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Cara's Commentary & Community Chat, Thursday, Oct. 22, 2009

[8:15am ET] Somebody has written in the past that this blog seems to be a reverse indicator, like the Time Magazine cover. I disagree, and will even go so far as to say that, right or wrong, the participants are learning to focus the discussion at important points in the market. I offer yesterday’s discourse as an example.

Early this morning, mainstream media directed their audience to believe that “Ericsson’s results send European shares lower”. Possibly a little lower, yes, but in the main we know better.

Discussing the who, what, why, where, when, how, etc, is called intellectual curiosity and it helps us understand the past, deal with the present and plan for the future. This is the path to self improvement, and eventually to financial freedom.

Its why, I hope, you are here.


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Steve L

Thinks that the FED Thinks a certain thought! How prescient and How accurate.
Funny!

Jobless Claims

Released on 10/22/2009 8:30:00 AM For wk10/17, 2009
New Claims

Prior 514 K

Consensus 519 K

Consensus Range 510 K to 525 K

Actual 531 K

Highlights
Initial jobless claims edged higher in the Oct. 17 week, up 11,000 to a higher-than-expected level of 531,000 (prior week revised higher from 514,000). But the four-week average continues to move lower, down for the seventh week in a row to 532,250 for a decrease of about 20,000 from month-ago levels, a decrease that points to improvement for the October employment report.

Continuing claims, down 98,000 in data for the Oct. 10 week to 5.923 million, are roughly 100,000 below month-ago levels. But the indication from this reading is difficult to assess, reflecting an uncertain combination of new hiring together with the expiration of benefits. Those receiving extended benefits fell more than 16,000 to nearly 465,000 while those receiving emergency compensation rose nearly 41,000 to 3.391 million (data for these readings is for the Oct. 3 week).

There was very little initial reaction to today's results though commodities and stocks did tick lower. Next reading on the jobs market will be Tuesday's consumer confidence report from the Conference Board which includes assessments of current conditions in the labor market along with consumer assessments of future conditions.

Market Consensus Before Announcement
Initial jobless claims fell 10,000 in the October 10 week to 514,000. Continuing claims also fell, down 75,000 to a sub-6 million level at 5.992 million in data for the September 26 week.

The number of newly laid-off workers filing claims for jobless benefits rose more than expected last week, after falling in five of the past six weeks.

There is little sign that employers are willing to hire, even as the economy shows signs of recovering.

The Labor Department says new jobless claims rose to a seasonally adjusted 531,000 last week, from an upwardly revised 520,000 the previous week.

Wall Street economists had expected only a slight increase, according to Thomson Reuters.

The number of people continuing to claim benefits dropped for the fifth straight week to 5.9 million, from just over 6 million the previous week.

Finding my way

Aloha
Found this post from Dec 2008 helped me to see myself move from an intentional trade to an emotional one. Qid yesterday. Up early Hawaii time to find a stedy hand/mindset.
Bill this blog really is a wonder to behold yesterday I learned so much from everyone's end of day post. Mahalo

http://traderfeed.blogspot.com/2008/12/trading-wit...

Cara 100 Ratings Changes

Good morning from Pennsylvania, home of the 2009 National League Champion Philadelphia Phillies.

POT - Credit Suisse Initiates Coverage with a Neutral.

SAP - Downgraded to Neutral @ BOA/Merrill Lynch

Re: Finding my way/ Bloody Mary?

jl- This time of day I guess that would be the cocktail.

I have ERY/FAZ/FXP/SRS/SSG/TZA/TYP sitting next to the blender, but I'm trying to cut down.

For Entertainment Purposes Only!

Re: Cara 100 Ratings Changes

BH- Actually, it's home of the only musician I know with a 39% YTD return on his portfolio.

Re: Cara 100 Ratings Changes

2nd,

You're too kind.

I attribute about 80% of this years gains to using the resources on this site, Bill's Commentary, the Community Chat, the Cara 100 and the RSI Tool.

The other 20% is patience.

Regards,
BH

Just turned on CNBC

to see what the talking heads are talking about now that they're aware the market is beginning to drop. Next guest...Lazslo Birinyi. Now I know why I stopped watching this channel.

Dollar Down, S&P Down

NYU - You're the expert now. People seeing the dollar up today are probably expecting this drop. What do you say...the dollar drops today and the S&P goes down?

Leading Indicators

Leading Indicators
Released on 10/22/2009 10:00:00 AM For September, 2009
Leading Indicators

Prior 0.6 %
Consensus 0.9 %
Consensus Range 0.3 % to 1.0 %
Actual 1.0 %

Highlights
The index of leading economic indicators jumped 1.0 percent in September for the sixth gain in a row in what the report says is consistent with developing recovery. The largest contributor in September was the rate spread between the federal funds rate, which is very low, and the 10-year Treasury note which actually dipped a little in the month. Though the spread contributed a little less in September than it did in August, it's still signaling economic strength -- that is demand for long-term debt. The second biggest contributor was consumer expectations, which may or may not continue to contribute to strength given weakness in the mid-month Reuters/University of Michigan consumer sentiment report. Improvement in jobless claims, stock prices, and a little less responsiveness for supplier deliveries were also positives. On the negative side was a decrease in the manufacturing workweek and a dip in building permits. The coincident index, which will be used to formally judge when the recovery took hold, was unchanged in September. This index first showed an increase in July then in August, both at 0.1 percent gains.

Market Consensus Before Announcement
The Conference Board's index of leading indicators has risen for five consecutive months, including a 0.6 percent gain in August. The recession is almost certainly over but there is still debate over which month was the end. The coincident index was unchanged in August after a 0.1 percent rise in July. The National Bureau of Economic Research (which officially dates the peaks and troughs of U.S. business cycles) heavily relies on the coincident index to peg recessions.

shorted MMM

Trying the "fade the good news earnings" short @ 77.75.

I have my eye on MCD as well.

Miners selling off

...

FHFA House Price Index

Released on 10/22/2009 10:00:00 AM For Aug, 2009
Prior
M/M change 0.3 %
Y/Y change -4.2

Actual
M/M change -0.3 %
Y/Y change -3.6 %

Highlights
U.S. home prices fell 0.3 percent in August on a seasonally adjusted basis, according to the Federal Housing Finance Agency's monthly House Price Index. The previously reported 0.3 percent increase in July was unrevised. On a year-on-year basis, the House Price Index fell 3.6 percent in August, compared to down 4.2 percent in July. The U.S. index is 10.7 percent below its April 2007 peak.

The FHFA monthly index is calculated using purchase prices of houses backing mortgages that have been sold to or guaranteed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. For the nine Census Divisions, seasonally-adjusted monthly price changes from July to August ranged from down 1.6 percent in the South Atlantic Central Division to up 1.2 percent in the Pacific Division.

The moderate cost segment of the housing market is still under mild downward pressure on prices, likely due to continued high foreclosure rates and tight credit. We will get a broader picture on house prices next week with the Case-Shiller home price index.

Re: Just turned on CNBC

It's been a long time since I watched CNBC. Though it is obvious to many, it bears repeating that you get much more direct and honest information from Bill and the many excellent contributors to the comments section than you will ever find on CNBC.

While it has many warts, the great thing about the internet is that it allows intelligent people to get to the facts and share knowledge in a way that was virtually impossible before.

CNBC exists (at least in large part) as a vehicle for those who used to exclusively control the flow of information (namely Wall Street) to keep those of us in the public off-stride and distracted. But they are losing influence rapidly - mainly because there are alternatives such as this forum.

CAT

Bill,

I have been watching the contra move upward for weeks and wonder if you or others here can suggest a solid shorting strategy that can be put in place before the seemingly inevitable price collapse? Thanks!

Kangaroo tail reversals

VXX buy limit 43
FXP 8.17
DUG 11.82
EEV 11.90

Do your own homework.

Big put buyers

according to http://www.goldalert.com/gold_price_blog.php there were large put purchases on the SPY and IWM at the open:

"SPY March 70 puts, bought 14,000 and SPY March 90 puts bought 2,500; IWM customer bought 10,000 Nov 59 puts at 1.51"

Re: Finding my way/ Bloody Mary?

Aloha,
Sold at 22.18 QID(olives) ,maybe celery for brunch.
Again with QID could have made 50% more if I had bought instead of waiting yesterday before the move.

Listened to ' Tax Credit ' discussion with buyers who said

it actually led to a " bidding war " with others who also qualified.... So, does this mean the buyer has $ 8,000.00 ' to play with ' at Tax Payers expense ?

Re: Kangaroo tail reversals

bsi - why do you use the dug as opposed to the sco? is there an advantage? more beta? exposure to oil & gas? I'm interested in your thoughts

Re: Just turned on CNBC

Amen...

Re: CAT

Elder suggests looking for a kangaroo tail reversal at tops and setting a sell short stop halfway up the tail.

http://tiny.cc/WIKRR

Re: Kangaroo tail reversals

SCO didn't show a strong reversal off the lows like DUG did.

closed out AIG short

I closed out my AIG short (long dated naked AIG calls) this morning. It was a fun ride, but I'm getting off now. Perhaps I'll try again after a bounce.

Re: CAT

Caterpillar Picks Oberhelman as Next CEO - NYTimes.com http://bit.ly/2oFEnn

Re: Finding my way/ Bloody Mary?

"Again with QID could have made 50% more if I had bought instead of waiting yesterday before the move."

Yeah, and I could have made a lot more by waiting to sell this morning. But would that have been the smart move?

You did the right thing, waiting for the market to reveal itself before jumping in yesterday.

Someone posted a quote recently about professionals taking the easy trades, and leaving challenges for the amateurs.

Re: Kangaroo tail reversals

interesting - looking at it now, it is up much more than the sco with oil down a little and gas actually up. These things are kookoo

My new favorite PE equity..... drum roll, please.......

JCG at 60 x.... can we get to 70 x ??

Re: My new favorite PE equity..... drum roll, please.......

60 to 70? I wouldn't go that far. Estimates are for $1.54 next year and they are guiding higher. Still, it looks a little pricey to me. I think CAT is more ridiculous though.

Surprise, surprise- back above 10000

Don't mess with Ben? Tim? Barack? Maybe it's just Hank.

Re: Dollar Down, S&P Down

I am def not expert. Just looking at past charts and time frames for clues.

Hm why is Dow up with nasdaq down?

changes

EFU buy limit 38.30 GTC
DUG buy limit 11.82
VXX buy limit 43
PCS buy limit 5 GTC

do ur own homework

Re: My new favorite PE equity..... drum roll, please.......

Good morning ( eastern ) Team,
How was the vacation ? Yeah, just messing with JCG ! It does amaze me, however, that the high-end spending is steady... Do you still have Apple ? Good choice on your part... anyway, good trades ..... Baz

Re: Surprise, surprise- back above 10000/ Jim Nabors?

Surprise, surprise, surprise! It may as well be Gomer Pyle running the show at this point.

U.S. FCC staff recommends open Internet

U.S. FCC staff recommends open Internet rule http://bit.ly/GV6bY

* Draft rule would allow for 'reasonable' net management

* Public comments accepted until Jan. 14

* Replies due March 5 (Adds background, details)
- Staff at the U.S. Federal Communications Commission on Thursday recommended establishing an open Internet rule aimed at restricting network operators from favoring some content over others along landlines and wireless platforms.

The full FCC slate of three Democrats, led by Chairman Julius Genachowski, and two Republicans are expected later to decide whether to propose a so-called network neutrality rule.

Even after a flurry of lobbying in the last several weeks by opponents like AT&T Inc (T.N) and Verizon Communications Inc (VZ.N), the commission is expected to approve the issuance of the proposed rule and accept public comments until Jan. 14.

The draft rule would allow for "reasonable" network management by broadband providers to unclog congestion, clear viruses and spam, and block unlawful content like child pornography and the transfer of content infringing on copyright.

Re: Surprise, surprise- back above 10000/ Jim Nabors?

If I'm comparing it to my scenario I laid out last night...so far, so good.

Short Candidate but mkt. doesn't think so.

I'm not short but looking to be.
(LAMR) Lamar Adv.
It's a debt issue. Debt to equity 3.38x.
$2B worth of debt. Twice as much as 06. Equity is basically 1/2 of same period. Sales have to return to 06/07 as do record profit margins
for bottom line to breakeven. No P/E give no E.
Just my two cents.

Bank Accounting Fraud and the American Peasants...

Interesting commentary by Max Keiser on bailouts and fraud...

"The American peasants have got to be the stupidest people in the World today. They don’t mind becoming peasants, they don’t mind living like peasants and, if that’s the case, then we should do nothing to stop them from sliding into a peasant class."

http://www.themarketguardian.com/

PCS

Two days ago I recommended this because the RSI7 dropped below 10 and at the same time Goldman Sachs downgraded it. It is now up almost 10% and I sold covered calls on half my position (Nov 7.5) and expect it to test the
7.58 level. At that point I will sell the remaining half. I think it will eventually retest the low of 6.47 again where I will think about reloading.

Back in the airlines

I have bought back some small positions in airlines today after abandoning the trade a few weeks back.

Went long UAUA @ 6.8, AMR @ 6.6, and CAL @ 13.25. I think alot of the froth has been shaken off this sector as they have been in a general downtrend for a few weeks. The big selloffs of the last two days were enough to get me back in the water.

Staying cautious of the general trend and ready bail if we see a continuation of weakness. I think we may see another high in S&P tough - I've calculated the 50% retrace move of S&P at 1111 which I think is a psychological target.

gold here...

hate to say this gang but heres my stance:

i am 3/4 out of my entire gold position.

if we suddenly rocket back above $1068 ill have to jump back in but my anticipation is a dump in gold, and teh miners in particular to get the smack down.

all the talk about the resurgence of JR's is simply a more elaborate and collective effort on the part of the crooks to get you to believe that now, after years of falling they will return. if a jr. cant get financing or make money at $1050 gold they likley never will until $2000 gold.

good luck, ill be buying again in the low $1000's should we fall that far.

Bank Accounting Fraud and the American Peasants...

Here's a direct link to the YouTube video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFMgwL-Tq4s&feature...

Re: gold here...

Lacking significant 'event' protection in your strategy, Dr.?

VXX

added to position at 43.

T-Bill Interest Rate at 0.045%

heading lower and lower. Traders are searching the safe haven.

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3 PM

should be interesting but we'll see...

SPY Puts

Added a few more $109 November puts at $2.71. I'm watching GS deteriorate.

gold

Money sloshes, gold stays up. JMO Oil too. Gold does well in inflation, deflation. Some see former then latter, some say straight to latter. Appreciate your posts Dr.C

GS

I think the bulls are defending GS because everyone and their niece is watching that as a guide for the market.

Thoughts

Bought puts on index etfs. 2010 expiry.
Also flirting with idea of selling calls on aapl or other good co's I wouldn't mind owning on a near term unlikely breakout.

If my grandma were still alive I would be liquidating all her long positions into cash/equivalent to protect her. My personal opinion these prices are a gift again today.

The unemplyment trend has become the amputated arm that we dont think twice about. Max complacency.

Glad to be leaving akamai conf in 2 hr for home. Let's hope I can close some business with the connections I made.

The conf attendance was sold out like last yr. Which is good. But every conversation I have had, I heard "help me do more with less"

Diabetes will ( is ) become a national epidemic in the

near future,,, If one is willing to buy and hold ( heaven forbid ! ), there are some low priced entries with recent, interesting developments... a little DD might go a long way...

Fed to Step Up Reviews of Compensation at Banks

Firms like Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and Morgan Stanley received tens of billions of dollars in loans and loan guarantees from the government but because they have returned the loans, they are no longer under any pay restrictions. With the financial markets and their profits recovering after the huge government assistance program last year, the three are expected to make huge payouts this year even as unemployment continues to rise.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/business/23pay.h...

Vad- This is turning into one "evilishly looking" day, man

They even cajoled a few bears of the closets this morning. Maybe this is the "triple-dark" version.

EFU

long at 38.30

Re: Thoughts

NYU. What are your thoughts on AKAM? Do you have good knowledge of the company? Current stock price? Potential takeover candidate. I bought a little a week ago.

jl- Trying the midday martini again>>FAZ/SRS/TZA/TYP

19.04/9.56/11.43/11.25

Re: jl- Trying the midday martini again>>FAZ/SRS/TZA/TYP

Maybe sale price at 21.45 on olives wow the buying

out of FAZ at $20.02, in FAZ at $19.03

The sell stop limit order I placed last night was also triggered at $20.02 this morning for the shares I purchased on Tuesday at $19.05.

A little while ago I noticed that FAZ seems to have stopped its precipitous decline, so I just got back in at $19.03. Medium-small position, not like the SRS position yesterday. :)

Re: Vad- This is turning into one "evilishly looking" day, man

Quite amazing. Darkness Unlimited.

Remember I said yesterday it won't be easy for bears? Well, we haven't made new highs and it still can turn just one of "won't be that easy" spikes - gut-wrenching, nerve-wracking and puke-inducing. My working assumption is just that: market makes sure it scares the living daylight out of those who piles up on a short side so it can proceed down with as few passengers on board as possible. Event challenging that assumption would be making a new high in a slow steady fashion - if that happens I'll retreat to my cave to search for bull mask I just put in the closet for the winter.

Aftermarket earnings today

Does anyone see any positive surprises here? It would be an interesting project for this group to try to scalp some jing by getting into these companies a week ahead if we can get an edge.

AMZN, AXP, BJRI, BRCM, BUCY, BNI, CA, COF, CAKE, CMG, CB, CYN, DECK, ELB, GDI, HITT, HOKU, IBKR, JNPR, WFR, MCHP, NFLX, NTGR, PMCS, RVBD, STMP, SYNA, SPWRA, WOFF, WDC

BRCM, SPWRA, IBKR, AMZN JNPR WFR look interesting to me. No position, but if I were guessing, I'd say these could all surprise to the upside.

Re: Vad- This is turning into one "evilishly looking" day, man

It sure is huh? I just bought a couple more SPY $109 Puts at $2.2

TOG

I got into TBT yesterday at $45.92 and am holding signicant PM and Materials via PME.TO

Re: GS

Almost every body is keeping a close eye on GS for direction to see where the market will go from this point. It's the only market indicator left these days to give you a certain indication on where things are going from here. Forget housing numbers; forget employment numbers; forget fraud and accusations; forget politicians and their lies, forget the FEDS…, etc. Just keep a close eye on GS and how their stock is doing and trade the whole market accordingly, long or short. This is my conclusion, any one disagree???

Re: jl- Trying the midday martini again>>FAZ/SRS/TZA/TYP

Yes- they can't wait to unload the olives they bought from you this morning at 22.18. Nicely done.

Re: Big put buyers

The person who bought those IWM puts lost $0.5M by now, the person who sold them, pocketed $0.5M.

With the SPY Mar 70s, the loss was only $70k, and with the 90s the loss was $62k.

How sweet it is to sell options...

Thought I spotted Gomer in the GS sound room turning knobs and

singing 'My Way.'

Re: Vad- This is turning into one "evilishly looking" day, man

"Event challenging that assumption would be making a new high in a slow steady fashion - if that happens I'll retreat to my cave to search for bull mask I just put in the closet for the winter."

Aha- so opinionless trading does not necessarily mean one has no opinions on market direction. (Just joshing.)

jl- Unbelievable- You may actually get your 21.4x bid on QID

...

Re: jl- Unbelievable- You may actually get your 21.4x bid on QID

At that point will they still be a deal,maybe

Re: Vad- This is turning into one "evilishly looking" day, man

I wouldn't be surprised to see new market highs in a couple of days just to try to wipe out people like me that have turned bearish in the past day or two. I believe this will be a nice bull trap, though.

Re: Thoughts

Unfortunately nothing that isn't public info already.

They are leader in their space. The white house and other govt websites use them for defending against dotbot and various cyber attacks.

Their industry is under intense pricing pressure.

I say, all you need to know is in the charts.

XHB +5.14%

I think the strategy of HB&B is to find the areas most heavily shorted and then cause those short covering rallies we all know and love. On a day when SPX is up +1%, homebuilders up 5%. with select issues up more than 9%.

Looked at QLD

at 53.00 but I can't hardly breath yet in one direction with this kind of movement. Not ready for that and didn't see this strength coming, it's into an hour plus . wow

FAZ off at $18.59

The steady rise in the market throughout the day so far makes me feel that it will keep going up until the end of the day, so I might buy FAZ at a better price right before the close...

Edit: I just noticed that Dow is at 10100 now, so maybe playing FAZ now is not such a good idea. Why try to catch the top? When Dow drops below 10000, that will make a much "toppy" chart pattern that is much more conducive to opening shorts.

Speculative Trade

Just took a little MSFT off the table and replaced with BRCM

bought some UXG at $2.99

If the market is indeed going higher, then gold shares, which are lagging the market so far, should have a nice bounce. So I just bought a little more UXG at $2.99.

GDX not rallying with equities

gold stocks have acted rather sluggish the past week and a half. I think it's just consolidating the recent gains, but they could suffer more if the equity markets start going down again.

Re: FAZ off at $18.59

David- Your position size was too big.

Back into FAZ at $18.66

The Dow was rejected from 10100, so maybe today was not the start of a move to new highs but just a test of the bear's resolve. I will take off FAZ tomorrow, though, if Dow will be above 10100 by the time I wake up.

Re: FAZ off at $18.59

"David- Your position size was too big."

I guess so. Previously, I was scaling into SRS on the way down in cash amounts of 1/5 of my FAZ position size. But then, with a larger position size I can practice jumping in and out (since there is some real money to be gained even on small moves), but on smaller position sizes decent gains can only accumulate over a multi-day move.

Indices close up and retrace yest move

Yet aapl closes flat. and their earnings were the most tech-tacular thus far.

I am keeping an eye on global currencies, banks, gold and options activity.

Earnings

AMZN aced it, BRCM not so much

Re: Earnings

guessed wrong, my bad

The Plan continued - FED landlord of Crossroads mall

Your not yet collected tax dollars at work:

The Fed finds itself in the unusual situation of being an Oklahoma City landlord after it lent JPMorgan Chase $29 billion to buy Bear Stearns last year," according to Reuters. "The Fed now owns the Crossroads Mall, a sprawling shopping complex at the junction of Interstate highways 244 and 35, complete with an oil well pumping crude in the parking lot -- except the Fed does not own the mineral rights."
...
"Noah Diggs, who had just successfully concluded a search for work here as a shop assistant, was surprised and somewhat alarmed to learn the U.S. central bank now owned the property.
"That is a bad thing, right?" he said, surveying the empty parking lot on a rainy morning in early October."
No, no, the Federal Reserve has long been considering actively expanding into commercial retail real estate property management. Just part of the plan. (quote from Minyanville)

source article
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE59K0142009102...

SPX & USD

Today's move in SPX pretty closely correlates with the move in the dollar, if you look at the 5 minute chart for both of them.

The big mover on my board was XHB, which at one point was up +5%, on no news that I could find, so I'm going to call it a massive short covering rally. Tomorrow we have existing home sales, which since we're going into the fall selling season without the home buyer incentive may provide some excitement. Mortgage aps also dropped recently, which may be giving us a clue to where home sales will be.

I reloaded some of my XHB during the move up today. We will see if that was a wise move tomorrow.

Good Earnings

+ COF had big earnings, although charge offs and delinquencies continue to rise.
+ AXP had good earnings, but nothing great. They also had rising charge offs/delinquencies.
+ AMZN had very good earnings. I wonder who is paying 45 times to 50 times 2010 earnings estimates, but so be it. I think their earnings are proof that a big movement to online sales is continuing.
+ BRCM had rough earnings.

Looks like the market should be up tomorrow if it focuses on earnings. If it focuses on continued credit problems with the lenders, then may it won't. Being short could be frustrating tomorrow.

Re: Fed to Step Up Reviews of Compensation at Banks

ALOHA !!

The US Treasury only acknowledges receipt of $86BIL USD in TARP repayment and still TARP funds are being dispensed every other day, although not at the $BIL rates of before, only $100M rates!

In terms of repayments if you divide that $86BIL by five that's $17.2BIL per company.

Why five? Here:

- Goldman Sachs
- JP Morgan
- Bank America
- Wells Fargo
- Citibank

Somehow $86BIL USD does not cover all the TARP funds paid directly to these banks according to the US Treasury Daily Statements that is. Who do we believe Bloomberg reporting it or the US Treasury. Hummmmmm??

Now lets consider the backdoor guarantees.

JP Morgan got $138BIL to take over Bear Stearns and make derivatives bets solvent. Goldman Sachs got paid $50BIL through the AIG backdoor to guarantee derivatives.

So what is the difference between an outright direct loan of TARP monies and a government backed guarantee through the backdoor of Bear Stearns and AIG and Merrill? I would say there is no difference since without the guarantees JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs would be out of business and not making those supposed record profits. How hard is it to profit when you get the US government to guarantee your solvency as your competitors file BK?

If I did not know better I would swear it was all PLANNED CHAOS(aka: Mises)!

ELIMINATE THE US FED ...

AH action

looks like AXP is going down, which is not surprising given that they barely beat and delinquencies are still high. I'm trying to find out why COF beat on the bottom line by so much given they are also experiencing rising delinquencies and charge-offs. I have a feeling they had some one time benefits impact their bottom line...anyone know?

picked up a little more FAZ after hours at $18.42

Placed a sell limit order for these shares at $18.92. If instead of hitting my sell limit order FAZ goes down tomorrow (and Dow breaks above 10100 and S&P breaks above 1100), I'll take off all my FAZ and will wait for a better entry.

POLICE BANK

Yahoo finance page title:

Fed outlines plan to Police Bank

I feel sick to my stomach !!!! HELLO?? ANYONE HOME ?? SO NOW THE FED IS THE POLICE- NEXT THE POLICE STATE IS OUR GOV

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fed-outlines-plan-to...

Re: SPX & USD

I read somewhere that there is a lot of speculation that Congress is going to pass a $15,0000 credit for homebuyers. NAR and NAHB lobbies are in full press.

Beware that existing home sales could turn out to be a lot stronger than usual as people were in a frenzy to buy a home to be able to close before the tax credit expired. Maybe the market will see through the number, but most likely not; they will say housing is rebounding strong (we all know how Cash for Clunkers ended). More info at
"Mini Boom in Existing Home Market"
http://tinyurl.com/yk3b34e

Best of luck.

First time posters

I encourage the greater number of posters here. All the opinions and eyes and ears we can aggregate here the better. But if I am busy and don't have the time to review the blog, your posts may be held up waiting for my approval. Once the system recognizes you as legit, your posts are automatic. A large number of spammers caused me to take this action. About a year ago, until we went to our own programmable blog platform, we had to rely on industry standard screens and, believe me, even I was stopped from publishing on my own blog. There are no end to the games people (who don't like you) will play. But, I assure you that everybody who comes here with good intentions (see the blog rules) is welcomed and encouraged to contribute. Most people are shy, but there is no need to be. None of us has all the answers. You simply cannot go wrong if you are serious about wanting to join a discourse here. We want to hear from you.

Re: SPX & USD

I have no doubt that the housing credit will live on after the intended expiration at end of nov.

And I am 100% going to try to sell both rental props in nc, a rare State with net inflow of new residents.

Housing is dead money for another 10 yrs in my humble opinion. If they increase the 8k to 15k and lax rules, I will likely try to sell the home I live in and switch to rent month to month, so I can prep to be able to leave the ny area on a drop of a dime if I have to.

Rome is burning.

Re: POLICE BANK

What a joke. How many times must we go through with this same self-regulation experiment? These fools couldn't identify the problem the first time around so we give 'em a second shot, and a second second shot. This is nothing more than a plan to keep Congress placated until the next bubble is fully inflated. Completely embarrassing that this is what passes for regulatory reform.

What the Fed needs to do is stop supporting the God-given right to be "Too Big to fail". Its sad that we have to make new "regulations" to deal with the morally hazardous disease that we are simultaneously spreading.

Re: POLICE BANK

vb,

We'd all hope that big government is a matter of creep, but Obama, I fear, is in steamroll mode. I was a pre-election fan; but soon after he took office I told you all that I didn't like what I was seeing. When a President actually names the names of law abiding Americans and says he is outraged at their behavior, that is way over the top. Even if the majority of us agree with the man, that is not presidential. There is a system in place for a couple hundred years that has served America well. This man, perhaps because he might be as charismatic and skilled an orator as we have seen, somehow believes he is bigger than the system. We hear the term "blow-out" every day with regard to corporate earnings. You want to hear my version of blow-out. I think if Obama keeps doing what he's doing, he's going to be blown-out of office. As I say, America has gone off the rails. I didn't agree with the Goldman Sachs take-over of the last Administration, but I am even more concerned about this Administration.

My two cents; I am sure by now most people have made up their own minds.

Apple per unit sales up only 7%. well how did they do it?

The explosive revenues?

Has anyone poured over the earnings? I have been out of pocke to do so the past several days. And now I am on Amtrak so can't this sec.

If the dollar hadn't dropped from 90s to 70s, and intl sales were not taking adv of plunging usd, would their rev report have been so glamorous?

I smell a fire and see smoke everywhere I look but I can't see the flames, Yet!

Re: POLICE BANK

Bill - What's your take on today's action?

Doug Kass Article

this is from yesterday before the sell off. Keep in mind that he has publicly stated he is short:

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10614831/1/kass-the...

Interesting article nonetheless.

"We recognize that we may be

"We recognize that we may be early in signalling a strong note of caution, but it appears to us that in recent days, the strongly rising stock market has shifted investor sentiment from outright pessimism and caution towards a warm feeling of complacency." This is the natural outcome of a straight up 7 month market. Can we have those 7 months back please? I'd play it differently.

Good article on The Fool. Sorry didn't save the link

Can America Innovate Itself Out of Stagnation?
· By Jennifer Schonberger
October 22, 2009

One of economists' greatest fears is that the U.S.'s financial recovery will be doomed to the same fate as Japan's economy: a decade or more of stagnant growth.
Despite the fact that there are major differences between the U.S. economy and the Japanese economy, the U.S. may be vulnerable to the same unconventional cause that sealed Japan's fate. This is according to Clayton Christensen, Harvard Business School professor, author of The Innovator's Dilemma, and the foremost expert on innovation in the U.S., who recently visited The Motley Fool headquarters.
That unconventional cause is innovation stagnation. According to Christensen, every industry that constituted the engine of Japan's economic miracle was "disruptive."
That is to say, companies started competing in Japan's market from the bottom and rapidly worked their way to the top of the market through innovation, transforming industries whose products historically were complicated and expensive into something affordable and simpler for a much larger population. By that point, companies had finally reached the promised land of high margins at the upper end of the market.
At the same time Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore came in on the low end of the very industries that had propelled Japan's growth stealing those markets. Now enter China and India from the bottom, which are racing up market as fast as possible.
"It wasn't just Toyota (NYSE: TM) that [stole the market from] General Motors," said Christensen. "Honda (NYSE: HMC) did it to the motorcycle industry, Canon (NYSE: CAJ) did it to Xerox (NYSE: XRX), Sony (NYSE: SNE) did it to RCA, Mitsui did it to ship building and by 1990 those companies had gone from the low end to the high end of the market. There just wasn't anywhere to go."
This is evidence, according to Christensen, that there really are microeconomic roots to countries' macroeconomic prosperity and stagnation. "I really worry about America because there's nowhere to go," he said.
Now turn to the U.S.
Christensen says the U.S. economy got disrupted out of manufacturing by the Japanese and that now we're getting disrupted out of engineering and creativity by India. "We've led the world in technology not because the Americans are technologists," he said. "We've just been a magnet for the best in the world, and now if our immigration policy tries to systematically turn those immigrants [away], and they can't come here -- or they don't come here -- I really worry what will become of us."
Indeed Christensen is not the only expert that's worried about this scenario. Charles Geisst -- the man who called the 2008 financial meltdown four years prior in a book entitled, Undue Influence: How the Wall Street Elite Puts the Financial System at Risk, and a professor of finance at Manhattan College -- told me in an interview that he thinks a Japan scenario could be on the table for the U.S. economy.
Tyler Cowen, George Mason University professor of economics and co-creator of the popular economics blog marginalrevolution.com has a slightly different spin on innovation, pointing out that the current crisis is fundamentally about the real economy.
Cowen points to recent innovations like Web that are life-enhancing but not necessarily substantial creators of jobs or revenue in the real economy. To Cowen's point maybe the stagnation Christensen and Geisst predict has already happened. Cowen notes that about ten years ago the real economy began to stagnate because revenue models crashed. As a result banks, like Citigroup (NYSE: C) and Bear Stearns (now owned by JPMorgan Chase (NYSE: JPM)) sought to innovate in areas like subprime mortgage securities that provide debatable benefits to the real economy.
Those are the thoughts of Christensen, Geisst, and Cowen, but we'll let you have the final word. Share your insights on innovation and a possible lost decade in the U.S. in the comments section below.

Bill - What's your take on today's action?

teamonfuego,

I got up at 7:30am because I was working last night until 1:40am, so I was behind from the get-go today. But I am shocked the Fed keeps the pressure up on the US Dollar, which keeps capital flowing into the US market. Bernanke said a week ago that he would take action and I don't see it yet. All he has to do is raise the Fed rate and the discount raise a measly +25 basis points, which is still almost zero. I just don't get it. Maybe HB&B have kidnapped his family and the crooks are counting on six months more of absolute zero rates? Do you think?

Re: First time posters

Bill,

I have been regularly reading your blog for over three years, but have never yet posted. I'd just like to say thank you for sharing your knowledge and insights into the capital markets. I work for a Hedge Fund in Toronto in a support role, but have probably learned more here about how the financial system works then at my job. I will try to contribute some insight from time to time.

Also, thank you for introducing me to Silver Wheaton last October, after you posting they would make it through the financial crisis, I purchased some shares, and I am very happy with that trade :).

Thanks

Re: Bill - What's your take on today's action?

Bill - I hear you about the dollar. What is the difference between 0.25 and 0? Does he really want to see oil at $100/barrel soon? Maybe they just feel that the participants in the markets are over exaggerating the truth, which is that the economic growth is slower than people realize?

Either way, I finally exited out of my long SPY at the market close today. It has been a good run and I'm keeping that account in cash, despite my 3%+/- the 200 DMA theory, which has done well. I'm looking for a correction over the next few months or so.

A Paul Harvey substitute is needed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Harvey

"And now you know… the rest of the story."

This tag line goes through my head constantly as I listen to the hype from Wall Street about the recent spate of "surprisingly good" earnings.

We don't don't need CNBC or Bloomberg; we need another Paul Harvey. The world needs to know... the rest of the story.

Re: jl- Trying the midday martini again>>FAZ/SRS/TZA/TYP>OFF

Entries
19.04/9.56/11.43/11.25

Exits
18.43/9.38/11.15/11.15

So this one gave me a little indigestion. Discipline requires I close positions after-hours.

Minor hit, about -0.06% of the portfolio, or about 15% of yesterday's +0.4% gain.

the euro, SPX, and what's to come

After reading an article today by Pritchard entitled "Euro at $1.50 is a disaster for europe" (link below) I wondered what correlation there might be between the euro and SPX. Turns out, at least for the past month, that correlation is quite strong - and indeed over the 7 month rally, you can pretty much see SPX rise right alongside FXE.

Perhaps one of our more clever people here can quantify it for us.

Article link: http://tinyurl.com/yl99om2

""The euro at $1.50 is a disaster for the European economy and industry," said Henri Guaino, right-hand man of President Nicolas Sarkozy."

(Of course, the key player is not the French but the Germans, since they are the senior partner in the Euro firm.)

60 Minute chart of SPX, with an overlay for FXE.

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPY&p=60&b=5&g=0&...

Re: the euro, SPX, and what's to come

Do not qualify for the "clever" part, but this is already done, it's what we discussed here a couple of weeks ago:

Q3, 0.87, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iV5yDiKxCdk/SssqN4kQIjI/...

Q2, 0.80: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iV5yDiKxCdk/SsoqjuHZclI/...

You are correct. It's hard to find what is not correlated though. USO and UNG was one, but that was a period when UNG was broken (well, still is).

The eagle flies on Friday/What's left to stop the advance?

Barring an outside shock (which could happen at any time), I think the bears will need a day or two to recharge.

Who's left?

(a) Early summer bears. They may in fact be a well-rested contingent of bears. After all, they were taken out early, they've had time to deal with it, and may now have accumulated enough ammo (financial and psychological) to take another stab at shorting. After being castigated by fellow bears for being early casualties of the rally, they now have the upper hand- the punishment dished out by the market in July and August was nothing compared to the devastation that followed.

(b) Closet bears. Well, at this point in the rally, these bears would have to be so far inside the closet that they walk and talk like bulls. Unlikely to be unleashing hell on the bulls.

That's it. All other bears (IMO) have been neutralized for the remainder of the week. Monday might be the next reasonable time to open shorts?

Re: Fed to Step Up Reviews of Compensation at Banks

Kaimu -

Along with TARP and backdoor guarantees, add the cost of the QE to let those five banks borrow funds at zero interest to stay 'solvent' and use SEC for cover (suspension of shorting for these banks only) while killing off their off-guard competitors (Lehman, Merrill) with naked shorts. What's that costing the taxpayer and the Republic?! Heck, just another $100B scheduled for auction next week. Who's buying?

http://www.businessinsider.com/treasury-poised-to-...

When the QE music stops, so will the C word. Time to dump the dollar and take cover.

Re: the euro, SPX, and what's to come

I was looking at the different currencies and eyeballing them against the 60 minute SPX chart and noticed the euro seemed to have a better correlation than the other currencies. I suppose I'm just searching for a "tell".

Job creation the wall st math

Job creation the wall st math way: 
Jan 1 2010, it will seem like obama's promise of 2m jobs creation worked. That because 2m currently collecting extended unemployment (12 months) will fall off the map into the abyss. They will no longer be counted. Sound similar to toxic assets much?

And now they say that the unemployment may be extended even longer, past 1 yr!!!!! 

Why do I go to work anymore? I should get fired, collect unemployment, buy a foreclosed home thru an FHA loan, not pay my mortgage, and wait for the next bail out.

Re: The eagle flies on Friday/What's left to stop the advance?

It's one crazy world we live in. I'm one of those newly turned short term bears only because of prices relative to valuations and what i'm seeing in terms of the charts.

i recently looked at the projected earnings for the S&P 500 for 2010 and compared it to earnings in 2009. operating earnings are projected to be $73.54, which compares to $54.87 for 2009. That's impressive...expecting a 34% ramp up in earnings in one year. In 2002 operating earnings ramped up 18.5% from 2001.

Re: the euro, SPX, and what's to come

"Euro at $1.50 is a disaster for europe"

Thats similar to what I saw quoted over a year ago from a French spokesman who said the euro was in "nosebleed territory" below the present level. It went higher then retreated. The French are worried about their wine exports. The Germans, well they just lost a Ford production plant which is coming back to USA (Kentucky)for cheaper labor. Advantage USA? Maybe. Yesterday I was stopped out of UUP for a loss of 2.7% after a hold of exactly a month.

Re: the euro, SPX, and what's to come

Next resistance for the euro is at around 153. Nosebleed territory for the euro: March 2008 - June 2008 the euro was around 153-158.

The vix

Next heavy support areas.
15, 11, 9 , and zero
booyaaHH

Re: the euro, SPX, and what's to come

Yah, and the RSI 7's are in distribution territory. Don't really know how applicable that is to a currency ETF (FXE).

Trying to make some sense of it all?

And I thought apart from discussing Reservoir Dogs with Vad, I would never have reason to post Stealers Wheel:

"Trying to make some sense of it all,
But I can see that it makes no sense at all,
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor,
'Cause I don't think that I can take anymore
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you."

I will short when Fleckenstein announces his first short...

not untill then...

Re: I will short when Fleckenstein announces his first short...

Baz - Here's your man...he's getting ready:

http://www.businessinsider.com/short-seller-flecke...

We've seen this before...

Re: The eagle flies on Friday/What's left to stop the advance?

TOF - Just for fun, I looked at old SPX earnings and prices. Your 2010 projected earnings of 73.54 compares to 2005's actual earnings of 76.45 when SPX was 1248 (a PE ratio of 16.32).

Back in 2005, oil was $60, gold was $500, USD was at 90, and the housing boom was in full swing. We had crazy mortgages, folks were taking money out of their home ATMs, they were spending up their credit cards, and it was party time. Lets say we get back to there by 2010 - we are partying hearty again. With an implied PE of 16.32 on earnings of 73.54, that would bring us to SPX 1200.

100 SPX points over a one year period doesn't sound like a lot of reward, given the risks of staying in the market.

Is that why you're a short term bear? Or do you think that by 2010 SPX will deserve a higher PE than 16?

And...some interesting Metrics from Mr. Ritholz

Stock markets are up 60% plus. How does this rally stack up with previous ones?

Here are some key criteria of what previous 60% rallies have looked like when analyzed across 10 different key economic dimensions :

* Year over Year Retail Sales: 9.3% average in prior 60% rallies versus -5.3% in the current one
* Consumer Confidence: 95.5 average; 53.1 now
* Capacity Utilization: 79.9% average; 66.6% now
* Year over Year Industrial Production: 4.1% avereage; -10.7% now
* ISM: 53.9 average; 52.6 now
* Payroll employment gains over period: 2.2% average; -2.0% now
* Decline in continued unemployment claims from cycle peak: -26.3 average; -11.6% now
* Year over Year growth in total credit market debt: 9.3% average; 3.0% now
* Year over Year growth in household debt: 8.8% average; -0.1% now
* P/E Multiple: 16.8x average; 20.0x now

Re: I will short when Fleckenstein announces his first short...

He is truly a man one should pay attention to.... I read Fleck since he briefly was with ' The Street '( he did not see eye-to-eye with Cramer ! )... subscribed since 2005 ( read since 1998 )... Way ahead of his time... Called out Greenspan back in 1999,( Contrarian Chronicles ), years before the talking heads jumped on board... He had worked on his book about the Fed and Greenspan ( 'The Age of Ignorance'.....) since around 2004, and readers were privy to some of the things that were about to take place in 2007 and on... The man saved me a fortune, I mean that. He constantly refused to appear on CNBC because they would not let him air his views about the damage the network was doing to the investing public... I could go on, but, as I said, I will take my cue from him..... best of trades, Baz.

Re: I will short when Fleckenstein announces his first short...

baz - it sounds to me like he's getting ready to short imminently. of the ones he's looking at, semis, i think SNDK is a true dog and could be shorted at will. i think their earnings will completely fizzle out in due time.

Re: I will short when Fleckenstein announces his first short...

Team, he rarely presents a list ( high dollar clients ), but will give a heads-up on his intentions... He does tell his position on equities discussed in his column...

Re: The eagle flies on Friday/What's left to stop the advance?

I think a 34% jump in earnings is a little too optimistic to be honest. when the stimulus from the govt comes off i think the debt load will make things harder to grow.

Re: POLICE BANK

Hi Bill,

Do you think Obama is giving the FED the authority or the other way around?

I am undecided on this point and clarification will help me plan my long term trades.

thanks!

vb

"Swinger"

http://tinyurl.com/ykzz2uv

Above chart was posted a few days ago from a poster on the obamagirl website and intends to show an upper and lower "rail" for the longer term bear or bull. The S&P appears to be converging to a crunch point. Other market observers including Bill have been noticing that.

Primary source for the data is the individual known as "Swinger" who posts at http://obamagirl7.blogspot.com. The thread was brought to my attention by Cara Community poster Greg not long ago.

Would like to hear more from Greg or others about "Swinger" and his trading tool which is recently available for a fee (His financial interest may be a royalty or similar derived from his black box math magic.) My own limited checks over the last year say it is spot on. Swinger says it is best for intermediate and long term but works for short term as well. Based on the trend is your friend. Long and intermediate terms bullish since July until proven otherwise.

Re: The eagle flies on Friday/What's left to stop the advance?

I am a bear. We are following all the policies that Japan implemented and I think we will suffer similar consequences.

71% of the economy is the Consumer. The Consumer is losing his job right and left. Today, David Rosenberg commented "The state by state U.S. employment data were just released and showed that the aggregate job loss in September was 451,600 (recall that the initial nonfarm payroll release revealed a 263,000 decline). Combine that with continuing to lose temp jobs and an extremely low hourly workweek. That means few new jobs and it also means very rare pay increases.

The other way the Consumer can spend is debt, of which little is available. The Securitization process is broken. I just looked at Wells Fargo, their total loans decreased from Q2 to Q3, which is similar to most all banks. With a record number of homes in the foreclosure process, and many that should be foreclosed but are being delayed in one program or another, we will continue to see home prices decline. When one owes $300k on a home with $150k market value, most people will strategicly default (especially in states that the only recourse is the home).

Look at this progression of WIET (Withheld Income and Employment Taxes) from the Treasury Statements (compiled by MaxedOutMama.blogspot.com):

July 2008/2009: 142,964 / 131,417 (-8.1%)
Aug 2008/2009: 136,464 / 126,389 (-7.4%)
Sep 2008/2009: 142,759 / 125,216 (-12.3%)
Oct (through 20th) 2008/2009: 97,151 / 84,811 (-12.7%)

Obama wants to borrow 40% of next year's budget while using rosy assumptions. Keep in mind that the average maturity of of US debt is approx 52 months. So if rates go up much at all, or if revenues don't pick back up, the raw fuel for a big (fiscal/debt/currency) blow up are present.

After the Consumer comes State and Local govt spending. CA is already $1 bill behind in a budget forecast only 8-10 weeks old. States are really going to feel the property tax decrease this year.

Does the FASB go through with making the banks bring their SIVS back to their balance sheets 1/1/10? If so, our well capitalized banks will look like the zombies they are. How will Obama sell another stimulus when another one makes his first one look foolish, yet how will Democrats campaign with 10%+ unemployment?

There are so many areas that could blow up and the market is priced for perfection. It is like smoking a big cigar in the gun powder room; it is only a matter of time.

Futures fading

Going with the sinister take, wouldn't it be really sinister if we wake up and futures are down big and all of those poor shorts that set tight stops ended up getting stopped out today with losses and guessing what to do while all of those poor longs that bought on a move back up to 1090 (and on its way to 1,120!) are trapped looking to sell? Ahh the sinister nature of this market.

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