worth the trouble?

Re: A little off topic

"I haven't called the cops twenty times in my life and don't know anyone who has."

The few times I've called the cops were to report stolen items. Luckily for the thieves and perhaps me, I've yet to catch one red-handed. None of the items have been recovered, the thieves probably sold my liberated possessions for pennies on the dollar.

Re: A little off topic

shark_attack as I was reading your story of the events it brought back memories of when i was a kid and my dad would go "ballistic" when you are younger you are embarrassed but now at almost 50 and reading your tale i was cheering for you and all the Dad's who stand up to those D@@@ Teenagers!
You brought a smile to my face...

FAZ Reverse Split

Any comments GOOD/BAD on the 1 for 10 reverse split due for Wednesday 7/8/09 after the close. FAS is set to reverse split 1 for 5 at the same time.

Re: Here it is

Love 'bid for their barracks'. How ironically true this is. The smartypants "I own three rental homes" bought with zero down interest only based on inflated income crowd are now scrambling to keep their own roofs over their heads. Perhaps it is worth noting that several states (don't forget FL) so deeply in the poo are primary destinations of retirees looking for a better life (yes, hope and change). Seniors who have worked an honest life have a hard time accepting that anyone could heartlessly mislead them into buying a home for more than it is worth. Many elders put their trust in unscrupulous people whether the Madoffs or the Mozillos. If you have elderly relatives please print out the Top Senior Scams list from your state attorney general's website and give them a hardcopy to read. You might highlight the passages about 'investing in second mortgages to help a deserving young couple' buy a home (and remind them not all people with business cards are legit). Then again their own families seem to provide endless opportunities for abuse. It's a crying shame.

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

Two jump out at me:

University of California $1,564,490
US Government $491,420

I guess these numbers must be contributions from individuals who work in the places. Right?

TCK

I like it. Picked some up at $16.61.

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

Cara: I’ll speculate here: was the Central Bank of Russia the buyer? Is this the reason President Obama has traveled to Moscow today?

If so; then Putin must think that this was really a CIA plot to finally bankrupt Russia!?! By the end of June RTSI was 57.15% lower compared to its closing level one year ago (2303.34 points on 30 June 2008).

"Una causa per la guerra", "une cause de guerre", "ein Anlass für den Krieg".

No wonder Obama had to beat it post haste to Moscow!

RTH

Adding 3:1 put:call ratio inverse spread AUG 70 @ 10.6 credit. This is a starter position that I'll add to as needed over the next few days/weeks. I expect a rally back into resistance at around 80 that will subsequently fail.

Re: A little off topic

You don't want to know CP, but I'll give you a hint.

Forget insurance. Just go get an old prescription bottle for Oxycontin/Oxycodone, put some of those white Smarties halloween candies in there and your stuff will still be there when you get back.

I wish I was joking.

Re: Anyone targeting SLW? Currently at 7.90

So far 7.72 has been tested intraday a couple of times and held.

The volume died down after 11:10 AM.

1st level of daily resistance is $7.85, then between $7.95 & $8.00

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

Maybe he's defecting?

When Biden says

"We underestimated the economy" - what does that say about the world renowned financial advisory team the president put together? Either he didn't listen to them or they were way off-base. Confidence will fall farther for the hand-picked experts or the administration - or both. Who did he refer to when he said "we"?

cell phones

Off topic, but I need to purchase an unlocked cell phone? Can someone recommend a good source? Thanks, G

Market Instability

Corporate layoffs are likely to continue as long as market fluctuations continue, I wonder if the GS algorithms consider the effect of economic uncertainty in relation to diminishing gains? If GS eventually becomes the only participant, they will in effect own a failing corporate America.

Re: cell phones

I don't know what you mean by unlocked, but the best deal on new cell phones is Costco. They include the car charger, etc.

Oil stocks

Bill,
That was one of your darkest WIR's yet. It got me really depressed.

I'm thinking i see a buying opps for oil stocks setting up. It's a matter of how low will they go. If China invests in Teck, watch for them to plug money into Canadian oil majors. Also tech companies with a lot of cash on balance sheet. Seems these companies are going to survive and thrive, and be able to pay dividends, buy back stock, or acquire weaker or smaller co's. There seem to be a lot of companies that are run responsibly, have strong balance sheets, and no debt. We are not going to cut back on our use of technology.

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

Grym - US Government - I believe this is the default amount each candidate is provided by law (just guessing, but easily verifiable I'm sure).

Re: cell phones

EBay

SLW- Opening a position @ 7.66

If it drops further, then I'll just hold on to it. Sticking with new rules- no additions except on strength.

Re: cell phones

thanks craig and allengg

SLW

My plan today was to either trade or fade the trendline breakout setup I posted yesterday. The opening gap down confirmed the direction. On at 8.03 covered at 7.69 for a day trade.

never letting a profit turn into a loss

The sell stop limit order I placed on ESLR over the weekend so as "not to let a profit turn into a loss" was executed at $2.30 (for the shares I bought at $2.10 a few weeks ago). I have just placed a buy limit order at $2.00 to replace these shares.

Unfortunately, the sell stop limit order I placed on BTU (stop 29, limit 28.50) was jumped over today and this position did turn into a loss (I bought these shares at $28). Luckily, that was a VERY small position that I acquired after placed TWO buy limit orders, one at $28 and another at $26. Even if both of them will be triggered, then it will still be a small position for me. I just wanted to practice "never letting a profit turn into a loss" using the small initial 1/2 position.

I am already seeing some good prices around, and in order to prevent myself from buying something too soon, I decided instead to close a part of my FCX short (which will effectively make my portfolio a little "longer"), which I just did manually at $45.30 (for the shares I shorted at $50.25).

Re: When Biden says

"Who did he refer to when he said "we"?"

Goldman Sachs

Madoff Investors to be renumerated?

The article:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/147008-the-congres...

H.R. 2798
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc111/h2798_ih.xml

This is such a crock of $$IT. I guess everyone except the middle class gets a bailout. SIPC was not created to bail out defrauded hedge fund investors. Our country has become just one big joke.

Re: A little off topic

shark- I'm impressed with your faith in leaving the chairs/blankets unattended for 5 hours. Based on my experience, I wouldn't have been able to do that. Glad to hear human nature played out as expected.

TCK

Added several thousand more. Average cost now at 16.66, stop loss at 16.76.

my plan for SLW

The current price is tempting, but I already bought some SLW at $8 during its spike down a couple of weeks ago. So, following the principle of regret minimization (or the principle of always finding something good in any market move), I'll wait for SLW to drop to around $7 and will then sell some $7.50 puts on it. If today is a medium-term bottom and SLW does not drop to $7 for a while (or ever), that would be fine with me as my existing position (with a cost basis at $8) will generate a large profit.

SLW

I have a small gap at the 7.25 area and the 0% Fib line @7.56 from
the top @10.97.

http://tinyurl.com/lnpxho

$VIX

"Larry McMillan's newsletter "The Options Strategist", in a recent article titled "Summer Seasonality", McMillan points out a distinct seasonal pattern in market volatility as measured by trends in the VIX. Over the last twenty years, the VIX has shown a tendency to decline during the second quarter (March through June). After that, it rallies sharply from the start of July until October when it peaks. That may account for the seasonal tendency for the market to weaken over the summer and form important bottoms during October. There's no guarantee that seasonal trend of the VIX will work this year (it doesn't work every year). McMillan points out, however that this year's trend in the VIX is following its historical seasonal trend pretty closely. Needless to say, a July bottom in the VIX would suggest that the market may be in for a weak summer."

[by John Murphy Stockcharts.com]

Put together this chart

http://tinyurl.com/mmrm9o

TCK

Stopped out, nice scalp profit.

Re: SLW- Opening a position @ 7.66

It looks like it may go lower based on that heavy volume selloff that started at 2:20 PM and broke below the daily lows.

Good luck with your new position. Do you have a stop loss or are you holding this regardless ?

Re: SLW- Opening a position @ 7.66

ToddinFL

I saw that big red vol candle @2:20... Somebody knows something.

UNG- Average volume 3x that 2 mos ago/10x that 6 mos ago

Any opinions on the signifcance of the voluime increases?

APA

I'm seeing a dragonfly doji on APA at the bottom of a nice long decline. Medium reliability reversal pattern, with the daily RSI at 16, weekly RSI at 35. Only negative thing is, weekly chart MACD looks about to roll over to the downside.

Re: Madoff Investors to be renumerated?

"I guess everyone except the middle class gets a bailout."

It's not what you know, it's who you know that counts.

Re: UNG- Average volume 3x that 2 mos ago/10x that 6 mos ago

2nd

I saw a video earlier today [sorry can't find the link now] and this energy expert was talking about the fall in oil prices and went on to talk about natural gas prices. He said due to the cooler summer weather, industry use at only 65%, unemployment #'s being high and over production [running out of storage space], the demand for it is just not there. So I would think it is a demand issues that maybe causing traders to unload UNG.

Re: APA

I'm hoping to add positions once we get back to near 52wk lows. I've got time, I can wait.

Re: UNG- Average volume 3x that 2 mos ago/10x that 6 mos ago

2nd
Wanted to buy at 52/wk low around 12.70 but it went lower than. Look like might be able to buy under 12.00.
If market is going to go down than all stock will go down including SLW

$VXN

chart for the Nasdaq

http://tinyurl.com/m47s2v

[FYI: I have real time service. So when you access my charts they will always be current.]

Re: Oil stocks

"That was one of your darkest WIR's yet. It got me really depressed."

Really, westcoaster? You know, I never start out with a plan. I just begin writing and don't look back until I'm finished. If I see some news or charts that I don't like as I work myself through the WIR, I guess it shows up that way. I obviously don't like the oils here, and I'm a bit concerned about my bullish gold-related trades. The banks now look done like dinner. How many more hits can Citigroup take? It's $2.74. If it can't hold $3.00, there's a bit of support at $2.40 and then it could be a free-fall to $1.00, and then...?

Maybe this weekend I was just peeved that a certain Swiss bank has pushed me to the point of taking action. The arrogance of these so-called "private" bankers to say I don't have a right to tell my registered securities firm's clients that I'm dealing with that international bank, but that they have the right to contact my clients without my consent. Well, the securities commission agrees with me and recommended I make a formal complaint to the Central Bank. I see their stock price has dropped from over 60 S.Fr. when I started with them to a recent low of six and 3/8. Maybe that will teach these bankers not to put out marketing materials that state they don't do structured investment vehicles and then start mailing me SIV sales pitches. Anyway, as Obama understands the basic service these international Swiss banks are offering, I guess they're more concerned with the US Administration than me.

SU: Where is the line in the oil Sands.

SU is looking cheap where do you guys think a good entry might be.

FYI

Institutional buying decreased dramatically but selling not increased yet [Cobra]

http://tinyurl.com/nbajq5

Re: Obama travelling to Russia on behalf of GS?

CP,

By 2012 I should be able to put together the Kumondami Party and we can have a ball by default on election night :-)

Grym

Gann the Man

He definitely held me back this morning, waiting for a clear trend. Of course, Cara's call for a head fake had me leaning back to begin with.

Re: SLW- Opening a position @ 7.66

Todd- Yes, I have a stop loss this time. Just don't want to 'publish' it ;)

The India Report via Deepak Lalwani

The SENSEX crashed 870 points or 5.8% to 14,043 as disappointed investors sold heavily across the board. LONDON / NEW YORK GRDs/ADRs are much lower, following Bombay. Losses stretch to up to 10%. The mood is negative among foreign investors as recent optimism for reforms are dashed.
Source, chart : Bloomberg

2009/2010 ANNUAL BUDGET (Y/E 31.3. 2010)

The Budget was presented today by Finance Minister, Mr Pranab Mukherjee. This is the first Budget of the new Congress-led coalition after the recent elections and sets the tone of intentions for the next few years. Budget excerpts:
• “The first challenge is to return the GDP growth rate of 9% per annum at the earliest. The second challenge is to deepen and broaden the agenda for inclusive development.”
• “There are signs of revival in domestic industry.”
• “It is possible that the worst two quarters since the global financial meltdown in September 2008 are behind us.”
• 2008/09 (y/e 31.3.2009) GDP growth seen at 6.7%, the weakest in six years.

Salient features, of the budget are, inter - alia:

GDP growth estimated at about 7% for y/e 31.3.2010. The budget assumes growth of 8% in 2010/11 and 9% in 2011/12.

Focus on rural development and infrastructure;
Fiscal deficit target to balloon to a 16-year high of 6.8% of GDP for 09/10 and market borrowings to soar to a record $93 bn to fund spending on power, roads and aid to the poor.

“This fiscal expansion will go a long way in reversing the impact of the economic slowdown and accelerate our growth revival in the medium term” said Mr Mukherjee. For the y/e 31.3.09 the fiscal deficit was 6.2%. Target forecast closer to 3% of GDP by 2011/12, assuming a global recovery. Return to fiscal responsibility targets “at the earliest”. Plans institutional reforms to control fiscal deficit;

Farm sector/rural growth to be top agenda for policy makers and economic gains to be “more inclusive”. Additional $206m over interim budget to be set aside for irrigation. Rural jobs programme raised by 144%. Allocation for rural roads increased by 59%. $1.45 bn for rural electrification scheme, among various reliefs aimed at supporting the poor;

Defence spending increased by 25% to $29.39bn to modernise the world’s fourth largest military. Additionally, $562m to be spent exclusively to boost border security and modernise the police force and intelligence, following the Bombay terrorist attacks last November.

Infrastructure: States asked to remove bottlenecks on infrastructure projects. LNG infrastructure to be expanded. National highways development allocation raised by 23%; More flexibility to India Infrastructure Finance Co. Ltd;

Taxes/Duties: (a) No change in corporate taxes; (b) Overall structure of customs, excise duties and service tax maintained; (c) Commodity transaction tax and fringe benefits tax scrapped; (d) Increases personal income tax exemption and 10% surcharge on personal tax eliminated; (e) MAT increased from 10% to 15% and carry over period extended from 7 to 10 years; (f) Tax holiday for natural gas production;

Non-tax revenues/reforms: (a) 3G wireless spectrum auction to net $7.2bn from $4.1bn expected earlier; (b) 51% government holdings in state-run firms to be maintained; (c) Target of Rs 11.2 bn from sale of state run firms in 2009/10.

BUDGET ANALYSIS

POPULIST BUDGET SEEN TO BE FISCALLY PROFLIGATE. RATTLES MARKETS AS IT LACKS MARKET-FRIENDLY REFORMS. SENSEX POSTS LARGEST BUDGET DAY FALL SINCE 2001. FOREIGN INVESTORS DISAPPOINTED.

1. A much larger than expected fiscal deficit of 6.8% of GDP for 2009/10, with record market borrowings of $93bn planned, is negative. Especially when no clear plan for fiscal consolidation, discipline and funding is given.

2. Investors were unrealistically over-optimistic in their expectations of a host of market-friendly reforms. As stated in our report of 16 June the Congress party’s thinking is left of centre and it won the elections on the mantra of “inclusive growth” for the poorer sections of society which voted it into power. Hence, a populist tone in the first budget was to be expected; but, with strong flavour of reforms to be unfolded to help economic expansion – this has not happened;

3. What is particularly disappointing is that given the clear majority this government has it could have stated clearly the reforms that would be put in motion in the future. It has behaved as though it was still restrained by the left as in the past and has concentrated on populist measures. Foreign investors are very disappointed;

4. Positives include: (a) Thrust on agriculture, infrastructure and aid to the poor is a good signal for long-term growth; (b) Tax rates being kept unchanged should help consumer-led consumption; Negatives include: (a) Very high fiscal deficit; (b) A missed opportunity to signal reforms in insurance, pensions, banking, raising FII limits in key sectors; (c) Too much emphasis on populist measures.

DISCLAIMER

AUTHOR: Deepak Lalwani FSI, FCCA T: +44 (0)20 7012 8803
Director - India e: d.lalwani@astaire.co.uk

Next Bubble - Cap and Trade?

According to Matt Taibbi in his Rolling Stone article, the next bubble will be in Cap and Trade. The attached article has some stock ideas:

http://zachstocks.com/2009/06/cap-and-trade/

last minute buying

Our last minute buying sprees are back.

Re: SLW- Opening a position @ 7.66

Understood.

No one knows what size anyone posting here is trading with so laying it all out there for everyone to see can be disadvantageous at times.

Re: A little off topic

2nd,

Human nature can be surprising, but look at it from their perspective.....Literally the MOMENT they decided to steal it was like the wrath of God coming down. They must have been staking out my stuff for an hour prior to attempting it, and justice was so swift and so negative, Pavlov-wise that I'd be surprised if either of them EVER tries to steal a beach chair again.

Afterwards, to steal from me would have been to steal from the crazy guy, a bad bet usually. I went medieval on them, and the results were predictable. No one even went NEAR my stuff after that. Greed and fear...The motivating principles of life.

BTW you my friend are one stand-up guy and I am honored to know you. I am getting back from my gf's just now, halfway into a bottle of Granache and headed for the beach.

See you tomorrow.

Dark WIR

Maybe others are getting inured to the obvious, that the odds are stacked against the public. After reading WIR and the Rolling Stone article on GS, it pretty much did me in. I know there's no end to it and we can only choose to soldier on as you later said. It helps to know our enemy, so thanks for that.

"Now that we know our place in the world order – slaves mostly – just when we start to get ahead by beating the trading pants off HB&B in the capital markets, we are, I fear, about to get burdened with a trader tax. If you want to day trade, ie, battle hand to hand in the trenches against these banks, you will soon have to pay a price in the form of a transaction tax that for all intents and purposes will be an eradicator of competition from the independent trader."

Put on a small position in HFD.to today.

trader tax

Unconstitutional. Supreme court will not allow it. Even if it passed I would just go back to stealing the old fashioned way. Nothing will stop me...will it stop you?

Re: Dark WIR

"slaves mostly"

Now that was over the top.

I need somebody to review this stuff before I hit the upload button.

think carefully

the gravy train that is the capital markets would become devoid of suckers if a trader tax were introduced...it will not happen for precisely that reason. The capital markets are a device by which hbb and others steal from joe and sally doe. If they stop playing, who's there to take the wrong side of trades?

I really think that even if introduced the markets would adapt to it. People would hold positions longer, or whatever, to account for and pay for the tax.

Re: think carefully

"the gravy train that is the capital markets would become devoid of suckers if a trader tax were introduced...it will not happen for precisely that reason. The capital markets are a device by which hbb and others steal from joe and sally doe. If they stop playing, who's there to take the wrong side of trades?"

shark- I made the same point yesterday. Not as eloquently as you, of course.

Re: think carefully

Shark, 2nd:

I see the logic, but we are dealing with lawmakers who tax first and ask questions later. Bill is right; at some point, a transaction tax is probably headed our way.

More from India today:

“But the greatest disappointment for the stock market was that the Finance Minister left the STT untouched.

There was a consensus that the STT would be tweaked lower to appease the trading fraternity in this Budget and there would be a road-map for phasing out this unpopular tax.

Silence on this score, coupled with increase in Minimum Alternate tax (MAT) from 10 to 15 per cent, and increase in Budget estimate of the fiscal deficit to 6.8 per cent provided the fodder for bears to rampage through the Indian stock markets after the Budget speech.”

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2009/07/07/sto...

DOJ Opens Review of Telecom Industry

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124689740762401297...

Seems like the wrong industry is being investigated. How about GS and JPM for instance?

Also seems like a good cover story to be buying telco's into weakness over the next couple months.

Another disillusioned Newsletter writer comments

From Dow Theory Letters.................

"Russell Comment --The whole bailout campaign stinks to high heaven. It was created and run by Wall Street -- FOR Wall Street.

Again, I say, personally, I wouldn't have lifted a finger to bail Wall Street out. Let all these Wall Street thieves stew in their own toxic juices. Thieves should be out on the street or in jail, not luxuriating in government bailout money. In the end, the bailouts will simply extend the bear market in stocks and the economy. The Wall Streeters will be richer, and the nation will be poorer, choking on trillions in debt that will keep future generations struggling to deal with the sins of Wall Street. Too bad Obama didn't have the courage (or knowledge) to tell the nation what was going on. Obama should have said, "sit tight" and "this too shall pass." Unfortunately, after the trillions spent in bailouts, "this too will not pass."

Re: trader tax

i worried about this in a posting in january:

http://caracommunity.com/content/caras-commentary-...

as a high volume day trader, will i have to pay $100k in transaction taxes before i see a dime in profits? in that case, i should have kept my day job :)

Re: Dark WIR

Naa, it's ok as published. Your other description of us as "pawns" in the chess analogy is my favorite though because it included all the other actors in the hierarchy of the chess pieces. All there to protect King HB&B.

Guess we'll see

Something to keep in the back of your mind tomorrow....

"....both VIX and SPX were up today. From the chart below we can see (dashed vertical lines) that 7 out of 8 recently when both VIX and SPX were up on the same day, the next day wasn’t very pleasant." [Cobra]

Chart: http://tinyurl.com/mho3t2

Agora Financial Investment Symposium

Anyone been to the Agora Financial Investment Symposium?
It takes place this year July 21-24, 2009 in Vancouver.
Considering in going but not sure if its worth the $800 plus airfare and hotel.

Thanks.

Re: Guess we'll see

Trading seemed awfully sleepy today. Perhaps the GS auto-trader was taken offline because they were worried it could be fooled by the folks who got a look at the algorithms over the past month. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys.

I'm going to guess from the lazy follow-through today and the widespread expectation that green shoots may not be so green after all, we will head fake up tomorrow - and maybe for a bit longer. The buck has lost all of its gains today and then some starting before the close and continuing afterwards. If it holds and perhaps continues, I'm going to bet on a 10-15 point up day tomorrow, led by a bounce in crude and PM.

I notice that energy stocks have outpaced the losses in crude - APA is down 28% from peak, while oil is only down 16%. Many of the energy-related stocks printed hammers or dragonfly dojis, they all have sub 30 daily RSIs (some sub 20s), so I'm thinking it's time for a bounce. Well I'm hoping anyway - I got CHK and APA near end of day today after seeing the doji.

Sergey and Elina

I think it's hilarious.

Vinod- Invent a fool-proof algo-killer and I'll share the blame 50/50 ;)

Call it a year?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/low-quality-stock...

"Given the surge that U.S. stocks have enjoyed, maybe mutual-fund investors should just call it a year.

"The market's performance over the last three months is closer to what you'd see in a runaway bullish 12-month period. Diversified U.S. stock funds rose 17.6% in the second quarter on average, according to preliminary results from investment researcher Morningstar Inc. The group is up a no-less impressive 7.1% in the first six months of 2009.

"In fact, while U.S. stocks lagged their international counterparts, every domestic stock-fund category that Morningstar tracks enjoyed double-digit quarterly gains, and all but real-estate focused funds are up for the year. See story on international stock-funds' quarterly results.

"But the rally since early March, while heartening, hinged on the good fortune of lower-quality, smaller-capitalization stocks. Such higher-risk holdings typically lead the market once it hits bottom, but they may not have much more juice left."

Re: Guess we'll see

"Perhaps the GS auto-trader was taken offline"

The way the tape moved today, I'd say the auto-trader was in full-hunt mode. Gap down, race to 894 then down to the low of 888, and slow buying the remainder of the day.

I wonder how many mom and pop stops were blown through...

U7 PLUS PAYROLL

ALOHA !!

The 1994 based U7 Unemployment rate reached 21%. The U6 rate is at 17% ... There must be a reason the US government prefers not to use the same Unemployment formula as they did in 1994, the U7 Rate. Hummmmmm????

Meanwhile the US PAYROLL WITHHOLDING TAX REVENUES for Q3 fell off a cliff and this marks the third consecutive 2009 Quarter that has been down. Each quarter is worse than the prior quarter for payroll withholding. This mean that the US government cannot fund its outlays just using tax revenues. Without a market for US Treasuries and without US Trust Funds open to hold IOUs this country would be in default. The current cost of outlays has now crossed the $9.2TRIL line, while the US TREASURY has only taken in $1.5TRIL in tax revenues. The SPEND RATE hit 5.90 today and there is no doubt that the OBAMA regime is even better at "spending" than the BUSH regime was. One more quarter until FY 2010 starts. The amount of spending in the OBAMA "pipeline" is just staggering when you consider CAP & TRADE, STIMULUS X, US Military and Universal Healthcare.

The IOUs are over $9.2TRIL USD ... that is not deflation in anyone's book! OBAMA is now making significant gains on the US PUBLIC DEBT and $12TRIL USD is within sight. God only knows what it will cost America to pay the interest on $12TRIL DEBT for FY2010? EMBEDDED DEBT since 1835 creates more EMBEDDED DEBT which begets permanently EMBEDDED INFLATION ...

"No nation need fear at any time to have less money than it needs.
-Ludwig Von Mises

Re: DOJ Opens Review of Telecom Industry

I remember after the Nasdaq crash there were some stellar opportunities in telecom not to be repeated.

But the telecoms were also a primary source for fraudulent activity, especially at the boardroom level.

I don't recall the same M&A activity this time around, though.

Its more like the commercial banking or mining sector nowadays.

Re: U7 PLUS PAYROLL

kaimu - These numbers don't yet include the program that I suspect will be necessary to put a floor in the housing market. The longer they wait, the more expensive it will become.

Re: Agora Financial Investment Symposium

wpepper,

If you go, get ready to get hustled by stock promoters intermingled with newsletter promoters working for the stock promoters -- everybody scratching the others' back. If you are aware of all that, fine, you can pick up some good info that could pay for the trip and even maybe make your year. If you don't know the game, you are a lamb ready to be fleeced.

Re: Another disallusioned Newsletter writer comments

Barry,

Re: ”Obama should have said, "sit tight" and "this too shall pass."

With all due respect to Richard Russell of the Dow Theory Letters, the Wall Street Bail-out has little to do with Obama. Wall Street tells the guy how high to jump. Did you see the Barry Ritholtz piece this morning?

The cult of the sacred cow appointments. The latest ugly data points: The number of Wall Street (versus business or academic) appointments. To wit: “How Goldman Sachs and Citi Run the Show“ via Andrew Cockburn.
Cockburn details the following recent Wall Street transplants who are running things in the Adminstiration:
• Robert Hormats, Vice Chairman of Goldman Sachs, is to be installed as Under Secretary of Economics, Business, and Agricultural Affairs.
• Jacob Lew, Chief Financial Officer of Citigroup Alternative Investments Group, as Deputy Secretary of State
(Lew’s dept. lost $509 million in the Q1 2008)
• Michael Froman, Citigroup, Deputy National Security Adviser for International Economic Affairs. Froman was formerly Chief of Staff to Robert Rubin at Treasury, before following him to Citi.
• Froman’s deputy, David Lipton, ran Citi’s global country risk management effort.
• Lewis Alexander, Citigroup’s chief economist and now Counselor to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner
• Neal Wolin, President and COO, Hartford Insurance Company, Property and Casualty Group now Deputy Treasury Secretary (Hartford received $3.4 billion in TARP funds).
• Gary Gensler, Goldman Sachs partner, now Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission Note: It was Gensler who was a key proponent (as Clinton’s Assistant Secretary of Treasury) in pushing the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000.
• Mark Patterson, Goldman Sach’s lobbyist, now Treasury Chief of Staff
• Linda Robertson, Enron lobbyist, Chief PR Federal Reserve

This situation is no an amusing tid-bit; it’s downright frightening. These people have seized control of Washington.

Re: Agora Financial Investment Symposium

"If you go, get ready to get hustled by stock promoters intermingled with newsletter promoters working for the stock promoters -- every body scratching the others' back."

Well said! And it cracked me up. I had the misfortune of subscribing to a pricey Agora newsletter and wound up very disappointed, and my mailbox was stuffed with newsletter pitches for months. I think the best value around is right here at caracommunity.com. Thanks Bill for all you put into it.

KC

Financial Journalism: Contradiction

http://ronsen.blogspot.com/2009/07/financial-journ...

A near juxtaposition of headlines that credit is better and credit is worse. Since I put it up, the headlines have changed; maybe somebody said, "oops". And Bloomberg is among the best.

IOU forever

http://tinyurl.com/n93m26

what is going on? I.O.U's from the largest populous state, being sold on eBay? Goldman loses secret sauce and u.s attorney states in the wrong hands it can be used to manipulate and manufacture profits, yet no one is investigating?

I should send my next mortgage payment with an IOU. This is a sad sad moment for Americans. We don't fight back at all; this just after independence day.

Re: APA

Well, you have three falling-window resistance zones above the hammer today. R1=67.50-68.68, R2=70.16-70.90 R3=73.78-75.00. R3 is especially strong because it spent 8 days not being able to close any of the gap. It was also the negation of a support window on 4/29, which makes it even tougher. R2 coincides with a resistance zone that served as the top of a box range 3/20 and 4/29.

The hammer is a bullish signal, but in the context of the falling windows you'll have to be light on your feet with this one for a while until it recovers R3.

Given the environment, perhaps a rise to the 13 day (I use front weighted) MA, and then a further trip down to test the bottom of that box range.

IMO of course and at the whim of PPT/interventionists

Re: think carefully

Cool beans 2nd. By the way I was kidding when I mentioned going back to stealing the old fashioned way, but either no one picked up on the irony or they were afraid to mention it:)

Re: IOU forever

Here is the Goldman link where the U.S attorney states,

“The bank has raised the possibility that there is a danger that somebody who knew how to use this program could use it to manipulate markets in unfair ways,” Facciponti said, according to a recording of the hearing made public today. “The copy in Germany is still out there, and we at this time do not know who else has access to it.”

http://tinyurl.com/lte3xu

Re: Dark WIR

"slaves mostly"

Now that was over the top.

I need somebody to review this stuff before I hit the upload button.

Nah...what do you call us when a government can rack up as much debt as they want on our backs. SLAVE, sounds pretty accurate

Re: IOU forever

“The bank has raised the possibility that there is a danger that somebody who knew how to use this program could use it to manipulate markets in unfair ways,” Facciponti said..."

"Manipulate markets in unfair ways..." Ha ha ha LMAO Government Sachs would NEVER do that...

Re: Agora Financial Investment Symposium

knifecatcher,

I think everybody here understands that I think stock promotion is a necessary and desirable vocation. I am just saying that these people have a job to do, and they are gathering a crowd together at these "investment conferences" in order to work up some Buy orders.

The expression "Stocks are not bought; they are sold" is absolutely true -- from penny stocks to large caps. They are all touted.

What we are doing here is teaching people how to think, so they can make better decisions or at the very least be able to have more fruitful discussions with personal advisors. My role is to put the people in control -- not the Agora's of the world.

16 TONS

ALOHA !!

Someone came up with the idea of blaming all this on the US FED ...

LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj01Sqi0zic&feature...

Here's to the Knight

Light posting tonight. Bill is more responsive than the pawns. He is a knight, has a unique maneuvering capability and is full of surprises.

Maybe some of the pawns are "shell shocked" from the July 4 celebration. More likely they are taken aback by todays price action in oil, gas, PM, and even agriculture.

I am too, despite warnings from the knight in his dismal but prescient WIR.

Good nite/knight all.

Manulife to issue $1 billion issue in notes

Manulife Financial to issue $1 billion issue in notes to boost Tier 1 capital
July, 6, 2009 - 08:14 pm THE CANADIAN PRESS
TORONTO - Manulife Financial Corp. (TSX:MFC) said Monday it would issue $1 billion in notes to boost its Tier 1 capital.

The insurance company said the interest rate on the notes, which will be due Dec. 31, 2108, will be fixed at 7.405 per cent per year and starting on Dec. 31, 2019, and on every fifth anniversary after that, will be reset. RBC Capital Markets and National Bank Financial are the lead underwriters.

The financing is expected to close on July 10.

More regulation coming down the pipe?

U.S. commodities regulators, in an effort to crack down on excessive speculation, plan to propose sweeping trading limits on oil, natural gas and possibly other commodities.

U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission Chairman Gary Gensler said Tuesday the agency will hold hearings this summer to consider imposing position limits for "all commodities of finite supply." The agency will also review whether swap dealers, index traders and exchange-traded fund managers should be allowed to get around those limits through special hedge exemptions.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124696097259205141...

Re: Agora Financial Investment Symposium

Bill, knifecatcher

Perhaps I'll take a vacation to Vancouver but skip the Symposium. Wouldn't know a good tip from a bad tip. Been to the Bill Cara Conference and think its the best deal going.

Thanks

Re: U7 PLUS PAYROLL

"The 1994 based U7 Unemployment rate reached 21%. The U6 rate is at 17% ... There must be a reason the US government prefers not to use the same Unemployment formula as they did in 1994, the U7 Rate. Hummmmmm????"

The guy who was in charge of U7 was probably one of the first to lose his job.

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