[8:28am ET] Whenever there is a liquidity bubble and whenever there is a liquidity squeeze, ask yourself who is it that prints the money, and at times calls it back in. In the US, it isn’t the US Treasury; it’s the Federal Reserve Banking system and Humungous Bank & Broker. So the following comments from the chairman of what was until recently the world’s biggest banker are somewhat disingenuous.
[AP] Citigroup Inc.'s new board chairman, Richard Parsons, said financial institutions are being targeted for creating the nation's financial crisis, but they aren't the only ones responsible. "Everybody participated in pumping up this balloon. Now the balloon has deflated," he said Monday. "Everybody, in reality, has some part of the blame. But it's much more in the culture to find a villain and vilify the villain. Besides banks, there was reduced regulatory oversight, loans to unqualified borrowers were encouraged and people took out mortgages or home-equity loans they couldn't afford. We had a big party in this country," said Parsons, a longtime Citigroup board member who succeeded Win Bischoff as chairman at Citigroup.
At your party, Mr. Parsons, if the bartender continues to force liquor down the throats of known alcoholics, who is to blame? Just who should the public vilify?
Mr. Parsons, your remarks are unacceptable. I think you ought to consider apologizing to the people you serve.
Comments
Cara 100 Ratings Changes
Good morning.
ADBE - Upgraded to Outperform @ RBC. Price Target Raised from $23 to $30
Arrogance
No, everyone DID NOT participate in pumping up this balloon, Mr. Parsons, you arrogant pinhead. Some of us actually are capitalists, we are the owners of capital that work hard and SAVE the funny money you pea-brains think is your private plaything. We lived within our means, didn't buy snazzy cars and multiple homes, run-up massive unsecured credit card debt and similarly massive secured debt fraudulently rated by your friends.
No Mr. Parsons, you and your greedy, arrogant friends did this all on your own. You should not apologize, you should follow Senator Grassley's previous suggestions....take a deep bow and resign. :>) You thought I was going to say something else, didn't you? Wellllll...it wouldn't bother me if you all ate the jello.
Re: Arrogance
The noble thing to do would be resign but look @ who you are expecting to do the noble thing? The rest of the world is suffering the effects of the nations hangover and they are looking at pointing the finger elsewhere to rid themselves of the blame. Why am I not surprised??
Great analogy Bill
My problem is I didn't drink. Not one drop. What happened to most of us was Mr. Parsons and his banking friends gave the alcoholics all the booze they could possibly consume, then packed *everyone* drunk or sober, into a fleet of buses, locked the doors and gave the alcoholics the keys to the ignition.
Re: Arrogance
You're right, without honesty we won't get self examination and certainly not nobility. Nah, we'll get the usual un-leadership. You know, Dick Parsons is no more grown-up than the average 5 year old, looking to blame some other kid when the teacher shows up.
I say give em' the ruler....the little liar. This is the type of little person that is a captain of our industry? No wonder we have integrity issues.
From the King to the Big 3 (government, media, corporations)
Especially you professional politicians, lobbyists and political organizers. We're tired of listening to your bull cock-a-dukie so . . .
"A little less conversation, a little more action please
All this aggravation ain't satisfactioning me
A little more bite and a little less bark
A little less fight and a little more spark
Close your mouth and open up your heart and baby satisfy me
Satisfy me baby"
http://www.dizzler.com/music/Elvis_Presley/A_Littl...
To the people, lets do something productive for ourselves - vote all of the incumbents and salesmen out and put the TV on mute when they talk. My wife, kids, and family have more important things to say and deserve more of my attention than these jack donkeys who are full of themselves.
The Parsons 'party'
(a) bar: bank
(b) patron: patron
(c) bartender: loan officer
(d) shot: loan
(e) 100 proof: interest only
(e) cop: regulator
(f) good cop: Spitzer
(g) bad cop: the one who doesn't need you, and expects the same
Gimme a Stoli. And a round for the house- this community deserves one!
Les- branded a day trader?
Careful, my man. They'll be pulling you over every chance they get now ;)
Re: The Parsons 'party'
2nd
Finally it is moving my way
brought at end -OEWPR at 9.00. will nurse them all day have 10
TV
I've been thinking about this. We need to do more than mute the TV. Most of us pay for programming and in doing so, we are paying for THEIR propaganda machine. We finance the infrastructure and then they use OUR TV infrastructure and airwaves to make too much profit and to beat us over the head with their inane BS.
I can get Bloomberg, WSJ, and the Cara Community online, now if I can only wean my wife off of American Idol and Celebrity Apprentice I can fire my TV.
Hey. more $ for gold and silver...
Re: Les- branded a day trader?
Of course, once you start packing the .25, you'll have enough weight to keep them off your back...
Re: Cara 100 Ratings Changes
BH,
Thanks again for your seriously informative work on the upgrades/downgrades
Re: The Parsons 'party'
vinod - where do you find information on the futures option chains? what is the symbol of the underlying futures you're trading? i don't know anything about futures, but i'm assuming they're very volatile.
Pattern daytrader
I was labeled a pattern daytrader by Scottrade. I think it has more to do with their margin charges than anything else. More of the same...
I trade a lot but I don't use their margin.
Dow
8500 looks like a target per fib ext off the low and weekly trendline resistence
Re: The Parsons 'party'
teamonfuego
i do not know anything about future not do i trade future.
I trade put and call on OEX
option chain on OEX can be found any place you have account or at yahoo site
Re: Cara 100 Ratings Changes
TN_blogger,
Appreciate the kind words. My pleasure.
Regards,
BH
opening at yesterday's low/15-yard penalty
That's an interesting start. Must have been a false start by the bulls. Worse, a personal foul.
FAS/FAZ- 4.5m shares exchanged pre-market
now that's a crowded table
FAS- targeting a 5-handle
...
Bill....Good job putting your crosshairs on Parsons this morning
The sad part is....the fool believes the crap he spews!
XLF- targeting 9.10 as support
...
Re: Dow
I like that target, tbar. Just looking for the ultimate entry point.
Re: The Parsons 'party'
what is oex? i thought that was the s&p futures?
FRX
bought more at $21.54.
SLW- yesterday's buy (7.40) off at 7.75
I'll take the 5%. Still holding a core.
Re: The Parsons 'party'
tof- go to Yahoo Finance, type in ^OEX, and it will list the components of the S&P100.
Re: Arrogance
Craig,
Right on! It doesn't take a village to screw up the whole system, just a few jerks with the backing of a compliant Congress.
Bill,
"At your party, Mr. Parsons, if the bartender continues to force liquor down the throats of known alcoholics, who is to blame? Just who should the public vilify?"
This reminds me of a lawsuit for which I served on a jury.
A drunken driver was killed after running into a semi at high speed.
His wife was suing the tavern, the bartender, the company that owned the truck, the truck driver...
It was thrown out of court.
Mr. Parsons defense is the one a six-year-old would employ, "It wasn't just me, Mom — everybody was doing it."
Take him to the woodshed!
Re: The Parsons 'party'
teamonfuego
S&P 100 INDEX is OEX. just like S&P 500
Stock Correlator
For anyone interested in stock correlation, I am releasing an on-line stock correlator tool. Simply enter the stock symbols (up to 4), and the desired dates and it will tell you the correlation among all submitted stocks.
http://nexalogic.com/nexacorrelation.html
Correlation is an extremely useful tool for diversification. Some examples of previous studies:
Correlation of the DOW30 stocks: http://shockedinvestor.blogspot.com/2009/02/correl...
ETF and Index Correlation: http://shockedinvestor.blogspot.com/2008/06/etf-an...
Correlation of oil, gold, and currencies: http://shockedinvestor.blogspot.com/2008/08/stock-...
Correlation of oil and natural gas: http://shockedinvestor.blogspot.com/2008/08/correl...
Correlation of the most traded stocks in the US: http://shockedinvestor.blogspot.com/2008/08/correl...
and so on.
Pillzilla- congrats
Still in the park holding your one-night stand?
Re: XLF- targeting 9.10 as support
getting closer, will be looking to enter a little?
Re: XLF- targeting 9.10 as support
Vinod- still targeting a 5-handle on FAS. Your OEX puts are up 45%...
Re: XLF- targeting 9.10 as support
sold all -OEWPR at 12.30. don't have guts to hold longer
Re: From the King to the Big 3 (government, media, corporations)
We will be having a "Tea Party" here on April 14th. Check your local area for the one nearest you. Let's show these guys we don't buy their "solution" and continued protection of the perps.
Our Tea Party was announced in today's paper and leaves a bit to be desired, but...
It will be "Green" — not green tea — but no bags, no dumping into the river. "Bring loose tea to dump into a can which will be properly disposed of."
I can picture the colonists if organizing by today's standards...
Notice to all rebels: There will be no costuming as Native Americans or other ethnic garb. No "hate" language on placards. No obscenities uttered or muttered. Please keep the noise to a minimum to avoid unnecessary disturbance of fellow subjects (including selected short ones).
Violators will be shunned and excluded from subsequent protest events. Have a nice day.
Tally Ho! :-)
FAZ was a good date last night
just not the bring her home to mom type :')
of at 17.66
Re: XLF- targeting 9.10 as support
I don't blame you. Nice move.
OEX
Vinod,
I noticed that bid/ask spread is 50 cents or more, thats quite a bit, isn't it compared to SPY
IB Order Entry Tricks
Still learning some of the more obscure order entry capabilities of IB. Today I've been reading about Iceberg Orders (which display only a set portion of the total order size) and Relative/Pegged-to-Primary orders, described as follows:
"The relative order provides a means for traders to seek a more aggressive price than the National Best Bid and Offer (NBBO). By becoming liquidity providers, and placing bids or offers into the book that are more aggressive than what is currently quoted, traders increase their odds of execution. Quotes are automatically adjusted when other market participants become more aggressive. For a buy order, your bid is pegged to the NBB by a more aggressive offset amount*, and if the NBB moves up, your bid will also move up. For sales, your offer is pegged to the NBO by a more aggressive offset, and if the NBO moves down, your offer will also move down. In addition to the offset, you can define an absolute cap, which works like a limit price, and will prevent your order from being executed above or below a specified level.
For relative orders with a "0" offset, the order is submitted as a limit order at the best bid/ask, and will move up and down with the market to continue to match the inside quote.
*The offset is the amount that will be added to the best bid (for a buy order) and subtracted from the best ask (for a sell order) to create the limit price at which the relative order will be submitted."
Here's a link to the IB TWS User's Guide:
http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/software/tws/...
You need not be an IB customer to peruse the guide (but once you do so, you'll want to become one). Especially after you check their commission schedule (see link on their website, InteractiveBrokers.com).
No, I'm not working for IB; yes, I am a very satisfied customer (and at the moment a shareholder).
Re: TV
I have never subscribed to TV in my life. And I'm thinking of not getting the Box by June either. So then Rabbit Ears might not even work. Internet is all we need. It's more free with much better choices.
Rob.
Re: The Parsons 'party'
aha...ok, so it's an index and vinod is buying options on the index...gotcha.
FT item points to future debt bombs
Howard Lutnik of Cantor Fitzgerald (of world trade center fame) points out debt bombs upcoming:
- over $250B in commercial real estate debt maturing in 2009
- by 2012 many debts from the 1000 US companies taken private in 2006 needing refinancing
- by 2013 over $600B of non-investment-grade debt coming due.
He asks: who will buy this debt? and suggests that NEW banks need be created from scratch (is he volunteering to found one?)as well as smaller existing banks involved with new programs (to be called the BURP or the BARF?) rather than counting on the zombies to step up.
Financials fighting back
Maybe in anticipation of the SEC meeting tomorrow re short selling road blocks?
Either that or hb&b dont want us on the ride up.
Re: OEX
Shiva
Yes, spread is usually from 40 cent to 90 cent
What I do is, when new month starts. I keep track of 3 call and three put with daily oex high and low
I look at price movement for few days before I make decision what to buy call or put and at what price.
I do not make random decision. Still I lose more than half of my trade but few winners will do it for me
When time is right I bet big?
Re: OEX
Vinod,
Thanks for the tip. I trade SPY quite a bit. But when a big move occurs, OEX could come in handy
Cara 100 Update (Final)
PBR - Price Target Raised from $45 to $48 @ Barclays. Equal Weight Rating.
Options on Futures
teamonfuego - There are indeed options on futures such as the ES. For example the 810 ES puts expiring 4/17/09 trade under ticker ESJ9 P0810, while a similar put expiring 4/30/09 trades as EWJ9 P0810. As I read it, each put or call is for 50 contracts (danger!). Spreads look reasonable. I have no experience or expertise trading options on futures. Not advice. Do your own due diligence. ~OG
GROSS DEBT PLUS FED
ALOHA !!
GROSS DEBT held by the Public, otherwise known as the National Debt is now within $900bilUSD from the DEBT CEILING! At this rate of DEBT accumulation we should be hearing rants form CONgress about raising the DEBT CEILING by the end of Summer! Currently the US DEBT CEILING is at $12.104tril USD ... I was reading Don Coxw latest report from BMO where he talks about erasing the US National Debt with $10trilUSD from cutting spending. Sorry Don but you'd be about $2trilUSD short with that plan! OH ... and the REPS and DEMS would be out of power if they reneged on that much WELFARE, so PLAN L22 please! CONgress will probably move the CEILING to around $14trillion USD, because it is getting embarrassing to raise the DEBT CEILING more than once per year!
THIS IS A TEST ...
I went to a "central bank" website and you have to guess what country is this central bank in? What country? Here is their own "about us" directly off their own website:
"The ____ is a government corporation, created by ______ in 19__ under the general supervision of the ________. The _____ was established to centralize and reduce the cost of federal borrowing, as well as federally-assisted borrowing from the public. The _____ was also established to deal with federal budget management issues which occurred when off-budget financing flooded the government securities market with offers of a variety of government-backed securities that were competing with Treasury securities. Today the ____ has statutory authority to purchase any obligation issued, sold, or guaranteed by a federal agency to ensure that fully guaranteed obligations are financed efficiently."END
Okay I have removed the name of this central bank but all else remains the same.
Any guesses?
Once I explain who this "central bank" is you will wonder just how much more asinine our elected leaders can get? Because this is the solution to end the financial Armageddon IN THEIR FACE!!
Any guesses?
SPX
If 812 level doesnt hold, could go down to 780
Re: SPX
Tim Knight is thinking along the same lines, looking for a move down to 790, based on a H&S pattern.
http://slopeofhope.com/2009/04/07/measured_move_ah...
Mr. Parsons
""Everybody participated in pumping up this balloon. Now the balloon has deflated," he said Monday. "Everybody, in reality, has some part of the blame. But it's much more in the culture to find a villain and vilify the villain. Besides banks, there was reduced regulatory oversight, loans to unqualified borrowers were encouraged and people took out mortgages or home-equity loans they couldn't afford."
Obviously not the right man for the job, look to whomever appointed this guy and you're likely to discover another well-connected villain.
I sure hope Mr. Parson's isn't part of Obama's presidential advisory team, b/c on the surface, that would seem like a conflict of interest. A circular statement suggesting responsibility lies in the laps of the victims of mortgage fraud provides confirmation. The entire global economic system is the victim of the fraudulent practices of your financial institution.
Lending money to someone who has no means to repay isn't innovative financing, it's stupid, it's fraudulent, and it's the primary reason why the global economic system is on it's knees. The victims are spread across the Earth Mr. Parsons, who besides yourself are the beneficiaries?
C
Whats up with it?
I could make cash on it and FAZ today. Strange.
Re: Financials fighting back
Positive divergence in C all morning. GS and BAC just went green. XLF clawing its way back to break even.
FAZ and SKF breaking down.
Morning shake out?
C and BAC (not to mention GS) turning green
...
Re: Financials fighting back
I was holding out for 6.00 on FAS transition, should have seen C divergence as a tell and picked it up at 6.25ish. Probably missed an easy trade.
Re: Financials fighting back
Pz- Trying to score both in the same day? You're going to get slapped by one of them.
Re: Financials fighting back
2nd already out of FAZ at 17.66 right at open.
average in at C right now around 2.60ish.....still contemplating exit on that trade, was hoping 3+ but may have to take what I can get if market tells lower........C has to many moving parts right now and is starting to make me uneasy.
Re: Financials fighting back
When I'm uneasy, sometimes I just trade the position back and forth in smaller and smaller increments until the feeling goes away ;)
OEX
Note that OEX is cash settled only, you can't buy shares as you can with SPY, for example. It also has an earlier expiration date than most options - I believe all cash settled options have an earlier expiration.
A variation on OEX is XEO which is also the S&P 100 index except it is a European-style option which can be very handy if you are shorting in that you cannot be assigned or called away before expiration. XEO is also frequently a bit less expensive than OEX according to the CBOE.
It's different enough to make it worthwhile to read up on what you're holding before jumping in.
Re: Financials fighting back
I agree...I don't believe it is yet time to short these...
Re: Financials fighting back
I'll be honest with you. I think financials rocket higher, way higher. I just don't like being shaken down along the way.
I miss the earth so much I miss my wife
http://tinyurl.com/dx2axg
Speaking of rockets- Another great song to put on an endless loop when speeding down 280 at night, or coasting down the other side of the Sonora Pass into Nevada.
Re: Financials fighting back
Yest was the tell. Most networks and press were pushing Mayo's call for chaos in banks. Meanwhile M Whitney goes on record as saying there might be a directional shift in banks. they might make $0.01, but at least change from the blood letting. And that she wouldnt be short banks.
Yet Mayo got the majority of the written press. that was quite interesting to me. Add to that the lack of professional selling all day yest, and this am. leads me to believe it was a shakedown to get us all out.
I can be wrong as always.
And tomorrow SEC meets to make it harder for naked shorts for all stocks, not just financials. should be interesting 48 hours.
Kaimu's bank
Kaimu,
That bank is the 'Federal Financing Bank'. When I looked at it I couldn't figure out why the US Treasury would have that bank, plus the Federal Reserve....
Re: Financials fighting back
so it begs the question. When to enter FAS today? : ' )
2nd I dont think we see a 5 handle bud!
I figured we might get some further press on Mayo's comments coming into today after the "press" had a day to think of there "own" take. Hence, yesterdays short lived FAZ play. Went mostly according to plan. If Merideth is even turning coat 2nd might be right to predict rocket move, since she has been nuts on for a long long time.
Re: GROSS DEBT PLUS FED
The FFB.
Re: Financials fighting back
Pz- I have positions in the underlying stocks and/or financial sector funds (mainly via FIDSX). Trying to limit FAS to intraday plays, but of course, there is the thrill of capturing successive gap-ups should I play it right.
Re: Financials fighting back
agreed for most part 2nd....I rarely hold the ultras overnight anymore.
hence, the "When to enter FAS 'today'?"
meaning today : ' ) lol
Re: Financials fighting back/stormy weather
Pz-
The bipolar relationship analogy holds for FAS/FAZ trades. I had a very enjoyable one in 1981.
Up talking till closing time in the second floor piano room at the (University of Michigan) Rackham Building (my favorite place to cram for exams and/or play the beautiful grand) one day, too busy for each other the next. Disappearing on her the day before she flies to Boston for her friend's graduation recital, then slipping through the locked doors of the New England Conservatory as a couple exits in time to catch the final minutes. On and on, man. I could take it for no longer than a year. But it was one of the most creative years of my life.
FAS is like that. I have to trade it wisely, and never forget what I'm getting into when I do.
almost noon, another mild volume day
will be at client site until 2pm. good luck all
Re: GROSS DEBT PLUS FED
ALOHA !!
100% RIGHT ON THE FIAT MONEY!!!
Quent and the Dr. WIN!!!
Exactly ... why do we need the US FED when we have the exact same BANK owned by the US TREASURY and WE THE PEOPLE?
Link to FFB: http://www.ustreas.gov/ffb/
GET RID OF THE US FED because we already have our own CENTRAL BANK ready and waiting in the wings!!
Will someone please explain why the FFB is not running this SHOW?
Once again my FLOW CHART only with the FFB ...
FFB >>> US FED >>> WE THE PEOPLE
Their mission statement says: "Today the FFB has statutory authority to purchase any obligation issued, sold, or guaranteed by a federal agency to ensure that fully guaranteed obligations are financed efficiently."
Lets add PRINT MONEY to that mission and DUMP the US FED!!
BEN any objections?
Re: GROSS DEBT PLUS FED
ALOHA !!
By the way ... How did I find the FFB? They are one of the line items listed on the US TREASURY DAILY STATEMENT under TABLE 3-B and 3-C. Right between "unauthorized discounts" and "HOPE bonds"! HOPE? Oh please-e-e-e!! Will this insanity never end?
VOTE THEM ALL OUT!
Wind is blowing
Vinod----“S&P’s have rallied 26%, the CRB is up 15%" . . . . . . . . “like a Cubs hitter that smacks a lot of home runs in Wrigley Field b/c the wind is always blowing out”
In April, early May, it actually blows in and some hitters stay “cold” until the shift in weather and wind patterns . . . just like the market . . . wind blowing in today before AA earnings after the bell . . . believe with most company earnings reports this quarter, trader focus will be on the statements about the next quarter, the OUTLOOK and what future earnings may be . . . will the wind position continue and pick up speed or will spring truly arrive is the question.
TSA UP BABY!
ALOHA !!
I know some TSA agents that need to be jailed!
This is outrageous and shows us all where this BIG GOVERNMENT is leading to. This is the same way NAZI Germany got going, when German citizens decided that AUTHORITY need not be QUESTIONED ... Amazing!!
I would not want to be these TSA agents, going up against a sitting US FEDERAL SUPREME COURT judge on national TV! With John Stossel and Judge Napolitano. This guy being denied his rights is a worker for RON PAUL and the CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY! So much for LIBERTY in America!
Go to this link and listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMB6L487LHM
BIG GOVERNMENT at work and, by the way, your TAX DOLLARS!
Re: GROSS DEBT PLUS FED/chapter and verse
"How did I find the FFB? They are one of the line items listed on the US TREASURY DAILY STATEMENT under TABLE 3-B and 3-C. Right between "unauthorized discounts" and "HOPE bonds"! HOPE? Oh please-e-e-e!! Will this insanity never end?"
kaimu- LOL. Well, of course. Reciting from Chapter 3 verse 3 in the Book of Unauthorized Disclosures, "Hope bonds all hapless investors together in the collective belief that the Almighty Fed will save their retirement portfolios from eternal damnation. Only bereft of all worldly possessions are they able to fully understand the workings of the Fed."
Won't bother translating FFB.
Soros
I'm thinking George missed the train and wanted to get on-board?
Article to SEC
"Dear Sir/Madam,
I would like to bring to your attention what I believe to be fraudulent spreading of rumors by Optionmonster.com, a web site that focuses on unusual activity in the options markets. Last Thursday, they issued an alert that options activity in Forest Laboratories (FRX) suggesting that they may be bought out. The stock immediately spiked from the mid $21 range to over $23 in a matter of minutes after the release of their report. Later that day, one of the founders of Optionmonster appeared on CNBC to discuss this and there were also articles written in TheStreet.com (whose co-founder, Jim Cramer, also writes for Optionmonster.com) discussing this topic. Buyers of this stock bought into the idea that it might be bought out; however, this rumor has never been substantiated and since then the stock has fallen back to its previous levels, leaving buyers of the stock at a 5% loss and of the options at 50%+ losses.
This is not the first time that Optionmonster has spread rumors both on its web site, on TheStreet.com, and on CNBC like this that are unsubstantiated. I urge you to look into the practices of Optionmonster and bar them from issuing unsubstantiated rumors like this, which are detrimental to the retail investors you serve to protect.
Thank you for your time."
Mid-day Randoms: Vendor Financing
I think the economic disturbance we have now should be called 'vendor financing'. To encourage consumption, the company (GM, GE, whomever) offers discounted lending terms.
Of course, should demand dry up, there is no growth in sales, and risk to the vendor who offers the financing.
The whole economy has slack demand, and the US Government via the bankers Bernanke and Geithner are fronting our money to encourage (indeed try to force) demand.
With a deflationary trend, consumers prefer to 'wait' for cheaper asset prices and the game is to sell optimism (and debt) to reverse the psychology.
Once again, when VXX gets substantially below VXZ, the short-term imbalance seems to favor selling...
We deserve a fair and transparent hearing on what the Fed is doing (buying futures doesn't seem like economic stimulus, just gamesmanship) and what assets they actually hold.
Bad/undesirable/toxic/worthless assets aren't illiquid for no reason. It's much like tracking most low priced stocks...they lost 'desirability' and ergo value. And "value" stock parameters, without growth prospects often are just dead money.
Re: Soros
Craig- Highlighting three paragraphs from the following Bloomberg article re Soros:
"Hedge funds should be regulated like other financial firms, Soros said. It would be appropriate for authorities to monitor positions to see whether managers have “excessive exposure,” he said."
"Soros Fund Management LLC was fined 489 million forint ($2.2 million) last month for attempting to manipulate the share price of OTP Bank Nyrt., Hungary’s largest bank, the country’s financial regulator said.
"The Soros fund attempted on Oct. 9 to “send out false or misleading signals about a security’s supply and demand or its share price” and short sold OTP shares, the regulator, known as PSZAF, said in a statement late yesterday. The short selling caused the shares to drop 14 percent in the final 30 minutes of trade, the regulator said. Soros apologized for the trade and said the fund had started an internal investigation."
I'll see your 5 and raise you a 10.
plan for the best outcome as well as the worst
never blogged in my life; don't even know where the word comes from. however, read the site daily, sat and sun, as well.
just read that will rahal has stopped his blog. bad tidings. seem he was innundated by those who did not take responsibility for their own trades and blammed him for losses.
i sez, you lay your money down and you takez your chances. i can only blame myself when i loose.
bill gives of himself in a very personal way and i soooooo appreciate it. the traders conference calls are the best i have ever read.
please bill, know that there are many out here who never communicate with you who feel the same. i know you have our interests at heart.
please keep that in mind when the weather gets cold.
Re: Soros
You know, it seems to me that MAKING THE BET (note: not taking the bet, oh no! Think wheelbarrow, not briefcase) and going all in BEFORE you make the bet and then using a marked deck, seems so....I don't know, what is the word I'm looking for? CRIMINAL?
GS: What UP?
Get a kick of hearing my 17-year-old daughter's friends on their cell phones: "Hey! So what's happening, what UP?"
Re: GS: What UP?
Craig- If you key off GS, what do you think?
Re: GS: What UP?
Uncle Warren is filling the rest of his position?
Re: Financials fighting back/stormy weather
Or you could just make a bet that volatility is going to go up during earnings season. Am thinking of buying long straddles on FAS/FAZ should be a nice play. Any thoughts on whether FAS or FAZ would be preferred?
Re: Mark To Model Rejected In Canada
Banking sector news:
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=1471115
Re: TSA UP BABY!
FYI. Kaimu see my post (Mar 20, 2009 #18238):
http://caracommunity.com/content/caras-commentary-...
If you click the link and scroll down there is a pdf of a Law Enforcement brief (sorry but its the only place I know it exists). It clearly identifies white, christian, conservative, right leaning, ron paul supporters as likely bad guys.
This was not intended for the public to see. See the small print at the bottom.
Are you really surprised? What is liberty? There is more free (less rules) and less free (more rules) but there is seldom complete liberty (no rules). Of course, we all feel the oppression when the quantity of rules increase exponentially as the empire peaks.
Re: GS: What UP?
Pz- Do warrants translate into volume on the exchange if/when they're converted?
Re: GS: What UP?
I look to it to confirm the action in XLF, which for you would then confirm FAS crack. However, like FAS it can swing with the best of them depending on the news. My only concern is we're coming into earnings and the markets have to be the three monkeys; See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil for a couple weeks. I'm not so sure speak no evil will behave and then hear no evil will have to do his job and everyone will see it.
Saying that I added a few shares of BAC earlier. Sometimes I forget GS and key off of you. Is that bad?
FAS FAZ Loss-O-Meter
After reading the excellent post by SiO2 showing the loss in the paired ultra-ETF trades (see April 2nd commentary), I thought I'd try a paired short. Just a small one to get my feet wet. Shorted 500 FAS at 6.33 and 150 FAZ at 18.23 on 2 April. Covered today at 6.60 and 17 respectively. Need the trading capital and wanted to close it out because I didn't balance the trade quite right (unequal $$ amounts). Very interesting idea. The trade was underwater only briefly, and in the end was only good for $50 profit but I love the concept and will be looking for other opportunities for a longer hold (and hopefully better profit).
SLV/SLW
What did Bill contribute yesterday? I get to be the blind squirrel today.
Sometimes it's so obvious even I can do it.
Re: plan for the best outcome as well as the worst
1airbornevet- Right on. Sorry to hear about Will Rahal.
Re: GS: What UP?
good point. I forget that uncle Warren operates on a different playing field then the rest of us. He doesnt just go out and buy stock typically o. His original stake in GS was not similar to one you and I might take or even have available to us.
I'm out of my league talking about Warrants 2nd. check out the equation in the link below for deriving hte Value of Warrant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_(finance)
As to the volume ?.....if they operate on a secondary market I would say probably not, but just guessing.
Re: TSA UP BABY!
ALOHA !!
I guess they are running the Timothy McVeigh profile now. How long before your passport bar code has who you last voted for and what party you registered under? Or is that info already on there? Exactly what is on that bar code on the back of passports? I somehow was allowed back into the USA when I went through US Customs in Nassau! HA!!
Yet now Anne Coulter is backing RON PAUL for 2012 so I guess the TSA guys will be looking to strip search her for $250!! What is the cash limit you are allowed to carry to stay under the TSA radar?
QUESTION AUTHORITY!
vb/found-> F/LVS
Are either of you reloading this morning?
Lutnick GETS it.........
Let's do a Bermuda and start our own banks..........
http://tinyurl.com/d7pzjn
Re: Mark To Model Rejected In Canada
Good on 'em. This will only help Canadian banks retain their reputation of strength, and probably let them extend their lead as their American counterparts will continue to hide behind lies and let their balance sheets continue to deteriorate...
just my opinion of course.
edit:
"A lot of big Canadian companies are raising money in the U.S. and if there is divergence it would be viewed negatively," the person said.
How could balance sheet transparency and honesty in reporting be viewed negatively?!
Gold
Nice to see some strength, was beginning to think the US government had found a miraculous way to resolve the national debt. They must have only bribed the debt collectors....
Grym- re airbags and bags of air
Grym- Your comments re TTM:
"This is interesting, but will they be allowed without an airbag. I hate all these overly protective, for-our-own-good laws. This is totally voiding the natural selection process and giving us unlimited future Congressional material."
too funny ;)
Re: TSA UP BABY!
TSA cash limit ... depends.
http://www.gadling.com/2009/04/02/tsa-detains-man-...
EDIT: Whoops. Missed your previous link. Nevermind.
Re: vb/found-> F/LVS
Tempting. Although.... was actually looking at C and FITB this morning. Hmmm
Re: Financials fighting back/stormy weather
joe tp, you can search on this forum as this has been discussed. Options on leveraged ETFs do not perform as well as options on the underlying. If you wish to do straddles on the financial sector, XLF is a better bet. However, XLF is not the best either as its options are too expensive. Better yet is IWM in general. Just my opinion.
$INDU
7800 broken
Re: vb/found-> F/LVS
Tempting indeed.
looking for an overdone bounce here, day trade only.
LVS at 4.09 very tight leash
Re: vb/found-> F/LVS/following you in @ 4.08
ditto
VIX
Market is down 185 but VIX has not move much.
option premium also down.
they are not expecting fear?
Re: vb/found-> F/LVS/following you in @ 4.08
ouch. my leash is tight.
Re: vb/found-> F/LVS/following you in @ 4.08
not liking it
out at 3.98
Re: vb/found-> F/LVS/adding at 3.98
...
Re: vb/found-> F/LVS/following you in @ 4.08
my leash broke at $3.97
DJIA down 200
...
Re: vb/found-> F/LVS/adding at 3.98
2nd
keeping eye on buying call on oex just a few contract
also Missed SRS this morning but still it can go to 55
FAS- 20% of allocation @ 6.32
...
ERX @ 24.18
...
Re: vb/found-> F/LVS/following you in @ 4.08
found- LOL. Sometimes I like to give the dogs a little room to run ;)
Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
So much for housing and the economy stabilizing in the near future...
Dann Adams, president of U.S. Information Systems for Equifax Inc, reported that 7 percent of homeowners with mortgages were at least 30 days late on their loans in February, an increase of more than 50 percent from a year earlier.
He also said 39.8 percent of subprime borrowers were at least 30 days behind on their home mortgage loans, up 23.7 percent from last year.
"I'm trying to find optimism in these numbers, but I'm pretty hard pressed to do that," Adams said, despite a recent burst of relatively positive news that has fueled hope that the U.S. housing market has turned a corner.
But Adams said the continued increase in mortgage delinquencies revealed in his data foreshadows more foreclosures, short sales and home price declines as homeowners default and banks then repossess the homes to sell them at deep discounts.
http://tinyurl.com/cgvbap
Re: Lutnick GETS it.........
ALOHA !!
"Howard Lutnick, the chairman of financial firm Cantor Fitzgerald, makes an interesting proposal in today's Financial Times. He says, in essence, that the US and UK governments should take some of the money they are pouring into fixing the system and just start new state-owned banks. The banks can be well capitalised with the huge funds made available from all the rescues in play, and with money from interested investors. Then they can just open their doors and, well, lend."
He's on the right track ... Let the existing banks go under, but I'll take that one step further! Howard, sorry mate, but we already have that! Its the FFB! Just make the FFB America's new "central bank" since they are already lending in a constitutional manner that is actually legal!!
I agree that the sale of US FED member bank "toxic assets" is fraud at best and never worked in Japan either. I just read that the top ten US pension funds are "mulling over" buying up these toxic assets($1tril USD worth) with yet MORE US GOVERNMENT guaranteed low interest loans. UNREAL! So when this all fails we US TAXPAYERS will be asked to bail out the US pension funds also. Tops among these pension funds are the State Of California Public Workers Union ... Hummmmm??? Government guarantees and a big union ... more government cronyism! Through all this discussion there is absolutely no mention as to what PLAN G28 is when this scheme fails.
DUMP the US FED and its member banks ...
trades for today
On Friday, after ERX had a 2-day major move, I decided to sell 150 shares out of the 750 I was holding, so as to be able to buy them back at a cheaper price and compenstate for the value erosion on the rest of my position. Yesterday's drop was not big enough -- it would have caused an insignificant value erosion and so my discipline told me to wait (even though it was very tempting to buy these 150 shares back at a lower price).
Today, instead of buying back these 150 ERX shares, I just sold 3 contracts of May $25 ERX puts at $4.1 each. Why let someone else pocket the volatility premium? Sell some while it is in demand. :) If ERX drops to $22 tomorrow, then I may actually do a riskier trade than selling puts and will actually buy ERX shares.
Also, today I covered at $0.25 the 4 contracts of the BTU $30 April calls, which I sold a couple of weeks ago at $0.75. At that time, I did not really believe that BTU could rise over $30, but after it closed at $29 last week I figured that I don't want to part with my BTU shares so easily. So I closed the calls today on a pullback and will sell new calls at a higher strike once BTU returns to $29 or so.
Interestingly, the financials are holding up very well today. Is it a signal that this pullback should be bought?
Re: HB&B
Submitted by Lori Smyth (29 comments) on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 18:21 #20938
"Humungous Bank & Broker: It would appear Bill you may soon have to change this title as the whole bunch of them together are now worth about as much as 100 shares of Enron.........."
We can save the acronym (and throw in the Enron directors as well) by calling a spade a spade- I'll save myself an edit and use a Boston accent->'haughtless bums and baastids'
Re: Mark To Model Rejected In Canada
You have to remember that the commercial banking sector is much smaller than in the U.S. I believe that we may see a rush into the loonie, though the chart is following just about anything else, including equities in the States.
What could occur is the sell off of Canadian bonds, so watching bond yields is a must. Very likely bonds in the UK, Euro, Canada and Australia will see a sell off. The UK was not able to sell any sovereign debt in the last couple of weeks. The governor of the Bank Of Canada has been promoting quantitative easing, meaning they will buy bonds at the expense of the currency in the absence of the commercial sector participating in sovereign debt or corporate debt.
This is not much different than the U.S., though Bank Of Canada intentions may be precluded in the next couple of weeks as we are at a pi-cycle turn date on April 21, 2008. This corresponds almost directly with options expiry as well.
Gold prices should be watched on Friday, April 17 for any resurgence. Bond yields the next week should surge if I'm correct, though there are far too many variables to consider, its just a wild guess. I assume that banking balance sheets in Canada will not benefit directly from mark to market accounting, though it is the only rational course of action. The places the governor of the Bank Of Canada directly at odds with the minority government.
Interesting scenario.
http://www.optionsclearing.com/publications/xcal/x...
http://www.tmxmoney.com/HttpController?GetPage=Bon...
Re: Lutnick GETS it.........
Oh and kaimu GETS it as well!
Am wondering when someone will have the intestinal fortitude to let these clowns go down? It is shameful the bondholders remain whole after the equity holders get a 90% haircut (in some cases 100%)and the taxpayer becomes THE risk taker? Agreed kaimu 'DUMP the US FED and its member banks ...' the sooner the better
FAS/ERX/LVS-> out @ 6.38/24.25/4.02..kids are ready to go
best to all for the close...
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
ALOHA !!
" ... as homeowners default and banks then repossess the homes to sell them at deep discounts."
That line is total BS ... The banks are sitting on these homes playing the "MARKET WILL RECOVER" soon game! If they are selling at all they are NOT deep discounts. In Jan 2009 I met with the CEO of Eagle Management(private company)a Southern California based company that specializes in purchase and rehab of BANK AUCTION home sales. He told me in 2003 they were buying "blocks" of foreclosures at negotiated prices with the banks at around 30 cents on the dollar. Now he says, amid all this housing crash the banks are holding the prices around 60 cents on the dollar and NOT negotiating any blocks in the Southern California markets. His company is sitting on a lot of cash and will not buy until banks will at least match block sales of 2003. These are the same banks that refuse to lend and taking US TAXPAYER sponsored bailouts. More "I want my cake and eat it too" bank mentality! More US bank mentality is: Okay lets crush the US consumer(70% of US GDP) with 16% credit card rates as they all stand in line at the unemployment office as a nice way to say, "Thanks for saving us sukkah!" HA!!
WASSUP B OF A?
Washington had the power to regulate misbehaving banks. It just
refused to use it.
Elliot Spitzer
http://www.slate.com/id/2215055/
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
gotta love HB&B
just got notice that my BofA credit card will double in interest from 7.99 to 14.99% just b/c. Glad I dont carry a balance. How torqued would you be if you actually had few grand sitting in that card. Can I call them up and say the interest we are charging them for the bailout is now double?
Get Even, another take
So what are we paying the banks for our own money?
Someone wrote (correctly) to take your cash out of the big bankrupt money center banks and move it into smaller, sound banks. I suggest places w/o stock holders to gum up the works. How about client owned banks? We call that a Credit Union (sounds socialist enough) and in most, you and your fellow clients also own the place. And you have full insurance like FDIC (don't make me laugh). I'll bet it's more sound than FDIC.
Then, take advantage of the cheap UNSECURED taxpayer money they are throwing around. Heck C and BAC will give me CC $ at 0% for a year (3% fee of course) and 1.89% for a little over two years fixed. If you have something productive to do with the cash, you should take YOUR money at 3% initial fee and then 1.89 and become productive.
It's about the only way any of us is going to be able to do anything with our own money. I'll pay it back in two years with .50 cent dollars. That Ben, what a guy.
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
Why don't you cancel their card and just use a debit from your checking account? Or get a credit card from a smaller less corrupt bank.
That's the way to pay them back!!!
Rob.
OEX
vinod, 2nd_ave: if I enter ^OEX in Yahoo, I get OEX itself but the link to its options is disabled... It would actually be great if you could report your OEX trades according to the strike price and expiration date of the calls you are buying -- it would make it much easier for the rest of us to follow.
Re: Get Even, another take
It does seem tempting but any money we take from them gives them more power.
Rob.
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
"my BofA credit card will double in interest from 7.99 to 14.99%" And this while short term rates are at historic lows :)
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
FL-
thats what I do for the most part. I use there card as a rewards gas card only.....pays back around 300 bucks a year and I am able to keep track of fuel costs. It costs me nothing since I dont carry a balance. But, your right, I should "can" them altogether for such shennanigans.
Re: Get Even, another take
If everyone switched their money into small (ideally private) community banks the too big to fail banks would vanish. Their main claim in too big to fail is that too many people still do business with them.
If you're serious about ending big bank tyranny and hopefully someday abolishing the FED then the first step is to stop doing any kind of business with them.
Rob.
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
You don't cancel cards if you like your FICO score.
Cut it up, but don't cancel.
You strengthen the smaller banks with capital and weaken the larger banks with unsecured debt. The smaller sound banks aren't going to lend it as unsecured CC debt unless it's to someone that doesn't need it or can already pay it back. And if the S hits the fan and we all go belly up, it's unsecured to C or BAC! Tell em' to call Angelo for the $.
You want *your* money in your little credit union to be safe and sound with secured loans.....right?
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
Not using their credit is the only way we really have to attack them. They are the ones who started this war as far as I'm concerned. I was happy charging and paying off my Citibank card and getting the 300 dividend dollars every year until I saw how they really do business. Now I figure they can't pay me enough for me to hold their card. They couldn't even pay me enough to take a loan from them. And that goes for BAC, JPM, GS, MS, COF, and any other too big to fail welfare case bank.
If they want to win back my support it's easy. Fire every high level manager. Pay back every cent with interest stolen from the taxpayers. Show me exactly what your assets and liabilities are including everything you're involved in.
The private bank where I keep our money has no problem meeting these requests. How about you Citi? or JPM? or BAC?
Rob.
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
Rob-
your starting to make me feel guilty.
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
If we charge about 1-3K per month and pay off the balance every month, that sounds like a great income stream for a credit union or small bank.
And while taking unsecured loans from the big banks and then just not paying them back sounds tempting, it still is supporting their business.
You guys, of course, are free to do what you want. I just think that if you're against what the big banks are doing with the approval of Congress and the President, then the only real way we can fight them is to refuse their credit.
Rob.
UCO
Look at UCO go... Anyone holding 9-10 straddles, rollover started today and lasts another 3 days, which I take it is Monday. Probably the best period to be in them and this happens every month. I also have P7.50s.
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
I don't mean to :) I just want all of us to make informed decisions as consumers. Banking is just like any other product in the basic sense that we get to choose who to buy from. If I don't like Home Depot, I can go to Lowe's. And If I don't like either, I can go to my locally owned hardware store. I may pay more for the local service but I know the owners and their kids and I'm not just a number there.
We all have the power to destroy these corrupt banks if we all pull our money and bring it closer to home.
Rob.
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
ALOHA !!
Exactly ... refuse their credit and vote out the entire US CONgress and Presidential regime now in power! Imagine the message that would send to these criminals?
Good point Rob, bring your money back to your community ... that's RESILIENT COMMUNITY thinking ...
Speaking of criminals ...
Pretty soon the TEA BAG REVOLT will start just prior to TAX DAY(April 15th, next Wednesday) against the IRS ... Make sure you have some cheap tea bags on hand! Don't give them the nice Starbucks Chai Tea or Tetleys Premium! Used Lipton Orange Pekoe is my choice! HA!!
Oops did I say "used"? I meant "pre-owned"!! HA!!
Re: OEX
David
yes, it did not work with yahoo
i use fidelity
but you can try at http://www.quotemedia.com/results.php?qm_page=4786...
OEWPR was april 390 put
hope this will help?
Re: FRX
TOF- Took a look last night...OK, in @ 21.57
Back from client meeting. Where is the volume?
Am i wrong? Seems like volume on most Cara 100 are below avg thus far with 80 minutes to go.
Most active
http://tinyurl.com/dnhb9w
C 273M shares (little more than half of avg vol)
BAC 182M shares traded (less than half avg vol)
FAS 141M shares traded(on pace with avg)
QQQQ 103M shares traded (on pace)
SPY 181M shares traded (half)
F 82M shares traded (double)
GE 78M shares traded (half)
WFC 74M shares traded (half)
Prec metals
GLD 8M shares (1/4)
GG 6.8M (1/3)
ABX 8.9M (1/2)
KGC 6M (2/3)
SLV 6.2M (1/2)
SLW 2.8M (1/3)
TNA
Basically re-bought the shares I sold yesterday @ 20.60 for 18.85.
Edit: Added @ 18.56 at the close.
TEA BAG REVOLT
ALOHA !!
Wasn't that the name, "TEA BAG", of one of the escaped prisoners on the TV show PRISON BREAK? I nominate him as POSTER BOY for the TEA BAG REVOLT!! Who better to represent the US TAXPAYER to the IRS than a prisoner named TEA BAG?
Hummmm???
"Bank Stress Test Results Delayed For Earnings"
http://tinyurl.com/celzog
"The U.S. Treasury Department is planning to delay the release of any completed bank stress test results until after the first-quarter earnings season to avoid complicating stock market reaction, a source familiar with Treasury's discussions said Tuesday."
Top 10 Reasons To Own Physical Silver
A few favourites...
One, the near-term emotional temperature of the market is low. There is no bullish "fever" where uniformed investors are driven to buy silver because of a sharply rising price. That will happen, but it’s not true now. While silver is still above the price lows of last fall and higher than year-end prices, the recent price action is nothing to write home about. The price has been below most of the important moving averages, causing silver to be "oversold." This is a much better time to buy than when prices have already climbed and many are buying just because prices are rising. At those times the risk of a sharp sell-off is high. Now the risk of a prolonged price decline is much lower. Now is the time to buy low.
Reasons nine and ten, silver prices are cheap on several important objective measurements. Silver is cheap compared to its own recent price. It is down more than 40% from its highs of one year ago, in spite of the strongest physical demand in history. More investment silver has been purchased over the past year than at any other period in history. At precisely the same time that prices have declined so sharply, more ETF-type buying has occurred than ever before and more Silver Eagles have been sold by the US Mint than ever before. We have witnessed the highest premiums on all retail forms of silver in history. This isn’t just me saying silver is cheap, this is the investment world voting with its collective wallet. Clearly, there is something wrong with this picture that can only be explained by manipulation on the COMEX and the OTC market by a few giant financial institutions, led by JPMorgan.
http://tinyurl.com/cqwnsg
Did you know everyone is fearful of earnings?
Every headline reads this way on major "news" sites. um, we all know earnings will suck. we have known this for months. i am a rookie but it feels like they are selling fear to steal shares today, in setup of some "they didnt do as bad as we thought" type rallying.
just my opinion.
Re: Did you know everyone is fearful of earnings?
NYU- A dicey play, but I agree. See RAX today? +13% on Goldman "buy". Now @ 8.36.
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
Thanks! I know us little guys don't have one Iota of power compared to the big banks but each Iota standing together can add up to quite a force.
We better be careful though since we both voted for Ron Paul and are advocating extinguishing the too big to fail banks. We're both being put on watch lists you can bet.
It will be worth it if we can inspire enough people to take control of their finances and only support the banks who earn being supported. Then let these big banks come back begging for our deposits and I'll reiterate the three conditions they must meet to win my business.
It's time they relearn who's in charge. It's not the money changer. It's the money earner.
Rob.
Re: Did you know everyone is fearful of earnings?
That's what my take is as well. Mild sell-off until they realize earnings aren't totally evaporating quite yet. Plus, like Meredith said in that video, some big banks will declare small profits this quarter.
I still don't understand how they can declare a profit while holding all the taxpayer money they're holding to meet capital ratios. But it's likely just another part of their fantasy balance sheets, like holding dubious assets at 95 cents on the dollar when everyone knows these "assets" have to be an 85 at the most.
Rob.
M2M
Does any one have a schedule of this M2M thing? It was on vote last week but again no follow up this week.
I do not want to make commitment to either side of the market before the pending issue is over (the uptick rule as well). It is quite disturbing. Hard see how the market is going to react to it,even the move might be just temporarily. Since I am a short term trader, so I do care about those fluctuations.
Thanks every one.
Re: Did you know everyone is fearful of earnings?
I agree. If i were king i would let them all go under. but i remain a peasant so i have to play by their rules and try to squeeze profits out where i can. My instincts, looking at overall market volume, says today was controlled accumulation by hb&b.
Re: M2M
Its already voted on. Banks who have their ducks in a row will report higher asset values vs going to a natural market price, in Q1 results.
Re: Lutnick GETS it.........
I'll add my two cents that used to be approximately a dollar...
Dump the non-constitutionally sanctioned fed!
Re: M2M
Uptick rule change to be rolled out tomorrow....Plan? Implementation time frame?
Re: M2M
NYUGrad, thanks for your clarification.
I thought it was still in some process.
whoops...
hope we rally here, just punched a trade (short IWM April 42 puts) with an extra zero on the number of contracts I meant to buy...
Re: Cara 100 Ratings Changes
I still need to switch out four companies in the Cara 100. I am finally getting caught up, so expect the tables to change in a day or two.
Re: M2M
I can be wrong so never trust someone on the web blindly.
Article
http://tinyurl.com/d3w5os
Watch M Whitney from yest. Note even the headline reads "Bearish note on banks" yet the sentiment was actually quite a reversal from Whitney's norm.
http://tinyurl.com/d2pfrn
I am simply watching volume and the reaction to AA earnings to tell me the story.
puts on ultra-longs
SiO2: I was thinking about the statement you made about puts on ultra-longs performing worse than puts on the underlying indexes, and I am wondering if you could give some examples of that. I am in the business of selling puts, so this would be very helpful for me (and for many others as well) -- thanks!
Re: OEX
Thanks, vinod! OEX "demystified" :)
Re: M2M
I do not think the uptick rule will have the same impact as M2M. It is just like the ban on naked short,a purely trading technique thing. But I just do not want to hold a position when the news hits market.
I was short selling financial stocks on Sep 18 last year, when the ban on naked short thing announced. Got hurt pretty badly, I covered the position with some losses when price pulled back some next morning (fortunately not at the top at opening). In a week, the downtrend resumed. However, you never know how much further a position can go against you before it turns, so I still think I did right to lock the losses. I think it is ok to initial new position when hysteria is at its extreme,but not a good idea to hold a losing position against it.
Re: puts on ultra-longs
Hi David. I have a few articles about this http://shockedinvestor.blogspot.com/2009/01/perfor..., and http://shockedinvestor.blogspot.com/2009/03/option... which was in response to someone asking the same question here not long ago.
More recently, oldgoat bought bought XLF and FAZ straddles I think (discussed on skype), you can ask him too what happened.
If buying options is bad, selling them must be good :-) (as long as..., maybe people will beat me up for saying it again so I won't).
Re: plan for the best outcome as well as the worst
1airbornevet' Welcome aboard. Now do you think you could take this crew higher?
Don't be shy in communicating here. I think it's just a matter of confidence. When newbies write a few words and don't get their heads handed back to them (it happens, but usually by me on a bad hair day), they soon come back for more. In time, with practice, some even become outstanding communicators. It happens quickest to those who just relax and be themselves.
I do have your interests at heart, but so too do so many others who share here. We pretty quickly sense the newbies who do not, and welcome in the rest.
Everyday
it seems I get a lesson or 2 in trading.
Re: plan for the best outcome as well as the worst
BILL
I may have missed it, but did you finalize a date for next years conference? Thanks as always for what you provide here.
FWIW, I liked the valentines week idea, because I could bring the wife along and sell the whole thing as a Valentines get-a-way.
but i remain a peasant
I have talked with a customer of mine, another local dissaffected. Came to a mutualjumping off point, so..... Am starting a "SERFS UP" movement
Ideas welcome from all strata (or stratum)
peace (may have to lose that wish in the future)
buying GM
16 bits
shaking out C?
It seems like a headfake to me. Why are they shaking down C right at the end?
UYG SSO
Just picked up some before the close. We'll see if AA screws me or helps me. Low volume selling for two days could still resolve either way in my view.
Rob.
Re: uptick rule
Feels to me, whatever they come up with will be largely taken by the market as non-event. Everyone knows announcement is coming tomorrow, drafts are flying all over, and market doesn't show any covering frenzy... One of factors to consider is, if changes are complicated and cumbersome enough, implementation time will have to accommodate the reasonable needs to adjust software, so there will be sufficient time to evaluate and react. Most likely, however, there will be not much to react on.
URE
Rookie trade: Bought 2K URE @2.70 for an overnight hold.
Cara Bahamas 2010 Conference
The hotel ("Our Lucaya" in Freeport) is checking for dates at Martin Luther King Jr. Day weekend -- third Monday in January. The weather (dry and sunny) would be slightly warmer in Feb and March, but hey it's only 70 miles due east from West Palm Beach and the resort does have heated swimming pools if that's your thing. And you can swim up to the bar. Anyway, people from Canada can't wait to jump in the ocean on any day here, so Jan is ok for them -- the ocean will be about 70F or 21C, and the air will be slightly less than Nassau's January average of 77F or 25C. The days are usually close in temp to Nassau, but the evenings drop a little more. Trust me, from where most people will be coming from, the weather will be terrific, and the hospitality will keep you warm during the occasional cold front that shoots down from Canada.
After a date is set, we'll have a code number and discount rate to use with hotel bookings. Jim Watt will have to negotiate this, but we'll do our best so that we can get everybody to stay in the resort, even if some have to share with one or two others. This is a 1260-room resort. Wouldn't it be nice to fill it? We'd get a terrific rate!
Funky D and Henry Moss have confirmed already, and we'll be looking to bring in the Royal Bahamas Defense Force marching band as well as Junkanoo, steel drum band, a DJ, etc.
AA
Swing and a miss, but gaining after hours...
Wealth-Ed
Great post!! I look forward to reading more from you. I have added a link to your blog in the blogroll of my Fiancnail Advice website - http://www.wealth-ed.com could you please do the same? Thank you for your time and consideration!!!
-Brian M.
Re: buying GM
Ford, yes; GM, hell no.
http://tinyurl.com/cmd53z
Ford has a successful covertible debt program underway which is lifting the stock. On the other hand, Obama is showing off Waggoner's head to his staff as GM is announcing today a partnership with the two-wheeled Segway Company, another liability that already happened, to build a clown car while UAW workers gather pitch forks and stones in preparation to gather outside GM's headquarters within the glass towers of the RenCen in downtown Detroit. Less than 60 days left.
http://tinyurl.com/dxwome
Central Fund of Canada Limited
Issueing stock overnight.
bought some FAS after hours at $6.17
Given the shakeout right before the close, I think the chances of an up day tomorrow have increased.
MOS earnings
earnings 58.8 mil, or 0.13 per diluted share; cash position 2.5 Bil
http://ca.sys-con.com/node/911681
After hours immediately traded down below close of 42.95, then bounced up over 43, now trending down, trade at 16:30 @ 41.94
Re: bought some FAS after hours at $6.17
ditto
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
Haven't we been expecting an impact from the Alt-A loans and option arms starting to reset this spring through 2009 and in to 2010? I've read these loan defaults could be worse, but that was last summer. Also, more of these originated in CA? Anyone who knows more about the Alt-A's and option arms I'd like to hear it.
Re: buying GM
GM-Segway looks very much like a rickshaw.
Re: bought some FAS after hours at $6.17
David
I was watching SKF all afternoon and it had a very narrow range until the last ten minutes. It shot up $2 with 2 million shares. Looks like somebody is setting up for tomorrow.
Picked up some C right at the end @2.74
Just felt like a planned shakeout for a move tomorrow.
I agree w/ Vad in that the uptick news is already out and people know all about it so it may be a nonevent. However, this market just seems to me to be looking for a reason to buck up a little. It may crater one day soon but right now it's doing an impression of the Little Engine That Could. IMO
Re: bought some FAS after hours at $6.17
Excellent point Eagle. During the last 15 minutes:
XLF: -1.7%
UYG: -3.5%
SKF: +2.3% (combined loss of 1.2%)
FAS: -4.3%
FAZ: +3.7% (combined loss of 1.4%)
Anyone caught with their pants down holding these things intra-day can suffer big losses too.
Bed Bath & Beyond reported and is up after hours
http://tinyurl.com/ceqa29
EDIT: I have not stepped foot in one for the past 12+ months. I typically check out Target and or Walmart for similar goods.
Re: uptick rule
An astute observation. This rule will do nothing to discourage the more astute short sellers, yielding nothing for the powers-that-be.
That said, I don't hear anyone complaining about "aggressive stock buying", so clearly these clowns have an upward bias and an interventionist agenda.
Let's hear the kazoo salute the "free market".
Oh and another thing
I never hear anyone sugesting that the borrow-provisions related to short selling are onerous, which they are.
I contend that the ability to short or long with impugnity creates the "freest" market, as well as the market most reflective of the popular conception of value at any given time.
Re: Oh and another thing
Upward bias surely exists at all levels which is understandable even though contradictive to the market's nature. After all, it's upward move that increases the value of investments, pensions, all kinds of funds, so it's kind of hard to blame people who want the markets to go up.
As for onerous character of borrow-provisions... I don't know, I don't see it this way. If you sell something you don't own, you need to borrow it - what's wrong with it? And, if you borrow it, you must be able to return it when it's being claimed by its rightful owner.
Selling something you don't have and don't borrow (aka naked shorting) increases supply with no limit thus distorting the process of price discovery - which is not at its finest as it is with all the interventions.
Re: Central Fund of Canada Limited
thanks for this
trading 10.55-10.65
http://www.etfconnect.com/select/fundpages/sectors...
there goes 10% of the premium
I may swap my GLD/SLV if in narrows any more
Re: Stock Correlator
Nice tool, SiO2. Thanks
AA: come out roll
Large number of line bets both before and after the come out roll, which has obviously succeeded. Point feels more like a 4 or 10, however. I don't know that I would be stacking odds prior to tomorrow morning. JMO.
Re: Central Fund of Canada Limited
Somebody mentioned a few days ago that when the premium gets to around 20% CEF has a habit of raising funds. I think it was around 17% when the post was made.
Re: Oh and another thing
Government has probably reached critical mass. Unfortunately they aggravated the situation by sending too many jobs overseas while investing zip in infrastructure over the last 2 decades, not to mention they started two wars strictly for personal reasons. They don't care we know about this because they have isolated themselves from the wrath of our slings and arrows. At least there's an effort to address the healthcare crisis issue, but I can't help believe this reflects back into the past and correlates with forces that ultimately culminated with the current demise (poor governmental decision making process). Poor, unemployed, and uneducated don't add to the bottom line, and these problems aren't being addressed while the focus remains on containing the damage caused by lack of fiscal discipline.
next 6 months update
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(a) we are here.
(b) Chickenpookie est (600 - S&P 500)
Re: puts on ultra-longs
SiO2, you have observed that puts options on ultra-longs don't rise 3X in value relative to the options on the underlying index when that index falls. I think this is expected and consistent with the way the options are priced. After taking a closer look at how the options are priced, it actually seems to me that it is more preferable to sell puts on XLF than on FAS.
For example, XLF closed today at $9.15 and FAS closed today at $6.11. The May $9 XLF put closed today at $0.85 while the May $6 FAS put closed today at $1.35. If I sell 10 contracts of the FAS puts (for $1350) and the shares are assigned to me, then I'll have $4650 invested in FAS. If I sell 17 contracts of the XLF puts (for $1445) and the shares are assigned to me, then I'll have $13855 invested in XLF, which is about 3X the FAS exposure and hence represents an approximately the same level of risk (if the options are exercised). Notice that the premium I collect from these puts is also approximately the same. However, XLF needs to drop 11% now to get to $8.15 (if XLF drops further than that, I will start losing money as a seller of puts) while FAS needs to drop 24% now to get to $4.85 (if FAS drops further than that, I will start losing money as a seller of puts). As such, FAS will get faster to the point where I will start losing money than XLF if the market were to decline.
Let's look at another set of options. The May $8 XLF put closed today at $0.47 while the May $5 FAS put closed today at $0.85. If I sell 10 contracts of the FAS puts (for $850) and the shares are assigned to me, then I'll have $4150 invested in FAS. If I sell 17 contracts of the XLF puts (for $799) and the shares are assigned to me, then I'll have $12801 invested in XLF, which is about 3X the FAS exposure and hence represents an approximately the same level of risk (if the options are exercised). Notice that the premium I collect from these puts is also approximately the same. However, XLF needs to drop 18% now to get to $7.53 (if XLF drops further than that, I will start losing money as a seller of puts) while FAS needs to drop 32% now to get to $4.15 (if FAS drops further than that, I will start losing money as a seller of puts). As such, FAS will get faster to the point where I will start losing money than XLF if the market were to decline.
So based on the above analysis, I am tempted to conclude that it is more preferable to sell puts on XLF than on FAS.
The additional complexity in the above analysis is that, as I have posted before, a $10K position in FAS will lose less in absolute dollars than a $30K position in XLF if the market were to undergo a multi-day decline. Hence, even though FAS will get faster to the point where I'll start losing money as an options seller, the magnitude of the final loss in the event of a serious multi-day market decline resulting selling 10 contracts of FAS puts might be comparable to the one resulting from selling 17 contracts of the XLF puts. On the other hand, I can pocket approximately the same volatility premium from selling FAS and XLF puts while putting up less cash as a collateral for the FAS puts.
So overall I would say the market mechanism works rather well in valuing these puts and their prices actually reflect the true ambivalence of the large-volume players (who build good models for analyzing the risk/reward outcomes in different future scenarios) between FAS and XLF puts.
Re: Oh and another thing
Regarding naked short selling, one thing I have never understood is why short selling is allowed to exist outside of general market rules that provide transparency.
Why is it that there is printed data of whom the largest fund shareholders are but not who is the largest short-seller? How come you have to make SEC filings when you have acquired a certain percentage of a company but not when you have shorted that same percentage of the company?
Why is there no transparent market for the cost to borrow shares? If shares of a certain company are difficult to borrow shouldn't it be reflected in a transparent secondary market where there is a fluctuating cost to borrow shares?
Re: buying GM
At least the rickshaw has a sacrificial human crumple zone.
Nikkei down 180 to 8652
http://tinyurl.com/cc9d2e
Market usually react
Market usually react positively near good Friday and also gives good feeling on ester it reminds all of us how important it is to cherish the time like ester
Re: next 6 months update
FredC- What happened to my 'x'- it should be moved slightly (back) down the first incline ;) (I'm estimating 940 for the S&P500 at the first peak.)
what is this thing really?
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A) A parade of witches
B) A Christmas tree farm
C) The way a shark looks when you're standing just in front of it:)
Re: Market usually react
Who's ester?
Re: what is this thing really? (put the Stoli down first, Vad)
LOL. It's probably a hand-out from one of Vad's presentations? [The one with the ambiguous interpretation(s)]...
Re: Bear Interviews On BNN.ca
Nouriel Roubini, Eric Sprott:
http://watch.bnn.ca/the-close/april-2009/the-close...
Meredith Whitney, Ian Gordon:
http://watch.bnn.ca/squeezeplay/april-2009/squeeze...
And no screaming and yelling!
Re: what is this thing really? (put the Stoli down first, Vad)
I start thinking you were secretly there
....
On second thought, no... if you were, you'd know that's how I look after 5th Jack Daniels
Genevieve Roch-Decter
Only on BNN would you have an analyst on commodities who looks (and sounds) like Brittany Spears, decked out in evening wear, anxious to get off-stage for a late dinner engagement, making a whole lot 'o sense:
http://watch.bnn.ca/#clip158856
Re: Stock Correlator
Mackinaw: thanks.
Re: what is this thing really? (put the Stoli down first, Vad)
Yep...thanks to Vad, me and Jack reconciled (at least for one night) after a 30 year separation.
Re: what is this thing really? (put the Stoli down first, Vad)
That was pure self-defense on my part. You tried to pour Stoli in me, and I vaguely remembered that I had to speak in the morning, so diversion tactics were deployed.
Slip Sliding around
On this blog we see one angle of the corruption in the finance field. In looking further around, for example, in the tech field, we find systematic raids upon the infrastructure that are used in communication..
FBI Raids: http://tinyurl.com/d7dx53
Raids that appear illegal and not only illegal but pointless technically, done socially used to further enrich corruption in the corporate world. (read the comments in the Wired story, they have additional telling insights to the raid)
In copyright, we see whole countries, such as France and New Zealand as example implementing draconian internet restrictions: that will impact every person to stop a problem that really doesn't exist as it's portrayed. But will end up walling entire western countries tighter than China does at the consumer level rather than the national level.
We can use awareness to feel the fabric of society, to look at the trends. I read our posts here and add that into my consideration of trends. Since this blog closely follows the money, and money is power. The whole monetary system is being abused and we are the victims.
and so I sat here for 30 minutes just pondering
social equity
Bill: I don't think it is possible to have large scale social equity under the current or near term set of conditions present. Social equity in this system can only be had, when a person moves to the side of the larger system, and selectively partakes as required to support oneself (much as you teach in this blog by helping share advice to areas which this can be done within)
I remind myself: It's not for us to bring order to the chaos. But to simply walk to side and continue to be part of our community and help those this community. That in effect becomes our definition for social equity.
excuse my rambling, I was doing my 6 month reality check on social equity.
Most Bullish Chart
O.k, here's the challenge: Post the most bullish chart you can right now, not for a single stock, but for a sector, country, major index, bond index, commodity price, etc., and it needs some upside.
Here's mine - and it looks like an interesting entry point right now (if suppport holds):
http://tinyurl.com/c2bte
Re: what is this thing really? (put the Stoli down first, Vad)
that's how I look after 5th Jack Daniels
An entire 5th? It wouldn't matter what you look like by that point...
Re: puts on ultra-longs
David, the way I think when buying options is how to best obtain the best bang for my buck. If I have $1k to invest, then I'd need to choose whether to use XLF or FAS/FAZ options. I invest a fixed $1k either way.
As a buyer of options, the biggest movements will be in the XLF options, not in the FAS/FAZ options, therefore I should buy XLF, while most people intuitively would think that they should buy FAS/FAZ to get the biggest movement. You get smaller movement with FAS/FAZ options on a percentage basis.
In my case, I never want options exercise, ever. Maybe others think like me, that can affect your strategy.
Re: AA: come out roll
How come all of a sudden I think I'm the grape at the table?
Trading positions now...TNA@(avg.) 19.21, FAS @ 6.11, ROM @(avg) 24.01 USD@ (avg) 15.33.
Hey, at least I put myself out there for everyone's amusement!
BTW, this grape has some pretty tough skin, so the press better be set high.
Re: Most Bullish Chart
Nice looking chart, how about this one?
http://tinyurl.com/c8envh
Re: what is this thing really? (put the Stoli down first, Vad)
hehe, that's awesome nemo! I believe Jack was my first introduction to spirits, and you can imagine how that went. So yeah, it was about 15 years before we made amends.
Re: what is this thing really? (put the Stoli down first, Vad)
That's the problem with Americans...I can't remember if it was Johnny, Jimmy or Jack. I have to listen to that wholesome American rocker George Thorogood to get the names straight...at least I know Johnny's cousins are Blackie and Red.
Re: Most Bullish Chart
Mack & CP, both nice charts, how about copper?
http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.pnf?chart=$COPPER,PMTBDANRBO[PA][D][F1!3!!!1!20]&pref=G
edit: try this on, forgot this site does not like $ or ! in the URL's
http://tinyurl.com/c3vmqb
Local currencies
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2009-04-05-s...
Re: puts on ultra-longs
David,
ISTM you reach two differing conclusions in your analysis. If I'm understanding you correctly, you conclude that you can pocket the same volatility with FAS but risk less collateral. However, at the beginning it seems like you believe selling puts on XLF is the right call.
FAS will reach your pain point faster than XLF during a decline but your collateral risk to play XLF is larger.
Did I read your analysis correctly?
Can someone explain to me what I just read
in this release???????? Please????
Who is the group of investors????
Can this be true????????
Is AIG getting 5 billion more Tax Payer dollars??????
Who determines this crap????????
What collateral is in this deal for the Tax Payers??????
How much is the proceeds??????
Did AIG receive funds from the Tax Payers, or the "federal government"?????
Why does the Fed and AIG reps decline to comment???????
When will AIG pay back bailout funds??????
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
The Federal Reserve will extend a $5 billion line of credit to International Lease Finance Corp., American International Group Inc.'s (AIG) aircraft leasing unit, Bloomberg reported Tuesday, citing three people familiar with the matter. The move is meant to prepare the unit for a sale to a group of investors, the proceeds from which will help AIG pay back bailout funds it received from the federal government. Fed and AIG representatives declined to comment.
Re: AA: come out roll
Come on, man. At least you play the game. You ALWAYS play the (fair) odds behind the line bet. But it takes time to read the crowd, and after-hours didn't do it for me. No one stacks black and purple chips until a rhythm is established.
Re: what is this thing really? (put the Stoli down first, Vad)
Just reach for the http://www.monkeyshoulder.com/
Re: Mr. Parsons
Such bladerdash from insider big whigs attempting to deflect blame from their sponsorship of the 'credit blow up balloon party' is incredible and incorribigle. Does the chairman think we are all that stupid?
Re: puts on ultra-longs
CS- This is just my take on David's analysis: In the end, all options are fairly priced, and it's impossible to find an edge. Otherwise, one could arbitrage the difference. Unlike playing the 3x funds v the underlying, when playing the options it matters little which one you pick. At least, that was my impression of his last paragraph. But I'll let David clarify his own post.
Re: Most Bullish Chart
ArG!!!! Darn, I forgot about the Copper turn. That is a majorly sweet chart, Quasi.
And CP caught this one right at the turn at the New Year - Platinum:
http://tinyurl.com/chzwl5
Re: Mr. Parsons
loannetter- With you I'm never certain if it was a typo or an intentional typo. Of course, in person my preference is for balderdash over bladder dash any day ;)
Re: Mr. Parsons (Oh, I forgot to warn Vad to set the glass down)
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Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
Yes, it's true, Otis, that the rate at which ARMS are adjusting is almost directly proportional to the rates of foreclosures in certain states. CA was a great breeding ground but there were many many ARMS originated in Florida, Michigan, Arizona, Nevada and basically anywhere Countrywide or Washington Mutual, Bear Stearns, Wachovia and their kin resided or offered wholesale loans to folks like me (broker world). The Pay Option ARMS were the worst offenders in the ALT -A world due to negative amortization factor which most people didn't understand and by the time they figured out what was going on their houses were worth less than their mortgages. The rates of default of which banks and which loan types are oddly being kept quiet (ie the specifics) because the banks who funded them have mostly resold onto Freddie/Fannie and the CDS maket and in so doing washed their hands of 'the problem'. Only now their servicing arms are struggling with a huge mountain of Loan Modification requests from these very folks they talked into ARMS who by the way can't qualify now that their homes are worth less than their mortgages. I daresay you could plot urban blight in large circles around Countrywide offices.
Here's a new twist: today I heard that one failed bank (National City in this case) had their loans downgraded and auctioned off ...so some were sold back to local banks for a fraction of their original numeric value. A few lucky borrowers are getting amazing deals (lower balances) as the bubbles pop. In these situations, the bank holding a 2nd got zilch and the (second, third) 1st loan holder took quite a hit so NOW the local bank is very happy to have the gleaned smaller loan back in their stable. Imagine selling something over and over until it's worth LESS along the way so only the last guy and the first guy are the only ones who make money?
Re: AA: come out roll
FD- I'm bullish as hell. But after getting played by the market last October, I'm determined to play every twist and turn/dip and rise (as best I can) on the path to higher portfolio values.
Re: Most Bullish Chart
Copper is good, I'm holding TCK for this but maybe PCU would be a bit safer since debt is such a show stopper these days. Itching to know which 4 Bill's kicking from the hot tub....
Re: puts on ultra-longs
2nd -
Hmmm...so you're saying I can't crib off others' hard work and find some free lunch that has so far eluded the big money boys? Shucks. :-)
I agree with the overall thought that it appears options are fairly priced. I guess my bias is to protect my capital so a chance to pocket the same volatility premium with less at-risk collateral intrigued me - if that's the right thought to pull from David's info.
Re: AA: come out roll
2nd- My FD, as you probably know. Pocketed all of my brown chips a couple of weeks ago. Yes, a little early. Now scattering some greens (seeds, love the analogy) around. Isn't this whole set up a little too easy? Oh no, earnings are bad! Of course we have to pull back hard here. Who wouldn't expect that??
Keeping some chips on the table focuses my attention, and pocket some winners along the way.
Biding time, waiting, watching...
Hope you are having fun with the kids. ENJOY!
Re: puts on ultra-longs
"So you're saying I can't crib off others' hard work and find some free lunch that has so far eluded the big money boys?"
No, I never said that. I like that idea, and would not hesitate to join you should the opportunity arise ;)
Re: Mr. Parsons
bladder dash was my thought while miss typing balder dash... HA!
Re: AA: come out roll
Mark- Fair enough. Just having fun with the grape press ;)
Re: AA: come out roll
grape press - Would that be the cousin of the thrashing machine or the sister of the vice?
Re: AA: come out roll
Me too. Funny reality... I make a lot of homemade wine. When grapes are put in a press, say 50 lbs are pressed, we use a cork screw (leverage). We crank this baby down as hard as we can to get every drop. Once finished, we release the basket to get rid of the skins. You have to pull the block of skins apart to get rid of it. And lo and behold, there are always a lot of grapes in the middle that are totaly whole! It never ceases to amaze me.
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
loannetter -
How are the few lucky borrowers getting amazing deals? Default?
more meredith on banks
Meredith Whitney on BNN's "The Close." She is thinking short term possible rally on banks based on a one-quarter writeup due to M2M, but overall she still sees bank asset values declining based on home price drops. She talks about cost structures based on much larger activity levels, requiring large layoffs. Later on in the clip, she talks about the death of a thousand cuts, stemming from continuous revisions in bank "peak-to-trough" estimates:
"In 4Q08 they [the banks] thought it would be 31%. Now, of course, it's 37% already. So you get one more quarter of 'special reserves.' Then you get the next quarter of 'special reserves'...Its unfortunate that investors that get their hopes up that this is the bottom just get disappointed time, and time, and time again. I'm surprised there is still this willingness to give the banks credit and think THIS is the bottom, now is time to enter. I think there's going to be a group of investors who are tempted to get back in. I hope they don't."
Traders are another story, of course. But lest anyone think Meredith is even slightly bullish on banks for the buy-and-hold crowd, this clip should disabuse you of that notion.
However, there might be a trade in there for BAC short term, because they have good back office tech which might be able to recalculate their portfolio value based on the new M2M rules in time for this earnings period.
http://watch.bnn.ca/squeezeplay/april-2009/squeeze...
Re: Most Bullish Chart
Mack and CP,
Just ran a Stockcharts scan for index charts with rising SMA's in bull mode.
[symbol contains '$']
and [SMA (10,close) > SMA (20,close)]
and [SMA (20,close) > SMA (30,close)]
and [SMA (30,close) > SMA (50,close)]
and [SMA (50,close) > SMA (100,close)]
Most of these charts look pretty good, they are plotted as 6 month charts with SMA 20, 50, 100. There are a few good areas to look at out there.
edit, oops I see we are focusing on P&F charts.
Re: AA: come out roll
CP- A very SLOW vice. But I think I've got this played right for an opening hand. Expecting some more pressure tomorrow morning for those on the outer edge of the basket.
Re: puts on ultra-longs
Corner Stone, here is what I wrote:
"However, XLF needs to drop 11% now to get to $8.15 (if XLF drops further than that, I will start losing money as a seller of puts) while FAS needs to drop 24% now to get to $4.85 (if FAS drops further than that, I will start losing money as a seller of puts)."
Since FAS is basically tied to XLF, it means that XLF needs to drop only 8% in order for FAS to drop 3*8 = 24% and reach my pain point. So, FAS will reach my pain point *faster* BUT I'll have less money at risk and so my ultimate dollar loss will be comparable if both FAS and XLF overshoot my pain point to the downside (FAS will overshoot more but the absolute dollar loss from FAS overshooting by 30% will be less than from XLF overshooting by 10%).
140 years of Bull and Bear Markets
Interesting chart and trendline of the S&P Composite 1871 to present.
http://tinyurl.com/d6xss6
How Bear Markets End
http://tinyurl.com/d36c9u
The scary part is that the S&P is now trading about in-line with its long-term price trend after 15 years of trading above it. So even if we have put in the bear-market bottom, it is likely that the S&P will eventually trade below trend for a considerable period of time.
Re: puts on ultra-longs
2nd_ave, your are approximately right in your assessment of my analysis. There are some mathematical differences between the behaviors of options on ultra-longs and on the underlying indexes, but these differences lie in different dimensions (e.g., how quickly you start losing money vs. the amount of capital you need to back up those puts), with each dimension being more important to some traders but not others. So basically you need to think what you prefer the most and act accordingly.
Bank Stress Test Results Delayed For Earnings
The U.S. Treasury Department is planning to delay the release of any completed bank stress test results until after the first-quarter earnings season to avoid complicating stock market reaction, a source familiar with Treasury's discussions said Tuesday.
The Treasury is still talking about how results of the regulatory stress tests on the 19 largest U.S. banks will be released, and may disclose them as summary results that are not institution-specific, the source said.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/30090718
So initially the goal was, raise confidence by increasing transparency and see where the bodies are buried. Now it would seem they are finding out that there are a whole lot of bodies! So instead of reporting accurately, they will say - what, exactly? "There are lots of bodies, but we won't tell you where?" Yeah, that will help confidence all right.
The truth is out there. But the people in power really don't want YOU to see this truth unless its good news, and unfortunately, it's not.
Your Tax Dollars At Work
Re: Most Bullish Chart
Mack and CP
OK here's the same list of charts in the P&F format, its a big image so I reduced the quality a little to shrink the size, but its still pretty easy to scroll thru.
Re: Genevieve Roch-Decter
How quaint that we should believe the prognostications of a young woman with all the charisma of an undertaker who can spout ad nauseaum exactly what the banks would like us to believe about China.
At the very least, China has deminished in our eyes as the saviour of western civilisation and our ideology of free markets based on cheap labour in foreign lands, to a communist country that has lots of money and buys stuff simply because.
GIVE IT UP. Its at least the umpteenth attempt at the defibrillation of the recently collapsed commodity bubble.
soros interview
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/04/george-soros-...
Re: Mortgage Delinquencies Soar
Dr Strangelove, The cases I've heard of getting these deals are folks in or very near default--and by virtue of having a lawyer or loan modifier on their case. Vee Haff VAYS (apparently) of not getting foreclosed. I hear Chapter 7 followed by Chapter 13 works like a charm. On the other hand if you had an Indymac or National City predatory Arm you probably got out because they admitted guilt in advance....handy!
CNBC's Jim Cramer has another
CNBC's Jim Cramer has another feud on his hands.
http://tinyurl.com/dzkgmg
April 7 (Bloomberg) -- Marc
April 7 (Bloomberg) -- Marc Faber, the investor who recommended buying U.S. stocks before the steepest rally in more than 70 years, said the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index may drop as much as 10 percent before resuming gains.
The measure may decline to about 750 and rebound after July, Faber, 63, said in a Bloomberg Television interview in Singapore. Global stock markets are unlikely to fall below their October and November lows, he said.
Re: more meredith on banks
Aw comeon what's a little predatory lending among friends? After these guys dump their stupidities--with their friends in higher places promising not to prosecute....what the hay? SUCKUP a few banksters for fun and profit?! I do hear a few hardy souls ARE preparing to go after certain lenders for the very things they said they didn't do. News at 11. How about that tea party?
Re: April 7 (Bloomberg) -- Marc
makes sense, if 780 breaches 750 is the next level
Re: April 7 (Bloomberg) -- Marc
Common, people... Have you EVER seen ANY trades security reach the level at which everyone wanted to buy it and then turn around? It either shot right through that level and went MUCH deeper that anyone had expected or it turned around without reaching that level. I think that it is unlikely that the next plunge to new lows started on Monday. Therefore, I think that S&P will turn around sooner than people expect (tomorrow we might see the lowest point in this pullback). Having said that, I *am* keeping my last stash of cash to deploy when S&P reaches 750. :)
MORE
ALOHA !!
LOOK!! DA PLANE !!!
Here we have basically what I have been describing here to the PARTY FAITHFUL for some 25 years now! This is why I voted PEROT and RON PAUL ...
If you vote DEM and REP this is what you get!
From Glenn Greenwald:
"Rubin, Summers and Greenspan succeeded in inducing Congress -- funded, of course, by these same financial firms -- to enact legislation blocking the CFTC from regulating these derivative markets. More amazingly still, the CFTC, headed back then by Born, is now headed by Obama appointee Gary Gensler, a former Goldman Sachs executive (naturally) who was as instrumental as anyone in blocking any regulations of those derivative markets (and then enriched himself by feeding on those unregulated markets).
Just think about how this works. People like Rubin, Summers and Gensler shuffle back and forth from the public to the private sector and back again, repeatedly switching places with their GOP counterparts in this endless public/private sector looting. When in government, they ensure that the laws and regulations are written to redound directly to the benefit of a handful of Wall St. firms, literally abolishing all safeguards and allowing them to pillage and steal. Then, when out of government, they return to those very firms and collect millions upon millions of dollars, profits made possible by the laws and regulations they implemented when in government. Then, when their party returns to power, they return back to government, where they continue to use their influence to ensure that the oligarchical circle that rewards them so massively is protected and advanced. This corruption is so tawdry and transparent -- and it has fueled and continues to fuel a fraud so enormous and destructive as to be unprecedented in both size and audacity -- that it is mystifying that it is not provoking more mass public rage."END
Link to Greenwald article: http://tinyurl.com/degsmk
What Greenwald fails to mention when he says "these Wall Street firms" is that these firms are the exact member banks of the US FED, which is the same as saying that these banks ARE the US FED!
ELIMINATE THE US FED ...
RUBIN was the FATHER of the stated "STRONG DOLLAR POLICY" developed during the Clinton era, which was nothing more than having central banks sell gold to suppress the price of gold to make the US Dollar(and by collaboration all other global Fiat)look ... strong!
GOVERNMENT IS ONLY AS HONEST AS ITS MONEY ...
Levels Galore
http://ronsen.blogspot.com/2009/04/level-headed.html
Levels of lore so we're a little less blind...
Re: CNBC's Jim Cramer has another
ALOHA !!
vinod ... Whats new? Not only has CRAMER failed to predict bottoms but he was touting BEAR STEARNS as a BUY on Friday and it collapsed over the weekend!
There should be a counter CRAMER show called "MAD "REAL" MONEY"!! Where gold and silver and commodities are touted!
Or a TV SHOW where all the losers who bought all CRAMER'S ... BOTTOMS and BUYS can mouth off to CRAMER and call the TV SHOW just ... "MAD"!
In actuality I would not be too put off if both Roubini and Cramer just SHUT UP!
Re: Slip Sliding around
Of course, Casey and I are cut, philosophically, from the same thread. The system is the system, and will always be the system. It will vacillate somewhat in a range (Ecclesiastes/YinYang), but it is what it always has been, as history teaches....meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
Re: MORE
In keeping with the theme:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice
Re: CNBC's Jim Cramer has another
How about a show called "SANE MONEY" Which, of course, would be oxymoronic in a fiat regime.
Re: what is this thing really? (put the Stoli down first, Vad)
nice music....
Re: Slip Sliding around
"I remind myself: It's not for us to bring order to the chaos. But to simply walk to side and continue to be part of our community and help those this community. That in effect becomes our definition for social equity."
I can accept that as your choice, (I have one son in the same camp and love him as well as the other who's truly pissed off.) but I'm exceedingly thankful this has not been the general mindset or we'd all be "loyal subjects" of the British social equity system.
An individual can remain free in mind, but for us all to remain free in all respects requires overt action.
I still say to everyone I can, go to the Tea Party nearest you and make the bastards aware that…
"We're mad as hell and not going to take it anymore!"
Re: Mr. Parsons
LOL
Bladerdash is my preference in the case of "Mr. P"!
If it lands on his balderdash — that's all the better :)
Re: what is this thing really? (put the Stoli down first, Vad)
I remember clearly.....it was Jose. It was a looonnnnggg time before I partied with Jose again.
Re: MORE
I voted for Perot and got 8 years of Clinton — just as I voted for Goldwater and got LBJ (and the 500,000 troops in Viet Nam we were warned Goldwater would send.)
Unless we can change the Congressional stranglehold they have on us, little else will change for us.
Add to the list of guys in the revolving door of public/private sector — Henry Paulson and Greenspan.
Also add another personal benefit they bag...
Each time they make the switch they are excused from paying tax on their investments which leave the market "to avoid conflict of interest".
Yeah, sure.
Paulson saved a $200,000,000 tax bite on his Goldman shares when he went from $45 million to $147,000 annual pay at Treasury.
As long as they control the money — they define what's "honest".