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Cara's Commentary & Community Chat, Thursday, Aug. 6, 2009

[6:50am ET] A late-night deal on Sept 14, 2008, between Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis and Merrill Lynch CEO John Thain agreed to a bail-out of the Merrill Lynch shareholders for $50 billion. This was one of the worst deals in history because, as I stated at the time, how can a banker buy liabilities without knowing the extent of those liabilities. That’s not what bankers do.

Writing for the Wall Street Journal today, Dan Fitzpatrick looks behind the curtains and states that the BAC management were growing nervous over the deal through the Dec 5 shareholder approval and through the threat by Lewis to Bernanke and Paulson on Dec 17 to walk away, finally completing the deal Jan 1 without disclosing the gargantuan losses.

http://www.efinancialnews.com/investmentbanking/index/content/1054885191

There ought to be a grand jury investigation over this matter. But more than anything the public ought to understand that deals are done often because of the egos involved, but without the brains to require post-deal adjustments for contingencies that both parties in this case absolutely knew were ballooning leading up to and throughout this period.

At the end of the day, prosecutors cannot just look into the leadership of Messrs Lewis and Thain, but to all the senior officers on both sides of the deal, and to the Fed and Treasury, who were involved at the time, and who covered tracks later. I have no doubt there was criminality involved. Moreover, I know that the public as well as the shareholders of each of these companies needs absolute transparency. Without it, capital markets fail,

If we don’t get transparency on transactions of this magnitude, then we can expect the details of much smaller deals to be hidden from us as well. After all, the Bank of America’s and Merrill Lynch’s along with the JP Morgan Chase’s, Goldman’s and Morgan Stanley’s are the executive management of Humungous Bank & Broker (HB&B), which are the people who do the lobbying, have the legislation influenced, control the industry Self Regulatory Organization, make the rules and regulations, and set the standards.

What these people have done to the public in the past year is disgusting. Many of them ought to be indicted. The public is demanding it. Will the prosecutors and the legislators now show us that money can buy anything, including freedom to carry out unconscionable acts on the people?

For the sake of America, I sure hope not.


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Bill - this judge says the public must hear of BoA's issue

Judge Calls Hearing in SEC Case Against BofA (cut n paste)

U .S. District Judge Jed S. Rakoff refused to sign off on a consent decree between the Securities and Exchange Commission and Bank of America Corp., saying that blessing the deal without a hearing would leave the public in the dark regarding a key aspect of the Wall Street bailout.

Instead, Judge Rakoff set a hearing for Monday over the charges, in which the SEC alleged that the bank misled shareholders about billions of dollars in bonuses promised to Merrill Lynch & Co. employees when the ..

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124952086387109745...

Let's pump the financials a bit more today hey!

"Fannie, Freddie could face major reform. The White House is considering a plan that would strip hundreds of billions of dollars in troubled assets from Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE). The assets would be placed in a government-backed 'bad bank,' leaving Fannie and Freddie with healthy balance sheets while the 'bad bank' would try to collect as much of the outstanding loan balances as possible. A White House spokesman said "it should come as no surprise that the administration is thinking through [government-sponsored enterprises] reform," but no final decisions have been made. Premarket: FNM +4.1%, FRE +7.5% (7:00 ET)."

http://seekingalpha.com/article/154229-wall-street...

Homeowners - Who's your (sugar coated poison) daddy?

"Taylor Bean stops lending. Taylor Bean & Whitaker, which was suspended earlier this week from making Federal Housing Administration loans, will cease operations and won't fund mortgages in its pipeline. The failure of Taylor Bean, the country's 12th-largest mortgage lender, further consolidates an industry that is coming to be dominated by a handful of large banks."

http://seekingalpha.com/article/154229-wall-street...

RSI ETF scan

Triple RSI buys REW, QID, FXP, SSG, EEV

capitulation buys SKF, RFN

Do your own homework

FD: I hold most of the above inc QID, FXP, and EEV

Typically I will ask a good question

and usually no one has the answer. Now I know that 2 nights ago the financials were doing ok in the U.K. and I also know that some jamooks are saying the recession's coming to an end.

Please tell me....What actually happened in AIG particularly, yesterday morning that resulted in this move. Of course there is a major short-squeeze element but what materially changed. And if something did, why didn't shark get the memo?

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

Wisdom cookie from JL:

"Then came AIG. **AIG at $14 was already a base breakout on the daily**, so it caught my attention immediately. My first purchase was at $14.46 as noted.

Now, as you may have noticed for the past few weeks, I do scale in and out of positions. This ensures that I keep the majority of my gains, while keeping any losses at a minimum (I did lose once on the AIG trade after 2PM for -2%, which was nothing to me). Scaling in and out is a primary strategy for me during momentum plays.

In the next few trades, you can see a multitude of symmetrical and ascending triangles. It is important to note the volume. Volume should be light during these consolidations. On the first spike, whether it's still inside or outside of the triangle, the volume should spike. This provides the "spark" that will keep a stock moving. This applies to all trades.

My first and only loss came when a double top formed on AIG. I sold near the first breakdown. A -2% loss at this point didn't even register in my mind. Following the complete breakdown, you can see that AIG was stabilizing. I bought at the first breakout of the base stabilization and I am still holding that 5% position.

In total, I made more in one day than what most people work to make in a year as a salaried employee.

My attention has now shifted to all financial stocks at this point, regardless of price, because they all have the capability to become Spikers RIGHT NOW.

So that's that. My CIT and FRE trades followed similar patterns, but not like AIG which went totally insane. **It's important to trade what you see. Many people were confused that there was no news out. Who cares? Find out later.** Your objective is to take advantage of what is present, and the present told me I was gonna bank serious coin."

usd

pos div in rsi if this low holds. The triangle breakdown from a few weeks ago has reached it's po. I wonder if the usd will rally soon. On the weekly price has hit the downtrend from the 2006 highs for the 4th time, looking like a falling wedge.

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China due for sell off...

Carter Worth is saying China is due for sell off.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601084&si...

Tell us something we don't all know Carter....

TYP, SDS

cut my losses at $15.5 and $45.2 that i bought AH yesterday at $15.92 and $45.98, respectively. Not standing in front of this train yet.

Went to the dark side and bought some FRE at $.98 in premarket.

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

Cool Les but in the total absence of "reasons" it is pretty hard laying down enough lettuce to result in an enormous win.

But dude I will re-read your post and hope sometime in my lifetime to do what you've just done. Like today perhaps.

Re: usd

Thanks tbar, USD is the key to playing those oversold ultrashorts of bsi87's

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

I did nothing but cut n paste JL's article here.

I follow this man because in the complete lack of logic and fundamental reasoning I see the charts are our only hope in playing this casino.

Sorry, didn't quote correctly:

http://weeklyta.blogspot.com/

I'm watching a lot of Bloomberg

So in the words of the forgettable and also unexplainably successful Bob Seeger,

"Betty Liu's gettin' out tonight...
Betty Liu's gettin' out tonight!"

Down under looking up

SYDNEY -- Australia's economic resilience continues to surprise with data Thursday showing 32,200 new jobs were created in July, sharply raising the potential that the central bank will increase interest rates before the end of the year.

Hmm? 3 part-time for each full time?

"shed 16,000 full-time jobs in July, but created 48,200 part-time positions,"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124952599707309983...

Re: Down under looking up

LOL! Pretzel logic Seamus!

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

. . "why didn't shark get the memo?"

You weren't in the room!

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

..."in the complete lack of logic and fundamental reasoning I see the charts are our only hope in playing this casino"

You make it sound as if it were something new :)

Re: Down under looking up

Same Walmart job creation phenomena as seen in the US Seamus.

Part-time employed and underemployed increasingly significant in the Australian labour force.

This at the same time as housing prices are rising, pushing ratios of housing cost to salaries to levels previously unheard of in Australia.

The Australian dream.

WMT/TGT/JCP

Looking good pre-market. I'm just sayin', not buyin' but I will pick up some TZA when the time comes traders decide to take their bloated gains off the table.

srs 11.8-premarket

no position

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

When did logic and fundamental reasoning become part of trading?

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

"You make it sound as if it were something new :)"

It's new to me Vad and I am becoming a most enthusiastic adherent. Happily I enjoy the technical aspects of trading, otherwise I wouldn't bother learning it.

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

Asking me? That was my point :)

Watch that NAZ

Market Edge Daily Commentary

"As we mentioned in the past few days, the tech heavy NASDAQ has been underperforming since last Thursday. It did that again today. The short term MACDs of both the NASDAQ and the larger cap NASDAQ 100 index turned lower today further indicating a loss of bullish momentum. Techs have led the recent rally. Should they roll over, the broader market is likely to follow suit."

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Off Topic--Getting blood from a stone

Excerpt from SF Chronicle:

SF: Give me 16 inches

"Another bureaucratic blip: Larry Moore, the formerly homeless shoeshine guy, can't seem to get a break. He's beat alcoholism, homelessness and poverty, but there's no beating City Hall.

After shelling out more than $400 for a permit for his shoe- shine stand - with the help of some generous San Franciscans - Moore was told last week that he had an outstanding warrant for trespassing and owed another $400. Moore said he was also lectured about the location of his stand - it was 16 inches out of place - and warned that he might have to move it."

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

Great. Because this "contradiction" between logic and price movement is the foundation of any method of reading the market. There is a good reason why I made explanation of this phenomenon a subject of the very first session for CTAB conference. All the rest is stemming from that.

Currencies

Speaking of currencies and "stock markets going up" , since the beginning of the year Seamus has been posting about switching to the Aussie dollar, and myself to the Brazilian Real. Here are the performances of the currencies ETFs YTD:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iV5yDiKxCdk/SnrS2v-t_OI/...

In this short time the USD cratered 35% vs Brazilian Real (that is a crash in my books).

In the meantime, the US stock markets went up - nominally, but that may just be another illusion based on the cratering USD (as Bill points out as well).

Funny thing is that I posted very much the same comment in 2007, re. the "illusions of the markets going up", and also of "gold going up" (only vs the USD). We know what was going on behind the scenes then and how it ended. I hope not, but it seems like deja vu.

BTW, in the meantime that the Brazilian Real went up 35%, the Bovespa went up another ~40% on top of it (YTD). Now that is real gain, no pun intended.

Laws of gravity will apply.

FIG

Now over $5

Prime mortgage... will be the icing on the cake

will not try shorts till around November - December... but, its coming to a town near you....

Re: Down under looking up

And around here...

Good News: It was announced recently that Americans average earnings are rising.

Bad News: Since so many low-paying jobs have been dropped, what's left is an average of the higher paying ones not yet lost.

Like the old joke — In answer to your question... Yes, there IS beer in heaven...You'll be buying a round for everyone tonight.

Cara 100 Ratings Changes

Good morning.

GRMN - Downgraded to Underweight @ JP Morgan

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

My point is that yesterday's AIG action seemed like a dramatic switch from the idea that the big fish were short and riding AIG into oblivion, to, and it's as though someone told somebody something, a situation where everyone wanted to get long and no one wanted to be short. It didn't seem like something spontaneous and self-creating, it seemed as though like some Obama guy said to some JPM guy, "this sucker's not going out of business, it's getting rescued no matter what, and in fact it will be very profitable because we will create new public entities to offload the bad risks onto leaving the company pristine." Let's see what happens today.

How are you doing Vad? I wasn't at the conference, so I didn't get the memo:)

Re: I'm watching a lot of Bloomberg

shark, who is Bob Seeger is that Bob Seger or Pete Seeger?

I guess you are referring to Seger's Betty Lou?

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

Now I did send you a memo this morning Sharkie, albeit with a caveat that this was no recommendatio to buy.

ABK +28%, CT+3%, FIG +7%, OWW +4%, SOLR + 1.7%, ABR -1.89%

FD: no position. But this is a fun game :)

OCNF

Ouch, glad I sold that sucker!

Question - scanning for overnight holds in realtime

Does stockcharts.com permit this? I have yet to try.

Shorts running from SEC?

A fascinating little piece from Bespoke:

http://bespokeinvest.typepad.com/bespoke/2009/08/s...

- explains that little move up yesterday afternoon

Dave

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

You didn't get the memo because you forgot to put a cover sheet on your TPS Report.

AIG up another 27%.....the new CEO must be a real Hummmmmmdinger! Maybe they are writings CDS again!!

So Blue Horshoe like Ambac?

Hey Bill. I'm thinking that stalwart of the pre-video age, that other bearded wonder, yes I am speaking of the HIGHLY unlistenable Bob Seger.

Betty Liu IS gettin' out tonight. And if not tonight, tomorrow:)

Under radar

small cap with excellent earnings and guidance. BWY

2nd, out of longs for profits

100% cash

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

Admittedly it was too late to trade on these pre market, or was it? Was anyone looking at premarket prices?

It's an interesting social phenomena, what I believe to be the day trading community homing in on "Hot" stocks like that. I wish I had taken my psych studies further, but essays on the meta-analysis of clinical studies on the treatment of depression just put me to sleep.

Re: I'm watching a lot of Bloomberg

Well then, don't leave Bruce Springstein out of the picture... "Baby we were born to run" (Jersey beach music)

"In the day we sweat it out in the streets of a runaway american dream At night we ride through mansions of glory in suicide machines Sprung from cages out on highway 9,
Chrome wheeled, fuel injected and steppin out over the line
Baby this town rips the bones from your back Its a death trap, its a suicide rap We gotta get out while were young
`cause tramps like us, baby we were born to run"

Re: Typically I will ask a good question

Les... read our pre-opening comments and two first open trades when our trading log is posted after market today. You'll see clean illustration how this kind of situation is being utilized real time. Particularly, HIG trade with 15 cents risk, 50+ cents profit in a minute or two - with reasoning, setup and risk control.

Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

In Q2, Goldman Sachs made in excess of $100 million in daily trading profits a record 46 times. In their trading, they also lost money just two times. Tell me how that is possible in a level playing field?

We all take risk, or we are supposed to anyway. That's the capital market system. However, the rest of us, and that includes most of Goldman Sachs competitors, just have no chance to compete. We are up against the biggest computers in the world and privileged people who are receiving insider knowledge coming from the Treasury, the Fed and lobbyists in Congress. We cannot compete because taking the risks we do and to lose money just twice in a quarter year means we would be doing something impossible – without insider trading knowledge and computers that simply overwhelm the resources of the rest of us.

One question Congress needs to ask is how the Goldman Sachs hedge fund clients performed in 2Q09. I suspect they were ripped off, and have been moving to other advisors/brokers. I also suspect that Goldman Sachs really doesn’t care because making money is all that counts to those who receive those humungous bonuses.

What Congressional Committees need to do now, because the SEC is obviously not up to the task, is to demand formal hearings to discuss the smallest details of the Goldman Sachs trading blotters as well as those of their clients who were less fortunate. Let them also explain the front-running ahead of their so-called “independent” research reports and public statements.

If ever the market is going to get back on track to stability, we need the House and Senate to establish new sub-committees to sniff out the facts. The public just needs to know two things: (i) are Goldman Sachs crooks or not, and (ii) if they are crooks, which of them will be indicted?

I’ll make a final point: do you recall during the Q2 when I was writing that the market was up big one day, usually on gaps, and down big the next day, usually on gaps? Unless you knew in advance and were participants in a manipulated market, I’ll make the statement that you were flat-out lying when claiming to only lose money twice that quarter trading honestly.

The ball is in your court, Congress. Please don't fumble it.

gold here

you saw it yesterday as gold went sideways the stocks softened.

gold moved up pre-market to prior resistance and fell back down hard.

we all know the miners are doing, and we know what they will do alongside a market slide.

this is not good action, be careful here to those thinking they can add on what they think are dips.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

"(i) are Goldman Sachs crooks or not, and (ii) if they are crooks, which of them will be indicted?"

Probably their computer algorithms are just far superior to ours? This whole subject sounds rather like an advertisement.

Re: gold here

dr.cosa - "this is not good action, be careful here to those thinking they can add on what they think are dips."

Absolutely - there's a lot of risk in gold right now, be ready to take gains - no need to be a hero here.

"Gains Overseas, Cisco Lift U.S. Stock Futures"

What, now CSCO's done with their heavy lifting? CSCO was down following AH earnings yesterday if anybody was noticing.... DUH!

GENZ has hit the 2 day double dip .....

watching for one more drop......

Re: 2nd, out of longs for profits

Craig- Sounds good.

I just woke up, man. It's nice to sleep in for a change.

SRS with an 11 handle? 25 handle on FAZ? I think we almost have to sell off today.

However, I won't be around to play it.

Toying with the idea of trading much less. There are probably a few entry points each year where, without watching the market too closely, one can time the major trend moves. If I miss the opportunity to make money, does it matter? Not really.

Good luck today. I'll be traveling around the Bay. Check in well after the close.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

You don't need superior algorithms if you get a millisecond view of order flow.
Computers are fast enough to see this and order accordingly. That is all they do...front run on data WE can't get or see.
your personal computer is fast enough, but it isn't based on the floor of the exchange nor is it getting a view of order flow.

Cara 100 Update

CSCO - PT Raised from $23 to $26 @ JMP Securities. Market Outperform.

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Note to 2nd:

You have mail.

Re: Currencies

Great info, SiO2. I've sort of been harping on this issue all year with my SPY/CD$ graphs, etc.

Don't forget, though, these "real gains" since nov-dec '08 have come on the heels of almost equivalent "real losses" during may-Oct '08. This whole fiasco, in my nostrils, has acquired the stink of simply a major financial shock. Rightly or wrongly, currencies and markets are attempting a V-shaped reversion to some level.

The game now seems to be to keep your head about you as the US$ and other currencies and the markets attempt a return to some middle ground. Finding those assets/markets/currencies that are overshooting, those which are lagging, and those who have no right to go anywhere but to zero seems to be where the opportunites are in the intermediate term.

Notice I have said "attempting reversions" a couple of times. Risks are much higher now than they were in November, especially in the assets that have overshot or got way ahead of others.

Anyway, that's how I size up what's going on. I guess, basically, what we have here are super-dynamic arbitrage opportunities, likely not to last too much longer, at which point we'll all have to take a good hard look at the underlying fundamentals and decide what's truly salvagable and worthy going forward, longer-term.

Oh, I almost forgot. I found this chart back in November and have been watching it periodically since then. I think it's a bit of a poster child for last year's fun and games. Incredibly boring fixed-income investment vehicle:

http://tinyurl.com/l68253

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Bill said, "The public just needs to know two things: (i) are Goldman Sachs crooks or not, and (ii) if they are crooks, which of them will be indicted?

In the Michael Steinhardt video he says "In old fashioned Russia we would take them out and shoot them." In referencing wall street villains.

see vid at about 5.30-6.00

http://paul.kedrosky.com/archives/2009/08/michael_...

Re: 2nd, out of longs for profits

If we're finally selling off a day won't make a big difference and there's no need to catch absolute tops and bottoms, all you want is a slice of the middle!

Here's to SKF running from 28.24 to $308 like last time!
Have FUN!

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Well said Craig.

Dave

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

"In Q2, Goldman Sachs made in excess of $100 million in daily trading profits a record 46 times. In their trading, they also lost money just two times. Tell me how that is possible in a level playing field?"

"Who leaked this? (info about flash trading).... Tell them I'll rip out their %^$&*&% throats....I want ziplock lips on the (flash trading) deal..."

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Bill,

Government capture by Goldman is reality now. I am not sure it's possible politically to regulate them at all.....What with all the Obama, the Googling, the congress, we have a Goldman guy here, Jim Himes....

I propose that we change the name of the country to the United States of Marcus Goldman and let it go at that.

Or...get really really good at trading WITH the computers.

Finally if nothing else solace yourselves with the notion that, according to physicists, there are probably many parallel universes where every permutation of possibility is played out...

You get where I'm going with this?....In some parallel universe, we ALL work at Goldman, we ALL make millions each and every year, we ALL own houses on Nantucket, we ALL drive new Ferrari's, we ALL date hot chicks exclusively. That puts things in a whole new light:)

100% Cash

100% Cash is a dollar bull trade. I'm short oil cause 1) I don't think prices can keep running higher without stunting recovery, 2) the dollar is likely to bounce, 3) equities are overbought, 4) the consumer is strapped for cash and 5) his home is underwater, etc.

Got Cash' O Plenty on the sideline ready to go to work in case I'm right(or wrong). This morning I'm up 2% on the 2x oil short I SCOoped up a couple days ago, not a great amount but I'm just gettin' along best I can.

Re: "Gains Overseas, Cisco Lift U.S. Stock Futures"

CP,

I assume you are talking about gold equities, right?

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Bill,

What are the chances of justice seeping into the system?

GE accountants get caught and shareholders are fined $50 million.

I keep hoping for a lynch mob. I have friends who owned GM and watched even preferred stock go down the drain and the company given away.

http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2009/2009-178.htm

SEC Charges General Electric With Accounting Fraud
GE Agrees to Pay $50 Million to Settle SEC's Charges

Washington, D.C., Aug. 4, 2009 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed civil fraud and other charges against General Electric Company (GE), alleging that it misled investors by reporting materially false and misleading results in its financial

"Misleading" is like Obama saying Geithner's unpaid taxes were, "...an honest mistake..."

Comcast

Is Comcast a Cara 100? Reported earnings that beat estimates by 53% and these estimates don't appear to me to have been of the watered-down variety. Earnings have been pretty steadily increasing since 2003 and this quarter's was a record, albeit they don't sound too upbeat in their reporting.

Earnings History (scroll down to the bottom):

http://ccbn.aol.com/company.asp?ticker=CMCSA&coid=...

Earnings Summary in FT:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b3eb7572-8298-11de-ab4a-...

Cara 100 Update (Final)

CSCO - estimates, target upped at Barclays. Shares of CSCO now seen reaching $24. Estimates also raised, to reflect a healthy backlog. Equal-weight rating.

GRMN - numbers increased at Barclays through 2010. Margins are improving as demand in North America appears to be stabilizing. Equal-weight rating and new $28 price target.

Reminder

About 30 mins ago the POMO auction took place.

http://www.ny.frb.org/markets/pomo/display/index.cfm

So if the chart I posted yesterday is any indication of what is to come, then we should see a painting of the tape this afternoon. There is a lot of $$$ now available for the dealers to throw back into equities.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

"In old fashioned Russia we would take them out and shoot them."

During the 1929 Depression here it was the WWI Bonus Marchers who were shot.

I expect we'll see some sort of rioting eventually. The cheating and government favoritism is just so blatant something's got to explode.

FRE trading last 15 minutes...?

Anyone care to comment? I don't know what I'm seeing

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Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

I think what has been overlooked in the whole GS bamboozle is that they are now a bank holding company and oversight complete with risk controls should be enforced on these guys. Unchecked greed andf risk brought the house of cards down including the wunderkind @ GS, recall they chose being a regulated bank to access TARP funding et al.

Re: 2nd, out of longs for profits

Pulled out of two Vanguard funds half Tuesday, balance Wednesday — VWEHX corp bonds and VWINX 1/2 bonds and 1/2 stocks with +9.5% and + 4.5% in between 2 and 3 months.

Just too much risk in everything here. I'm going out and play in the dirt.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Really? so far the $USD is what, 75 cents, the average home has lost half it's value, the average IRA/401K has lost 40%, there's record deficits and rising taxes, food, health insurance, etc. etc. and so far not so much as a whimper from Joe D. (dumbass) Sixpack. He just wants to know where to send the check.

I think we've finally cut enough education and got everyone on the hook to the point they don't dare do anything or they can't make their payments. Buying a car? J6P asks "what's the payment" NOT "whats the interest rate, what's the actual cost of the car?" Just give me my 'cash for clunkers' don't ask what it really costs and who's paying the cash. Hint: you're kids, their kids and the grandkids kids, kids, kids kids. We are enslaving our progeny.

WE'RE THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE SHOT IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, AND QUICK.

Face it, we're not Americans anymore, we're retards.

Re: "Gains Overseas, Cisco Lift U.S. Stock Futures"

Grym - "I assume you are talking about gold equities"

This was a comment on the CISCO networks company, their earnings weren't something to write home about but the news was selling Cisco.

Gold Equities - There may be a pop, or a rally if the $USD breaks down further from here but GDX bears are watching closely... AUY earnings were poor, how about the other peers (I haven't investigated)?

Also might short gold if/when it goes parabolic then turns down but gold is a fast animal so fast I'm not sure I'm quick enough for a clean capture.

Buffett's Betrayal or good fortune to be too big to fail?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/154016-buffett-s-b...?

A Reuter's journalist has written about the betrayal some 20 years ago I suspect of a 14 year old (himself) who was not then aware that Buffett's holdings in numerous financial services companies would be benefited greatly in 2008-2009 by the US taxpayer. Man, if that's a betrayal, this person has the thinnest skin of anyone I ever met, and then some.

The article does a nice job of summarizing the already much reported facts, and we get the point, but calling Buffett's image a piece of fiction is just more hooey than I can take today.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Craig - " Just give me my 'cash for clunkers' don't ask what it really costs and who's paying the cash. Hint: you're kids, their kids and the grandkids kids, kids, kids kids. We are enslaving our progeny.

WE'RE THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE SHOT IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, AND QUICK."

Don't look at me, I voted for Ron Paul. But your last comment might still apply:

Face it, we're not Americans anymore, we're retards. ;)

The other option to kicking the can down the road(and putting the monkey on the kids and great grand kids would be QE,(this would make things tough now instead of later, and create jobs if done carefully) but we're too retarded...

Re: Prime mortgage... will be the icing on the cake

About Half Of US Mortgages Seen Underwater by 2011

http://tinyurl.com/ltur4u

Re: Reminder

Something I forgot to add. On POMO days supposedly the intra day lows are set between 12:30 & 1:30 then the rest of the afternoon is running up the tape. But what I can't find out is, can this $$$ by the dealers be used to short with?

Re: Reminder

Bev - "But what I can't find out is, can this $$$ by the dealers be used to short with?"

Historical records might provide some indication?

EK/FIG

Both are flying again today.

Re: Buffett's Betrayal or good fortune to be too big to fail?

Agreed Bill. In the quotes provided it appears Buffett is merely stating facts, more then criticizing or making a point. I'm sure Berkshire is paying more for financing (if needed) then government guaranteed banks, but it isn't clear Buffett is complaining about it, it's more a statement than anything else.
I'm sure he is profiting from the guarantees, but I imagine he also knows it would be more than shareholders wiped out by the BK of the too large to fail banks and brokers, it would have done a lot of damage to regular folks and the economy. Not that it isn't going to over time, but it would have been precipitous rather than bleeding us dry slowly.....:>)
Choose your medicine I guess, pull the bandaid off fast and get it over with or gruelingly slow and drag it out hoping for recovery. It remains to be seen if the slow method will work, but it will be painful regardless.

$USD

BTW Bill, nice call on the bottoming of the $USD for the time being a couple days ago. Prescient as usual, glad to see Montezuma didn't cloud your crystal ball.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

A lot of these people being labeled "retards" are too busy to be on line all day minding their investments. They have none anyway.

They are looking for work.
Trying to figure out where they will live if the house is foreclosed.
Waiting in line at the employment office.
Some are waiting in line at the local food pantry.

The latest report I saw was 6 people on average applying for every job open. My neighbor applied for one at the local community college... there were over 150 people in line. When your family's supper is in question it's a whole new ballgame.

What are we who have time to be here and criticizing them doing about it?

Mostly just bitching. I know that's about all I have done.

Let me know if you form a regiment to storm the Capitol or the White House.

Meanwhile let's have a little compassion for those who are really hurting.

Green shoots !

About half of U.S. mortgages seen underwater by 2011

The percentage of U.S. homeowners who owe more than their house is worth will nearly double to 48 percent in 2011 from 26 percent at the end of March, portending another blow to the housing market, Deutsche Bank said on Wednesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090805/bs_nm/us_usa_h...

Re: Reminder

Chickenpookie

Maybe that may show something. Will have to look into that when I get some more time.

Re: Green shoots !

BEV - "About half of U.S. mortgages seen underwater by 2011"

Them's brown shoots and it's not good for banks(Taxpayers)! Let's arrange to have a chat with Obama over a beer... or we could just buy gold on dips.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

If they were responsible CITIZENS and took the time to educate themselves about finance then they wouldn't be in this predicament.

When I try to discuss finance with most people, a good 90% get a glazed over look in their eyes and express no interest. That's THEIR fault, not mine.

BTW, my family and friends included.

When you have nothing you have nothing to lose, they need to get organized, call their about to be EX-CONgresspersons, Ex-senators and President and TELL them what they want. They don't do that, they complain....meekly.

I write my supposed representatives on a weekly basis. I'm pissed off and I let them know I'm not voting for them and if given the opportunity I would do more.
I can't spell that out or jack booted thugs would break in my door.
Compassion gets you nowhere. Anger and action gets it done.
It is what it is, you are either man or mouse. Choose.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Grym - "Meanwhile let's have a little compassion for those who are really hurting."

Are these the same ones who bought debt from HB&B and voted for more of the same? Their imprudent decision making process has affected me in negative ways.

If they were sold a bill of goods (which I think is the case) then you're correct, we can't blame them but after the second round of buying YES WE CAN begin pondering their sanity...

The more things CHANGE, the more they stay the same.

Half measures?

Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:58:44 PM
The Nasdaq Stock Market, Inc To Voluntarily Eliminate Flash Order Offering by Sept. 1

So all the noise around flash orders so far led to this. If you ask me - so what? Flash orders is merely a blip on a radar, a minor offense if that. It may be good as a first step, but not much more than that. The very existence of dark pools is what regulators should be looking into.

The question of why some liquidity should be taken and traded away from the market we all trade is a major issue. I don't buy into explanation that those are huge orders that could move the market. So what? They well should, and we all should be able to trade against those orders and utilize the price changes caused by them. I don't believe dark pools are designed to protect the market - IMO, rather to protect those same huge orders from the price waves caused by them. Or the orders now too are "too big to lose"?

Quel bonheur today

Just back from the pool with the kids. I've attached a photo of the place. You can see why I keep going back, even if water isn't my favorite element. That and the ladies who, in such a mild alpine climate, are rarely seen with less than a jacket and jeans. There's only two months a year where we can let it all hang out in Switzerland.

Look at the 1-5 dollar favourites! Doing their own thing, even when the market is tanking. That's what gets me worked up! What joy you could have had with ABK and FIG today if you are nimble enough. MACDh is telling you when to go long and when to short.

Sorry photogray, wasn't around to comment on your request.

I've no money riding on these charts but quel bonheur to be able to read them!

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Re: Half measures?

Things have just begun Vad. We've got plenty of years of saga ahead of us. I suspect civil lawsuits will have an impact in correcting this sort of behaviour in the future, given official lack of interest in challenging the status quo.

Re: Half measures?

Does anybody know how the trades in the dark pools are updated/reflected in the prices in the overall market? i don't understand the logistics of the dark pools.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

CP, I think you are being so kind. If you have negative savings and are buying more house and other silly goodies then you can afford, then don't we have to question more than sanity? And we have to have compassion for these people?

I follow Darwin's factual thesis with these folks. If we were in the wild could they eat more than they gathered or hunted?

I don't have a great deal of compassion for free-loaders or those that CHOOSE to live beyond their means.

This is the predictable result

Of a 40 years, more or less, of "successful" Republican policy.

Thirty four million people on food stamps. Fifty million people without health insurance. Probably half the nations adult population is either unemployed are dramatically under-employed.

But understand this....This is the promise of Republican politics. This is the end result, the goal of all the trickle down, all the tax reductions, all the tax avoidance schemes. All the goshdarn "trickle-down" economics, a now-completely discredited notion. As is the idea that markets are free. And that the best and the brightest get the furthest. And that those who have nothing are evolutionarily inferior. It's all bullshit. Everything you ever learned and believed is untrue.

Re: This is the predictable result

Anyone who argues Republicans did this or Democrats did that . . . watches too much TV news, reads too much written news, listens to too much talk radio and doesn't look in the mirror as often as they should.

Re: pools in paradise

Speaking of swimming pools, I came across these photos recently...thought I'd pass them on.

Swimming pools in the Maldives

If gold ultimately pays off perhaps those Caraistas invested in the yellow metal can spend some their booty and visit this paradise.

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Re: This is the predictable result

I think the Dems have contributed as much to the mess as the Reps. You are now a ward of the nanny state so enjoy the onslaught of taxation as pork barrel politics really get a leg up. As Bill says the integrity of the markets needs to be restored not more rules and fees that are politically driven.

Gold

Article on seasonal's.

If you own gold, are thinking about buying or selling gold you should read.

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Downey/aug042009.html

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

"If they were responsible CITIZENS and took the time to educate themselves about finance then they wouldn't be in this predicament.

When I try to discuss finance with most people, a good 90% get a glazed over look in their eyes and express no interest. That's THEIR fault, not mine.

BTW, my family and friends included."

Right On Craig! You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free! . . . to paraphrase another philosopher. :)

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Craig - Ah yes, but I have two theories integrated into my thesis:
1) Man evolves externally.
2) Man may currently be evolving in reverse.

Now here's a cheer for both sanity and evolution:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2009-04-26-sw...

Those Germans are always stirring up trouble. So much for Les' day at the beach! ;)

Re: Green shoots !

Chickenpookie

Should we leave a tip on the table after the beer? Tax receipts are down don't forget.

rough day

I guess it had to happen after a streak of good luck. I sold out of my TYK and SDS at the lows this morning and bought FRE at the highs, only to be stopped out about 8% lower. In addition to this, I sold all of my AIG positions at significantly less gains than possible yesterday....

The one good thing I did do was buy more IMMR at $4.18.

Re: Half measures?

I am far from being convinced... see, here is my problem with recent developments in this regards.

Little history first, to create a backdrop for what happens these days. Tech boom and bust, 1998-2001. A lot of people got hurt. naturally someone has to take the blame, and authorities go out to look for the guilty party. Do they focus on the logistics driving funds' buying? On the structure of their rewards that leads to behavior that mounts new buys upon old buys? No - they come to conclusion it was daytraders who caused the run-up (and consequent crash)! never mind that daytraders tend to be net neutral as they flip their positions, thus don't cause such sustainable major market moves over the course of months and years. What did we end up with? Why, of course 25K rule limiting ability to day trade for many. Much good it did. It won't even amount to a band-aid over a wound, it's rather a band-aid put over the unscratched skin while cancer eats away at internal organs.

What do we have now? People and regulators whip themselves into frenzy over relatively minor and largely harmless issues of HFT and SLP (and loosely related flash orders), while real problems remain undiscussed and not addressed. It's bound to end with another blow to retail traders under the pretense of protecting them - just as 25K rule did. It's very easy to do - just forbid liquidity rebates, or try to put some artificial limits on how often one can trade, or tax stock sale within certain time limit of buy... and see what happens to retail traders. And it's very easy to justify, too - just use some perverted logic, sprinkled with righteous indignation. "Oh, we want market to reflect fundamentals, so we will put prohibitive tax on frequent trades, penalizing those pesky daytraders and rewarding investors, and we will kill those HFTers while at that" - there, I did it.

I hope that explains why I was so skeptical about those endless articles on HFT and SLP, demonizing legit trading methods while ignoring real problems.

Another one bites the dust..

One of Charlotte's oldest and best BBQ places closed down last week... and its located in center-city, not the outskirts....

Re: Reminder

As to my comment #40290.... this current drop kills that theory.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Grym - Why do we need jobs? To pay our taxes, buy our food, pay for energy? What if the citizens decided to become more self sufficient, simple and less dependent?

What if the gov't took those trillions that are going to the bankers (and enriching a few) and instead invested in some R&D to empower it's citizens? Less telling us what we can and cannot do and more collaboration on solutions.

We must also consider the story of the ant and the grasshopper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ant_and_the_Grass...

Perhaps someday we will have more ants in our society who plan ahead better.

2nd, rest assured the advance is near the end

I sold my SRS while evacuating my stomach this am. The end of the climb is certainly nearly at hand. My timing is impecciable.

Re: Reminder

Bev I used to frequent a site "Market Swing" - they tracked the POMOs and TOMOs religiously. I never saw any real correlation between Fed Open Market Operations and market.

Dave

Re: Reminder

jdb633 [Dave]

Do you still have the link to Market Swing?

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

CP: Tis true. Think about it in terms of fact.

1. America, a melting pot. At first a strength due to hybrid vigor, IE: unlike crossed to unlike resulting in genetic strength. Each succesive generation (back-crosses)reduces said vigor. Add in the dividing cultural/religious arguments RE: religion in school, I don't want to pay if my kid can't evangelize, I want different schools than the other race/culture/religion or I want private religious schools but I refuse to be a part of the whole of society and pay taxes for public schools (penny wise, dollar foolish) and you compound it with loss of vigor and voluntary ignorance.

So that covers both parts of your thesis.

Hence we get DEVO, the band named after the theory of devolution.

Collect on services promised but not provided through Taxation:

The old man wrote a letter to his son and described his predicament:

Dear Michael,

I am feeling pretty bad because it looks like I won't be able to plant my tomato garden this year. I'm just getting too old to be digging up a garden plot. If you were here my troubles would be over. I know you would dig the plot for me.

Love, your Babá.

A few days later he received a letter from his son:

Dear Babá,

Don't dig up the garden. That's where I buried the bodies.

Love Michael

At 4 a.m. the next morning, Federal and NSW police arrived and dug up the entire area without finding any bodies. They apologized to the old man and left. That same day the old man received another letter from his son.

Dear Babá,

Go ahead and plant the tomatoes now. That's the best I could do under the circumstances.

Love Michael

Re: Reminder

Don't have a link - believe it was "www.marketswing.com" - was a free site with lots of postings by members

Dave

Re: Collect on services promised but not provided through ...

Dad, I hid my pot in the firewood.....

hmmmm

what was that $10 pop in gold just now,
seems to be settling back down but still.

my spidy sense is tingling, any time USD goes up along side gold,
something is about to take a hard dump down. if the lacklustre action in the gold shares doesnt reverse then i think we will have our answer.

Re: Half measures?

Vad,

I think the jury is still out on whether or not the SLPs are getting paid for truly increasing liquidity or simply amping-up volume. Big difference. It's also important to know what percentage of liquidity is being supplied/restricted to dark pools as opposed to markets where retail traders have access. Once again, big difference.

Re: Half measures?

Hmmm... a few days I gave a very detailed explanation of how liquidity rebate works, broken down by three posts... I don't think you read it. Sentence "whether or not the SLPs are getting paid for truly increasing liquidity or simply amping-up volume" makes no sense, sorry.

Re: Unusual Move In The Copper Price

We have a somewhat parabolic move in the copper price in the last couple of weeks and the RSI is getting well into the overbought range.

The TSX and the TD.TO are in somewhat the same condition, as is the loonie vs the $US. The SSEC and Bovespa are in a manic state.

Options expiry this month will be the 21st:

http://www.optionsclearing.com/publications/xcal/x...

AIG move

Shark,

http://tinyurl.com/ltnktj

Seems that it's related to Radian announcement.

Mike

Re: Cogent Comment On Japan

"Nevertheless, the prospect of higher government spending may boost bond yields and the yen, which has dropped 4.7 percent against the dollar this year. Optimism the opposition will be more successful than Aso in strengthening the economy is likely to encourage overseas investors, said Naomi Fink, Japan strategist at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ Ltd. in Tokyo.

“The DPJ is running on spending and cutting waste and they’re more market friendly, which is yen-positive,” Fink said. “Yields are likely to keep climbing.” The party’s promise not to interfere with the Bank of Japan, allowing the central bank to raise interest rates more easily “absolutely helps.”

The yen traded at 94.92 per dollar late in Tokyo on Aug. 3. It will rise to 85 by year-end, Fink said. The currency gained 23 percent last year and 6.5 percent in 2007."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive...

Re: Half measures?

If I and someone else trade the trade the same share of stock one million times in a very narrow price range then I have created a lot of volume but not necessarily a lot of liquidity.

Even if liquidity is added but only a very select few can access this liquidity and possibly the price bid/asked is never published at all, how does this benefit retail traders?

Re: Unusual Move In The Copper Price

Short PCU?

Re: Half measures?

What you describe is impossible. I will have to ask you to get back to those posts and read how liquidity rebate works.

I don't mean to be rude but I posted them in answer to your question. You ask it again now which makes me question whether you read what I answer.

Re: Half measures?

I read your posts carefully and I think I understand your position. I have also read dozens of articles from every source I can find and time and time again I see the same two questions: is it primarily volume or truly additional liquidity? Is it a benefit to just a few or is it a benefit to all? If it's a benefit to just a few is everybody having to pay for it?

I understand fully that you have reached a conclusion on this issue. I merely note that a lot of others are not as confident as you are.

Re: Half measures?

Okay... without reposting whole lot of it, just one simple comment:

Liquidity rebate is being paid for posting bids and offers, and after they are being taken by someone else. It's NOT being paid for taking someone's bids and offers. Taking someone's bids and offers leads to a FEE, not rebate, and fee is higher than rebate, so you can't have a buddy to take your bids/offers and share rebate with him - you both will share loss, not profit.

I can't understand how this is still open for interpetations and is a matter of being confident or not, reaching conclusion or not. It's a fact, it's not a suggestion or assumption. Direct outcome of it is: in order to be paid for liquidity one must:
1. Add it by posting bids and offers
2. Have it actually taken by someone else by actually hitting those bids and offers.

For the world of me I can't see how those questions can still remain after realizing how it actually works.

Re: Unusual Move In The Copper Price

$hui:$gyx chart is worth a look. weekly looks like a double bottom/ 1 yr flag forming.

EOD Stats

Another big sell off.

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And now for something completely diferent

I have posted more negative stuff today that I did in two years, and I hate that. I enjoy my life without delving into that, so I will try to balance it by this:

http://www.realitytrader.com/photography/2009/08/t...

Hope you all enjoy viewing them as much as I did taking them.

THE OTHER HANK

ALOHA !!

The article out on Hank Greenberg's (the other Hank)$15MIL settlement on manipulating financials was at best yet another pathetic hand slap. Even Greenberg commented ... "I appreciate the SEC's recognition that I personally should not be charged with any fraud." Once again the high paid CEO admits no wrongdoing! Sounds like Ken Lay ...

Yet lower down is this bit on Warren Buffet that brought up some past suspicions of mine. I found it odd that after Buffet got his butt whipped for his $19BIL USDX short position that the SEC opened a probe on General Re(one of the Buffet companies)and the probe was dropped after Buffet "liquidated" his huge silver holdings back a few years now.

"A criminal prosecution resulted last year in the conviction of four former executives of General Re and one former AIG executive. They were accused of inflating AIG's reserves by $500 million in 2000 and 2001 through fraudulent reinsurance transactions that made AIG's financial condition appear stronger than it was, boosting its stock price at a time it was looking to acquire American General Corp. AIG was General Re's biggest client at the time.

I guess Warren Buffet had no idea what was going on over at General Re! Sounds like what Ken Lay used to say.

I had a great deal more respect for Buffet when he stuck to his old business model of "real wealth", like GEICO. Take a down and out company, rebuild management and make them profitable. That's the Warren Buffet I could get behind. When he was buying $5BIL of Goldman Sachs preferred shares he was also turned into one of the media clowns on CNBC. Sort of like a booksigning PR tour through Wall Street! Nothing like a high profile stock guru to put in the bottom for GS!

While I understand the fiduciary responsibility of any CEO is to make money for his shareholders there comes a time when making those profits on the backs of hard working Americans is unacceptable. There is a fine line between what Buffet did with GS and General RE and what Lay did with ENRON, when ENRON pillaged the California utility company customers running 1000% leveraged futures scams off pre-arranged rolling blackouts! GS commits fraud and apparently so does General RE. Buffet must be aware of "common denominators" and their side effect on his legacy. Grandpa Walton he is not ...

Hummmm??

Let Me Guess---

One fantastic day coming (tomorrow?) then she takes a dump...?

Re: Let Me Guess---

I don't know CP but I closed out all positions - went to cash toward the eod today. Most significant positon was QQQQ puts - made about 7.5% on those. I'm feeling very comfortable with cash going into the (un)employment report tomorrow.

Dave

Re: And now for something completely diferent

COOL Vad you were in Sydney paddling around the harbour?

ah no wait, that's a Czech flag, my mistake. :P

70-300. nice. printy printy spendy spendy. I picked up a 70-200 with the decent entry level SLR package Sony's rebadged Konica Minolta is offered with, but 300's a little on the expensive side for this bum. When trading begins to pay off perhaps. Such a lens would be good for airshows.

Re: And now for something completely diferent

It's Sidney, not Sydney :)

And yes, 70-300 is marvelous, for airshows as well - just look previous post on the same page, "Canadian Snowbirds". On 4/3 Olympus sensor it's actually 600 mm reach in 35mm terms! Requires some steady hands when shooting fully extended :)

Re: Half measures?

This is a great encapsulation but I think it also goes right to one of the big issues...

"Liquidity rebate is being paid for posting bids and offers, and after they are being taken by someone else. It's NOT being paid for taking someone's bids and offers. Taking someone's bids and offers leads to a FEE, not rebate, and fee is higher than rebate, so you can't have a buddy to take your bids/offers and share rebate with him - you both will share loss, not profit."

Aren't the people who are supplying the liquidity (inventory) and getting the rebate often the same people who are the eventual buyers/sellers (often via algo-driven HFT) of those same shares? If so, they can get the rebate and a few milliseconds later make a profitable trade - it's not necessarily mutually exclusive activities or conspiritorial. It's simply different groups/desks within the same company but it eventually goes to a common bottom line.

Re: And now for something completely diferent

Nice pics Vad, tell us more about your camera. Some nice beauties hanging out on the seashore there... ;)

Re: Half measures?

Those who got their bid or offer filled now have a certain position, long or short. Of course they want to close it - for profit. Is it what you accuse them of?

Re: And now for something completely diferent

Thank you CP...

Olympus E-30, to me the best Oly DSLR up to date. As much as we often miss simpler life, gotta love the technology sometimes, advances are beyond imagination.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Craig,

Most of these people have been hard working honest citizens go ahead get mad at your congressman and write him every day — he won't give a damn. I wrote and called reps and senators for more than twenty years — all I ever got was BS form letter relies. They don't read your messages. I received a few for entirely different issues that what I wrote about. i gave up on that a decade ago.

The only way to communicate would be a note tied to a brick.

Anger doesn't get s_ _t done or I could have prevented the job losses here and the bankers would be behind bars long before now.

I taking about people who had something to lose and have lost it through the lack of Congressional oversight or total cooperation with the bastards making out like the bandits they all are.

So don't give me any of your man or mouse crap — just Goddamn shove it!

Some local photos

Here Vad, took the camera for a shakedown on the lake the other day. I've got attention spread across so many activities that I've yet to read the instruction manual (I used to be a keen photographer - got some great photos of Cambodia/Burma), but it takes a decent photo without my help.

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Anyone see any MiGs around?

Re: Half measures?

No, Vad, but I think there is a problem when people who get paid to supply shares are the same people who are allowed to have an advance look at and then trade those very same shares using computers located in the exchanges where the trade takes place. It seems like a conflict of interest, is unethical at best, and ought to violate anti-trust laws.

Anyway, this has been beaten to death at this point and I would like to agree to disagree and move on.

Re: Let Me Guess---

jdp633 - It appears there were great numbers who chose to exit the long side today, perhaps resulting in maximum pain.

I can't identify many reasons for a weaker $USD (and higher equities) at this point(on a short time horizon) aside from a fantastic employment report, which I don't particularly expect.

I'm normally wrong when I'm guessing, gold looking particularly weak here...

End of day scans not an easy thing but...

looking at the big picture. What do these stocks have in common?:

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=FRE&p=60&yr=1&mn=...

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=FNM&p=60&yr=1&mn=...

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=LYG&p=60&yr=1&mn=...

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=C&p=60&yr=1&mn=6&...

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPY&p=60&yr=1&mn=...

some crap stocks going parabolic or nearly so. How long they gonna keep that up for? Can't be too long, the rate some of those are gaining altitude. Ever flown a Pitts Special into a vertical climb? Works until the machine hits about 40 knots, then you toss her over and its all green shoots! (the view that is, as you speed back towards earth in a vertical dive).

Oooh is that the S&P I see turning over?

Re: Some local photos

Les,

good ones, thank you for sharing!

Re: Half measures?

morris,

you are mixing in very different issues effectively changing the topic. Having advance access to orders flow before they get posted is outright criminal, and I said so in my very first post on the topic. In that same post I said that it was important for us to understand what is legitimate way to trade and what is criminal - because if we don't, that's where we will get shortchanged as interested parties try to distract us with make-up issue while real ones remain unnoticed- again. And that's exactly why I went into great pains to explain how it works and to separate harmless things from really dangerous. That's also exactly why I took issue with update on flash orders today - to underline that if this is all they do, it's nothing but another distraction.

HFT and SLP is not a problem. Advance access to orders is. Flash trading is a minor problem if at all. Dark pools existence is a major issue.

And... if you want to end the discussion by agreeing to disagree, maybe stop making arguments?? :)

An advantage to being in cash

Is that you get a "fresh start" to rethink where things are and where they might go next, and how to best approach it.

Just don't even think about the idea of a dollar crash, LOL.

Re: Anyone see any MiGs around?

"MiGs sold for $5"

Stay away, mine drinks fuel like you wouldn't believe!

manulife

Bill what do you make of Manulife dropping the dvd in half, was that the bell for the Canadian banks, seeing that RSI are all over 70

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

DrSchoon has another article on Goldman Sachs :
http://tinyurl.com/le9bmw

He is scathing,but rightly so in my opinion
Quote....
"The lofty intent of those who founded the US has today been effectively subverted.
Democracy no longer serves the role intended by America’s founding fathers. Today,democracy serves instead the special interests that control America through a highly compromised, manipulated and mis-named “democratic process”.

THE TWO-PARTY DANCE OF DISASTER
Instead of helping to solve society’s problems, the democratic process has been diverted by powerful and well-organized special interest groups. This diversion is accomplished by exploiting the conservative and liberal tendencies of the electorate, a diversion that enables special interests to maintain control no matter what party wins.
By exacerbating the natural tensions existing within society, special interests use politicians and the media to control the political dialogue, emphasizing issues that divide and inflame the electorate thereby diverting attention away from the destabilizing,dangerous and self-serving aims of special interests.
After every election, either conservatives or liberals will feel that victory has been achieved, their ideological opponents temporarily vanquished, their political ends accomplished; but nothing could be further from the truth as both conservatives and liberals have been duped in the process, a process best described as political pornography—as the aftermath is always somehow unfulfilling, no matter how exciting the initial attraction and foreplay.
In the end, very little gets solved, problems persist and proliferate, and the electorate becomes increasingly disillusioned—that is, until a new candidate is found by the special interests to again raise the hopes of both conservatives and liberals that this time it will be different.

Re: Currencies

Thank you for the comments Mackinaw. Here's another chart that very clearly shows the compounding of the Brz stocks on top of the sinking USD, for anyone who divested outside of USD:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_iV5yDiKxCdk/SntO7rH2yqI/...

Year-to-date:

SPX: +10.3%
EWZ: +71.9%

Sorry for repeating myself, hope everyone's eyes are open. I doubt financial advisors and HB&B told their clients to do this (then GS would not make the $100M in daily profits).

Like others, I am reducing my positions.

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Hits the nail on the head and I don't think it will change.... ever.

Re: And now for something completely diferent

Vadym excellent photo and i have never seen such a clean area and fantastic spot for a swimming pool... and where is this location again?
Fab Darling just Fab...
:)

Re: Some local photos

Les these are Excellent as well. I have never gotten a chance as of yet to get to the Alps... you make me want to go badly... when i was young i invented a company i used all the time in my play and later on in my teen years... I called it the Swiss Company and the slogan... "the Beautiful people" now those were the days of no worries...
:)

Re: Currencies

And just to muddy the waters a bit further, my holding of S&P 500 was the stellar equity index performer in the stable today, yielding me a positive return. :P

Not quite right: some EAFE small cap stuff (with a heavy Japanese weighting) did slightly better.

Re: THE OTHER HANK

Kaimu worried about you all with that huge hurricane coming... Cat 4 is nothing to sneeze at so keep a look out...

Re: Currencies

Mac - "my holding of S&P 500 was the stellar equity index performer in the stable today, yielding me a positive return."

That's odd, I thought the S&P lost altitude today....

tresaury bonds ?

In a brilliant piece of investigative reporting, Chris Martenson (original article here) has uncovered that the Fed, merely a week after issuing $28 billion in 7 year bonds (which Zero Hedge discussed previously) via its puppet, the US Treasury, of which $10 billion ended up being purchased by primary dealers, has turned and bought 47% of the primary allocated bonds in Open Market Purchases. This is undisputed monetization removed simply via one primary dealer and less than 5 days of temporal separation in order to leave no easy trace. As Martenson points out:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/feds-ust-pomo-pyr...

Re: tresaury bonds ?

http://contraryinvestor.com/mo.htm

As is pointed out in this month's Contrary Investor, foreign buying has not kept up with issuance. They don't need to sell to cause a big problem, just not buy more.

The question becomes, How long can the Fed keep the balls in the air?

Re: Currencies

Well it did, and it didn't ... :P

http://tinyurl.com/m3mnep

BAC's fine - 1 day's net income

Bank of America's fine worked out to 1 day's so-called "net income" (adding profits and losses reported by BAC over the last 4 quarters, divided by 250 biz days/yr).

Life is better for white-collar criminals than for blue-collared ones, THAT's for sure! A guy caught with a little marijuana or caught robbing a 7-11 is going to jail for many years, and Ken Lewis has to fork over 1 day's "profits" ...

Re: Goldman trading: honest or crooked?

Well Grym, you are entitled to be a wrong rodent if you choose.

I've been arrested for civil disobedience and got something accomplished by standing up to wrongs in the past so I'll just wish you well, even if you're wrong. Men question authority and stand up for what is right, they don't cuss at people or tell them to shove it, they DO SOMETHING. I've spent a long time here learning a lot about finance and I work my butt off so I have earned the right to speak my mind whenever and where ever I choose, to whoever I choose, including you. We can still do that in America. Sometimes you have to actually get off your sorry ass and DO SOMETHING. For me it was taking possession of a critical hillside at a nuke plant to get the damned state to stop screwing the ratepayers. I (and about 100 others) wore the cuffs after they begged us to come down (we were planning on staying a while) and they knew they would NEVER win their case or prosecute us so they dropped the charges and the WPPSS bond default became the largest in history at that time.
We stopped three nuke plants with 100 times cost overruns. I just had a baby daughter so I had a lot to lose, my career, my family, my home to name a few. So don't make sorry ass excuses and tell ME you can't get it done whiner. I helped stop a 3.4 BILLION DOLLAR ratepayer boondoggle. It took several years of hard work but if you DO SOMETHING besides whine on a blog you can accomplish a lot.

I think a lot of people lost what they have due to their own ignorance, lack of oversight and LAZINESS and I'm entitled to my opinion, like it or not. Whatever I've lost is my own fault I'm not going to be a whiner and blame it on someone else. There is always something that can be done if you don't lay down and take it like a mouse. Anger without action is just whining.
Sorry, I can't throw a brick to Ohio. How about getting off your duff and DOING SOMETHING??? Leaders ORGANIZE, whiners DO NOTHING and LIE DOWN like mice to be run over. I GUARANTEE they aren't reading your blog entries and they can't hear you squeaking from inside your house. If you DO SOMETHING like organize a march in the streets and announce it to the press they will hear and SEE you on TV and in the papers, otherwise it's squeak, squeak, squeak, little mickey. You might have to work at it for a while to be heard but you will be heard. They might actually pay more attention to a bunch of old geezers marching than they do youngsters, but you have to DO SOMETHING besides whine. That's what MEN do.

Re: And now for something completely diferent

Thank you. That's Vancouver Island area, just off Sidney... but don't tell anyone, we want no mainlanders coming in droves with their swimmin' pools :)

Re: And now for something completely diferent

Vad, just tell them how much rain you get and they'll stay home! That's a heck of a lot of pool maintenance for swimming perhaps from late May (if you're lucky) to late August. Unless it's indoors....

Re: Currencies

Oh I see, everything's relative I suppose. Now for some more beach music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjq1aTLjrOE&feature...

Re: And now for something completely diferent

Why, the rain here is 24/7/365... (Grin)

Re: BAC's fine - 1 day's net income

jock - Didn't the BAC/SEC fine come out of shareholders pockets as opposed to those who actually committed the crime?

Re: tresaury bonds ?

Grym - "The question becomes, How long can the Fed keep the balls in the air?"

They're going to have to do it for some time to come most likely. This will tend to push the $USD down and equities up(along with many other things), so where's the best place to park cash?

My pool...

Yeah, right. Built this one a few years ago. Sonoma, Ca.

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Re: My pool...

Good job Mark, I'm sure you were invited to their very first pool party!

Re: THE OTHER HANK

ALOHA !!

I would be also if this were New Orleans or the Bahamas, but with the mountains here and high pressure it keeps those types of storms diverted or low impact. Watch and see. It won't be CAT 4 if it even makes landfall here at all ...

Re: My pool...

CP- Not once, my friend. Did you catch FTWR's report today? I'm going to watch it PM for a trade either way. Same for HEK, reports Monday. It's been coming up nicely.

Re: BAC's fine - 1 day's net income

"Didn't the BAC/SEC fine come out of shareholders pockets?"

OF COURSE. You wouldn't expect Ken Lewis to pay out of his OWN pocket, would you? LOL. Still, it may reduce by a bit that bonus that'll be paid when the FEDs aren't looking!

Re: THE OTHER HANK

kaimu- It's got to be great for a few rides, no?

Grym & Craig

Let's cool it. I am edified to hear about both your approaches to righting the many wrongs. I been there, done that too. Protested in 80's. Written to unresponsive politicians. It all helps but we are where we are. Now!

Re: THE OTHER HANK

ALOHA !!

Yep, for all the South/Southeast facing beaches which is where I am. We'll go down and check it out. Too big and I don't have any fun! I'm not a young fool any more, I'm an old one! HA!!

Re: My pool...

Mark - Yes, I was watching FTWR today, it looked like a nice ride into good earnings and growth. Look at the volume, very impressive.

But I think AIG reports tomorrow and sell signals flashed across the entire board today.... Might slow FTWR down? Well probably not but I'm going to see where prices land us and if we get into a selling mood across the board I'm going to short something both barrels like I should have last year and early this year.

I felt like a new born kitten(eyes closed) compared to now but still know enough not to get too cocky. Lots of bears got their ass-hats handed to them last month going short because they thought the FED and HB&B couldn't pump the market..... Just print some money and see what happens.

I'll keep an eye peeled on FTWR but the lack of volume really had me anxious about finding a timely exit without getting trapped.

Re: THE OTHER HANK

kaimu - I think Mark could fix you up with a nice pool there on your mountain, your boar could use a gorgeous water trough as well.

Re: My pool...

CP- So we both will then. I got a little short today. TYP @ 15.85 and short SPY at the close. Still trying to squeeze back into TBT but can't seem to find the slot. Got some dinner money with a quick short of GRMN at the open, but that's it. You know I always post my trades when I make them, but I was very short on time today. Frankly, the easy trade was a quick UNG short after the report, but I can't baby sit them all day. GL tomorrow.

Re: Homeowners - Who's your (sugar coated poison) daddy?

Les, the problems of Taylor Bean aren't likely to be good because of the effect on CNB, but I hear there's good news rumors floating around for CNB. This might extend to GFG as well? Don't know but look at their charts, something might be up....?

Let us know if you discover something, GFG is big and might have an impact on the broad market, they've hemorrhaged money in Cali. mortgages. Fridays are typically bad days for these banks (potential FDIC closures).

disappointing equity drop/dollar spike

I thought we would see more action in the last couple of months. Nominal drop with short term indicators jerking south. We have a lot of buying on drops. Thinking about closing shorts tomorrow. TZA worked, but FAZ and SRS did not. May need to go long soon or short bonds. Any better ideas?

Tudor Investment Calls Stock Gain a Bear-Market Rally

from http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20603037&si...

This is the same Tudor who predicted 87 crash, right? I did not see the movie before it was pulled down from youtube.

This would agree with other people (notably Faber and Swanson) who predict a few more months of rally due to falling dollar.

Re: disappointing equity drop/dollar spike

Hey, JB- Don't think we've connected yet. In case you don't follow my posts (couldn't blame you) I'm a GC. Most of my clients are very wealthy and hold significant positions either for Co. or on boards. Their take, things are bottoming. This covers energy, tech, finance, wood/paper, big rig manf. No heath care, but that's not surprising, these people like to make money.

So why am I trying to get short? They also think things are over done. It's funny, when their stocks have a big day and I talk to them they laugh and say, "I wouldn't buy it here".

Let me know when you see a opening in short bonds. It has been one of my best trades this year, and am looking for an entry point. GL

FD: TYP, short SPY, long HEK.

BTW, I'd stay away from the financials (short) from what I'm hearing. This came from X+3B who said buy BAC @ 3.

Re: 2nd, rest assured the advance is near the end/ Taking a loss

DrDover- You know, I've been reading variations of your post for the past three weeks on other sites. And so far, they've been wrong.

I'm still waiting for capitulation on the part of the bear bloggers I follow. So it could be we churn for a long period of time. I think getting out was the right move. Whereas holding SRS another day would put you at risk for yet another sleepless night.

The mental work involved in taking a loss is difficult. No way around it. I would go so far as to say that we avoid taking losses quickly partly because we want to postpone the hard work it takes to deal with it.

So here's my advice (not that you necessarily need it, but someone else might).

(a) Don't ruminate on the loss. You may think you can't stop yourself from thinking about it. You can.
(b) Whatever your balance is now, that is your new starting point. And it's a valid starting point. Not a handicap. (If nothing else, your ending balance right now is the truth, and we would all agree that the truth is a good place to start.)
(c) Comparing your current balance with your balance last week is useless. It will drain the very energy you need to recover quickly. If you have to get into comparisons, why not think about all the other things that could have happened? At this very moment in time, every bad thing that has ever happened is happening to someone somewhere. Of the bad things that could happen, taking a loss in the stock market probably ranks in the lowest decile, if not lower. So you're ahead of 90% of people to whom something bad happened (today) to begin with. Cheer up.
(d) You know you're going to get over it at some point. Why not now? Why postpone it?

I have other thoughts I could pass on, but no time right now. Tomorrow's another day. Enjoy the evening- I wouldn't waste another second on the loss.

Re: My pool...

Nice job Mark, you build the house too?

If I ever win powerball, I know who to come and see for real estate investment in the states.

Re: 2nd, rest assured the advance is near the end/ Taking a loss

2nd - I think you got caught up in the chant from the crowd and lost your focus on following/reading the tape. The same thing happened back in October for a while.

You're a headstrong person in reality but very flexible up front, if you're going to keep trading, may I suggest you start reading the tape and listening more carefully to what the data are telling you?

Keep the positions smallish and add to them when they're going your way(one thing I have yet to "master")?

Not investment advice, DYODD

Re: disappointing equity drop/dollar spike

Thanks for a reply. I'm not sure I know who GC is (Edit: I looked at your pool pictures and got it), but I remember your posts circa march 09 bullish on banks, etc. At that time I was long FAS but got in too early and got out too early. Long story.

I meant disappointing equity drop/dollar spike in the last 2 days and not 2 months. Staying short for 2 months would be a suicide on this market. I did try to short back in June when H&S showed up, but was stopped out in July with a significant loss.

The fed turned deflation into inflation and there is no coming back unless oil gets out of hand and kills economy again. So, I totally agree with you. This is why I'm shorting with a trepidation now, and think that tomorrow could be easily a turning point. I will adjust my stops in AM.

Re: Homeowners - Who's your (sugar coated poison) daddy?

Hi CP, GFG doesn't look so interesting. An initial opening thrust that faded. Resistance at the 50dma was respected.

CNB is worth a watch, as long as financials remain flavour of the day. It's got resistance issues as well, so unless we're about to power through to new highs I'd be looking to take whatever profit on CNB may make today and expect it to fade with friday arvo profit taking.

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=CNB&p=D&yr=0&mn=4...

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=GFG&p=D&yr=0&mn=4...

5 min. charts:

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=CNB&p=5&yr=0&mn=0...

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=GFG&p=5&yr=0&mn=0...

DYODD etc etc.

Re: disappointing equity drop/dollar spike

RE:>BTW, I'd stay away from the financials (short) from what I'm hearing. This came from X+3B who said buy BAC @ 3.

Sorry Mark, that's not super clear for me. He's comfortable shorting, or he continues to stay away from the shorts?

bad rep on leveraged ETF, deserved?

I looked at TNA and FAS performance 3/8/09-5/8/09 and we are looking at +200% and +400% respectively. Sounds like they worked flawlessly if one got at the bottom and got out at the top (I did not). Even paired TNA+TZA or FAS+FAZ would bring good profit. I question the common wisdom that holding longer than a day is a no-no. Now, I would nor hold it ever changing or range markets or longer than a couple of months though.

Re: My pool...

Hey, Les- Yes, I built the house also. Frankly, I'm more interested in coming over to your side of the pond. Danm, it sure is beautiful....but for some reason it seems like it is very cold there?? I'm a beach baby, so I've got to be careful!

We have friends that come over from Sweden every year that stay for their MONTH LONG vacation every year. Perhaps you could hitch a ride.

Re: disappointing equity drop/dollar spike

Les- Sorry, I guess that was not clear. He would NOT short any of the big financials here. Trust me, he knows the game and understands the players and is NOT happy about it, but for the short term it is what it is. He has no position at all right now in financials.

BTW- How come your English seems better than mine?...and the Girls in Europe must have lots of coin!

Re: disappointing equity drop/dollar spike

JB- Take a look at my comments re-oil...It still might get out of hand. GS put out a note today saying crude might hit 150 next year. Well, they own the trading floor, so what's to stop it? I won't bother you with all of the NatG. stuff...I'll go yell at my wife about it instead. She's used to it.

Let me know if you find at jump in point you like for shorting bonds. My last exit was about 53 and I'm kicking myself (like to do that ) for not getting back in below 50 a few days ago. GL.

Is this bear market rally coming to an end?

The NASDAQ is starting to look bearish, don't you think? RSI 7 has broken down from the Distribution Zone, and the MACD is about to make a bearish crossover.

For this market to continue higher now, not only would the S&P have to stay above 1000, but the NASDAQ should probably have to cross 2000 as well. It doesn't look to me as if that's about to happen. Just a thought.

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$COMPQ

Send bank execs to work in China

If they don't get it right over there, they are subject to the following.

http://www.sacbee.com/830/story/2090449.html

Re: disappointing equity drop/dollar spike

BTW- How come your English seems better than mine?

Misspent youth. Reading when I should have been doing homework in high school. Tis why I am a literature bum with no skills and job prospects at present time.

...and the Girls in Europe must have lots of coin!

?? Why, you want me to set you up with someone? ;)

Vad - some clarification on your HIG trade please.

[09:28] {Threei} HIG Completes Discretionary Equity Issuance Plan, raising size to $900M from $750M (16.50, 0.00, 0.00%)
[09:29] {nemo} bac moving
[09:29] {Threei} HIG too
[09:30] {jfjf64} hig wow
[09:31] {Threei} Long Setup: HIG .50 break
[09:31] {Threei} if stays above .35
[09:31] {Threei} not a scalp for me
[09:32] {ese} in
[09:32] {jfjf64} in .52
[09:33] {Threei} half out .84
[09:33] {JohnK} great trade HIG thx T :)
[09:33] {Threei} 1/4 more out 18.03

Where did you get this info from Vad? Neither Market Currents:

http://seekingalpha.com/news/market_currents/2009/...

or Wall St Breakfast:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/154229-wall-street...

has this info. Did you only receive this info at 9.28am? HIG's price had not moved until you shared that info, so I assume it had just been released. Was the release of that info the basis of your decision to trade HIG, following AIG's enormous success the previous session?

Could you comment on the arcane commentary pertaining to your trade please? Long .50 break if it stays above .35? TIA

Re: My pool...

MarkW - I've been in Paris off and on for the past few weeks. Let me tell you, its not cold. Flip flops every day, shorts, and more sun than you could rationally want.

It's raining today, but it will average 78 degrees all this next week.

Re: My pool...

Raining in Paris today? Ah, that means Switzerland tomorrow.

Re: My pool...

Well that's the rumor. I'm in Chartres today visiting a friend, but back to Paris on the afternoon train. It rained here earlier this morning. Trains in France are awesome. Such a comfortable way to travel. In the US we are so missing out. Buy a ticket, board 5 minutes later, relax for an hour, and walk off the train on the other side at the city center. Air travel just sucks by comparison.

I haven't been trading quite so much lately - I was mostly incommunicado Rome for 5 days. In Paris I can, but there are so many distractions. :)

I have this urge to short oil. If Bill is right about the buck, oil will have hit its lower high at around 72, and it should be good for a quick 5-10 point move down if the buck rallies. Since it seems to be heavily leveraged to the buck, its moves are pretty dramatic by comparison.

short or long?

Cramer was pumping citibank yesterday. Do you think that is a pretty good indicator of major fleecing today? (it is up pre market to 3.92)

vb

Thursday August 6.

Citigroup (C)

Why would investors want to buy stock of a bank that represents national economic woes, and of which 34% is owned by taxpayers? Cramer thinks Citigroup is not just a buy for the individual investor, but is a buy for America. However, the reasons go beyond patriotism and may involve huge profits. Cramer gave 5 reasons to buy this underdog bank:

Re: Vad - some clarification on your HIG trade please.

Les,

1. That news item crossed the wire real time. Here is full text:
Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:28:12 AM
The Hartford Financial Services Group Inc Completes discretionary equity issuance, notes it raised $900M, up from $750M anticipated prior
- The company sold 56,108,703 shares of common stock under the plan at an average price of $16.03, for total gross proceeds of $900M. The Hartford intends to use the net proceeds from the program for general corporate purposes, including the possible repurchase of outstanding debt.

2. HIG gapped up long before this crossed the wire. I don't know whether this particular news served as a factor to a further move or not.

3. Trading decision didn't have much to do with news. It was typical Open Break setup - something I play for many years. Key to looking at HIG in a first place is this comment:
[09:21] {Threei} so... what's our next AIG?
[09:23] {Threei} this kind of moves rarely happens in vacuum... traders start looking, and usually find, the next name to run in a similar fashion

4. There is nothing arcane in it, really, it's just a complete structure of the play manifested in two price levels :) It simply means:
- break of 17.50 is a long trigger,
- 17.35 is support to place a stop under.
- If 17.35 is broken before 17.50 is, a trade is invalidated.
- This gives us 15 cents initial risk which leads to exit criteria:
- if we are scalping, 1:1 risk/reward ratio will be reached around 17.65-17.70
- I alerted that this trade is capable of more than scalp, so we held or partialed out, for the eventual exit above 18 which is 1:3... not bad for 3 minutes work...

You can see how those two numbers define whole trade, with entry, risk management, exits - right out of the textbook :)

Re: tresaury bonds ?

CP,

I just moved a large chunk from the two Vanguard funs I mentioned which were junk bonds and a mix of bonds and equities and am parked in the Vanguard GNMA fund (VFIIX) which is paying a bit over 4% and is pretty close to a flat-line chart. I have been keeping my "undecided" money here most of this year.

The article in Contrary Investor and the one by Tyler Durden, The Fed's UST-POMO Pyramid Scheme Exposed have made me very cautious about the way they may be increasing the money velocity under the table and threatening my Treasuries fund.

Most of my mutual fund trading is in my tax deferred retirement account and only costs $30 per trade as opposed to the annual fee I was paying there and still have in my "real money" account we use for living expenses.

I am one quarter Scot after all :-)

The dollar destruction is terrible and why we lean to gold!

Re: Grym & Craig

Illini,

Yeah, you're right. I just have too many friends who have worked hard all their lives who are now being badly hurt and it gets my back up to hear them called "retards" for their misfortune. One of my sons (age 44) has lost three jobs, has a house he can't sell (with a 20% downpayment) and could only get part time work for over two years and has gone through his savings.

But I'll drop it here.

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