[7:55am ET] Gold is usually the last dancer off the floor, so with prices over $1,000 this morning is this The Last Dance? Well, we know the music is still playing. Yesterday, Europe gapped up at the open, moved higher from there and then closed near the high. This morning; another opening gap higher in Europe and green arrows though Asia-Pacific markets as well. Spot gold and silver at $1,005.32 and $16.73. Futures for the Euro are now almost 1.45 and the $USD is struggling to hold 77. But, how low can the Dollar go in support of this rally?
El oro es generalmente el último bailarín del suelo, de modo que con los precios de más de 1.000 dólares de esta mañana es este The Last Dance? Bueno, sabemos que la música siga sonando. Ayer, Europa brechas en el Abierto, se trasladaron más de allí y cerró cerca de la secundaria. Esta mañana, otra brecha apertura alcista en Europa y verde flechas aunque mercados de Asia-Pacífico. El oro y la plata en $ 1,005.32 y $ 16,73. Los futuros para el euro son ahora casi los $ 1,45 y USD está luchando para mantener los 77. Pero, ¿cuán bajo puede Dollar ir en apoyo de este rally?
L'or est habituellement la danseuse dernier sur le sol, si les prix sont plus de 1000 $, ce matin, est-ce The Last Dance? Eh bien, nous savons que la musique se joue encore. Hier, l'Europe gapped place à l'ouverture, propose plus de là et puis fermée près du haut. Ce matin, une autre fente d'ouverture supérieur en Europe et vert flèches si les marchés d'Asie-Pacifique ainsi. Comptant de l'or et l'argent à 1,005.32 $ et 16,73 $. Avenir de l'euro sont maintenant près de 1,45 et l'USD est dû lutter pour conserver 77. Mais, comment le dollar faible peut aller à l'appui de ce rallye?
Gold wird in der Regel der letzte Tänzer aus dem Boden, so dass mit Preisen über 1.000 Dollar heute Morgen ist der letzte Tanz? Nun, wir wissen, ist die Musik immer noch. Gestern, gapped Europa bis an den offenen, zog von dort höher und dann geschlossen in der Nähe des hoch. An diesem Morgen, ein anderer Öffnungsspalt in Europa höher und grüne Pfeile wenn asiatisch-pazifischen Märkten. Spot-Gold und Silber bei $ 1,005.32 und $ 16,73. Futures für den Euro sind inzwischen fast 1,45 und $ USD kämpft bis 77 zu halten. Aber wie tief kann der Dollar zur Unterstützung der diese Rallye gehen?
O ouro é geralmente a última dançarina do chão, assim com preços acima de 1.000 dólares esta manhã é este The Last Dance? Bem, sabemos que a música continua tocando. Ontem, a Europa gapped acima em aberto, moveu um de lá e, em seguida, fechou perto da máxima. Esta manhã, outra lacuna abertura maior na Europa e as setas verdes que os mercados da Ásia-Pacífico também. Ouro e prata em US $ 1,005.32 e $ 16,73. Futuros para o Euro são agora quase US $ 1,45 e R está lutando para manter 77. Mas, como o dólar baixo pode ir de apoio a esta manifestação?
ゴールドは、通常、床からの最後のダンサーのように、価格を1000ドル、今朝はこのラストダンスは何ですか?まあ、我々は音楽が演奏され知っている。昨日、ヨーロッパを開くと、高い、そこから移動して、高い近くの閉鎖で最大ギャップ。今朝、別のオープンギャップ、ヨーロッパで高いと緑のアジア太平洋市場にかかわらず、矢印など。スポット金と銀の$ 1,005.32と$ 16.73で。ユーロが、今はほとんど1.45ドル米ドルのための先物77を保持するのに苦労しています。しかし、どのようにドルは、この大会のサポートに行くことができます安いのか?
黃金通常是最後舞者離地,如此價格在1,000元,這是今天上午最後的舞?好吧,我們知道音樂仍然播放。昨天,歐洲出現上升缺口在開盤,走高,然後從那裡封閉接近高。今天上午,另開差距高於歐洲和綠色箭頭,但亞太市場。現貨黃金和白銀為1,005.32和十六點七三美元。歐元期貨現在幾乎是1.45美元,美元正在努力保持77。但是,究竟會去支持美元在這輪漲勢?
आम तौर पर सोने की मंजिल दूर पिछले नर्तकी है, तो साथ कीमतें 1,000 से अधिक $ यह सुबह है यह पिछले नृत्य? खैर, हम जानते हैं कि संगीत अब भी खेल रहा है. कल, यूरोप खुला, वहाँ से अधिक चले गए और फिर उच्च पास बंद पर gapped. आज सुबह, एक और खोलने के अंतराल के यूरोप में उच्च और हरे रंग का एशिया प्रशांत क्षेत्र के बाजारों हालांकि तीर के रूप में अच्छी तरह से. हाजिर सोना और 1,005.32 डॉलर और 16.73 डॉलर चांदी. यूरो कर रहे हैं और अब लगभग 1.45 अमरीकी डालर के लिए $ 77 फ्यूचर्स को पकड़ संघर्ष कर रही है. लेकिन, कैसे डॉलर इस रैली के समर्थन में जा सकते हैं कम?
Золото обычно является последней танцовщицы на полу, так и с ценами более $ 1000 сегодня утром эта The Last Dance? Ну, мы знаем, что музыка играет. Вчера, Европа Gapped вверх на открытых, переехали выше оттуда, а затем закрыто около высокой. Сегодня утром, другое открытие разрыв выше в Европе и зеленые стрелки, хотя рынки Азиатско-Тихоокеанского региона, а. Spot золото и серебро в $ 1,005.32 и $ 16,73. Фьючерсы на Евро в настоящее время почти 1,45 и $ USD пытается провести 77. Но, как низко может идти доллар в поддержку этой акции?
ن 1،000 دولار صباح هذا اليوم هو هذه الرقصة الأخيرة؟ حسنا ، نحن نعرف أن الموسيقى لا يزال يلعب. بالأمس ، وأوروبا ، حتى شق في فتح ، وانتقل من هناك ارتفاع ثم مغلقة بالقرب من عالية. هذا الصباح ، وآخر من فتح ثغرة العالي في أوروبا وآسيا الخضراء على الرغم من أسواق الأسهم والمحيط الهادئ كذلك. البقعة الذهبية والفضية بمبلغ 1،005.32 دولار و 16.73. العقود الآجلة لليورو الآن ما يقرب من 1.45 دولار أمريكي ، وتسعى جاهدة لعقد 77. ولكن ، كيف يمكن أن انخفاض الدولار تذهب لدعم هذه التظاهرة؟
גולד היא בדרך כלל רקדנית האחרון מהרצפה, כך עם מחירים של 1,000 דולר על הבוקר זה הריקוד האחרון? ובכן, אנחנו יודעים את המוסיקה הוא עדיין משחק. אתמול, אירופה gapped אל הפתוח, משם עבר גבוה ולאחר מכן סגור ליד גבוה. הבוקר; אחר שפתח פער גבוה יותר באירופה חצים ירוקים על פי שוקי אסיה פסיפיק וכן. ספוט כסף וזהב ב 1,005.32 $ ו 16.73 $. עתיד יורו כיום כמעט 1.45 $ ואת הדולר נאבק להחזיק 77. אבל, כמה נמוך יכול ללכת דולר לתמוך
Google has just made the world a smaller place.
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My answer to the question above:
כנראה שלא הרבה יותר גבוה
ربما لا يكون أعلى من ذلك بكثير
Вероятно, не намного выше
शायद बहुत अधिक नहीं
也許不是要高得多
おそらくはるかに高い
Wahrscheinlich nicht viel höher
Provavelmente não muito superior
Probablement pas beaucoup plus élevé
Probablemente, no mucho más alto
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Have a good day.
Comments
Probablement pas beaucoup plus élevé
means "probably not much higher". That be the market or the dollar Bill?
(Having seen Google translations from French to English, I remain thankful that there is still a place for human beings to have superior understanding to a machine - or perhaps it is our gift to be able to understand and work with nuances, something machines don't quite understand yet).
Cara 100 Ratings Changes
Good morning.
BRCM - Upgraded to Buy @ Roth Capital. PT Raised from $22 to $34
QCOM - PT Raised from $52 to $56 @ Oppenheimer. Outperform
RIMM - PT Raised from $90 to $94 @ Oppenheimer. Outperform
na ja
Yeah, computer translations are tough
So we have a conundrum - 40% higher in the S&P has been...
bandied around by analysts yet Bill warns that the lights might soon go out. How to remedy the two apparent conflicting scenarios. Well, someone went and charted the largest 25 monthly percentage moves in the last 120 months this weekend. Although top place does not go to a 40% move, it is enough to scalp the bears good and proper at least once. For your consideration:
http://chart.ly/zn79rp
edit: I should mention that the down moves in percentage terms are the ones that could massacre the bulls...
edit: I should mention that ToddinFL is on the same page up there with the best of them for best of weekend charts - great charts mate!:
http://blog.chart.ly/2009/09/06/best-of-chart-ly-w...
O Vey!
A lot of us may need the help of this after this morning's commentary.
http://www.google.com/ig?hl=en&referrer=ign_n
Rebuilding the U.S. Securities Act
Bill,
I have been wondering if there one major event in your life that radicalized you for this cause?
Was there an event that precipitated your interest in changing the way big broker-dealers and banks do business?
Cara 100 Update
SU - Upgraded to Buy @ Stifel Nicolaus. PT = $39
morning coffee
I thought for a minute that I was on the wrong site for minute there! Or the site had been hacked! Time for the coffee to kick in!
Successful trading does not equate the worth of a person,
only that you understand the deceit a little better than others...
Grym
Grym- Please continue to comment. I'll let Bill clarify his position, but I don't think his intention is to clear the posting landscape of all personal/anecdotal content. Even the WSJ has commentary that includes levity and occasional references to non-market topics that interest the majority of readers. We just need to use good judgment when deciding what to post.
how does it sound ?
For the terminally curious, wondering how Bill's opening remarks should sound, try this:
http://www.oddcast.com/home/demos/tts/tts_example....
Re: Successful trading does not equate the worth of a person,
Absolutely. Nor does managing/mismanaging other people's money for exorbitant salaries and bonuses necessarily entitle one to high status. It's amazing how often we assign power and/or attribute higher intelligence to people with money.
?
I noticed the community's archives on the main page only goes back to Nov 2008. Does anyone know if it is possible to access July 2007 commentaries? Thanks.
UXG
Set to open at $4.40
Re: UXG
how so? I see offers of 3.47
edit: note in the URL I posted earlier on best of weekend charts at chart.ly. One was illustrating a possible pull back in GLD. Beware those chasing gold stocks. FWIW
Good to see you back, 2nd...
Hope you hang around awhile.
Re: Probablement pas beaucoup plus élevé
With a little artificial intelligence and an idiom dictionary a computer will outdo a person in most translations. The real comment is "When a computer beats you at chess it is time to teach it kick boxing."
SLW acquires Barrick silver production
25% life of mine from Pasqua-Lama project which is located on Chile-Argentina border plus some other Barrick silver mine producers. Total cost-$625 million.
Gold's last dance and Equities exit
Bill - Are you targeting gold to a specific area as an alert for yourself based on technicals or are you playing it based on the RSI signals and intuitive skills?
Also, recently you've indicated the equities had bearish implications. It seems that dollar weakness would give it bullish implications.
So would I be interpreting you correctly that gold and commodities may likely make their last dance and equities may likely be pulled along before a likely significant downdraft but not necessarily a new low in monthly terms?
Re: SLW acquires Barrick silver production
Conference call at noon today at SLW web site. This deal is supposed to increase silver reserve by 43% and cash flow by 35%.
Re: UXG
UXG trades on both the American and Canadian markets. I can see bid/asks around 4.00 on Webbroker right now, for the Canadian market.
Great day to buy puts
Mens Wearhouse Oct 25 puts. I think several retail stocks are ripe BBBY, JCG, TIF come to mind to buy puts. The mid tier casual dining stocks have had a short covering run as well look at BWLD and RRGB. These stocks have fantasy PE ratios. It seems no lesson has been learned.
Re: ? Archives..
Bev, Yes the archives menu block on the home page only covers items on this site, which runs under Drupal software. To see the older archives, just look at the top of any page under "Site Index" -> "Old Site Archives", those go back to 2004.
Things will look a little different as the old site ran on "TypeKey" a platform from SixApart, it had its problems and thus Bill put in the effort (and significant cost), to switch to the current platform with its many advantages.
Good reading, there's alot.
Quasi
Removing (ultra)short hedges/ Psychology of taking losses
Taking a hit (-0.2% of portfolio) on the FXP/QID I bought after hours last Friday. Going with the 'bears get clocked' thesis I posted earlier this morning.
As an aside, I'm finding that taking losses has become a relaxed (as in expected and therefore acceptable) and natural part of the trading process. All that practice cutting losses quickly over the summer is paying off.
GDX/GG/SLW all at 52-wk highs
Proof of concept, as they say.
Re: ? Archives..
Quasi
LOL.... Thanks!
ATI
ATI enter into a 10 year agreement with Rolls Royce, ATI sees potential REV increase of $750 mil to $1 bil. The daily just gapped up over the 50 day ema. This news has the potential to put a nice bid under the stock for longer periods
The weekly chart based between 9/26/08 and 3/13/09 15.00 and 44.09 and has recently pulled back to 31.33 (right now).
Long ATI, bought Friday because I have traded this a few times in the last 2 weeks based on price action and volume patterns.
I agree with Nemo’s post that Social Equity could be the problem. This heading gives rise to a broad array of topics.
I agree with Grym that the top three paragraphs will cause the discussions to become very sterile, but a more targeted topic.
So how does one blend Capital Markets and Social Equity discussions?
Edit: In deference to bsi87 the ATR (10) is 1.68 and we have already have a high of 1.91 so far today. So day caution.
Watch C volume
seems to be lighter volume. if we dont reach 500M shares traded mid day, and we cant reach 1B shares traded by 4pm, this would be a new trend.
SPNG
bought at .136
slw distribution
So given today's volume in SLW is already (after 30 minutes) an entire normal days trading volume, and SLW's price is not far from its open, I'm seeing the daily chart for SLW looking like a distribution day for SLW. Of course it could change depending on how SLV moves, but so far it feels like the big players are selling.
Looks like pretty strong resistance at 11.90.
Re: SPNG
Wow, big drop in SPNG, down around 40%
I might get a chance to buy it back under 10 cents...
The Dance
From July 26,2007
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"As to the overall market and gold specifically, the gold trend and cycle is a known lagging indicator of a broad-based Bull market. In a Bull fight, the Bear takes down the paper-backed securities first (credit market based interest-sensitive stocks) because they are the weakest storehouses of value. Next to come are the stocks of the companies that hold assets comprised of brand and patents and so forth because these companies have products and services people always need and use to some degree through thick or thin. Finally comes the commodity-based producing companies, which because of their control of the supply-demand economics can stay stronger longer. The strongest of course is the goldminer producing companies because gold is real money – a permanent storehouse of value. So, when the Gold Bear arrives on the scene, it is almost always a case of having desert to end the meal. By then, the rest of the market has already been consumed.
In the current market cycle, US Treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chief Bernanke have managed to support the financials longer (in their price trend and cycle) than most of their predecessors. But, in the end, the free market will prevail over intervention because the free market is based on natural law, where ultimately human nature will drive people to do what they are going to do in any event, with the passage of time.
So the focus on gold, unfortunately, means the market is quite late in its long-term cycle.
After a market pull-back through a complete Bear cycle, the Financials will be the seeds that first sprout as drivers of the next Bull. That happens because Bear markets send interest rates (ie, the price of money) down. We then borrow that money to build economically productive assets (ie, wealth); and the Bull then thrives and the Bear dies.
As I say, there is a rhythm to all prices. The market is a dance. Gold is the last one out on the dance floor before the music stops."
[Mr Cara]
Cara 100 Update (Final)
BBY - Price target lifted at Barclays to $44 from $42 on optimistic outlook for 2Q results. 2010 and 2011 EPS estimates increased to $2.96 from $2.92 and to $3.20 from $3.15, respectively. Maintain Overweight rating.
COST - Upgraded at Morgan Stanley from Equal-weight to Overweight. $64 price target. Margins should turn around, as sales recovery in non-food categories. Also see improvement in California stores.
DELL - Downgraded at Morgan Stanley from Overweight to Equal-weight. Stock is already pricing in better 2010 numbers.
IBM - Downgraded at Morgan Stanley from Overweight to Equal-weight. $145 price targe. Companies with transaction-based business model could outperform over the coming quarters.
PG - Target Raised, estimates cut at UBS. Shares now seen reaching $70. On the other hand, estimates were lowered through 2011. Even so, the stock looks attractive to buy ahead of a potential turnaround. Buy rating.
SNDK - Numbers boosted at UBS. Shares now seen reaching $18. Estimates also raised, to reflect higher demand for smartphone components and tight industry supply. Neutral rating.
china (FXI)
So for those of us who are bearish, China is a nice leveraged play on SPX. SPX has gone up slightly in the past few days, while FXI has really spiked up. It now has a daily RSI of 71, and is now within a few percentage points of its old high.
The intraday chart doesn't show a short entry to me yet, but I'm watching for one sometime today. I'm going to bet China won't break above its high, and it will lead us lower as gold exits the floor.
Re: The Dance
ha ha you've been digging Bev - thanks. I'm just thinking that unlike 2007 so much money has been thrown at the economy and thus the market that this cycle may be repeated once more, which to loosely paraphrase Bill, means the bigger they are, the harder they (may)fall.
Re: SPNG
Did you see the 100-1 reverse split they are doing Sept 22?
Re: The Dance
I have to admit it took a while to find it Les. But something I did notice while looking through the old reports was the amount of what I call "trading insight or guidance" that Mr Cara shared in those daily posts and reports.
Re: ATI
Yes, been on TIE also... ATI definitely strong on earnings power... rumor floating today that MT is interested... picked up on ATI board at Yahoo...
Re: The Dance/ Staying Alive (no, not disco)
Les- If one is a bear with a long-term horizon and currently in cash, betting on the 'fall' will pay off when the time comes. If one is a bear and currently short (even worse, short since July), then staying solvent is the immediate concern.
I think it was MarkW who posted a story in the Santa Rosa Democrat about a local builder who (like John McAfee) was worth $100m at the height of the real estate boom. And like McAfee, is now fighting bankruptcy. His 'strategy,' as best I understand, is betting on a reversion to the mean- that in time, his investments will again be worth something, which will then enable him to repay his creditors. Unfortunately, that may not happen in time.
Similarly, bears who went short in July and are betting on a massive sell-off this fall may be proven right. However (like the driver who insists on the right-of-way at the wrong time), they'll also be dead.
Re: ATI
baz22 agreed, TIE, ATI, and RTI should all be monitored for opportunity. The Boeing dreamliner (dream-nightmare) news on 8/27/09 kick started these three.
long slw too many on here are
long slw
too many on here are contrary indicators.....
Re: SPNG
sold at .15
MS
bought at 28.06
Re: The Dance/ Staying Alive (no, not disco)
2nd - Your argument is a matter of leverage. The unleveraged player does not have the same concerns.
Mechanics
I don't consider myself an expert trader by any means, as psychological 'flaws' tend to restrict my progress. Working on it, boss.
How do others here 'overcome' what I'll call self-destructive behavior?
I'm trying to become more focused on proper methodology (presuming I have an edge), with the goal that results take care of themselves.
Ordered Vad's "Tape Reading" book...maybe John Lee's "handcuffs" are needed even more...
more and more
I intend to retreat into a place of trading solitude for the rest of the day, but by way of explanation, I bought SLW as it breached it's previous high in a most interesting way. I was in at 11.97 and I took full profits at 12.07 3 minutes later.
For this is a good example of why posting trades is usually folly...except to gratify my ego. It's often too late to get involved, this game moves so fast.
I also really like natural gas for the next 3 months and especially CHK and NE.
Have a good day.
Oh I see here on my alert that Gasco energy just hit 34 cents.......This cold be a big winner in the coming months.
UNG rebound
So I just have to say, the two day reversal in UNG has been nice, but perhaps not as nice for me as it should have been. I even correctly guessed the capitulation day (which is gratifying) but I also partially capitulated (!) and sold off some of my holdings on that same day, for a reason that still escapes me.
The remainder is almost back to positive, but it is unfortunate that I didn't believe in myself enough to stick it out.
God only knows where UNG will go from here, its certainly looking nice chart-wise, but this is probably not something I want to stick with long term, given all its issues.
Moral of the story for me: an RSI of 7 likely does mean capitulation, even for something as horrible as UNG (or AIG, or FNM, or FRE, etc), if only because HB&B will stick it to the shorts to make some quick money.
Re: The Dance
Thanks Bev,
From July 26,2007...
Yes, I advised the non-believers then that "(by way of explanation) ... the focus on gold, unfortunately, means the market is quite late in its long-term cycle."
The DJIA was at 14000 that week.
Is there a person here who in retrospect would not have wanted to sell the market at that time. A year and a half later, that DJIA hit 6,440.
Then, did the market not start back higher in March this year with the Financials soaring? Then the consumers, then the techs, and now the golds.
Just remember that the farther that the $USD falls and the higher that gold soars, the bigger will be the negative impact on the US economy in terms of higher inflation and interest rates.
What could be happening is the market signaling a W-shaped bottom in the economic cycle, and possibly, depending on how low the Dollar falls, a depression. This situation is not looking good for you America.
In the bigger picture, though, I think we are in a Bull market with an Intermediate cycle top being put in. I doubt we'll see the DJIA 6440 level again because of the growth of revenues, earnings, cash flows, dividends and book values, and the historically low interest rates.
What concerns me most is that there are still so many buy-and-hold oriented "investors" and so many rules and regulations that restrict trading, which is the whole purpose of a free capital market. I fear that high volatility is causing so much profit by HB&B and so much loss by Mom & Pop that they will pull their assets out of capital markets and put it into gold and collectables. To grow a healthy economy, the world needs that capital to be put to work.
Paulson's Folly. You read it at the top. I said that books would be written. And they will.
The more these Interventionists screw with normal trends and cycles of capital markets, the more damage they will do. We need leaders with the common sense to leave these cycles to nature.
Re: Mechanics
Ron, I think what you are talking about is our built-in biases. Your awareness of the issue is the first step to change (I to am working on this too, it is a constant battle).
One you understand your bias and acknowledge it seeks ways to overcome. The great statement, Trade What You See and Not What You Think can go a long way to improving anyone’s results and I would point you in that direction.
I’m not familiar with Vad’s books (although I really like what he writes and generally think he is right on target) but Van Tharp has a peak performance course that looks into a person’s biases. I also think one of his books addresses this issue but not sure which one.
P.S. Spending time on an exit strategy will pay off big time.
Debated on whether to post this
I have debated on whether to post this, as I wrote it on 9/6/09. I decided to post.
Cara 090609
It is clear Bill Cara is frustrated and aggravated about the direction of Cara Community: Capital Markets and Social Equity; Perspective and Discussion.
I do not intend to be part of that frustration going forward and the way I intend to do this is the following: I only intend to comment on Cara 100 stocks per the RSI tool list (see attachment) as of 090609. I also intend to only comment on indices, technical indicators and sectors. I frequently trade stocks in gold and oil and do not want to be limited to just (GG, KGC, IMO, XOM, PTR, SU, ECA). I trade other oil and gold equities and since it’s a short-term dance with price, the purity of the company’s fundamental quality (per the Cara 100 screen) is not an issue to me.
As to Social Equity, I think that option is what gives rise to a broad array of topics which seems to be a cause of flash points. So no comments on any other topic other then the above Cara 100 list unless Bill Cara raises the topic and asks for comments, but even then I will most likely refrain.
That said, I’m generally not a wordy person or a gifted writer, but it amazes me how many people want to know why you made the trade and think that some 2 or 3 paragraph’s are going to give them the key to the kingdom of stock profits. Self education and study is the way along with mentorship when your lucky enough to find one (Bill fits that description to a T).
How many books has a person read? Here is my list see attachment (plus maybe 20 or so more including Bill’s, but I have not updated this in three years or so). Of this list 10 or 15 is all you need as it is generally just more of the same. And still at times with respect to the market I think I know nothing.
As to fundamental analyses, what are the chances that I’m going to discover something that an army of HBB analysts have not already un-earthed? This is why I prefer technical analysis and charts. With respect to options, I understand the basics and I’m a novice.
Whenever you buy a stock, regardless of any research you have done, after you have pulled the trigger, the result is unknown, with the exception of the inner circle that can basically move any stock any way they want. Learning to sell and developing a set of sell rules is one of the best uses of your time for your long positions (vise versa for shorts) and neglected by most.
That’s it from my perspective. From this moment forward I pledge to abide by paragraph’s two and three and if I falter please call me on it.
If Bill decides not to do this blog anymore, so be it.
Peace T3D
P.S. Having extra sets of eye balls or perhaps tens of thousands of extra eyeballs sounds great in theory. The problem is that everyone thinks that their stock is the one that is going to lead to that pot of gold. The reality is that we are a disparate group other than one main common interest.
Telestar,
what do you think of Harold's unrelenting buying of TIE from the $ 30's area ? This was a crazy one back then, even more today... His ownership position grows with each passing quarter.. all the chatter 2 years ago was about taking it private... It is amazing to go back and see all the ' strong buys ' that were coming out of wall st...
Re: Mechanics
Ron, I've quickly found that Vad's illustration of the mechanics of trades have been the psychological handcuffs needed to let winners run. I understand and rely more on the charts now instead of my own ideas of what is good or bad. See example of last two sessions. ARNA failed. CGA is in accumulation/consolidation and will probably bounce this arvo. Do not want to see further erosion of support.
volume has become big part of trading picture.
edit: CGA just failed as well. Took my stop.
Re: Telestar,
Sorry, Tel, I posted this just before your above mentioned comments... If no answer, then I totally understand... Besides, who knows what goes on in the mind of a CEO billionaire !!
Re: O Vey!
Bev - you made me laugh...
Below is a screenshot of what's available widget wise for us "world-time" impaired souls. Most came from Apple...Some are cross platform (and I have running) on Vista as well - I put them together when originally trying to learn FX session times.
Perhaps a starting point idea for others to build their own heads up quickie market display?
Re: Gold's last dance and Equities exit
Bert,
Your last para is what I'm thinking, yes.
Re the top for gold, I try to assess the day to day emotions that are affecting prices as they go through break-outs or break-downs.
A year ago, I had a 'glass half full' outlook, based on the public mood, but didn't see the deleveraging at the banks caused by central banks, which caused the emptying of the glass. I certainly didn't foresee a DJIA 6440 !!
Three weeks ago, the goldminers were on the verge of collapse, and sentiment was widely bearish. I stated my opposite view clearly and said I had lightened up a bit because my risk of losses had made me uncomfortable, but told everybody I expected one more move to 1,000 gold plus or minus 20, and that my goldminer weighting would not drop further until that spike occurred.
Rather than pick a top or bottom price, we need to think in conceptual terms. If the object of the exercise is to buy low and sell high, it makes sense to me to be buying into weakness and selling into strength. As I say, let the prices come to you.
As simple as that sounds, people don't like to do it because they are grounded in fear and greed, and market commentators are always pushing those buttons. The more trading you do, the more mistakes you'll make and the more you will lose. That will happen until you understand that as a wealth manager (or in the case of most of you, a manager of your wealth) your job #1 is to sell risk and buy opportunity. Sales people will tell you to buy risk and to sell opportunity because that's how they make money.
Do people want to work for salesmen (HB&B) or themselves? If, as a trader, you make the right decision, you have to learn how to sell risk and buy opportunity. That's what I learned from my years in the business. The only way to do that is to become like I was back then, which is to become a mechanic, rely on facts and objective data, and eliminate emotion to the extent possible.
People's emotions will carry gold to wherever. Nobody knows.
New PDF presentation from SLW
http://tinyurl.com/nz6x4k
more SLW
Now SLW is printing a tombstone doji, with huge volume - and we're not even done with the trading day yet.
WFR was touted this weekend ( on a paid site familiar
to all ).... around 11:00 am today, they announce a plant closing and cut rev.'s forecast by more than 10 %... yet, the related solar's, being pumped in print, are up big time today... It is SO dangerous out there....
Cara 100 on 090609 per RSI Tool
Oh, here is the Cara 100 list on 090609 per RSI Tool.
If there have been deletions/additions, please let me know.
TIA
gold here
what we are seeing imho is the reluctance of those long gold to stay long.
once bitten, twice shy.
even w/ the USD falling heavily we are seeing gold fall from its highs today quickly. this happened after several days of gold rising along side a flat USD. these things always balance themselves out if they get too too far out of whack.
when people were saying gold was moving up while the USD was flat thought a sea change was occuring. it was not and likley never will. gold will move up as the USD weakens to varying degree's but this relationship is fairly certain.
those hoping to see gold miners jump in the face of a collapsing market will equally be disappointed as all things revert to some sort of mean.
what im looking for to see if this rally has legs:
1. is gold moving up in most currencies?
2. is there volume on the mining shares on the way up and weaker volume on down days?
3. most TA indicators will be stay in an overbought range during large price run ups, i dont use these as a guide during a potential parabolic or longer term run. that being said, if the volume is not there in gold and gold miners and we see the SPY rolling over we need to take heed of the damage broken trendlines and RSI's moving down can do to the masses.
4. can we look to gold-bugs for an answer if this is a top or not? we know that there are any measure of ways to justify falling gold prices and put a good spin on them. right now we are told its a small sharp pull back before the real blast off. we forget how many times weve heard it and been wrong.
we are also told that after such a quick run up its normal to consolidate. this is in fact myth. look at an 8 year chart of gold, you will see a host of different scenario's that preceeded large rises, we saw slow consolidations, sudden explosive moves up, rises followed by re-test's of support. there is nothing we can say definitively about gold's move here in either direction in the abscence of volume.
5. will the FED jawbone gold lower? pretty much anything king Ben says will be taken as such if gold moves down. lets drop the conspiracy nonsense and admit that if GATA had sources that allegedly know something, they would have either been able to make enough money to stop asking people to pay for their services on their website or they would have been proven right by a source eventually showing actual evidence. instead we have nothing but conjecture and years of innuendo.
6. does gold bounce back quickly and close above $1000 by the end of the week? if so, it makes for great looking charts and makes even non-gold bugs wonder if this is it. especially w/ the USD looking to move below the critical 76-77 mark.
7. will the fed intervene to keep the dollar from sliding as Bill and others have suggested? this is more difficult to answer than we may suspect.
implicit to any action by the fed would be the time factor. how fast and how far will they go to react and how fast and how far must the USDX plunge before they decide to move. the USD has been in secular bear market for years and the FED has for all intents and purposes done nothing to stop the slide. why start at 74 on the USDX? especially if the broad market is still going up?
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good luck gang.
Re: Debated on whether to post this
Telestar3d
I am glad the "post" side of you won the debate. I enjoyed the read and even added a few of your rules to my list. But I wish you would reconsider about posting your reasoning or logic behind a trade. You never know what someone [newbie or experienced] might learn from it, no matter how brief the explanation is. Just my 2 cents.
What next?
"I fear that high volatility is causing so much profit by HB&B and so much loss by Mom & Pop that they will pull their assets out of capital markets and put it into gold and collectables. To grow a healthy economy, the world needs that capital to be put to work." Bill Cara
2 years later: would you agree that Mom and Pop are on the ropes, ie., in the US cash flow crisis? So their capital is effectively sidelined. HB&B has drained the cash cow. Which suggests that our economy is being run by the big players including external sources of capital. What happens if 'this thing' drags out another two + years? Will we all need to learn Chinese or just tape reading? Perhaps it's time to take your lessons to tomorrow's investors now...the twelve year olds who will inherit this debacle?
Traders quick to take profits - must wait till end of day to....
assess overnight risk. Crap financials (at least fnm and c) down. Top 10 NASDAQ weak. What's holding this market up? Gold only??
Re: O Vey!
aiki100
Interesting set up. When you master all those flashing signals on a busy trading day then I guess the attached will be your next set up. ;-)
Re: more SLW
Dave - looks to me that SLW just came back down to test its trend line on the 5-day charts after the morning hoopla. Its pretty difficult to be bearish on SLW unless you think that silver is topping. I think this morning's deal with Barrick has actually held SLW back as positions surrounding the financing (and the $11.10 discounted buy-in price) are unwound. Looks like a gift this morning - the Barrick assets are a huge addition to the cavalry IMHO.
Re: UNG rebound
davefairtex, I went through the same thing you did, that day. I'm still surprised I fell for it. I picked up some more shares at the beginning of the day, then dumped them later on... partly because I just needed some emotional relief and partly because I thought I'd have the opportunity to re-buy them at an even lower level, within the next 24 hours, which I did... but I couldn't pull the trigger. What a mess we become, when the daily RSI of a stock we're too committed to hits 10 (I was trading HNU).
I wonder... did the RSI on UNG go a fair bit lower than HNU because the premium was crumbling apart as well?
Re: Rebuilding the U.S. Securities Act
Gademsky,
From my first day on the job in the securities industry, fortunate I had been invited by the chief operating officer of the country's most prestigious firm, a person I respected, I could see it as an opportunist culture, and that its people were motivated to make as much money as they could, regardless of how they did it as long as it was ok with regulators and with management. I joined that firm because they said they would let me go to NYC to work with their top rated technical analyst Ian Notley. They reneged. I was ok with that although it took me a few years to really accept it. But I knew that a lot of what was going on inside HB&B wasn't straight-up and management either didn't know or didn't care. I was just a number that somebody higher up controlled. When I later moved to smaller firms, one with a big name but was relatively small in Canada, I could see that there was even more pressure to "seize the opportunity". Six years after I started, I obviously knew the ropes well enough to have Canada's most successful broker offer me $3 million plus the chance build something of value, so I took half the penthouse floor of the stock exchange tower (raw concrete). I think I did a good job -- had a beautiful office, great team from front to back office, leading edge technology, and all, plus Ian Notley (I recruited from DS at the cost of another million), under budget. I had delivered on my word. But my partner and I then had a falling out. He wanted me to devote 100% of my time leading my team, and I first needed to do some work for my top clients who also had put up millions to make the technologies and other things happen for us. By legal contract, I agreed to give up the reins as Responsible Person in Toronto and to move across the floor to the other corner office while I continued to do what I felt obligated to do for people who were next important to me. Then, I had my new contract not honored by the Chairman, so I decided to leave. I understood where he was coming from, and I respect him as much as I do anybody I ever met in the industry, and told him so two weeks ago when he threatened to sue me for my incorrect wording of a reference. All he had to do was bring it to my attention, and I would gladly have changed the wording to make it as accurate as I could, but, no, threatened to sue. This happens to me more often than I care for because some people don't like what I do or how I do it and they want to show their power. That's what HB&B is all about. It's their game and they want everybody to know who is the boss. As for me, I'll give you an example of how all this stuff is water off the duck's back. Six months after I left DS to take operating control of a small 40-person two-office broker-dealer, their Board decided to split in two and sell out to two bigger broker-dealers. I decided to make my own way elsewhere. But when I tried to collect the money owing to me, the key man on that Board refused. I had to sue. In discovery, their lawyer got disgusted with the client and stopped the meeting because they had no case. They gave me the money they owed me. Three years later after I started to build out the penthouse floor for the other firm, the first guy I called to recruit was that key man who had caused me grief. He was shocked I called. I told him he was a terrific broker (salesman), but probably not so good as a businessman. He accepted. He ended up marrying the daughter of one of those important clients I just referred to. So things work out when you deal in principle, and have integrity. In the two and a half years in between those two firms I worked for a big US name, and I was allowed to do anything I wanted from retail to institutional sales, technical and fundamental research, and corporate finance -- everything except the contract I signed, which was to develop and manage all their international trading between Canada and the world. They reneged. And when I did an $800,000 financing for a TSE-listed company, whose management was happy with me but furious with my employer for trying to screw with the deal, that management would not pay me my regular cut. In the business, you eat what you kill -- unless you are senior management (we call them floaters) clips you, and they always try. So, once again I threatened to sue my boss, the Exec VP, until he relented. Then we went sailing. He's a great guy, just not so hot a businessman. Look, the guys at the top of HB&B are animals. They are bullies. I don't care which firm you name. You have to be tough to stand up to them. Nobody has your back. Everybody wants your clients, your deals, any opportunity to make money. If a client has a million dollars, executive management feels its the job of the relationship manager to take half, and still make the client come back for more. In their minds they already have that half million already carved up: 25% for senior management, 25% for the branch, 25% for the firm's back office, and marketing etc, and 25% for the producer. If the producer is good, they'll go 50% for the producer and take the difference out of the branch and the back office, but they make sure they get their piece. Goldman Sachs has recently screwed a lot of their clients, taken their worst operating quarter in history, and all that, but their CEO pulled out his $40 million for the year -- because he believes the world owes him. I never met him, but he's probably a terrific guy. So, I am sure, are most of his peers. They are terrific people at parties and cocktail affairs. But 9 to 5 they are not looking out for you or me. I am not like that. I want to help build a better society. I wish they did, but it isn't going to happen in the culture they work in. For 20 years I have been outside that culture, free to say what I want, do what I want. You know what I want. But what I want most is to be my client's partner. I want to earn as much money as I can for my clients. But I want to do it in a way that I respect myself. Our motto is Vision, Integrity, Performance. I started at the bottom and quickly got to the top, but I never saw much of that from the leaders. The way they lead unfortunately is the way their employees must follow. Don't blame the employees of HB&B. I know so many of them personally that I can say that they get a bad rap. When something goes wrong, it's always them being pointed out. Unfairly. My fight is with the most powerful people in HB&B and the politicians and regulators they buy and sell.
Short question, but you got me thinking about my life. Sorry. I'm sure the grammar is a mess.
Re: Mechanics
Ron,
Did you happen to watch Consuela Mac Wealthtrack this weekend? Watch the Jason Zwieg interview. He describes the problem I have to a Tee. Perhaps you suffer from the same affliction, ie letting the emotions call the trades completely wrong? He theorizes that its literally built into our brains to react the way we do. I need to learn to USE and CONTROL this flaw for PROFIT rather than suffer with it for losses and reduced gains, LOL.
Re: Gold's last dance and Equities exit
re: assessing sentiment, risk and opportunity.
Bill - I find that there are few who are able to consistently and fairly accurately gauge sentiment, risk and opportunity. You are one.
Unfortunately, it seems there is no limit to people trying to sell the magic tool not to mention daily propaganda.
When you present your logic on sentiments, risk or opportunity, it seems obvious. But it bothers me, that I was not able to do the same prior to or simultaneous to reading it from you. Especially given that we most likely have access to the same data.
What way or method to approaching the facts and data do you find most efficient? How do you keep it from becoming overwhelming? Do you find stock charts, quarterly reports and fed data sufficient fact and data sources? Are there subscription services you would not find yourself without?
Re: Rebuilding the U.S. Securities Act
I didn't realise the industry ran in such a manner Bill. I thought Todd Harrison over at Minyanville was spinning a good 'yarn', but embellishing the conflict and crap he took in the job. I see why you are HB&B enemy number 1.
Re: Mechanics
Thanks for the suggestion. No question that our limbic systems rule the higher cortex.
Re: Rebuilding the U.S. Securities Act
Good Will eventually defeat evil, but at what cost, I don't know... A complete collapse of government and society ? One of my favorite books, ever ( read in college 30+ years ago ), was ' Anatomy of a Revolution ', by Crane Brinton.... Thanks for all, Bill......
Re: more SLW
So I hear what you're saying about all the good things with SLW. I like the company too.
But looking at what the daily chart will show, I still see distribution here. Big distribution. Look at price and volume 3 days ago - the stock moved an entire point under less volume that its had today by 1 pm ET.
Re: Debated on whether to post this
T3D,
Glad you decided to post. I, for one, always appreciate comments regarding
specific trades because they can help speed up the learning process. For instance, if you tell me you just bought XYZ and leave it at that, then I,
not knowing your trading style, would need to scroll through various
time frames to possibly find what you were seeing. If, one the other hand,
one mentions the daily, 5 minute or whatever chart, the reader can quickly
access the information.
danielj
Re: Rebuilding the U.S. Securities Act
Bill, I have copied, pasted and printed your comment to be read and reread.
It is a remarkable piece of writing on multiple levels.
Re: more SLW
"But looking at what the daily chart will show, I still see distribution here. Big distribution. Look at price and volume 3 days ago - the stock moved an entire point under less volume that its had today by 1 pm ET."
Sorry, but I disagree. Pull up a weekly chart and take a peek...SLW is good. These things are rising on lower volume because the underlying is rallying. It's really a misnomer that it's buying and selling that causes prices to change.
What really causes prices to change is an imbalance between buyers and sellers, in this case a level where most folks won't sell the stock. That's why it's rising, and doing so on lower volume. Is this the IDEAL time to go long? Of course not. It's never the ideal time. But last week the writing was on the wall. And this stock is being accumulated, if anything.
I should addd that I totally do not subscribe to the oft-stated notion that $1000 is going to be a top for gold, or a good selling oppty, and all that stuff about leaving the dance floor. That was true last time we were here, but not this time, probably.
Stocks are going up for darn good reasons having to do with the levels they fell to and their behavior since that time plus the dollar droppping, and that trend is still in place.
The time to sell gold will be when Obama's looking to be defeated and replaced by a strong-dollar talking Repub.
Re: Rebuilding the U.S. Securities Act
baz22 - "Good Will eventually defeat evil"
That is a matter of perspective and definition.
Re: Gold's last dance and Equities exit
Bert,
I pay no subscriptions and spend no time at all reading other bloggers or reporter/journalists. I guess I am a tape watcher. I spend hours looking at charts for possible cycles and trend reversals. The key is to look at them in peer groups, many at a time. If I have the time I will look over about 350 pages of charts for 3 or 6 company charts per page -- all with EMA, Stochastic and RSI lines and values and directional arrows. That's for the daily price data. Then there is the weekly and the monthly. Within a month, I hope to be running the real-time feed through the system, now that I pretty much have it the way I want. I created this system internally and selected the stocks and put them into peer groups that I think can best help me make decisions. Of the Internet-based services I probably use StockCharts as much as any, and I like INO.com and also both Finance.Yahoo and Finance.Google. I really like ADVFN.com and have set up 135 stock group monitors. Their real-time pricing is only $10/month, and if you don't mind 15/20-minute delayed pricing, it's free. I am in the process of setting up a research library of (hopefully) every info source that reports on the 210 stocks in my primary universe, and I intend to make almost all of that available to the public because without your volunteer help, I could not build it. For their advice, I listen to Pierre Brodeur and Pascal Willain, particularly when I am already close to a decision. They are like me, totally data driven.
A new global reserve bank?
The United Nations (UN) is talking about creating a new global reserve bank to issue a new currency to protect emerging markets from the "confidence game of financial speculation"
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&si...
Re: more SLW
Dave - I am inclined to think that the very high volume has more to do with the financing done today (Purchasers of the bought deal financing had likely hedged themselves in the options market in order to reduce risk). Those hedges are being unwound today now that the deal has been completed.
So I don't make much of the higher volume today. Were the high volume to have occured without the financing deal, I'd have a greater concern over today's action.
I'm not ruling out the possibility that Ben and friends are priming the liquidity squeegee for a good mopping (bull trap) which would hit metals and equities alike, but the signs are not evident to me yet.
Re: A new global reserve bank?
And the world will be a better place for it.
Re: A new global reserve bank?
:-)
Re: more SLW
shark- Nice post. You're a good writer. I think you'll attract more followers (and drop the dissenters) if you continue to write that way ;)
spec gas play
GASCO ENERGY GSX looking good. I will buy if/when it says howdy to the 200 day.
Re: more SLW
Not that I'm singling you out, man. For one, I know I've probably contributed more than my share of remarks that should have been edited (or remained unsaid). So whatever you're thinking- Touche.
Re: more SLW
The charts are saying to me, "now may be a good time to sell" given the daily RSI of 78, the weekly RSI of 79, and that possible medium reliability reversal candlestick together with the high volume. Its a percentages thing for me. Its more likely for me that this is close to the top, than we have a lot more upside left ahead of us.
Silver is such an industrial metal. Remember what it did during last year's crash? Look at the gold:silver ratio. It's at its low for the year - it may be forming a double bottom. This is also influencing my thinking here.
I'm talking my book. I sold out my SLW today at 12.03 right after the failed breakout at around 11:00.
The path to gold 2500
Let's say it gets there. Well, it has to vault past 1000 at some point. The USD is at the 52-wk low right now. Who's to say gold prices don't jump right now? It has momentum on its side.
Miners' Leverage to the Underlying Metals
I've seen the miners move at similar % rates to the underlying metal for quite some time now. The fall from their highs was spectacular when it took place a couple years ago, so it seems to me there's a lot of room to run at least to some of those highs once again in a quick parabolic fashion. Even if we stay in the $950 to $1000 gold range ($15-$20 for silver / and copper higher too), I would think these prices would go straight to juicing the miners' bottom lines. I would say the upside potential in miners is still much greater than downside right now.
- What would trigger such a quick rise to these previous higher levels, if anything?
- Wouldn't "selling risk" on the miners right now potentially miss a major move that has a fair chance of coming to fruition soon?
Re: The path to gold 2500
Let's see the Fed let that one pass 2nd. I'm with Doc Cosa on this one. I want to see gold hold 1000 for at least a couple of closings, preferably a week or more.
Given SLW's candlestick falling outside the upper limit of the BB's on the weekly chart and the distribution features evident in the 60 min chart, I'm not charging in head long for a piece of the action. Distribution IMO it is.
Haven't looked around much but all the action I see is in hot money chasing momo plays. Have a look at OPXA. Not sure where I want to be come closing - so probably cash for the night. I see solar is popping. STP is having a good run. Not sure I want to chase.
lot of scrambling going on at akrx
.................
AIG descending triangle
I'm seeing AIG in a descending triangle on a 30 minute intraday chart, with support at 34. It breaks down, next support is at around 30. Trading now at 36, down -4 (-10%) today.
Re: more SLW
Nice trade dave. Certainly can't fault anyone for taking a nice profit.
I've been playing HL and SLW long since middle of last week when I started seeing PMs and miners diverge from broader markets. Got lucky and saw this morning's selloff in SLW premarket and added some at $11.40. Unloaded some of the HL on the morning euphoria (some too early at mid $3.70s - before the real euphoria) for a nice profit and just added a small bit back into HL @ $3.73. Still riding the SLW as well.
Added some short exposure via SRS as a hedge (sold $15 Oct covered calls against to counteract erosion). Going in to today I had no net short exposure so leaning a bit more cautiously.
Upward is still the path of least resistance from my vantage point. There are too many people being left out of this rally due to extreme caution earlier in the year. Makes me think the only end to this broad rally may be upward capitulation (as unjustified as that may be on a "value" basis, it seems inevitable on a "price" basis).
As always, reserving the right to change my view on a dime!
Re: more SLW
Also failed to mention I am still riding the airlines: UAUA, CAL, and a little RJET as longer term positions (weeks/months instead of days) with OTM covered calls sold against based on longer-term fundamentals I have mentioned here before. Large chunk of cash and physical silver as well.
Must read article. Candid but bullish.
White House Holding USD Back, Pushing Gold Higher:
http://www.resourcestockguide.com/home_page.php?dr...
Re: Miners' Leverage to the Underlying Metals
At what point will leverage kick in for the miners?
(Please refer to my post #45161 above. It got delayed for review when I forgot my password).
taking yet another loss on the 3X ultra-shorts
On Friday I wrote that Tuesday will be the judgment day. A weak market would have moved down today, which would be a very strong TA signal for the start of the downtrend. Instead, the market moved up today. In the spirit of practicing "trading what I see," I sold all my TZA today with a hit of another 0.25% to my portfolio. My plan is to start *holding* a 3X ultra-short only when the downtrend is confirmed -- otherwise, I will be jumping in and out.
On the other hand, a buy limit order was triggered at $12 for a little more SRS today, and I have set a sell limit order at $12.50 for these shares.
Finally, I bought 10 contracts of UNG October $10 puts, which is a bet on contango erosion for UNG and also on its premium disappearing within the next month or so. UNG is up 7.2% now while October NG futures are up only 3.7% now, so its premium will increase today a lot.
consumer credit report
Saw this in econoday - 3:00 PM ET: Consumer credit shrinks -21.6 billion in August
This contraction was massive, unexpected, and had no apparent effect on the markets.
Mish would say this is deflationary. It certainly does not bode well for consumer spending.
Contraction in consumer credit reflects rising consumer caution as well as banking efforts to limit lending exposure. Consumer credit contracted $21.6 billion in July, a very severe reading and the largest on record. At $15.5 billion, June's contraction was also severe ($10.3 billion initially reported). July's contraction is the sixth in a row for the longest streak since the credit squeeze of 1991. Nonrevolving credit led the decline, at minus $15.4 billion in a surprise given cash-for-clunkers which kicked off late that month. It would be a big surprise if there was another deep contraction in non-revolving during August. Revolving credit in July fell $6.1 billion. The markets may ignore this report but policy makers won't as it works directly against their efforts to stimulate spending.
Re: Miners' Leverage to the Underlying Metals
to answer your question:
never.
there is no "leverage" in miners to gold.
there is only relative moves of the miners compared to a rise in the gold price.
the past 2 years or so have given us a clear and lucid example of the dislocation of the value of gold miners to their underlying product: copper.
as Fransix has pointed out before, very often miners like Yamana are by proxy subject more to copper pricing fluctuations than gold in that much of what they actually mine is copper. poor hedging in currencies and base metals has given us a host of problems w/ the gold mining group.
as we have seen, miners have lost most of their hedge books the past few years in order to benefit from a run up in gold, and yet with gold at $1000 many are at the same price they were when gold was much lower.
this is not leverage. it is perception.
miners tend to go up more %-wise during rises in the gold price and fall more during price dumps. but this relationship has varied for so long, especially the past few years that it is impossible to fairly refer to this relationship as "leverage".
some miners will go up more than others, and it is very difficult to predict which ones. i am of the belief that the jr. market is so heavily manipulated and full of crooks that they will only go up as momentum plays as a group and that a few select jr.'s will emerge but picking them has been at best a scratch and win contest.
having gone to the PDAC for the past 3 or 4 years I can attest to the multitude of men in nice suits pushing their wares while their stocks have done nothing but go down the past 3 years. they will be there next march too saying the same nonsense hoping the "leverage" play will make us buy.
miners are subject to so many different forces that it is a mugs game to hold these thinking they will at some point be free enough of problems to move up enencumbered by the variety of hedging issues they face. currency/base metals/precious metals/43-101 and financing. hence they have eroded in value because people move to gold in times of financial instability, not gold miners. this is not 2006...sadly.
bought more SRS
Right before the close, a buy limit order for a little more SRS was triggered for me at $11.50. I placed a sell limit order at $12 for these shares. The two SRS purchases I made today added up to about 1/2 of the value of the TZA I sold today (at the average price of $14.38). Basically, if the market is not ready to go down yet and wants to oscillate for some time, I would rather keep a 2X ultra-short (and trade it in small increments) than keep a 3X ultra-short that decays much faster on fluctuations.
Re: Miners' Leverage to the Underlying Metals
Thank you Dr. Cosa,
I've appreciated all your posts, and the cold water you throw on the PM bull arguments and how wrong they've been most of the time. That being said, what's to prevent us from going quickly back to 2006? I see many reasons for PMs to hold, and possibly increase, in value. It seems the jr. miners' "stories" could soon be retold once again with a shred of believability.
Re: Miners' Leverage to the Underlying Metals
anything can happen, perhaps thats why your handle is "bluesky",
i wouldnt bet on such an endeavour.
PM's will likely remain undervalued to gold so long as the impetus for a gold move forward is on the back of global economic instability, and ongoing instability of the broad markets.
the miners have as a group reflected this reality along with the many other facets of its business that have kept them back. my own opinion is that they will in general not perform as well as they historically have ever again without some sort of massive and sudden explosive upward move in the POG.
it we get a 1 year run up to $1200, i wouldnt be surprised at all to see the large caps just barely break new highs.
too many people are hesitant to see gold close above $1000 for more than a few sessions, and i think the many whove been bitten might jump ship real fast should their dreams of a sudden move through $1000 not exist.
today's action in the miners vs. gold is an academic example of this tendency. gold is at $992 and the miners as a group close lower on huge volume. that is your confirmation of people selling en mass. when the slightest gold weakness prompts large volume sales in the miners, you know something is brewing.
$1000 is not a given.
and once its reached, its not a platform for furture moves like we have been told. its just a number. remember that any weakness in the POG at this point can be explained away with things like "last chance to buy" or "normal consolidation" or "its a re-testing of support", remember what the gold guys are saying right now and the past 2 days, remember it clearly, then read what they say if gold falls $100. you will notice they repaint their comments, they will claim it only means the next re-test WILL BE THE BIG BLAST OFF...
heh he heh!!
one more thing about silver/SLW
Looking at the daily chart, I see silver has had a big run up - $2 in the past 6 trading days, or 14%., without a loss. Its daily RSI is 89, and the weekly is 73, Could it go farther? Sure. But historically during this last rally, silver has peaked with at an RSI right around 90.
I think we're in seriously dangerous territory here. At the very least, silver needs to rest for a bit before resuming its upward climb.
gold: trading what we see
My thinking about gold now is to "trade what I see" in a conservative way. What I saw is that gold moved up above 1000 and then fell below it. I don't think this kind of action is enough to open any new long gold positions. Besides, the equities can start selling off this week, which will cause the $USD to rise and gold to fall.
I currently have about 12% of my portfolio in SLV, 7% in GLD, 10% in UXG and 2% in KGC, which is another way of saying that I have a decent long exposure to PMs already.
My strategy is to wait until the end of the week and see what happens. If a sell-off in equities does not develop by the end of this week, then it maybe that the Big Boyz, upon returning from Hamptons, decided not to take the market down for a while longer, until the signs of a double-dip recession become clear (which might happen only in early 2010). If, in addition to equities not selling off by the end of the week, gold will move above $1000 once again, then that will probably motivate me to place 1% of my portfolio in $98 January 2010 calls on GLD and stay with that position for a few more days. If the equities still don't sell off and gold is still above $1000, then I can place about 5% of my portfolio in the $90 January 2010 calls on GLD and also sell some out-of-the money puts on GLD for another 5% of my portfolio. After that, I'll re-evaluate the situation again and will take the appropriate action.
Re: Miners' Leverage to the Underlying Metals
I agree with Dr. Cosa about miners not being the best way to obtain leverage to gold now. The broad market is very vulnerable to a sell-off now or at least to a long period of sideways motion. Miners tend to follow the broad market to a large extent. Thus, my personal strategy is to obtain leverage to gold via buying deep in-the-money calls on GLD, which can give the precise desired amount of leverage.
Re: Miners' Leverage to the Underlying Metals
I think the common error in looking at leverage is to try to assign a static multiplier to describe a given companies' leverage, i.e. "3x POG", etc. Leverage is inherently non-linear and subject to number of factors besides price of the underlying metal on any given day including credit markets, broad equity markets, by-product metals markets, input costs like oil and equipment, etc.
For small producers or non-producing companies, leverage is much more linked to the credit market than PM market. As the last couple years have shown, a big pile of rock with some good drill holes can become virtually worthless if there is no money to develop it (NovaGold comes to mind).
To summarize, I would say gold producers revenue is levered to POG. Their earnings (and thus stock price) on the other hand are levered to multiple factors. It ain't as eady as slapping a "4x leverage" label.
econoday tomorrow
Tomorrow we have:
7:00 am MBA Purchase Applications
7:45 am ICSC Store Sales
1:00 pm 10 Year Note Auction
Re: Miners' Leverage to the Underlying Metals
"perhaps thats why your handle is "bluesky""
Dr. Cosa,
You nailed it! But my blue sky turned into deep blue sea with mining stocks. Still had some disposable income this last couple of years, and have made good profits on what I bought "after the gold rush" with HL and MGN. (Maybe I should book profits on these?). Also waiting for some smaller names to get a pop.
Discourse B-type post
Not sure how to proceed here after a rather confusing weekend. Like when an old Boss we once had, who periodically railed at us all when a few stepped-out of line, I'm unsure if I'm a guilty party or not.
Anyway, following up on some research regarding cycles that I started after Gold did it's 'lil surge last week, I read the following paper this weekend:
"Dynamic Strategic Asset Allocation: Risk and Return across Economic Regimes"
(see attachment #1)
Among other things, I found it interesting that Commodities had their "best runs" during the recovery and expansion phases of the economic cycle (Table 4). It made me take a look at DBC today, for the first time in a long time: it certainly doesn't look too overbought, does it?
Also, using the St. Louis Fed site, I was able to recreate 3/4 of the paper's regime indicator (unemployment, credit, and ISM Index) but I don't understand the 4th component: Earnings Yield %. Perhaps someone has some insight?
I found the historical chart on Credit Spread (Aaa vs Bbb) to be most interesting, explaining well why overweight in high yield corporates (in Canada) have been such a winner since December. Basically, we had an unprecendented, seismic, +5-sigma event. The spread is still a bit above normal but rapidly closing.
(see attachment #2)
$1000 oz gold
The G20 meeting on Sept 24-25 could result in a new reserve currency if the BRIC countries get their way and the POG high for now.
Edit: From ContraryInvestor via Jesse's Cafe
Seasonality of the Buck ... going down.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_H2DePAZe2gA/SqbX9m9pISI/...
Now, what's going to pull gold down in the next few weeks?
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view
Mac-
So I find myself pondering the long view.
(a) What if I had simply gone all-in at the height of negativity (which I did, the first week of March '09) and stayed in? What if Doug Kass' call of a 'generational low' was correct (it probably was), and I could have left the buy-and-hold half alone for twenty years? What made me so sure that clearing the table at DJIA 8000 in mid-May was a smart move?
(b) (Speaking of seismic) What if I had bought income property in San Francisco's Marina district in the months/years following Loma Prieta (I could have)?
(c) What if I had bought C @ 1, TCK+SLW+BAC under 3, or shorted oil @ 140?
Why is it so easy to plan these moves from afar, yet impossible to act on them when at hand? Frustrating, no?
So what are the 5-sigma events unfolding now? Are there any?
(d) Is NGas under 3 a long-term buy?
(e) Is the $USD a buy?
(f) Should I be shorting bonds with a 5-year horizon?
(g) Should I have refinanced for 30 years @ 4.875%? (I did, and I still think that was a good move.)
I can't pull the trigger on (d), (e), and (f). Probably for the same reason I was unable to pull the trigger on (b) and (c).
Is anyone sitting on positions in (d), (e), and/or (f), with a multi-year horizon, and holding with conviction? If so, I'd like to hear about position sizes (percentage-wise), and if you've been holding longer than a few weeks, how you manage the volatility (emotionally).
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view
"Is anyone sitting on positions in (d), (e), and/or (f), with a multi-year horizon, and holding with conviction?"
While it has been testing my patience greatly, I, as a Canadian investor, have been holding an unhedged position in S&P 500 - albeit not a pure $USD play - since the New Year. I knew full well the risks, and actually intended to hedge 1/2 the position, but something has prevented me from doing so, to date. It's been quite refreshing how it's behaved in the face of all of this normalization. It's actually in the green and I'm looking forward to the upcoming quarterly dividends.
re: Nat gas. Prompted by David and Bev's interest in such, I've kept an eye on it - yikes! Closest I have to a position in it is a Canadian Income Trust fund holding I started in December. It's baffling: the income has been dropping steadily but the Nav has catapulted 35% upwards. It's by far my shakiest position.
re: Bonds. I closed all my Dec. TBT in June and for the same reasons as my U.S. $ stuff, I've actually been adding to Bonds all year long as a hedge against calamity, and while they have been, generally down-drafting. They've been doing their thing - rallying on those days when $'s flee risk. And while they too have tried my patience, I've decided they might be o.k. to hold until next Mar-Jun, or so, when we're likely to see some Fed raises. Basically I'm using them as Money Market - a class which, in Canada anyway, has now ground to ABSOLUTLEY ZERO return.
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view/ Property values
Let me add-
(h) How many think property values/real estate prices right now in San Diego, Miami and Las Vegas represent (or at least approach) 'generational lows?'
(And if the answer is 'No,' did you think likewise when TCK/SLW/BAC were under 3? When the SPX was at 667?)
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view
"Money Market - a class which, in Canada anyway, has now ground to ABSOLUTELY ZERO return.
Mac- I hear you. On the other hand, zero return is considered good (or at least acceptable) to investors who are expecting Armageddon.
There are some upcoming events
for XOMA, that will have an impact on share price.....
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view
"On the other hand, zero return is considered good (or at least acceptable) to investors who are expecting Armageddon."
You'll remember this issue from last September:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&si...
On the way to work this A.M. I was trying to imagine what stresses were being placed on MM managers today with their clients in these "safe" investments reading that they are now getting NOTHING in return. What must it be like when you run a multi-billion $ fund with blocks coming due in months ahead with a pittane of return and your clients clamoring today for their $ so they can jump into equities, or the like? It's all so unnatural.
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view/ Property values
Hey 2nd,
This kind of stuff always interests me, so I'll bite.
Quick bit of research shows median resale home price by county for July 2009 ranges from 300-435K. Variability within counties can be huge.
http://www.dqnews.com/Charts/Monthly-Charts/SDUT-C...
Hard to find hard numbers, but looks like median income in San Diego is $45K/person or about $75K per household.
That gives a best case scenario of house price to income ratio of 4 (300/75), which is already above average. Use any other combination of numbers and it gets worse. But the historical average might be higher in San Diego
300K mortgage means about $1600/month mortgage. Plus property taxes and upkeep, I'm guessing brings it close to $2000/month
Quick search indicates average rent for 2 bedroom apartment is $1200. No idea how accurate that is or how that scales to house rental.
My feeling is that it could be made to work, but I think the numbers will get more favorable in the future. In other words, I think prices will fall more. If nothing else, prices are highly unlikely to jump, giving you the sensation of having 'missed the boat'.
Just my 2 cents...
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view/ Property values
proudPapa- Thanks for the numbers. I would add one caveat- What if housing prices continue to drop over the next two years, but interest rates begin to rise? If paying cash for the property, then waiting makes sense. If buying with 20% down, it's less clear. It's entirely possible that buying today v buying in two years becomes a wash, at least in terms of monthly payments.
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view/ Property values
Being a mid-westerner all my life, I have always thought RE on both coasts was insanely priced and so do I today. The faster it goes up the harder it falls. Its like a high beta stock nowadays.
re: Nat gas --- I don't see a short or intermediate term upside. Too much gas too soon. Thats why I have a short going on with a small, predominantly gas producer. But that is a hedge because of my bigger oil producers.
re: Money Market and bonds --- both not good but what you gonna do until you wait for the price of that elusive, growth and dividend paying stock to come to you?
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view/ Property values
Not that I follow the guy but Robert Prechter said recently that we will be in a deflationary cycle for the next five years. He says to wait until then and one can buy all assets on the cheap. The problem is that by then no regular guy will have any money to buy anything. That being said I like you live in California; you in Northern and I "down below" in San Diego. Considering the problems that have come to a head in our state budget and all of the implications that go along with that and the major problem that we in Southern California have with the water shortage, things will begin to get real ugly . Neighbors in my subdivision of 70 homes in a gated community all on two acres are watching their grass die out and some are beginning to remove it altogether and planting ground cover natural to the area. I believe that a point in time in the not to distant future we will be required to shut off all water to the outside of our homes. How do you think that will affect our home values? People are moving out of this state more than they are moving in now. My home in early 2006 was selling for 1.2 million. I paid 645K. Now it is worth I would say 875-950K and I believe going lower but at a slow leaking pace.
As far as the other comments that you made if only I as well as many here had only let Bill manage our money we would all be enjoying that purchase of GG at $16 and SLW in the $2's. You get the picture? Bill has the skill of knowing "how to hold um and when to fold um". At present I don't.
If I have to listen
to one more convoluted and contrarian economic theory, to one more person quoting a guru and describing what HAS to happen, I'm gonna shoot myself in the head.
It isn't about guru's ruminations or bizarre fiscal figurings.....
the answer my friends is inside of you. Which is good news. That means you can beat this thing.
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view/ Property values
A while back I looked at what Japanese mortgages had done since 90's. If I recall they hovered around 3.5% for around 2 decades. I don't see why we couldn't see similar here for several years yet (chronically low rates)
No more hedging at Barrick
http://tinyurl.com/nd6thf
"The hedge has been an albatross around their neck. The higher the price of gold got the deeper they were in the hole," Ing said.
A concise article on Silver Wheaton / Barrick deal
"Peter Barnes and his team at Silver Wheaton Corp. would have liked to have soaked up some of the spectacular weather in Vancouver this summer. Instead, they spent much of the last three months locked in negotiations with executives from the world's largest gold company to finalize what Mr. Barnes calls the hardest deal of his life."
Continued...
http://tinyurl.com/kmx8ot
Re: No more hedging at Barrick
ALOHA !!
DUH ... With a partner like JP Morgan who can go wrong?
Obama speech wed night
this post is not about politics. but when he pitches for the public option on national tv, I am expecting rough seas for healthcare stocks either wed or thur.
Who really cares about this healthcare issue when you have all this debt/unemployment/housing.
sounds like another distraction to me. I plan to tune obama out and watch real tv, something like the discovery channel or national geographic.
"how to hold um and when to fold um".
Greg et all,
That is the essence of why I am here. Thats my belated response to Bill's question from last week. His comments and simple RSI tool are ongoing gifts which I wish I had received years ago. Buy and hold, in the new paradigm, is dead as many recognize. Unless you are super rich but even those folks have had a big decrease in wealth.
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view/ Property values
proudpapa,
Cash for clunkers was one way for the government to keep the price of cars higher or as "one" said to keep the bias inflationary rather than deflationary. By eliminating the new car inventory and disposing of all of the usable cars turned in it creates demand and maintains prices for automakers. This concept of deflation is working for me particularly. My mortgage reset in July from a rate of 4 5/8% to a rate of 3.25% for the full year. That is because my margin on the loan is 2.75% plus the one year treasury. I have no interest in refinancing to a fixed. The idea that we are going to come out of our economic straights anytime soon is a government myth. This situation is going to last years. The markets will remain irrational longer than most can remain solvent.
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view/ Property values
"...keep the price of cars higher or as "one" said to keep the bias inflationary rather than deflationary. By eliminating the new car inventory and disposing of all of the usable cars turned in it creates demand and maintains prices for automakers."
Problem is, that only worked for 2 months or so, and artificially pulled demand forward. I bet we hit an 8 million annual car sales rate in some month before the year is done.
Wouldn't doubt if the $8K house credit has similar consequences.
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view/ Property values
2nd - I think you've hit it on the head. Interest rates I think WILL rise, which will drag property values even lower, which will cause yet more walkaways and folks unable to move, so no more move-up buyers.
I think that dynamic will end up dragging down property values MORE than what you might expect from simply the interest rate move alone.
My mom has rental units in San Diego, and she said the situation has definitely become more difficult - her same tenants have a much harder time paying rent on time, and so her her units are more stress and work than before, because of course her mortgage remains the same regardless if they pay or not.
Re: If I have to listen
Shark said
"If I have to listne to one more convoluted and contrarian economic theory, to one more person quoting a guru and describing what HAS to happen, I'm gonna shoot myself in the head."
amen
:0
Time to put the prehistoric graphs and charts that used to work in the 90's in grand ma's attic.
It's a day trade until we get a global currency.
You have to be Street "Shark" to trade this market.
that my vanilla beans
vb
Re: Discourse B-type post
Mackinaw said:> Among other things, I found it interesting that Commodities had their "best runs" during the recovery and expansion phases of the economic cycle (Table 4). It made me take a look at DBC today, for the first time in a long time: it certainly doesn't look too overbought, does it?
Mack, you're probably aware by now that commodity ETF's are in all sorts of trouble, as rumblings from Washington threaten their future. Deutsche Bank just canned an oil ETF:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Deutsche-Bank-to-Liq...
Unfortunately I can no longer look at DBA, DBC along with the well known example UNG (and other energy ETF's) and determine whether they are fair reflections of the resources that they seek to track. When one fund manager suggests the oil price is 25% speculation, one has to wonder how far Washington will go in "picking easy fruit" in its drive for "far reaching and thoughtful" regulation by making life incredibly difficult for these ETF's.
Mad Hedge Fund Trader...
...sees NG in a meltdown, speaks with real people who are 40% down in clients asking "what recovery?", remarks on the implications of El Nino and looks at the big money rush to buy land and agro/chemical companies (huh, the new trend is in and a new bubble already forming)
http://blog.madhedgefundtrader.com/
For a real example of acquisition, see attached. Look where investor volume by price is - BANG! Someone with money just put a new floor under CRESY (Argentinian farming/real estate) on the 60 min. chart. The daily offers a little more hope of a pullback but you get an inkling of the reflation trade already at work and under the radar of the retail investor and general public. Gold ain't the only game in town. Although I have not checked, investments in the companies quoted in Mad Hedge Fund and here COULD be a reflection of investor uncertainty in ETF's given the pressure building upon them.
RSI System - 400 stocks listed
Following Bill's system, I prepared a long list of 400 stocks to monitor, including many SP500 companies, and many worldwide big ones listed in New York.
The links are here:
from A to K: http://xrl.us/bfi4qi
from KB to Z: http://xrl.us/bfi4rf
At the end of last week, the situation was quite neutral (not bullish, not bearish) with just 11 sell alarms, 1 distribution zone and 2 buy alarms.
After yesterday there are only:
5 sell alerts, 7 distribution zone, 2 buy alerts.
But looking at the data, you can find 122 stocks with RSI7 weekly higher than 70. It's a lot!
ABX
ALOHA !!
ABX management have called it wrong since day #1 ...
Not only have they failed miserably to capture the POG upside over the past five years but they have just now come to the conclusion that gold has more upside as the POG hits $1000USD. What was ABX management thinking when POG first went over $400USD? $500USD? $600USD? $700USD? $800USD? Or were they listening to JP Morgan?
Read this statement here in the news release about their new decision to buy back their hedge book.
"Barrick has made this strategic decision to gain full leverage to the gold price on all future production due to:
- an increasingly positive outlook on the gold price. The Company expects global monetary and fiscal reflation will be necessary for years to come, resulting in an increased risk of higher inflation and a future negative impact on the value of global currencies; and
- continuing robust gold supply/demand fundamentals.END
How much do these guys get paid ... and for what?
Then there is this little beauty...
"The gold hedge book has been a particular concern among our shareholders and the broader market which we believe has obscured the many positive developments within the company ..."END
Pardon me ABX, but what business is it you are in? I think I would be concerned as a shareholder of ABX if POG was at $1000USD while management had me locked into contracts to sell gold at $375!
What about ABX financials, all reported in GAAP except for the footnotes are all NON-GAAP! HA!! Where's the KoolAid?
So now ABX will dilute like hell and sell off all their assets to SLW and somehow that is creating "value"? SLW is the industry "carperbagger" for all the under funded bogus business models. What does ABX owe SLW in the event they fail to produce, known as force majeure?
Another concern comes to my mind and that is this out of the blue $3B DILUTION DEAL with the prima donna deluxe bankers ... Why is the ABX management picking this time to dilute if they truly believe they have more upside by de-hedging or is all their massive CAPEX catching up to them?
Now if I see the CEO, Aaron Regent, suddenly announce he is leaving the company to spend more time with his "family" then I will go JEFFREY SKILLING and short ABX like the GOLD ENRON it truly is!! HA!!
BIGGER IS NOT BETTER ... BIGGER IS DANGEROUS!
Thank you Bill for removing ABX from the CARA 100 ...
GOLDMAN FAILURE
ALOHA !!
Okay ... well, we were told Goldman Sachs did not participate in the SubPrime 1.0, but I guess they buy into the NEW SUBPRIME 2.0!
READ ON:
Senderra Funding - Wholesale - Agency, FHA
2009-09-08
It isn't clear precisely when, but Senderra Funding has completely ceased all wholesale lending. We spoke with two different inside sources who both confirmed that any brokers who had continued to do business with Senderra past the division's near-complete shutdown in March of 2009 were no longer doing so.
Ailing Listing - 2009-03-18: Several sources have confirmed Goldman Sachs' Avelo Mortgage, L.L.C. dba Senderra Funding has eliminated all but a handful of its wholesale broker relationships. We're given to understand that Goldman Sachs has issued a "gag order" to discourage Senderra Funding employees from speaking about the company's situation. According to one source we were able to speak with, prime mortgage servicer and Goldman Sachs' subsidiary Avelo Mortgage, L.L.C. inherited a book of "bad business" when Goldman Sachs acquired subprime servicer Litton Loan Servicing in December of 2007.
We heard Senderra's remaining wholesale operation exists to "sprinkle some good stuff in to move the 60 and 90 late retention loans" to make the Litton portfolios saleable.
Original Ailing Post - 2009-03-10: Brokers are telling us they are hearing from their reps that Goldman Sachs' Senderra Funding is either exiting or drastically reducing wholesale operations, maintaining a retail presence in the Charlotte, NC area only. The memo -- which appears to be a form letter customized and emailed to individual broker clients -- announces 2009-03-17 as the last day for submitting locked loans:
"During this time of unprecedented events and changes Senderra Funding has chosen to limit our future mortgage originations to a more targeted customer base."
That seems somewhat ambiguous, but the rest of the letter is more succinct:
"Effective immediately no new rate locks will be accepted online at www.senderra.com. Effective immediately no applications may be accepted."
One source indicated this is not a complete shutdown of wholesale. "Senderra Funding is scaling back their wholesale unit and have decided to almost eliminate all broker relationships. In fact they are only [continuing] to do business with 10 broker shops in the entire country."
Senderra Funding is a dba of Goldman Sachs' subsidiary Avelo Mortgage, L.L.C. headquartered in Fort Mill, SC and lending in 47 states. Available volume info indicates average monthly volume for 2007 was $30.8 million. Goldman Sachs acquired Senderra Funding, formerly a subprime lender, in April of 2007 and transformed it into an FHA shop to refinance their portfolio of subprime mortgages as reported by Bloomberg in a 2008-11-19 article entitled "FHA-Backed Loans: The New Subprime."END
LINK: http://tinyurl.com/kwyz9n
Hummmm??? Average monthly volume $30.8BIL USD ... In 47 states ...
THE NEW SUBPRIME 2.0 ... It seems GS won't risk anything without a US Taxpayer safety net or a marked deck!
FHA Challenge--it's our money!
For the first time in years, the FHA funding reserve has fallen to 3%. In 2007 that reserve was 6.4%. Legally, the FHA funding reserve cannot fall below 2% or they have to stop funding. Interestingly, the Fed has determined they won't be propping up FHA further, at least for now. The reason may be due to higher FHA foreclosures with such banks as Wells Fargo, Bank of America and their recent acquisitions who specialized in FHA and Sub Prime. Those same major banks, if you recall, just pulled a number of their riskier products off the rank (manufactured home loans, construction loans, condo loans) and raised their credit standards. Underwriters are now cherry picking files and denying borrowers who clearly fit FHA profiles, just not THAT investor's view. Is there any question why HB&B want to start their own government backed loan program? FHA has proven to be a tough guarantor, wanting proof for everything imaginable and prosecuting banks like Taylor Bean Whitaker who fell afoul of their systems by closing them down with little warning.
The whipping boy in all these government guaranteed scenarios is the US Tax Payer. WE are the ones guaranteeing loans to banks so THEY don't lose when borrowers default. This is rather simplified. It's very real. As Kaimu called it: the US Taxpayer net = a marked deck!
Yesterday's trades
I've learnt not to buy pre-market and the example of ARNA is good reason enough, but as a seller I'm increasingly convinced, with this amateur hour movement the market has adopted recently, to sell pre-market and monitor for reentry. See attached 5 min charts to see my reasoning. ARNA on daily is in a symmetric triangle and I am interested in following it until it breaks out or down. As it was ARNA has fallen back to the 50 dma and I will monitor today for reentry.
CGA shook me out as indicated on the 5 min chart. I wanted to see it hold at the support level indicated - it didn't so I dumped it. Without daytrading privileges I was not eager to reenter the trade either as it resumed an upward trend shortly after. I just noticed on the daily that CGA might be creating a bearish trend channel. Again will monitor but less likely to reenter.
A little perplexed by yesterday's action. crap financials down. my holdings being whipsawed. Top 10 NASDAQ showing varying levels of strenght - ORCL, EBAY & GOOG noticeably down. Had a quick look at foreign markets through Ishares and market vectors on the hourly charts. It's anecdotal observations only but not impressed with what I saw. A few examples attached. I like the gapping up in India to jump the downward trend line. Canada touched a high and receded. Russia respecting resistance as MACDh is descending and RSI shows its overbought.
Decided to stay in cash overnight. With volatility in Asia and Euro markets this morning, perhaps a good thing. Someone suggested to Ron Sen that a particular human weakness was used to his advantage in trading. I've found the SEC ruling on daytrading to be a great set of handcuffs in my decision making process. Given the limits on how many daytrades I can make per 5 day period I have slowed right down and am more cautious in my picks. I am using the SEC's ruling to benefit my trading decisions.
No more emotion either. I monitor 5 min. charts for my holdings - like when I was a) a pilot and b) a soldier I've developed a habit to look continuously for a) emergency landing spots in the event of engine failure and b) cover from fire in the event of a contact. Always looking for support lines and implementing them into my decision making process. Ticker fails support - I sell that sucker. Funny - these varying activities share a similar decision making process.
GL today.
Re: GOLDMAN FAILURE
Kaimu, we received an email like that every other day from the WAMU's to theTaylor Bean's for the last two years. Often it was just an Account Executive farewell with no explanation, followed by the news release. When TBW went down if you had a locked loan on funding the funds never appeared and other opportunist lenders offered to close our 'fallouts'. A painful explanation for the stack of new closing papers to one's exhausted borrower followed with profuse bowing and scraping to the Realtors tapping their fingers, Senderra and similar named mortgage banks often sold their loans to the chartered banks like Wells and Chase. No co-inki-dink? GS was the bagman. Or in this case, the re-bagger.
Cara 100 Ratings Changes
Good morning.
SNDK - Upgraded to Buy @ Deutsche Securities. PT Raised from $16 to $23
Resistance
Resistance:
Just watching price movement it is obvious that the market is resisting upward pressure.
Curious, from 2:PM to close yesterday I plotted up/down NYSE volume as follows:
2:00PM
up = 419.35M, down = 292.67M: net positive vol = 126.68M
2:30PM
up = 457.13M, down = 296.20M: net positive vol = 160.93M
3:00PM
up = 508.52M, down = 318.35M: net positive vol = 190.17M
3:30PM
up = 559.23M, down = 335.42M: net positive vol = 223.81M
3:55PM
up = 732.00M, down = 436.27M: net positive vol = 295.73M
Close
up = 860.91M, down = 446.23M: net positive vol = 414.68M
One would thing that with such an increase in positive volume that the market would have surged higher. I did not.
Re: "seismic, +5-sigma event"/ The long view/ Property values
To all interested in real estate:
You may find these data interesting since they are not skewed by bankers or the government. The National Council of Real Estate Investment Fiduciaries has reason to take the realistic view however dire it may be.
Also, as the article points out, the pension funds invested in commercial real estate cannot simply value properties to their dream values as banks do.
Oh, the inconvenience of reality re: the REAL STATE of real estate :-(
http://contraryinvestor.com/mo.htm
The "Other" Real Estate Issue—Revisited
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2nd_ave, Thanks for your comment, "Please continue to comment." In deference to Bill's wishes (It is his site.) I'll try to avoid anything besides financial related posts.
Warning: All my fist fights from grade school thru the army days were one punch—thrown after holding back until I could no longer stand it :-)
Real Estate
Does anyone have data showing the ratio of residential and commercial real estate?
loannetter/real estate
loannetter
Wanted to share my housing report. After a 6 month search which took me to a couple dozen houses for a look and probably gave my real estate agent an ulcer, I finally closed a deal, buying a foreclosed property owned by Deutsche Bank. In the end, my agent was able to locate the property for me and I bid on it the day it went on sale and the bid was accepted soon thereafter as my strategy was to leave little time for anyone else to get their due diligence done on the place.
The house is a 2-story 2000 sq ft. brownstone town house in old South City in St. Louis. 117 Years old and located in the historical district near where the beer barons lived in Victorian style mansions at the height of the St. Louis brewing boom. Near local parks and walking distance to two of St. Louis' nicest fine dining resteraunts.
Since the house was foreclosed on, utilities were turned off and the place was generally left unnatractive and unkept - I had to take the risk that some things may not work properly, but inspection of the system revealed they were fairly new all around. A few lights on and a vacuum job would have done wonders for the sale price. I am still in amazement of how the foreclosure process works as it is baffling to me the lack of concern on value once the property is foreclosed on.
This house went on the market at the end of July at list of $99,000. House had been foreclosed on for $148,500 last year. This is a 3br/2.5 bath house that should rent for at least $1000/mo and possibly more. Seeing that the list price was undervalued and in my opinion was low enough to spark interest in this desirable price range, I bid $100,000 the day it was listed and requested the seller to pay up to 4% of the purchase price in closing costs, which was accepted. I think part of the attraction of the bid was that I used conventional financing (which is apparently unheard of right now) and was willing/able to close by 8/31.
Went off hitch free. 5.25% 30year fixed. 20% down. Seller paid closing costs which included 1 year of homeowners insurance, title fees, and used the leftover to purchase points down on my loan so that none of the 4% was left on the table. Now I need to amend my return to get my $8k from Uncle Sam to put towards a few repairs.
All in all an emotionless process. The listing agent probably could have cared less what the sales price was as long as he could get the minimum ask the property owner was looking for. He got his listing bonus with virtually no work as the place was under contract within a week of listing. At least for the low end of the market, it may not be "the bottom" but I am not sure there will ever be this amount to choose from at once from such indiscriminate sellers.
Re: loannetter/real estate
Billy I noticed that you plan to amend your return. Is this the normal way to get the $8000? My son just purchased a repo and was thinking that he'd apply the purchase to his 2009 return - is this not correct?
TIA
Dave
Cara 100 Update
BBY - Price target lifted at Merrill/BofA to $42 from $40. 2010 and 2011 EPS estimate set at $2.75 and $3.05, respectively. Reiterate Neutral rating.
suspicious - futures flat after opening dip & positive gains in
Europe. Quick fakeout to start the day? I like Bill's idea on the GDX group - thanks.
Here's a chart from John Lee. Note the symmetrical triangle. Let GLD fall a little, don't know if it will fall back into the triangle and then another opportunity to go long.
http://chart.ly/kx926b
Re: loannetter/real estate
Sundance- Nice. Gives me an idea of how the process works.
If my youngest and I pass through St. Louis on our way around the country in 4-5 years, we might stop by and check it out. Sounds like an interesting area of the city.
Re: loannetter/real estate
jdb633,
As I understand it is possible to amend a 2008 return in order to get the $8000 expedited. I have not yet sat down with my accountant to find out the details but I understand that it is possible to amend the 2008 return. Maybe loannetter can shed some light?
Re: loannetter/real estate
2nd
I ended up learning a little bit more about the foreclosure process than I originally envisioned. It was somewhat stressful process but I think it will help me down the line should I consider real estate investments in the future.
You are always welcome to stop by. Within walking distance of the Anheuser Busch Brewery where you can take a tour and hang out in the wonderful complimentary beverage room at the end!
HBAN
back in at $4.01 on the equity raising. I think this will be viewed positively.
Also bought a few September $14 calls on GE at $.80.
NYSE Aims to Boost Options Business With Goldman Sachs’s Help
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&si...
UXG
Mr Cara... I remember you mentioning once that you held a position in UXG. Any chance I could get you to share your thoughts on where you think this stock is headed?
ABX capitulates
Barrick Gold and their bullion bank partner J.P. Morgan were the target of lawsuits by the gold bulls, most recently Blanchard and Company, for price manipulation through the use of forward sales in their hedge book. The contention was that the selling was being used to manipulate the price of gold.
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/
OK, I understand what Kaimu was on about. They were in collusion with JPM.
Descending Triangle forming intraday on $GOLD?
bullish or bearish?
Re: Descending Triangle forming intraday on $GOLD?
Les we are talking to ourselves.... Mr Cara started a new blog.
Re: Descending Triangle forming intraday on $GOLD?
Bev - you were asking where UXG was going. My take - descending triangle (if it is that) is bearish and offering the long opportunity soon enough. The brief mention given to this was to help others like yourself decide what you want to do with the miners you're holding.
UXG on the 15 min chart seems to have found a bottom at 3.25 (2 cents below present price) but what is next support following that if gold drops heavily overnight? Do you want to hold or sell now and reestablish a new long position? (rhetorical question for yourself).
I question bullish or bearish nature because 64% of the time breakdown occurs:
http://thepatternsite.com/dt.html
Probably a given answer I suspect because of the upside resistance at the moment and Bill's comments. Sorry - I have bad habit of not fleshing out my comments sufficiently to be crystal clear. I hope this is more useful to you.
Order on the dance floor
I always found mnemonics helpful, being memory challenged.
So I use "Oh My Gosh" to remember Bill's Oil-Metals-Gold dance sequence.
MicroTehnicus
real estate caboose--late!
Nice foreclosure story Billysundance! Sorry I had to sleep! I'll repost on Wednesday. Most foreclosures (Realtors have so many listed they can't keep them up) are in need of cleaning up but it's definately buyer beware. I've heard of pipes filled with concrete by the angry departing owner. The $8000 Tax CREDIT is for April 08-December 09 purchases. One wonders what the hue and cry will eventually create come April 2010 for the earlier credit that has to be paid BACK?
Exerpt from IRS RELEASE:
For 2008 Home Purchases
The Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 established a tax credit for first-time homebuyers that can be worth up to $7,500. For homes purchased in 2008, the credit is similar to a no-interest loan and must be repaid in 15 equal, annual installments beginning with the 2010 income tax year.
For 2009 Home Purchases
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 expanded the first-time homebuyer credit by increasing the credit amount to $8,000 for purchases made in 2009 before Dec. 1.
For home purchased in 2009, the credit does not have to be paid back unless the home ceases to be the taxpayer's main residence within a three-year period following the purchase.
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=204671,0...