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Cara's Commentary & Community Chat, Tuesday, Jul. 14, 2009

CTA traders' conference call notes:

The market (S&P + 2.49%) caught traders leaning short in an oversold market setting the stage for a reflex rally. We have stated in these notes several times, the head and shoulders topping formation looked a little too obvious, so traders should be wary of jumping on the short side bandwagon as soon as the neckline is broken. Good advice at least for a day.

The Talking Heads will credit Monday’s large gains on a bullish short term call made by influential analyst Meredith Whitney. A long time bear on financial stocks, she issued what amounted to a short term buy recommendation, amidst a secular downturn in the banking sector. Goldman Sachs (GS + 5.34%) was her top pick, yet her timing conspicuous as the stock is already up over 200% from November 2008 low, with earnings due out Tuesday before the opening bell. Our little RSI tool would have gotten traders long near the 2008 low; no subjectivity, simply concentrating on buying quality stocks after periods of prolonged weakness, using a shorter term price trigger to initiate longs.

The market rallied because traders, itching for action and growing weary of this extended sideways consolidation (distribution?), simply took the breakdown below S&P 880 as an all clear signal to lean short. Unfortunately for unsuspecting traders, after four straight weeks down and heading into a normally bullish options expiry week, a minor breach of support set the trap for overanxious shorts, as the market powered higher into the close.

If the market stays firm this week, look for implied volatility (VIX – 9.34%) to test yearly lows, as long premium traders throw in the towel, hoping to escape positions without further losses. This would set the stage for a good risk reward trade; buying longer dated volatility sometime between next week and the first few weeks of August. Same principle as timing stock purchases; let the prices come to you, using a set up in a support area to establish opening positions.

Crude oil (USO -0.01%) bottomed right on the 50% retracement of the recent rally, perhaps triggering a short covering rally in energy sector. When bullish candlestick hammers form at support levels in oversold markets, nimble short term traders can take this set up and go long, placing stops just underneath those daily lows. Gold (GLD + 0.78%) also may have bottomed today, making a new swing low for the current downtrend, before reversing strongly to finish solidly higher on the session. Randgold (GOLD + 2.30%) looks especially interesting as a potential long, as it came back to test its major breakout level of 56.5-57 (former all time high from Jan 2008), recording a bullish outside day up Monday.

Tomorrow will be all about the market reaction to the Gold Man’s earnings report and forward guidance. Expectations are sky high; if the stock gaps up on good news, and subsequently erases opening hour gains, caution will be warranted. Alternatively, any downside earnings surprise, quickly shrugged off by traders, could set off a buying frenzy into the .618 retracement of its bear market, up around 167.

Opportunities for Bulls or Bears, depending upon the opening range price action. Rather than guessing or hoping for a particular outcome, let the market speak. Traders’ busy talking (directional bias) can never hear the message of the market; stay quiet and listen.

Have a great day.

(the traders' conference call notes are the result of work by CTA traders Patrick Veech and Geoff Goetz)

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Cara 100 Ratings Changes

Good morning.

CTSH - Deutsche Securities Initiates Coverage with a Buy. PT = $32

PT Raised:

GOOG - from $440 to $490 @ Oppenheimer. Outperform
JNPR - from $19 to $21 @ Jefferies & Co. Hold
JNPR - from $23 to $27 @ Brean Murray. Buy

Nice Daily

Thanks for the advice!

Re: Nice Daily

Ditto

Cara's Commentary

Excellent commentary Korvus, advice well written.

goldman's earnings

July 14 (Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc. posted record earnings, beating estimates, as revenue from trading and stock underwriting reached all-time highs less than a year after the firm took $10 billion in U.S. rescue funds.

Second-quarter net income was $3.44 billion, or $4.93 a share, the New York-based bank said today in a statement. That surpassed the $3.65 per-share average estimate of 22 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg and compared with $2.09 billion, or $4.58 per share, in last year’s second quarter.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&si...

Goldman is down slightly premarket at 148.74

UNG

Does anyone who follows UNG know how it responds to divergences from the max pain number?

July Max Pain = 14, UNG 12+ and rising in the pre market.

FAZ/QID @ 46.71/33

opening positions.

getting ready for the crash....

there is no money in the system.... all that ' money on the sidelines ' ??... people are using it just to survive...

gs - built in

So I'm looking at the opening of GS this morning and - I'm guessing the "massive earnings surprise" this morning is already built into the price of the stock. Huge volume though. I wonder who is selling? I'm guessing its not the public.

Re: UNG

Looks oversold to me, fell out of bed yesterday. MP gives you a price target and if a broad rally starts today it might make it.

And notice how UNG gapped down yesterday but didn't sell off, it held it's ground...

JMAO

Re: getting ready for the crash....

baz22 - I'm thinking the money on the sidelines has to come from China and will otherwise Bernanke starts diluting China. Cat and Mouse...

huge volume spike in C

huge volume spike in C upon closing yesterday and few minutes ago...

might be some hints?

looking at ESLR and BC

"Tomorrow will be all about

"Tomorrow will be all about the market reaction to the Gold Man’s earnings report and forward guidance. Expectations are sky high; if the stock gaps up on good news, and subsequently erases opening hour gains, caution will be warranted."

Obviously this was written yesterday. So GS didn't gap up and sell off, it just sold off. Does lessening the need for caution, increases the potential for a rally? Shake out the weak hands first then leave them in the dust... no gap up for them to sell, trap them and shake them out, buy their shares then rally without them. Maybe if we see GS begin to gain strength, this will be a good indicator for a broad rally into OP-EX?

Same story for XLF...

Cara 100 Update (Final)

BRCM - Target Raised at Morgan Stanley to $31. Current quarter appears to be tracking at or above plan. Overweight rating.

Re: FAZ/QID @ 46.71/33>> Off 48.12/33.30

Not convinced we're going down (actually, that we're not going up) today.

Re: FAZ/QID @ 46.71/33>> Off 48.12/33.30

ERX was the 24 hr trade...

Re: FAZ/QID @ 46.71/33>> Off 48.12/33.30

"Not convinced we're going down (actually, that we're not going up) today."

Huh?

the Korvus comments

Reading this 45 minutes after the market opened. Korvus, do have a crystal ball ?
Or a brass pair?
Thank you. Allen

google finance

somehow i like the new google finance interface..
looks cleaner and neater...

Re: getting ready for the crash....

Didn't we already have a crash? Or two?

Crash is not in the cards in my mind. If we go lower it will be a slow painful drip lower.

Re: FAZ/QID @ 46.71/33>> Off 48.12/33.30

CP- There is a difference btw thinking 'we go down' and thinking 'they just might take it up.'

TOL

Bought at 15.62. No one likes homebuilders. This is the best one. They're pretty much at cycle lows...

BA

Sold my in the money calls on BA at $5.7 that I purchased last week at $4.6.

Still holding WEN from 3.96 and SPNG from .106 (ouch).

Re: FAZ/QID @ 46.71/33>> Off 48.12/33.30

Mark- Glad to see you have/will have decent exits for your longs. And making a few nice 24-hour trades along the way ;)

Re: getting ready for the crash....

TOF - Agreed, they're shaking out the weak hands....

Re: TOL

TOF- Thanks. I've been keeping an eye on it...Will watch more closely.

Re: getting ready for the crash....

that's part of the reason I finally went long last week in my LT investing account. We had a 10% correction and people are still expecting a crash. Ain't gonna happen barring some outside unknown factor because we've already had 2 crashes (Oct/Nov and Mar).

Re: TOL

"They're pretty much at cycle lows..."

Good eye, they couldn't sell it down both Monday and Yesterday even though they tried hard it bounced back. If there's not a story there I don't know what to say.

Re: TOL

Mark - let me know what you do. I almost went with LEN but the Chinese drywall issue had me concerned. It was between them and TOL based on the analysis I posted a few weeks ago regarding which one has the best balance sheet. I think LEN has greater upside but with this drywall concern, I'd rather go with TOL.

Re: TOL

TOF

That could be a very good trade given the long term perspective.

http://chart.ly/q59myz

Or it may keep on doing what it's been doing. The top of the downward channel is $16.60, so it could be good for a trade.

http://chart.ly/yhsqwm

You can click on these charts that are posted in chart.ly and get a bigger view.

Note: These charts were marked on July 12th.

Trend/ Roller

Mark- If I were to spot teamonfuego at a table, I would say he's the roller right now, and I would be careful betting against him. Until he sevens-out I think 930 is on. He has all his chips stacked on the pass line, which in this case becomes the riskier bet. I'll stick with the single-roll plays.

Re: getting ready for the crash....

hi chick.... hope you guys are correct, but everywhere I go, things look bad and are getting worse.... contractor sales at Lowes & HD are mostly for small repairs, people buying the cheapest items at Food Lion, etc., public golf courses up for sale, much larger traffic at Goodwill stores, apartments vacant for months on end ( that would rent in days last year )... roadside boats for sale all over the place (and not selling)... second homes in NC mountains that have been reduced 30% - 40 %, and still sitting after 2 years... proposed 7% income cut for NC state employees...... I truly see Dow 6100 in 7 months.....

Update On U.S. Mint Coin Suspension

It appears physical gold/silver sales are being stifled by suspending production again...

Unprecedented demand, a shortage of blanks, and restrictive policies and regulations continue to exacerbate what is almost becoming a chronic shortage of gold and silver coins authorized by the U.S. Mint.

So far this year, the mint has sold 700,000 ounces or 700,000 gold bullion coins, compared to last year's total sales of 860,500 ounces of gold or 1,172,000 bullion coins.

Thus far this year, silver bullion coin sales total 14,899,500 compared to last year's total sales of 19,583,500.

While gold and silver producers have repeatedly gone to government officials to get them to authorize an increase in the number of refineries which can produce the blanks and the facilities that can mint the coins, industry sources say they feel they have been stonewalled by mint officials who refuse to budge.

http://tinyurl.com/mt8lpx

Re: TOL

Todd - thanks for these. I didn't look at the longer trend chart which is a good one. My thinking on TOL was that I would double down at $13.75 should it come and get stopped out at $13.20 or so (in case they spike it lower than the 52 wk low to stop people out). So I only went in with half of what I want to invest in it...its a wide range but what stock doesn't have a wide range these days?

Re: getting ready for the crash....

I hear what you're saying and you could definitely be correct, but how much of that is already priced in the markets and how much of the worldwide government stimulus is already priced in the markets? that's what we have to ask ourselves.

Re: Trend/ Roller

2nd - thanks for the comments...it's been a good year (so far), but things can change in a hurry. We all know that.

ANH

has anyone done any research on this company? They seem like a pretty stable company based solely on stock price and earnings throughout this cycle. They're paying a 16% dividend.

Re: Trend/ Roller

2nd- Funny how even a 24 hr. trade is not a single roll any more. If I didn't have to clean up a little with UNG I would be doing the same thing. TBT back green and I have another one...damn, can't remember, it's down in the cellar and I don't like it down there. I've been finishing a proposal for a large project that will be submitted today. The next few days will have a huge impact on the next 2 years of my life.

Re: Trend/ Roller

How is SPNG working for you TOF, still in it?

Re: getting ready for the crash....

baz22 - What's Buffett doing? Are you planning on learning to speak Chinese?

It takes patience to buy at the bottom, lot's of it. As Bill says, let the prices come to you...

Today's Trader Notes

From Bill's most recent Week In Review:

"From Tuesday through Friday next week, the trader desk notes will be published by Patrick Veech and Geoff Goetz."

I think today's Trader Notes, which I also thought were excellent, are not from Korvus, They reflect the quality of Cara Trading Advisors.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Re: Trend/ Roller

Mark- For some reason, I thought you already had more work than you could handle. If you need someone to help carry dirt up the Filbert steps in 5 gallon containers, I have a spoiled 19 year-old who needs to learn how the real world works. Actually, my wife would kill me if I sent him out to do hard labor..which is why he's spoiled to begin with.

Re: Trend/ Roller

Right now, I would say its "unfavorable" with a favorable outlook. Valuation looks silly. Company seems legit. Is management? Are shares still being diluted? Those are the big questions.

I'm in at $.107 yesterday. I bought a week or two at $.12 and sold at $.13. I think this has some more upside room but it's a risky one.

Re: Trend/ Roller

Agreed and a nimble trader to scalp all day on this one, very liquid.

Re: ANH

TOF, do you understand their business? I was briefly in NLY which seems similar and also has an unbelievable yield. HTS is similar. I've been burned too many times when buying high yield that I'm now very cautious, so any insight you can share would be welcome.

Re: getting ready for the crash....

lol... not yet, although I see the ads where I can 'meet' a chinese woman 'wishing' to be married... hmmmmm..... maybe I could get a prenup this time around... I did write Bill awhile back, and he will publish a list of junior miners before long... and, I will wait and trade in the meanwhile...ps. went ahead and took 12% on GSI... Got BAA at $ 1.41, but might unload today... I am just messing with the cheap crazy stuff now, as nothing makes sense at this point... would love to short CSX if it hits $ 37.00...

long drys good call les a few

long drys good call les a few days ago

Re: long drys good call les a few

What call Sharky? The one about the impending crash in shipping? ;)

Re: TOL

So my two cents - based on the technicals, I think TOL looks oversold for sure. I think, like oil, it's probably good for a rebound trade right now. All the homebuilders have been pounded down pretty hard lately and my guess is they'll spike up harder than the general market if the S&P rallies any distance.

I just can't do it though. Here are my risks - and they're mostly macro risks:

The shadow inventory of foreclosed homes not on the market is massive and undocumented.
TOG says, long rates are going to climb, which reduces home price affordability
Foreclosure moratoria have given us a "false bottom" in home prices
Investors and first time buyers (the weakest participants) are the only ones in the market today
option-ARM resets are still ahead of us
1 in 10 mortgages are non-performing. Unemployment is climbing, which will increase this.
High end homeowners are just now starting to capitulate, and TOL is a high end homebuilder

My sources are T2 Partners, who gets a lot of material from Mr. Mortgage (Mark Hansen).
They have a new preso dated July 3 which has some amazing charts.
It is entitled: "An Overview of the Housing Crisis, and Why There is More Pain to Come"

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/whitney-tilson-wh...

I'm actually waiting for the bounce in builders so I can reload my individual company shorts.

FD: I'm short XHB

Re: getting ready for the crash....

baz22 - Maybe you're right, no need to jump in with both feet - especially since I've already got skin in the game.

Perhaps if I can manage the opportunities presented I'll actually come out ahead....

EVG-V

Hi All - Took a flyer on this one today. New results on 2nd phase drilling of Au occurrance in Wyo. is favorable and management is top drawer on the technical front. Happy Trading

Re: getting ready for the crash....

"I see the ads where I can 'meet' a chinese woman 'wishing' to be married.

Is there a better reason to learn Chinese?

Re: TOL

MBA purchase application data released tomorrow

Housing Starts Friday

Remember from WIR - consumer credit crumbling

But housing starts rebounded. Expect meager, yet positive result for June.

How it's played? It's not yet baked into price, so TOF may be on to something.

Obviously HB&B is watching TOF, or the entire team here

just put their chips on TOL

no not that call

There's a person named les on Vad's site who was talking about building a drys position late last week. Will the real les please stand up!

Re: TOL

I think we may have a bit more happy news in housing this summer before the coming tsunami of 2nd wave foreclosures comes ashore, and that's why I'm being very careful now with my individual builder shorts. And I'm certainly not shorting TOL, not until I get a much higher RSI. Best of luck. :)

MGM

I didn't do it cause my alert wasnt set right, late night with wine and woman from Uruguay (total hottie) but MGM made an awesome looking higher-low this am and went bonkers.

Re: getting ready for the crash....

!!!!.... and maybe I can get away with the ' slip & slide ' this time (instead of in-ground pool )... !!

The VIX......sending some signals?

First chart is 3 year weekly. Note the proximity to the long standing trendline, the RSI moving up from under 30 and SStochs turning up. Any move slightly lower to mark a double bottom or slightly lower low will give a bullish divergence with the RSI.

The daily needs little explanation. The price boundaries are clear. Both RSI and SStochs need a little bit longer

If all goes to plan, VIX moves down to touch the lower boundary of the pattern, which will align with the uptrend line on the weekly. It would also provide a bullish divergence between price and RSI on the weekly, with the first trough below 30. One of the classic RSI buy signals.

Hope its useful stuff
Ciao
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Re: TOL

we may both end up being correct...it's just a timing thing. I might hop out of TOL after a 10 to 20% rise and it may then crash down to $10. who knows? while i'm aware of the shadow inventory thing, I know that all of my friends where I live in San Diego are thinking about buying because of affordability. That is, we are spending slightly less on rent than a mortgage payment and that doesn't include the interest deductions and equity build you're getting when owning. I think this is beginning to happen around the country and it was the first sign to me that I should at least consider going long these companies.

And I'm beginning to think that a 80 to 90% drop from their peak prices in the shadow inventory mess...

If you do short a homebuilder, choose the riskier one(s). TOL is the best. I posted a spreadsheet a few weeks back about which ones are the best/worst. That might be a place to start...

Homebuilders

here is the spreadsheet I put together a few weeks ago...nothing fancy about it. To me the single most important factor in determining if the builder will survive and ultimately thrive is Debt to Equity. TOL has by far the best ratio. By the time this all shakes out TOL may be one of two big ones that is left standing a la GS / MS.

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Anyone jump on the dip in SRS?

I added to my SRS position after seeing a news story on Seeking Alpha that,
"Not all good news coming out of Goldman Sachs: Losses on its commercial mortgage portfolio keep mounting, hitting $700M in Q2."

Monty

Re: Homebuilders

Thanks for the spreadsheet TOF, G

Re: TOL

So TOF do me a favor and read the T2 partners preso and tell me if you think their logic holds true.

Re: ANH

Here is a report from Zacks on ANH. They rate it a 2 (which is a Buy) and show the average broker recommendation as Strong Buy.

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Question on Cara's use of RSI

If this has been covered, please point me in the right direction...

Does Bill use an RSI(7) against daily, weekly and monthly charts? The default is usually 14 so just checking. Also, 70/30 is the usual overbought/oversold range - is that the same?

Thanks in advance

Re: Homebuilders

TOF

Thanks for that spreadsheet. I didn't see NVR on that list, and I don't have the time right now to do the comparisons, but I'd bet that they would fare well in that list of yours.

TOL is a builder of upper middle to upscale homes, and builds in many markets. NVR builds primarily up and down the East coast and caters to the lower to low middle market.

If and when the home building sector comes back, I'd suspect that it will start at the lower end of the market. The jumbo loans are just now facing pressure with increased job losses affecting more higher paid employees.

TOL, while well managed, may find itself in the position of having to build in a lower price target than what they're accustomed, and that can lead to brand deterioration.

Just one person's opinion, as always.

insider buying at the builders

If the situation was really getting close to a bottom, I'd guess that the insiders at the homebuilders would be buying stock like crazy, given that they're 80% down from their peak. Everyone loves a bargain!

But not only are they not buying, they're selling! Bob Toll sold $42M this year - $19M in April alone. If Bob isn't buying...do you want to be?

Of course that's just me talking my book again... :)

Deuce going into the final set

PPT is serving. how will the end of today's match look like?

abk

has a good look

Re: Question on Cara's use of RSI

jmorris1950 - Have you reviewed the instructions with the RSI tool Bill has provided (Accessible from top of this page)? There, you should find a link (blue color?) to the instructions.

If this doesn't suffice, speak up once more....

Re: Deuce going into the final set

A bit of a boring match today. For all the supposed excitement of the Goldman Sachs earnings, there was absolutely no price movement. What does double normal volume with no price movement tell you? Distribution, that's what it tells you! :)

I think homebuilders, energy, and miners have the turn at the baton today.

But as you point out, it's never over until the size-challenged female vocalist performs - and she usually only appears after 15:30 ET.

Re: The VIX......sending some signals?

Nice charts Ad, thanks for posting.

'Let prices come to you'

When it gets dull and you start thinking about forcing a trade, I've noticed it helps to have this taped up somewhere.

Re: ANH

bankchamp, thank you. Do you have an opinion yourself - thinking that with a moniker like that you're perhaps better able to judge this type of company.

I'm guessing they're all basically playing the yield curve, using leverage to convert mortgage yields up to the 16% div.

What are the risks? Non payment of mortgage, early repayment from refi at lower rate? NLY claim they only buy Fannie/Freddie paper, so no default risk - not clear what ANH buy.

Just seems a little too good to be true.

Re: 'Let prices come to you'

I've had a decent day so far.

UUP nipping at 23.90's heels. Not the best for a positive finish, but it's early still.
Everything else is simple buy below the BB, sell above. Wash, rinse, repeat.

SKF was a good deal pm with a 41 handle. FAZ/FAS were my BB trades.
Bought PDS yesterday and sold it first thing this AM.

It's been like body surfing, and the set timing could favor a higher finish depending on timing. TOF is surfing the big sets with a longer time horizon off a skidoo.

New World Currency

Medvedev is talking a new world reserve currency at the G-8 meeting. Maybe this has been keeping gold from the surge to $1000.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&si...

Re: 'Let prices come to you'

Tsunami in the time it took to type me last message....

Re: 'Let prices come to you'

"When it gets dull and you start thinking about forcing a trade, I've noticed it helps to have this taped up somewhere."

I've found the forehead is the best place to tape this.

Re: Today's Trader Notes

Correct, the notes were not actually mine. I'm the technical guy, and that sort of insight comes from the people behind the trading. I'm going to edit the text to make that more clear.

Re: 'Let prices come to you'

I have it etched inside my glasses....otherwise....duh.

Re: Today's Trader Notes

Oh, and for those who commented on the insight in those notes, I feel I should point out that I had that text in hand at 9:30 last night. So the traders didn't even have the benefit of watching overnight or early morning activity!

Re: TOL

Dave - I'll take a look at Tilson's notes when I get a chance (assuming Tilson is the same as T2).

I've read the notes from Mr. Mortgage and can't say I disagree for the most part. However, I've seen significant inventory reductions on the homebuilders balance sheets, rising cash levels, lower debt levels, and in the case of TOL, a very good debt/equity ratio. This tells me TOL can weather the storm no problem and reap the fruits of their labor on the other side. Timing is the key though, but I think the risk/reward here is pretty good when looking out over 3-5 years.

With that being said, a 20% move up in 2 weeks and I'm outta here!

Todd - I hear your comments about TOL and I think they're fair ones. However, "component" prices have come down pretty significantly so they will be able to build at lower profitable prices going forward. And I always like buying the best. My dad used to work for TOL and he always told me they bought the best supplies even though they were more expensive. So if it was good enough for him its good enough for me...

Re: 'Let prices come to you'

Craig:
"Everything else is simple buy below the BB, sell above. Wash, rinse, repeat."

I take it BB is Bollinger Bands - do you use 2 std dev, and what time scale are you charting?
TIA

Housing prices...

Re the above discussion on homebuilders...Mitch has some interesting thoughts and charts that may help. It seems he thinks we're still about 7 years from the bottom...but again that's a national data point. Obviously individual markets will vary. For myself, I'm not skilled enough to know the specific details so I'm just staying away.
s
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

EDIT - While one chart shows it may be 7 years to the bottom, later on Mish says he thinks it will come in the 2010-2011 time-frame and will not rebound but "remain weak for another 10 years".

Re: 'Let prices come to you'

1min/1hour, 1 standard dev, 25 period

Re: 'Let prices come to you'

Example...

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The other thing that comes to mind: 'Never short a dull market'

My take is we have too many traders waiting for the other shoe to drop, and the market likes to keep us waiting, no?

SPNG

bought more at .085...average is down to .099

Re: 'Let prices come to you'

Nice, thanks.

DELL down 8%, INTC earnings on tap, QQQQ up

No positions, just an observation.

Re: SPNG

did the same...I sold out completely on the last pop and bought in a little too early a few days back. Penny stocks. what am i thinking.

Also out of WEN today after buying a few days back - can't remember who tipped that one off but thanks!

Re: Today's Trader Notes

Last night? You mean they didn't send you post-dated notes for the whole week?? Tell them to stop holding out (Grin)

INTC: If '5' is the point, INTC would be the '2-3' bet

As TOF is still the shooter>>I would say a (small) side bet it comes up 2-3 might be worth making. $18 after hours? Looks like July 17 strike is where to place the bet.

-NQGS @ 0.30>> red chips only

This is gambling. Not investing. (It's also a bet on teamonfuego.)

auy

crossed the 20 day to the good side and is holding...long yermama the past few hours

Re: auy

shark- What did you say about his Mama? ;)

reloaded SPY puts

The dull boring activity today means my SPY puts are at a discount today. I felt the need for some "wave 3 down" insurance. Perhaps it was the non-reaction to the great Goldman earnings news?

Re: -NQGS @ 0.30>> red chips only

2nd
My SDS (paid 57.26 yesterday) is under now added more at 56.50
thats all for me

INTC

Looks like it is going to trade up big time on earnings - USD ETF bid already 5% above todays green close. INTC should open between 18-19 when it resumes trading.

Intel

Market waited for Intel to report. Obviously Intel was able to keep their own printing press up and running... They earned it though, believe me.

The guys/gals running/maintaining the production equipment earned every penny, the potential for job loss can provide strong motivation and they can move lots through the line at lightening speed when they want. It actually makes the equipment more reliable as well, when you stop tinkering around and concentrate on pushing lots through. AMD used to accomplish this with carrots as opposed to a whips.

Re: Intel

Wow CP you're not kidding. INTC up to 18 after market. If it holds until morning that just blows through the year high.

Re: Intel

solid earnings...

Bought back my WEN in after hours at $4.42 that I sold at $4.38 today...

Re: Intel

tof- Way to go, shooter. Keep it coming ;)

Re: Intel

Pierre's recent write-up on Intel said that resistance was $17.50. Wondering if I should sell my long position at market open or ride the wave. Any thoughts? TIA

Hedging the INTC calls with a little QID/FAZ> 32.08/46.14

...

Re: Intel

Why not sell half your position after-hours @ 18 and change? If it hits 19 tomorrow morning, you're still holding. If it sells off, well, you sold half at 18.

Mark- UNG bid 12.61 after hours

If you need to cut exposure.

Re: -NQGS @ 0.30>> red chips only

vinod- Index trading near 915 after hours. I would expect profit-taking to kick in tomorrow morning, into which you might sell a little SDS?

Compared to What

Les McCann still has it. Berlin 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRONbnyNpu8

Can't You See

vb- The Deep South bred some great ones. Marshall Tucker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEOV5vWfSgI&feature...

Precious Angel

The Gospel according to Dylan. The beautiful, beautiful Precious Angel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s1rWE_082M

'SLW Announces Penasquito Mine Achieves Mechanical Completion'

This was announced yest by GG, but i didn't see it here so here is an except:

http://tinyurl.com/kmz9lf
"Silver Wheaton Announces Goldcorp's Penasquito Mine Achieves Mechanical Completion"

FIRST CONCENTRATE SHIPMENT STILL TARGETED FOR THE SECOND HALF OF 2009

<< TSX: SLW NYSE: SLW >>

VANCOUVER, July 14 /CNW/ - Silver Wheaton Corp. ("Silver Wheaton") (TSX, NYSE:SLW - News News) is pleased to announce that, as reported by Goldcorp Inc. ("Goldcorp") in a press release dated July 13, 2009, construction of the first sulphide process line (Line 1) at Goldcorp's world-class gold-silver-lead-zinc Penasquito mine in Zacatecas, Mexico is now complete and commissioning work is advancing on schedule. Production and shipment of first concentrates are still targeted for the second half of 2009.

After a ramp-up period, Penasquito is forecast to produce an average of approximately 30 million ounces of silver annually over an initial 22 year mine life, of which Silver Wheaton is to receive 25% or in excess of seven million ounces of silver annually.

Are Shorts being set up for another GS Strategy? / YUM

Could it be we've been selling off lately so better than expected earnings could provide impressive upside impact and an appearance that the market pricing mechanism is alive and well? Do I remember reading somewhere that some analysts believe earnings estimates are a bit understated this quarter?

Perhaps I'm guilty of wishful thinking? Naaaahh, couldn't be...

Looks like YUM's report wasn't all too palatable, down after hours...

Re: Hurricane season underway in the Pacific

that's got to be music to mark's ears.. ung ung ung!!

stay strong mark, won't be long

Re: Can't You See

wow 2nd, Thanks! I'd forgotten about Marshall Tucker!!!! and yes, this one rings home. I might even have to put this one to facebook for the old classmates.

vb

Re: Are Shorts being set up for another GS Strategy?

CP- You and teamonfuego are the only posters I can think of who admit to having been long the past couple of weeks, which hasn't been an easy time to be long. If we're all being played by the market, I would say you two stood your ground through a few sleepless nights, and are now entitled to a little wishful thinking ;)

Pet Airline

What does everything think of this?? how many dogs would you have to fly and at what price to make money??

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Pet-Airways/ss/event...

Smoke From A Distant Fire

vb- What happens when a couple of session musicians get together to write a song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4C32a723M8

Re: Are Shorts being set up for another GS Strategy?

2nd - Well I must admit to taking it in the shorts a bit and could use some relief about right now. Fortunately I was able to hold myself back to some degree. The big mistake I made was not cutting losses short as soon as support levels were smashed. Oh well, it'll be okay as long as we climb a bit before careening over the next waterfall.

Funny, it seemed like Bill's verbage lost some of it's negative tone about the same time I decided to scale back in....

Who knows, at least I'll be catching (riding) the bottom once again if I can stand the pain. Sleep? No problem!

What is Goldman Sachs?

Research by Jim Bianco on the top five banks. It also shows/proves that GS was the prime beneficiary of the AIG bailout. Great Stuff.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/what-is-goldm...

Re: Hurricane season underway in the Pacific

2nd, VB- Thanks for keeping me in mind. I know this is hard to believe but my basis is now...12.61. I might trim some as it is now 120% in size. I'll be meeting with my oil guy tomorrow and see if I can get a little info. I do like all of the negativity about it now. TBT now 2% to the good.

2nd- Yep, work is really busy right now. This project will carry me through 2011.
Fingers are crossed.

Hang Seng back above 18000?

Madoff Begins Life Sentence

Madoff Begins Life Sentence at Federal Prison in Butner, NC
The Butner Federal Correctional Complex, located about 45 miles northwest of Raleigh, includes two medium-security facilities, a low-security facility and a hospital, according to the Bureau of Prisons Web site.Among the well-known criminals being held at Butner are:

•John Rigas, founder of Adelphia Communications, and his son, Tim, the company's chief financial officer. They were convicted on multiple charges of securities fraud, conspiracy to commit bank fraud and bank fraud.

•Jonathan Pollard, the American convicted of spying for Israel more than two decades ago.

•Omar Abdel-Rahman, also known as the "blind sheik," who was sentenced to life in prison in 1995 for his role in a plot to kill Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and blow up New York City landmarks, including the United Nations. He was sentenced to life in prison in 1995 and moved to Butner in 2007.
At the 3,400-inmate prison, Madoff will wear prison-issued clothing, initially be in isolation and then have a cell mate, according to those who have served time in the U.S. system. He will earn pennies a day doing menial work.
Yearly salary of $3.65 this is not fair?

Re: Smoke from a Distant Fire

2nd, your killing me on these!! :) The Midnight Special?? I can't believe these clips your sending me., I am ROFL

Regarding trading, I have cash ready on the sidelines but not going to force anything. Yet. Just watching, for the most part, listening to the music and trying to be patient.

Re: Madoff Begins Life Sentence

Butner,NC by the way, is the best one - Madoff won't have it so bad. (decent health care for a prison), which he will need as time goes by...

vb

Gasparino gets yanked off the air for telling it how it is at GS

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/07/gasparino-te...

P.S. Where's my toaster? Oh that's right the sheeple are the toast.

Re: INTC: If '5' is the point/ Gann?

I think he recognizes the action for what it is, and is buying in for $500.

Re: INTC: If '5' is the point/ Gann?

Feels more like a 6 after INTC and the shooter is hot right now.

TOF- Go to bed early. We'll be waiting at the table for you in the morning.

Re: Madoff Begins Life Sentence

VB- It's OK, we're all friends here... So how much time was it?

Re: Pet Airline

Sounds like it's privately owned, but yes, there is demand for this type of service. Most commercial airlines only carry two or three dogs at a time which for big events like Westminster is not enough. There are hundreds of dog shows, agility trials, herding events, gun dog, earth dog and coursing dog events all over the U.S. EVERY weekend and most are in the warm summer months where USDA regulations prevent shipping dogs when it's over 80F because dogs are shipped in cargo. This doesn't count shipping dogs for commercial reasons (sales to pet shops, etc.) which could keep an airline busy from Pennsylvania, Missouri and some of the southern states with weak regulations busy full time.

We have always used commercial operations and shipped through their special services. Delta, Northwest and a few others have pet programs like Delta Dash to expedite handling because of heat stress and weather requirements in summer and winter months.

An airline specifically for dogs and cats could bypass some of these regs because they fly in the cabin and move pets from the terminal directly into the cabin instead of moving them like luggage in a cart on the tarmac then into the cargo section in the belly of a commercial flight.

Think of what it's like when you are sitting in the plane and the air jets aren't on. Now imagine you don't perspire and you cool your body by air moving across your tongue....but the air is hotter then hell. This is deadly to dogs. Now imagine you are flying a $1500 puppy or an irreplaceable herding dog that replaces six men on horseback and is worth anywhere from $10,000-$30,000 USD. You bet there is demand for a dogs/cats only airline.

Most airline employees are not specially trained (some are) and I've had to threaten airlines with legal action and that I would break through their security to get my dog off the tarmac if they didn't act immediately (which they mostly do afterward). I also knew of one incident where the Purina Herding Champion (worth every penny of $30,000) arrived upside down in her crate.

In short, this is a great idea.

from the "are you KIDDING me?" files

NEW YORK, July 14 (Reuters) - U.S. government officials are weighing a plan that would let borrowers who have fallen behind on their mortgage payments avoid eviction by renting their homes instead, sources familiar with the administration's thinking said on Tuesday.

Under one idea being discussed, delinquent homeowners would surrender ownership of their homes but would continue to live in the property for several years, the sources told Reuters.

Officials are also considering whether the government should make mortgage payments on behalf of borrowers who cannot keep up with their home loans, tapping an unused portion of a $50 billion housing aid kitty.

As part of this plan, jobless borrowers might receive a housing stipend along with regular unemployment benefits, the sources said. (Reporting by Patrick Rucker; Editing by Diane Craft)

Re: from the "are you KIDDING me?" files

Dave- Sooooo why am I working 16 hrs/day? My wife 8hrs, and keeping up our respective household duties?

TBT is coming back to you my friend.

Re: from the "are you KIDDING me?" files

Don't be silly Mark, you're doing all that to 'rescue' GS so they could make 'record' earnings ripping you off on your trades and investments with your own money.

GS employees could keep all those deadbeats in their rental homes with their pocket change....I mean the pocket change they stole from you.

Ahhhh....perspective.

will try to slide back into rimm at $ 66.50 tomorrow....

the ' Tour ' phone is doing very well... temp. set-up seems to suggest rimm will advance to $ 75.00 over the next month..

Re: from the "are you KIDDING me?" files

Oh... thank God, Craig. For a second there I must have slipped out of the Matrix..."Honey..!? Let me know when "Happy Days" is on. I'll be up as soon as I tuck the kids in bed with their GS jammys."

Re: from the "are you KIDDING me?" files

"Honey..!?"

Shrunk the kids future?

GS jammies, those must be the Chinese jobs made from TARP with that toxic flame retardant that renders children penny-less (actually in-debt, worse than penny-less) on contact?

Re: from the "are you KIDDING me?" files

No, NO, No, busy bee here...must go to work tomorrow..so much to do...Busy, busy, busy...

Jon Stewart rocks

If you didn't see tonight's show, check the tape tomorrow on Comedy Central.
See Cramer and 'Nails' look like the morons (crooks) they are (IMO for legal reasons).
The comedy? A Comedy network reports real news while the MSM touts total BS.

Then Colbert has an African woman on that knows how to kick ass and get men's attention....withhold sex. Might I suggest starting in Washington and Wall Street ladies? PLEASE? That would be the very best. All that money and no place to spend it....what poetic justice.

At the very least we might have an export product, politicians and banksters.
They can carry a 'journalist' under each arm....
I suspect they can all find girlfriends in Argentina or take a 'wide stance' in Afghanistan.

Re: from the "are you KIDDING me?" files

You better get to work buddy....gotta pay government sachs so they can make those big profits.

When are we finally going to throw these bastards out?

my Meredith Whitney epiphany

I just had an epiphany. While napping tonight after watching the "Goldman Sachs" Meredith Whitney interview, I just put together something she said. Let me summarize.

MW said that the banks were going to modify a huge number of mortgages this quarter. She was excited. She said this was a game-changer. Why is that?

The new law passed on May 20th allows servicers to rewrite mortgages without getting sued. It also provides $18 Billion to incentivize them to do so." Here's the impact:

a) modding a past due loan brings it current, allowing the bank to lower loss provisions
b) they get paid for each modded loan
c) modded loans can be repackaged and sold to Ginnie Mae

Never mind that recidivism is high - by the time they relapse, the loan is in the hands of Ginnie. And if Obama has his way, they'll allow loan mods on loans up to 125% underwater. And of course the banks love this, because its the underwater loans that will go bad first - so mod them, pack them off to Ginnie, and it's better than PPIP, because they're sold to Ginnie at face value.

This whole process will allow banks to WRITE UP all their toxic MBS to FACE VALUE, and all the redefaults will happen under the auspices of GNMA (Uncle Sam), and the banks will be PAID $18 Billion split amongst the 4 big banks for their efforts.

And we thought PPIP was a scam? They're going to fall all over themselves to get this done. It's a total no lose deal for them. As MW said in her interview, "This is HUGE. This is a game changer. Bigger than the Chrysler bankruptcy. This is the Mother of all Mortgage Quarters."

Watch the interview. There are places in the interview where MW answered the interviewers questions, and then she looked at them to see if they got it. They didn't. Its not their fault, this is complicated stuff, and almost impossible to get in real time. The first time I heard it, my head spun. But you can see on her face that she figured it all out, and that SHE GETS IT. And she's dying to tell someone.

Not surprisingly, taxpayers get the downside. No wonder nobody cares about PPIP. This program does the same thing, but via the back door.

* modded homeowners become long term renters that can no longer walk away
* banks get to remove bad loans from their books, pretty them up, and sell them to GNMA
* banks get paid each time they do this - totaling $18 BILLION
* banks can now write up their flock of MBS 15 points
* GNMA will be the trash can for modified (and soon-to-be toxic again) loans
* people who MIGHT default will get mod offers as well, prospectively

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1180792150&p...

Your Tax Dollars At Work

Re: my Meredith Whitney epiphany

ALOHA !!

Davidfairtex- Good epiphany ...

Okay so MW is still goo-goo eyed over the residential crap, but what will the game plan be for the commercial crap heading our way that will effect all ... I mean ALL ... the regional banks and the BIG FOUR? How many BAILOUTS will the American people sit still for, backdoor or otherwise? These loan resets take us all the way out to 2017 where most of the toxic commercial loans were written in 2007 and 2008 right before the BIG ENCHILADA hit the fan! These commercial toxins will double in size by 2010 and rise exponentially right through until 2017.

BUYING TIME ...

GUARANTEES AND PROMISES

ALOHA !!

The way I see it the US government along with the US FED have handed out way too many "guarantees and promises" all in a tidy box with a red bow on top named the AMERICAN DREAM.

If you break down the AMERICAN DREAM into its main component it is sheer DEBT. That's all us Americans can dream about? Well, we are certainly addicted to DEBT! When I first started buying real estate in the 1980s I bought a duplex and had to come up with 20% down minimum. Even if I did have the 20% down, then the rest was financed over 20 years. That means I am just buying a long "home" futures contract where I take delivery 20 years later. The US Congress decides to make this "contract" much more enticing by allowing a "write-off" of my mortgage payments against my current income taxes, which are supposedly "voluntary".

There ... I have a home, that I do not own, where essentially banks make a profit off me renting it from them until I take delivery some 20 years later. So who benefits most from the AMERICAN DREAM? Is it the poor sap who has to work hard for the next 20 or 30 years or is it the banker who does nothing but draws up the loan docs and sits around every month waiting to cash my check on money the banker never had in reserves but mouse clicked out of thin air? So who is really at risk? As long as the bankers can keep making loans and being the MIDDLEMAN in the MONEY MONOPOLY the World is beautiful.

Now lets move on ... What is FDIC? Isn't it just another government backed guarantee? Who does the guarantee benefit? Well, we are told it is for "us" ... us depositors who put our life savings in US Banks. If there is ever a problem with the bank and it goes bankrupt then we will get our savings back at no risk to us. Really though, as we are finding out now, the US Banks put up a very small portion of FDIC while WE THE PEOPLE are forced to insure ourselves through taxation. Same with SIPC ... more lures of guarantees so the stock market can proliferate beyond all bounds, where many of us depend now on our 401ks and day trading in order to have any retirement at all.

Then there is the ultimate PROMISE ... If we vote for DEMS and REPS we will be protected against any and all pain and live in a risk free World where all our needs will be cared for once we get older. All our needs will be cared for if we lose our jobs or if we get injured and can not work. There are a multitude of government "safety nets" all over the US TREASURY DAILY STATEMENT. In essence UNIONS are government sponsored safety nets for those who did not get a college degree.

Really with all these "guarantees and promises" we have been propping up failures for decades. We have been propping up the two party system which is clearly now seen as the failure it truly is. We have been propping up fraudulent banks and auto companies and railroads and unions. We have been propping up the worst and most immoral of businesses. Through these "guarantees and promises" we short circuit the capitalist market system that dictates which companies deserve to survive by their own innovation and ingenuity and fiscal strength and we have substituted the Financial Darwinism of the past with the markets of Financial Feudalism where we all serve the Kings Court and the businesses that most pay tribute to the HB&B Kingdom. In short we have disposed of true "competition" via the capitalist system and we now have Socialist Cronyism, not much different from the USSR and those who held the highest rank within the Communist party. Who most prospered in the USSR? This is why GS survives and LEH did not. Not because GS was better at inside trading than LEH, both were inside traders, but because GS was more politically and monetarily connected to the US government and the US FED and their controlled markets. Because GS had parlayed much more "agents" into critical positions than LEH, because GS was working more angles, but they could because they had more anglers. GS did not just trade futures they controlled them with their very own index and end user commodity reserves. What two banks will be left standing? It is no coincidence it would be the two who most own the US FED. Both JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs are indispensable "agents" for the POLITBANK agendas.

While Americans have been lulled into sedation by the numerous "guarantees and promises" we have been duped into thinking that somehow someone else will have to pay the BILL when it comes due and that each of us will somehow skate by life without any extremely severe mishaps. It is as if by virtue of being an American that you are guaranteed a risk free life, where even if you fail you can still live well compared to most other citizens of the World.

We have all been servants of the POLITBANK system for most all our lives whether we see it or not.

GOVERNMENT IS ONLY AS HONEST AS ITS MONEY ...

Re: my Meredith Whitney epiphany

Actually, Davefairtex, the ones who get it are the underwater homeowners. So let's see... a 125% refi loan on my home now worth 30% less... you don't say? Hey, honey -I've got a better idea... Let's just buy the neighbor's house in foreclosure for 40% less--move in and then default and walk away from this heap. Think of the interest we'll save! Serious mods are only working for honest folks who live in areas with only modest valuation losses. When the gubermint starts taking over homes there goes the neighborhood...

Re: Madoff Begins Life Sentence

Al Capone was let out due to health problems. Would anyone be surprised to have Madoff released in a couple of years "due to health problems"?

If this guy was laundering for the mob, the Wall St. crowd or the US gov. he will just keep his mouth shut and be OK.

I hope the $3.65 has payroll taxes and SS withheld ;-)

New Community Chat is up

For today's Community Chat, go here.

Re: from the "are you KIDDING me?" files

I fell for the "pursuit of happiness" line and paid off my own mortgage, never borrow money and now everything is being delivered right to the government paid for door.

Hey, do I still need to mow my own lawn or will Big Bother (not a typo) take care of it for me?

Re: EVG-V

Hi All - Hope a few of you took the ride on this one with me since yesterday morning - up 71%. Happy Trading

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