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Cara's Commentary & Community Chat, Wednesday, Jul. 15, 2009

The Gold Man blows away earnings, yet the stock market yawns (GS + 0.16%), as long premium traders get crushed. The past few upside earnings surprises have pushed Goldman’s stock up an average of 17.06 dollars, so bullish speculators may have figured the July 150 at the money calls were a bargain at 3.62. Well the stock did actually move higher, but owners of the 150 strike lost nearly 45% of their money; traders long the August 150 calls hoping to minimize the near term premium decay fared a bit better, losing 1.08 (-12%) but still have 5 more weeks to turn a profit. While most retail order flow tends to buy lottery tickets (out of the money options), market makers happily sell as much premium as their risk managers allow, knowing the odds are squarely in their favor. Rather than swinging for the fences hoping to hit a home run, focus on a high on base percentage, selling dreams with defined risk, using strategies we loosely describe as playing “Billy Ball.”

Tonight Intel (INTC + 2.08%) knocked the cover off the ball, beating earnings estimates and raising guidance. In after hours trading, Intel gained over +8%, propelling S&P futures up another +1%, setting the stage for a rollicking rally on Wednesday.

Technical traders keying off the much discussed heads and shoulders formation were burned badly as the false breakdown below the neckline quickly reversed, forcing most of us to cover short positions at a loss. An impulse wave carrying the S&P above the last swing high at 930 could paint a picture of diabolical symmetry, lathering up Bulls just as prices were about to turn down. In this market it pays to expect the unexpected.

Even though these projections seem painfully obvious, traders still need to try to time investment decisions to maximize their rate of return. Blindly buying shares of a “high quality” stock will lead to losses if you consistently purchase it after fundamentals turn up. The market is a discounting mechanism looking 6 months into the future; what everyone knows isn’t helpful when trading. We use the RSI 7 tool to help time our trades because it deals strictly with price action, telling us the odds favor a trend reversal.

Buy and hold investing assumes no one can time the market. This is just a ruse by HB&B to gain control over our funds. Take control of your financial destiny.

(the traders' conference call notes are the result of work by CTA traders Patrick Veech and Geoff Goetz)

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Why is slw up 4 pct on old gg mine news?

Slw pr last night was a full two trading sessions after the same pr from gg.

Regardless, gold is finally moving. But is it only because of sympathy with the broader move?

Mark- Cut exposure on NGas?/ UNG at 12.80

UNG up 2% pre-market. If I were at 120% of allocation, and the current bid is 1.5% above my basis (correct?), I would take the opportunity to cut back.

Gold Rolex

Ya know when you're a little short at the end of the month and realize you need to pawn that gold rolex just to make it through? No? Ok. Well, that's kind of what happened to me yesterday, referring to the screwdoodling I received, sans lubricant, selling Yamana at the close yesterday. After crossing the 20-day and holding, Yaman spiked to 9.09 near the highs of the day. The darn thing SHOULD have risen, if ever a stock should ever do anything. Then a half hour later somebody was selling the shares they'd stolen from me at 9.20 aftermarket.

Into the close the damn thing dropped to 904, 905 where I sold it because let's face it...Had I held the stock overnight gold would be DOWN 12 bucks instead of up...You know what I mean. Things always work out when you don't "need" them to, and NEVER work out when you do.

Since I had a massive position I got massively robbed from. And I'm pissed.

Where the heck is Bill?

Cara 100 Ratings Changes

Good morning.

ADBE - Upgraded to Buy @ Kaufman Bros. PT Raised from $25 to $32

New Coverage:

CSCO - Citigroup Initiates with a Buy.
DB - FBR Capital Initiates with an Outperform.
JNPR - Citigroup Initiates with a Buy.
NKE - UBS Initiates with a Neutral.

PT Raised:

INTC - from $18 to $22 @ Credit Suisse. Outperform
INTC - from $12 to $23 @ Auriga U.S.A. Sell
INTC - from $15.50 to $18.50 @ FBR Capital. Market Perform
JNJ - from $57 to $61 @ Credit Suisse. Neutral

Adding a little short exposure

QID- to 25% of allocation @ 31.97
FAZ- to 25% of allocation @ 45.53
SRS- opening a position @ 19.94

Still holding a small position in INTC July 17 calls

Re: Gold Rolex

Bill is in Cuba, taking a break. He'll be back at the end of the week.

Bill Carrigan

Further to Bill Cara,s mention about Bill Carrigan in 4 July WIR, I found a site that lists his latest stock picks,he also mentions Tech. as the theme for the next 5 years due to BRIC expansion,link below for anyone interested.

http://tinyurl.com/3s4b38

Financials picking up steam> FAZ to 30% of allocation @ 45.20

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Call For Super Chicken!!!

When you find yourself in danger,
When you're threatened by a stranger,
When it looks like you will take a lickin', . . .

Re: Gold Rolex

Nice. Always wanted to go....

On to the analysis......We are seeing, here as the first ten trading sessions of the second half come to an end presumed divergences from that range on the part of the dollar, shich seems to be setting up to go lower, and stocks/commodities, which seem to be ready top rise.

Just want to note...after the worst ever weather in April, May and June, we are, I am puzzled to report, having absolutely the NICEST July weather in the entire history of the world. High 70's-low 80's every day and nice and dry.

Thinking a lot about 1979 and 1980 lately.....Forgive me if I tell these stories again today........About summer camp in the Berkshires, about how Thurm died and then the 3 counselors were killed in a drunk-driving crash, one of whom was my swim coach.

Then in '80, summer camp on Cape Cod, sailing, listening to The Dead for the first time, getting a little peace..........Yeha there was a girls' camp next door.

Re: Call For Super Chicken!!!

"When you find yourself in danger,
When you're threatened by a stranger,
When it looks like you will take a lickin', . . ."

Personally, I would run like hell. (Is that a Super Chicken?)

Re: Call For Super Chicken!!!

Baaawwwwwkkkk!!!!

Cara 100 Update

JNJ - PT Raised from $54 to $60 @ RBC. Sector Perform

JNPR - Upgraded to Hold @ BWS Financial.

gold is up because

Gold is up because the buck was stepped on and squashed last night starting at around 130 AM. Currently its trading in the mid 79s. Probably had something to do with INTC's earnings.

Denniger thinks that INTC's earnings do not presage a general recovery in tech, so be warned. Without reading his material, I'm (mostly) on board with this.

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1216-I...

After listening to Meredith last night, I'm going to close out my XLF short sometime today. US taxpayers are going to get another - screwdoodlling - courtesy of "the mortgage mod PPIP", and HB&B earnings will benefit, at least short term. She sees asset writeups across many big banks on MBS of up to 15 points as a result of mortgage mods. She calls it "a real game changer." Your Tax Dollars At Work.

Bulldoze the ‘burbs?

"A story last week in the Telegraph, a British paper, describes how the city of Flint, Mich., a former industrial powerhouse now facing depopulation and plummeting home values, is dealing with vacant housing.

The solution? Bulldoze entire districts, returning the land to nature, and concentrate the population in the urban core."

http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2009/06/...

Superchicken

...even he had his trusty sidekick lion Fred.

Head and Shoulders deja vu

"Technical traders keying off the much discussed heads and shoulders formation were burned badly as the false breakdown below the neckline quickly reversed, forcing most of us to cover short positions at a loss. An impulse wave carrying the S&P above the last swing high at 930 could paint a picture of diabolical symmetry, lathering up Bulls just as prices were about to turn down. In this market it pays to expect the unexpected."

This is total deja vu. Can't remember the year but the situation is like recurrent dream: everyone and their brother is talking about head and shoulders, CNBC talking heads draw it and explain the formation, all of a sudden it becomes the "phrase of the day" and remains at the front pages for weeks. You would think there is a new religion or cult, The Great Head-and-Shoulder or something... Of course the next thing to happen is jump up burning all newly turned chartists who suddenly discovered H&S...

Re: Superchicken

JVS3- Which is what front-running is all about, man ;)

Landry

For the technically inclined.....
"Random Thoughts:

Not a tremendous amount of follow through on Tuesday but futures
are strong pre-market.

However, it still looks like the indices and most sectors have
topped.

So far, the Market doesn't seem to care what I think.

As usual, one day at a time.

The database continues to produce a plethora of shorts and
virtually no meaningful longs. I'm seeing setups in Energies,
Internet, Manufacturing, Selected Health Services, Financials, and
Leisure.

Again, futures are up big pre-market. For the aggressive, watch for
opening gap reversals (OGRes)---see lessons at www.davelandry.com
and read "discretionary rules" at
http://www.davelandry.com/servicesample.htm"

Re: Head and Shoulders deja vu

"burned badly as the false breakdown below the neckline quickly reversed"

That would be liposuction, Vad. In this case, I don't think it's going to hold long.

gold here...

im not buying the action in gold at this point.

we have seen many times before the spike into the market open followed by a downward consolidation and next day plunge many times before after larger down moves.

until gold can clear the $950 range, and show confirmation with some decent volume in the miners im sitting back. there was a nice spike the last few hours, but with the market about to open there is a drift down, if it bounces back and continues its move up then mabey 1000-gold-ville is really just at the next highway stop, though i have the feeling most of us are using out-dated maps. careful here.

USD would need to take a dump towards low 79 or high 78 to break out of its upward wedge pattern on the daily chart. this will likley result in a downard MACD crossover and the RSI 7/14 will both turn down proper. TA will look bad but becareful, we have seen this here before.

remember, if its the big move, the one all the gold bugs wont talk much about but secretly hope it happens one morning, we will all know about it, there will be no mistaking it. the current climate has tricked us with the feeling that we need to jump on board or we will miss the move only to buy on spikes and cry on breakdowns.... so lets just watch before we get excited.

Re: gold is up because

davefairtex

Thanks for the heads up on Denniger's remarks. Very insightful!

Re: Head and Shoulders deja vu

Hi, vad.... you might be thinking of Dec. 2004 - Feb. 2005, with lower line in late April 2005... cakewalk up to 14,000....

CTB

This has probably one of the most bullish charts of those I've been scanning.

And for those who believe in green shoots, CTB has earnings estimates that range between $0.55 to $1.30 for next year, and currently pays a nice dividend as well (3.48%).

http://chart.ly/5x7pct

might have to move rimm order up to $ 66.68 ......

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Re: Head and Shoulders deja vu

Actually, not even. I think it's just a massive short position squeezing the neckline with a bad tie.

Re: Superchicken

If I had any super-vision, do you think I'd be running around dressed like this?

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Re: -NQGS @ 0.30>> Off @ 0.90

Not sticking around to find out if INTC gets bid up any further.

Adding to FAZ @ 44.70

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Re: Bulldoze the ‘burbs?

I have suggested the same thing for our city where we are once again back to (an admitted) 13+% unemployment.

Instead today's paper is bragging about the soon to be acquired "free" government money allowing the widening of a length of road which will "increase retail development in the area."

Never mind we are now adding a supporting $3 million to the recently remodeled MetroCentre ($23 million) which in 25 years has NEVER made a profit, nor has it "restored" the downtown district.

Never mind that one shopping mall is virtual ghost town, another has been turned into a church and several others now have large gapping holes as Circuit City and other big boxes have packed their wagons and rolled off into the sunset.

Stimulus dollars will provide the construction projects (total benefit), destroy more farm land and blacktop will create more run-off issues, but HEY, IT'S FREE MONEY!

SPY > 92....What's your take, nemo?

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Opening SDS @ 54.82

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Re: Elliot Wave Assessment On Gold

Wave amplitudes follow prime number sequences, so the same should apply to the gold chart. The Elliot Wave analysis of numbering waves in fives allows us to organize our outlook on a target value for the peak of the gold bull market, as it has already advanced well along its life cycle. The gold bull market will not last forever, the best that can be expected is that gold will reside in its inflation adjusted value from some time before the gold window was closed in 1971. I am assuming that we are now in a '5 wave' up, and that the gold bull market is going to go parabolic.

Jim Sinclair's assessment of the price peak of $1650 may be very accurate.

The following chart shows the prime number sequence 1 - 3- 3, resulting in a peak value of $1626.81/oz, but there is another possibility that the wave amplitude prime number sequence may reach 1 - 3 - 5, leading to a possible peak value of gold of $2711.35/oz. How long the gold price advance takes to repair itself after reaching a major correction along the way, especially after ~$1650 will be our indicator whether the price moves higher after reaching it. We will not see a wave amplitude of 1 - 3 - 1, where the gold price levels out at ~$542/oz., because the number has been unceremoniously left in the dust.

Given that currency devaluation is a probable outcome of the depression should sovereign bond markets collapse, then the adjusted value of gold will not deviate much from these two possible outcomes.

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Cara 100 Update (Final)

BMY - rated new Overweight at Morgan Stanley. $22 price target. Expect encouraging news on potential blockbusters.

INTC - price target lifted at Merrill/BofA to $21 from $19 as improved demand drove impressive sales upside. Maintains Buy rating and 2009 EPS estimate at 58 cents.

INTC - numbers raised at UBS. Price target raised to $21 from $18. 2009 EPS estimates raised to 80 cents from 55 cents. Maintians Buy rating.

INTC - estimates raised at Goldman to 93 cents from 67 cents for the current year and to $1.00 from 95 cents for 2010 based on higher sales and improving margins. Maintained neutral rating and price target of $15.

JNJ - estimates boosted at Morgan Stanley through 2011. Company expect lower currency losses. Overweight rating and $63 price target.

Re: Bulldoze the ‘burbs?

Grym - Ever see a poor politician? Hmmmm . . . Free money for whom?

Re: Head and Shoulders deja vu

ALOHA !!

Vad ... Maybe within the next few years we will see the CNBC format change from BH to DT! What sort of "contrarian" thoughts would that provoke?

There was a time when HEAD & SHOULDERS was just a shampoo!

XLF back above 12

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Coal Stocks

anyone follow coal stocks at all? ACI seems to have move far less than the others. Any idea why?

Opening TYP @ 19.98

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teamonfuego- What can I say? What a call!

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Max pain 90 on the SPY?

Sounding a little better now.

Re: Max pain 90 on the SPY?

According to CBOE #s, July MP is 91 and Aug is 92.

Re: Coal Stocks

some has to do with clearance ( and arbs ) of their buy of Australian fields... some to do with their natural gas hedges... some with Goldman's neutral rating last week.... be patient, as their coal will be in demand for some time.

ONE TRILLION DOLLARS

ALOHA !!

"ONE ... TRILLION ... DOLLARS!" (to be said like Dr Evil)

As of Monday, July 13, 2009, according to the US TREASURY DAILY STATEMENT the USA has just crossed over the $1TRIL USD mark for spending on Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. On Monday those three line items total to $1.02TRIL USD.

The two "mystery" line items labeled "OTHER" and "UNCLASSIFIED" on the US TREASURY DAILY STATEMENT will most assuredly cross the $2TRIL USD mark by the end of this week, since by the July 13th count they are sitting at $1.98TRIL USD.

That means five line items will now have a value greater than $3TRIL USD within a ten month time period for FY 2009. That does not even include DEFENSE spending or any other TARP BAILOUTS or the rest of the vast, endless WELFARE STATE of GUARANTEES AND PROMISES that we fondly refer to as A-M-E-R-I-C-A!

I can't wait to see what FY2010 will bring ...

This is all OBAMA and the DEMS now. They are out spending BUSH & CHENEY and the REPS like they were fixed income retirees! In fact when I think of OBAMA and the DEMS I think of the "Housewives of Orange County"! That's about the same level of morality and greed that exists in DC now ...

If people are not sure that the DEM & REP DOG AND PONY SHOW is DOA then there truly is no hope for the US Dollar or America. As goes the US Dollar so goes America. They used to say that about GM, but in reality none of this has ever been about any one company or any one bank, its all been about the MONEY ... its all been one GIGANTIC GREED FEST for all of us, like any other past EMPIRE!

GOVERNMENT IS ONLY AS HONEST AS ITS MONEY ...

Re: Coal Stocks

baz - my thinking is that if oil was manipulated higher and most likely won't be spiking higher any time soon, then alt energy will be subdued. that means coal will still be ok even despite clean energy initiatives, which take forever to gain any momentum. also, with china hoarding natural resources coal will probably still be in demand for some time to come...with that being said, I don't like ACI's balance sheet at all...

Re: Coal Stocks

ALOHA !!

I like SRL-Straits Resources(traded on the ASX)as a combo coal/gold play. That company has made me close to a 300% return over the past ten months. I met with their VP and head geologist at their offices in Perth, Western Australia in Jan 2008. I liked what I saw and what they showed me ...

Recall that everyone was in a huff because the XOM big brass did not want to go the "alternative energy" direction last year. Yet yesterday they announced their NEW "algae fuel" play, spending $600mil USD on development with SGI. I like it ... I have mentioned "algae" here before as a fuel source and I am impressed. There are so many PLUSES for algae.

Way to go XOM!

If we could dump these idiots that rule us and make HEMP into a fuel source then that would revive World farming. I would use the rest of my acreage here and the 2,200 other acres I have and start farming HEMP.

The first diesel engines ran on HEMP oil ...

Looking out from the beach (SRS/QID/TYP....FAZ)

SRS above water.
QID/TYP treading water.
FAZ getting pulled out with the rip tide.

SLW quick & dirty chart attached

http://i25.tinypic.com/33x8ub6.jpg

I believe the longer term ascending price channel has authority over the potential forming of the h&s top pattern.

Volume and overall markets will be the determining factor. Watching for right shoulders to form or be void if price can exceed above $9 on strong volume.

If neither occurs and price is so weak that it falls below the bottom trend line of the price channel again, i guess its lower from there.

GLD - Inverse straddle started

GLD - sell AUG 92 calls and 92 puts @ 4.5 credit. Small position to enter. My breakeven is 87.47-96.6 which is a nice range between areas of both support and resistance. If gold remains rangebound this is a good place to be. If not, then violation of the 50,10 dMA or the 22 weekly MA to the downside will cause an adjustment. A breakout over 95 on momentum to the upside will also cause an adjustment.

The straddle is close to delta neutral but slightly negative.

Very near term, RSI(2) on the GLD daily chart is very overbought at 97.25 and OnBalanceVolume is leveling off. So, I expect a pullback on GLD to around 90.5-91.5.

Re: Coal Stocks

agreed....thoughts are aci may trend toward $ 12.50 - $ 13.00...however, I would not be amazed to see ACI being purchased in the next year... FTEK is being touted (again) and could actually see a decent move ( $ 12.00 ?? )... contracts continue to slowly come in.. haven't focused on Fuel Systems lately, and am still looking for ENER to crack $ 10.00... MLM will do good with limestone for scrubbers, but to caught-up in aggregate trade for now (like their balance sheet Much Better than VMC )... take care..

Re: Looking out from the beach (SRS/QID/TYP....FAZ)

I'm with you 2nd...you can see the yellow fin of my submerged Cadillac from where you are....keep the faith, patience is a virtue.
down 3% on FAZ, not so much...LOL!
It's like a TDF sprint, they have to run out of gas sooner or later.

I'll add a few more if we get back to 43.31
Have a stink bid on QID at the 52 wk low. Come get me coppers!

SLV - rolling

SLV - rolling JUL 14 naked short put to JAN 13 naked put @ .50 credit. Closing JUL 16 short call hedge for 80% profit.

I thought that getting assigned long shares at 14 might be a good idea a few weeks ago but 13 is looking much better. SLV RSI(2) is extremely overbought at 91.51 so my guess is the rally of the past few days is coming to an end so I'll use it as an excuse to get out almost even.

Coal

Until coal can be mined with less damage to the environment, and burned with less than the now horrendous amounts of carbon, mercury and metal emmisions, I have to keep away.
Simple: it's bad news for the planet.
"Clean Coal Technology" is years away, and the price may prove prohibitive.
I'm all for nuclear generation, with the nuke being already in operation and 93 million miles distant.

Ciao, Z.

Re: gold is up because

gold was oversold. Now at the trend line and previous resistance of the BB SMA.

http://tinyurl.com/m7963q

edit: stupid me, gold's blown that. I'm outta here.

cheers.

Intervention for 2nd AVE

Vadym, send over the ambulance. I got the oxygen and the party favors. We're bringing 2nd ave over to Bill's house by helicopter in order to effect a 6-week market intervention, to disabuse him of the idea of buying short etf's when the banks are doing the proverbial moonshot. Hell, even C is having a day of it.

And BTW...Where are you when I need to sell a position? Nowhere to be found:)

Isn't it funny you only need to read the first 6 words to know

how the story ends.....

The Story:

A Russian-made Iranian passenger plane........

(carrying 168 people crashed shortly after takeoff Wednesday, smashing into a field northwest of the capital and shattering into flaming pieces. All on board were killed in Iran's worst air disaster in six years, officials said.)

I'd rather fly up a ramp and over 75 Volkswagons in 2nd's Toyota!

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

shark- Chill, man. I'm only up to 25-30% of allocation in the ultrashorts. As of right now, the portfolio is down < 0.5%. Save the O2 for when I really need it.

MADE IN DC

ALOHA !!

Last week I mentioned that the new GM cars will bear their new label "MADE IN DC"! Made in Washington DC ... No longer competitive and headed to bankruptcy, which was largely due to GM management and the GM Union, now comes out anew having to face its competitors in Japan. These competitors in Japan have generations of auto manufacturing experience behind them, as if by inheritance they even have a "car" genome in their DNA. GM has generations of union welfare and bailouts behind them. So what is it exactly that GM will produce now that the GM management is the UAW? So, who is the new CEO of GM? In a recent WSJ article he was described as this ...

"If the Obama administration was looking for radical change at the top of General Motors, it probably won’t get it with Fritz Henderson, the company’s chief operating officer who is succeeding Rick Wagoner.

Henderson, after all, is a GM company man who has never worked anywhere else. And, for much of his career, he has been one of Wagoner’s golden boys ..."END

The article then went on to speak of his accomplishments at essentially M&A type feats in the BRIC nations. Yet, he is mainly a "money man" as he was GM's COO. What about innovation in design and technology and marketing and all the rest of the components that make up a successful competitor to go against the Japanese juggernaut?

Then there is the new GM Chairman ...

"June 10 (Bloomberg) -- Edward E. Whitacre Jr. built AT&T Inc. into the biggest U.S. provider of telephone service over a 43-year-career. By his own admission, he becomes chairman of General Motors Corp. knowing nothing about the auto industry.

The 6-foot-4-inch Texan nicknamed “Big Ed” said steering the nation’s largest automaker after bankruptcy is “a public service.” People who know him say he can meet GM’s need for the type of transformation he orchestrated at Dallas-based AT&T.

“I don’t know anything about cars,” Whitacre, 67, said yesterday in an interview after his appointment. “A business is a business, and I think I can learn about cars. I’m not that old, and I think the business principles are the same.” END

Its going to be a tremendous "uphill" struggle for GM in the coming years. In such an economy as we have now, with massive unemployment I am not so sure that GM will find new customers unless they go the TATA route ... DIRT CHEAP! But then once the UAW owns you you can forget CHEAP!

This article on MISES totally explains how I feel about the "missed" opportunities here in America due to the corrupt two party system.

LINK: http://mises.org/story/3547

There is a great photo of BUSH morphing into OBAMA that really is visual depiction of the two party system. CHECK IT OUT!

What can I say? WE VOTED FOR IT!

Okay ...

Re: Elliot Wave Assessment On Gold

Hello Fransix!!

I'm very interested in learning about Elliot Wave Assessments. I can do the standard wiki search and buy books from Amazon. Do you have any recommendations as to the best book or resource for learning the basics? If it matters, my background includes a strong base in mathematics.

Thanks in advance.

Shannon

So 930 it is.

Nice call, tof.

AIG

for those gamblers out there...anyone have a sense this is going higher only because everyone thinks its going lower?

Re: Coal Stocks

kaimu,

What broker do you use to trade ASX listed stocks?

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

I'm chill. Not as chill as faz/sds,....They are deep-freeze yo.

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

Yeah, well I like mine on the rocks. And right now, FAZ IS on the rocks.

Re: Coal Stocks

ALOHA !!

IB ...

Re: So 930 it is.

S&P up by 20 points in a single day. A bit much, don't you think? Still no guts to go short - earnings season and OPEX = things will go nuts.

Lemme splain something.....

Many smarter men and women than me look to the first 2 weeks of the 2nd half of the year to establish an "opening range", the divergence therefrom will often set the tone for the 2nd half.

No need to be surprised by what mr.market's doing...mr. dollar has gone to the nursing home and is presently spoiling the sheets.

Re: Lemme splain something.....

Darn. No I can't even read. Shark - what does that mean in plain English?

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

My girl Meredith told me banks were going to be on a roll, at least in the short term. I'm going to believe her. All those write-ups of MBS securities are going to make them look awfully good. And in advance of this, I'm absolutely not going short. Maybe AFTER earnings I will...

Careful - Watch VIX if you are long

Always suspect the rally when the VIX is climbing while markets are climbing. VIX should be falling off the table (like monday down 9%), but alas, it is stagnant and climbing somewhat. Bloomberg has real time quotes with vix:ind

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

"well I like mine on the rocks. And right now, FAZ IS on the rocks."

Put it in a martini glass and call it Super-Sauce!!! Present tense would be: Super-Sauced, as in: I'm Super Sauced, Super Chicken!!!.

Re: Elliot Wave Assessment On Gold

Just consider it a wild guess on my part that Elliot Wave is for the better part an oversimplification, but it will do for now.

Where is the gold market going, what should be our expectations going forward? $1626.81 is the appropriate target considering that wave forms will have multiples in progression during a bull market. A wild, mania infused screaming market will produce a very temporary price of $2711.35. And since the price is very near to where it should be, then our bull market is about to go parabolic to reach that target.

The gold price should reside in its inflation-adjusted value to just prior to 1971 (of which I am unsure of the price) after that.

If you look at the oil market since 1998, when the oil price bottomed, then you have a series of higher waves, based on a '5 wave' count. The oil price market corner has an interesting price multiple advance, where the price is multiplied roughly three to five times with each run up to the peak. So a prime number sequence of 3 - 5- 3.

$11.40 at the bottom times three, and the price wound up at $37.80,

next corrected to $17.12,

$17.12 at the bottom of the correction gives a lengthy runup a very brief price pop to $80, which is near the five times multiple,

next corrected to ~$50/bbl. during a brief capitulation, and ran very hard to a parabolic high of ~$147/bbl. which is very near the 3 times multiple of the low of ~$50.

So you have a 3 - 5 - 3 prime number sequence multiples in the wave form.

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Re: Elliot Wave Assessment On Gold

Shannon
I have seen many EW traders referred to this book as their Elliot Wave Bible.
http://tinyurl.com/boqwqr

Re: AIG

TOF

Very nice bullish call the other day, and I second 2nd_ave in congratulations.

AIG certainly could go higher judging by the brief 2 day consolidation so far.

But why mess with AIG when there are so many other legitimate companies to trade ? I understand the 'gamble' part, but in this type of market where it seems no trend is definable for longer than 3-4 days, why press your luck and put good hard earned money at risk ?

Just my opinion.

Re: AIG

AIG is apparently being controlled by the high-frequency traders. Among other things, it means you cannot believe that the charts are reflecting the behavior (intentions and emotions) of 'real buyers/sellers.'

If you haven't been paying attention to what Goldman, Morgan and a few others are doing vis-a-vis high-frequency trading and most especially why they are doing it, you should.

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/07/guest-post-h...

UNG ?

All markets are up, nat gas is up==> UNG -2% what the heck?

this etf is not doing what is supposed to or I got it all wrong...

Re: AIG

I would think they're doing it to make money. A program is an intellect that trades a given strategy, sans emotion. Now, if they're doing something illegal, that's a problem.

...wish I could trade without emotion.

Re: AIG

nemo - I second your emotion, front-running is another story.

Re: AIG

Nemo - Wow, I really appreciate the snarky sarcasm but you obviously have no idea what they are doing and why you might want to care about it.

Goldman and a very few other companies are so-called liquidity providers (see Supplemental Liquidity Provider). For providing this wonderful service they are being paid ~.05 cents per transaction by the NYSE. This payment to them comes from you and all the other traders.

However, they are not really providing liquidity because they are merely buying and selling from each other at the same price. But they pocket the transaction fee.

The other nifty thing about being a liquidity provider is that you get to front-run the market. So, in many cases, Goldman, et.al., becomes the counterparty who knows exactly what the order flow of the entire exchange is. This information is made available to their order desks.

Is it illegal - no... should it be?

Patrick & Geoff

Just wanted to say you guys are doing a really nice job of filling in for Bill while he's enjoying some vacation time in Cuba. I'm really enjoying your style of writing and the information you're providing in the CTA Traders' Notes!

Re: Careful - Watch VIX if you are long

Is it like both the SPYders and the VIX will close positive?

bought some SRS and sold covered calls on it

When I woke up, I saw that my small buy limit order for SRS was executed at the average price of $19.60. Since I was planning SRS just as a trade, I went ahead and sold August $20 calls on these shares for $1.80, so as to immediately lower my cost basis for these shares to $17.80.

At this point, if S&P does not turn down soon and break below 880, the traders might indeed decide that it is destined to go to 1000. So I'll stop adding to my shorts and will see what happens next. My portfolio is still net long, so if S&P goes to 1000, I should still gain some.

Re: Lemme splain something.....

plain english: stocks ^

Rangold. beautiful beautiful chart

Stolen from another blog site.

http://i25.tinypic.com/i29ft2.png

Re: Careful - Watch VIX if you are long

Was it here that I saw a graph showing that if both VIX and SPY were up on the same day that percentages were high that the next day would be down? (Maybe from Bev?) If not, I'll have to try to find it as (if memory serves correctly) there was only one occurrence in the time frame shown where it didn't work.

Found it - page 6, chart 1.9
http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID3308244&cmd=show[s165583398]&disp=O

SPY at this time is up 2.44% while $VIX is up 1.2%. I don't follow VIX much. Why would $VIX be up 1.2% while the August VIX futures contract is down 4.13%?

Re: AIG

Todd - Thanks on the call...you get lucky once in a while.

re: AIG - I'm just pointing it out, not taking a position.

dow

out of the frying pan and into the fire ?

another hs top possible?
now that no one expects one....

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SDS

2nd
My 200 SDS is under water may add some more today
beside that still watching FXP/EEV/SRS.

Down close to 0.7%>>> Taking off the QID/SDS/TYP/FAZ/SRS

Craig- That's pretty much my mental stop. Unwilling to take further losses.

Re: Careful - Watch VIX if you are long

VIX and VXO seem pretty low here for this environment. Anyone trade options on these? I'm thinking of buying some October calls...

Re: AIG

Well, exactly how do they front run other than any orders they process? They would have to have access to all the exchange data from all the market makers to do that, I think.

I think you're describing the rebate strategy..perhaps there are others out there.

Why 0.7%?

In case anyone's wondering. It's one thing to sit at the dinner table and tell the family 'we took a hit today, but it's less than 1%.' It's another to have to tell them it's more than 1%. (They've become accustomed to hearing 'less than a percent,' as I've been good about taking losses quickly lately.)

Re: SDS/ Gann

vinod- Well I'm glad you took those OEX puts off the table early in the week.

Re: AIG

nemo there was a very detailed article, forget where I read it, that described a particular practice. It used the method of "order discovery" by submitting orders and then canceling them immediately before they could be filled, but using the response back to the original order to see if there were any bids there, and then incrementally moving up or down to see exactly where the boundaries of the orders were, and then hitting them precisely at their maximum.

It basically made sure that the big institutions got the worst possible fill.

True or not, I have no idea. It makes a certain kind of sense to me. The exchange computers might be slow and this is a way to take advantage of them.

Re: AIG

There are two different issues and two distinctly different kind of program trades going on...

1. The liquidity program trades have degenerated into the ultra-fast machines from one company trading furiously against another company for very close to a zero difference in price but, as noted, they pocket the transaction fee. Speed is so important that the corporate servers physically reside next to the NYSE servers so Goldman, et. al., actually have their computers inside the exchange itself and their computers share the same order flow as does the NYSE machines. This could not work otherwise.

There are millions of these kinds trades happening each day and it is a very lucrative, essentially no-risk play for a very few elites.

2. Not all trades are of the fake-liquidity kind and those are handled quite differently algorithmically. They are not necessarily aware of the NYSE order flow, but they are absolutely aware of the order flow of say, Goldman's customers. When you sign a Goldman contract, it explicitly says that you give them the right to mine whatever information (trades, etc) they want and will, at their discretion, make counter trades that are not necessarily beneficial to you.

3. You may recall several days ago about the arrest of a former employee of Goldman who allegedly stole code that dealt with high-frequency trading. In a press release, the U.S. attorney's office said that this code was very dangerous because it could be used to 'manipulate' the market. This same line was also used by a Goldman V.P who handles press releases. So Goldman themselves said and also informed the government that they have code that manipulates markets - but only in the wrong hands, of course.

From that arrest has come hundreds of articles detailing the real nature of what Supplemental Liquidity Providers actually do...it's pretty easy to follow up on if you are interested.

Re: Why 0.7%?

Because more requires more than a band-aid....IE: repair of pants and a pad....

You know what happens next, right? We get the big reversal....

1 point for Fred....

Re: Careful - Watch VIX if you are long

knifec, VIX options are dangerous, you think you have something but you actually don't. I once had a call about $10 in the money, but could not sell it for $2, all calls behaved like that. That's something I stay away from. JMO.

SLW gaps - questions

Good to be back..and slowly getting my bearings again. One of my favs (thanks Bill) is SLW. Wish I were back in there big time Monday but such is life....

Observation:
There is a gap down on the 2nd, the bottom of which seems to be the upper end of the move today.
There is another gap down on the 6th, the bottom of which is about the low for today.
There was a gap up on the 14th and of course the large gap up today.

Does anyone have some technical insight as to what the likely outcome of all these gaps might be? I am aware of one school that believes that "gaps get filled". Often they do. But with so many in a comparatively short span of time what happens now from a gap technical perspective?

Fundamentally, I am looking to build my position in slw but would love to do it at the most favorable price. So, a little today and we'll see what tomorrow brings.

TOF- you got some big ones to take the position you did! Congratulations!!
Bull- Thanks again for your consistent, accurate work.

What a great site..filled with great people!

s

Re: Going with the shooter>>QLD/FAS/URE?

Craig- What if we had gambled on teamonfuego to keep the streak going? That's what I usually do at the gaming table. My mistake is thinking the stock market is NOT a casino. Let's face it- same game, same players, same psychology, no?

I'm even thinking about doing it now >>QLD/FAS/URE. That's where major gains can be made.

Re: Careful - Watch VIX if you are long

SiO2- thanks for the reply. I'll take your advice. I usually stick with writng puts and selling covered calls anyway. Always seem to lose money on the buy side... Have a great day and thanks again for sharing your experience.

KC

Re: AIG

I've been reading much. Servers are in the same building, or located nearby. That's not illegal. This is no different except from a technological point of view of what the Japanese trader Homma did with his signal flagmen between his office and the exchange.

Now, when I started trading, fees were, well, exhorbitant compared to the average $.025/share I pay now.

Now, pinging orders, is no different than some of the trade executions written about in Levevre's book on Lawrence Livermore.

I am all for feretting out nefarious and illegal behavior, and market manipulation has been a fact of life since Kennedy's day (Joe that is), and probably well before.

I agree with your comment about the order flow through a given broker and the ability to trade against that, but until they restructure the financial industry to eliminate that architecture, which Bill has railed against, you have to trade it. Law of the jungle.

5 minutes away from 930, if that

...

I turned around to ask Gann a question

..but he's got his arm around teamonfuego with chips all over the table...can't even figure out what he has on.

UYG @ 4.08, URE @ 3.56, QLD @ 38.83

Testing the theory (that the market is the ultimate casino).

Re: Going with the shooter>>QLD/FAS/URE?

Yes, but I (we) should have done that earlier....I usually reverse too late and take the other side of the blade as it reverses on me.

I will if we break 930 and it holds, maybe, but it seems like resistance here.

Hard to chase a 24 S&P /226 DJIA move without a little pullback.

Keeping a close eye on UUP/VIX/S&P to see.
I see room already on a few of my watchlist.

If I had listened to TOF I'd be up an s-load today. I can't begin to tell you....had COST/TCK/SNDK/TBT/UNG....a few more...ARRRRGGGGGG!
Took tiny profits on each. Coulda, shoulda, woulda...

Bet is (a) close @ the high + (b) not even close to the high yet

...

Re: Going with the shooter>>QLD/FAS/URE?

Craig- That's what I love about this game. It's real time. No second takes. No 'wait a second, let me put my shoes on.'

COST/TCK/SNDK/TBT/UNG? Hey, If I had bought 100 contracts of the July 17 calls (at 0.30, -NQGS would have set me back only 3 grand), instead of 10 contracts....

Re: dow

We've got a date with Capt. JP Morgan in the mornin, and Miss IBM tomorrow after close. APH, HOG, CY and MMR are riding a rocket going into tomorrow's earnings, SON gaped up this morning. GE, C and BBT report Friday BMO, BAC also reports, but time not supplied.

So does the rally reverse today, tomorrow, or Friday?

SPY 93.28...Over 94 at the close?

...

$GOLD, GDX, and Silver are hanging in there

with the tech and financial sectors. not too shabby.

www.tinyurl.com/nyugrad

Gold may be my pound cake after all (inside joke for ctab bahamas I attendees)

Re: dow

pook it's an understatement to say that we're a tad overbought...

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPY&p=60&yr=0&mn=...

some negative divergence occurring with MACDh.

still, SPXU the 3x S&P bear just keeps on dropping. If this holds to closing I will short overnight.

sold some NOT.V

Nice move in NOT.V today: +55%. Back in October 2008, I purchased 2000 shares at US$0.712 (I was buying on margin at that time and decided to open only very small new positions as my buying power was almost completely exhausted). However, right now even that small purchase is giving me a decent absolute gain (close to what I am looking for in an average trade based on much large position sizes), and so I just sold these 2000 shares (1/3 of my current position) at US$0.874.

In early January, NOT.V had a similar one day run-up, and I didn't take profits back then since $CAD:$USD exchange rate was horrible (0.82 or something) and decided to wait for a "follow through" on the next day. Well, the "follow through" did not happen, and I missed that whole opportunity. Don't want to miss it again, especially since the $CAD:$USD exchange rate is more decent now (around 0.89). If NOT.V continues to power higher, then the rest of my position will do well, so I am all for it. :)

Re: AIG

Nemo - can you put your servers inside the NYSE? Can you put your flagmen inside the exchange? Do you have access to order flow? What would happen to you if you tried any of the above? Do you think it would be illegal?

Why is it legal for Goldman/Morgan, whomever, but illegal for you? After all, there isn't supposed to any difference in what we are all doing - buying and selling financial instruments in an open market.

Ain't really about what's legal or illegal, is it? I'm not naive and I recognize it has never been a level playing field. My concern is that the cheating has never been so blatant and the cheaters have never had so much control or been less afraid of consequences. Or at least since the early 1900's.

How about this: we are almost certainly going to get a transaction tax and also new Medicare taxes on capital gains. From what I know so far, guess who is quite likely to be exempt from these taxes? Hint: not you, starts with a 'G' because they are providing such a vital service, you know.

So add these taxes and remember that what Goldman is doing now in the name of liquidity is also, in and of itself, a tax on your profits. Are you getting pissed off yet or is it still just the law of the jungle?

ITS THE NON-GAAP STUPID !!

ALOHA!!

Well, the day prior to INTEL's magnificent earnings DELL was looking for financing. You can then imagine why the CEO of INTEL message about the improving PC market made me question their earnings. How many unemployed people are out buying new PCs, Notebooks, IPods and the like?

Well here is it is right off INTEL's own website ...

Intel Reports Second-Quarter Results

* Second-Quarter Revenue $8.0 Billion, Up 12 Percent Sequentially
* Gross Margin 51 Percent, Up 5.5 Points Sequentially
* Charge of $1.45 Billion Associated with the European Commission (EC) Fine
* Non-GAAP Operating Income $1.4 Billion, GAAP Operating Loss $12 Million
* Non-GAAP Net Income $1.0 Billion, GAAP Net Loss $398 Million
* Non-GAAP Earnings Per Share 18 Cents, GAAP Loss Per Share 7 Cents

(note: Non-GAAP Figures Exclude Only the EC Fine)

SANTA CLARA, Calif., July 14, 2009 – Intel Corporation today reported second-quarter revenue of $8.0 billion. Excluding the effects of the European Commission fine, the company had non-GAAP operating income of $1.4 billion, net income of $1.0 billion and EPS of 18 cents. On a GAAP-basis, the company reported an operating loss of $12 million, a net loss of $398 million and a loss per share of 7 cents. MORE

ITS THE NON-GAAP STUPID !!!

So can the Wall Street analysts please predict in NON-GAAP numbers ONLY!!!

So in GAAP numbers, meaning "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles", INTEL was a total loser!

They even excluded the EC FINE of $1.45BIL USD our of the NON-GAAP numbers.

I mean what next are companies going to "exclude"? ALL LOSSES?

So lets go with the GAAP numbers and INTEL had a net loss of nearly $400MIL USD translating to a 7 cent per share loss ... NO GAINS!

Isn't GAAP and NON-GAAP like having TWO sets of books? Hey, CPAs out there ... am I right?

May as well be an office memo ... that has more integrity than this NON-GAAP reporting that is designed to drive the US markets higher.

Am I losing my marbles here or is the entire financial system just a total joke?

Does anyone care about the total loss of integrity in US companies and US markets? This INTEL earnings speaks to that issue in spades ... Jeez, the World is a "madhouse"!!! HA!!!

IT ALL WORKS UNTIL IT DOESN'T ...

SPY on Bill's RSI app: d/w/m 56/53/42

That was yesterday's close.

The stock chart of SPY I just made shows RSI 7 at 75 at close yesterday. That's a significant difference.

??

Re: ITS THE NON-GAAP STUPID !!

On the ball there Kaimu. Hmm, would like to short a massively overbought intl but as 2nd said, this is a casino. What's my odds of winning in this lunacy?

from David Rosenberg this morning

Thank you, Dave M, for pointing out how to access daily writings from David Rosenberg. This is the kind of a reading I like, as it teaches me about how to form a big pictures.

Here are some interesting excerpts from David Rosenberg this morning, where he comments on yesterday's retail sales report:

"What was key in the June retail sales data for the U.S. was the 0.1% MoM dip in what is called the “core” figure, which excludes gas, autos and building materials. With the downward revisions, this was the fourth decline in a row, and while spending is nowhere near as weak as it was at the start of the year when Armageddon fears were setting in, it is troubling that the consumer is still fractionally in reverse in the face of the massive tax stimulus that the Obama team offered the household sector over the last quarter. And, while there may well be some lagged impacts, by and large, the fiscal stimulus, at least directly on the income side, has basically run its course. There is more than just a remote prospect of a consumer relapse as summer moves to autumn because organic wage-based income has declined in three of the last four months and without more financial help from Uncle Sam, we would look for more negative retail sales data in coming months.

For all the calls of the recession being over, we have the “core” (retail control) retail sales number running at -2.7% at an annual rate in 2Q and we have a fractional negative 0.4% print (annualized) being “built in” so far for the third quarter. Let’s just go on the record as saying that at no point in the past four decades has a recession been stopped in its tracks with core retail sales in contraction mode.

What is fascinating is to hear forecasts of the recession ending when so far, three of the four major ingredients — real sales, industrial production and employment — have yet to hit bottom (and real organic income, the fourth variable, is struggling to carve one out)."

Re: from David Rosenberg this morning

David said, "Thank you, Dave M, for pointing out how to access daily writings from David Rosenberg. This is the kind of a reading I like, as it teaches me about how to form a big pictures."

Could you please repost how to access Rosenberg. TIA

Re: AIG

How is liquidity rebate a tax on our profit? What's the mechanics of that?

Quite a move

6% in 3 days this week.

Re: Hemp

This is an idea whose time has come again. Right on Kaimu. Did you ever see the photo of Henry Ford (about 1938)taking a sledge hammer to the body of a car he built with Hemp? Hemp oil, is runs your car, good for humans. The uses are endless. It is legal to plant it in Canada, but I think permits are required. But we should develop this thought.

Has anybody else here read the remarks from Paulson today?

Interesting stuff to say the least, apparently Lewis was asking for support and not receiving it, and HMP was speaking on his own accord, based on the sentiment he felt was emanating from "internal emails" at the Fed. He also disavows wrongdoing and that these were not the most salient points of his experience, rather the following:

"What I recall most vividly is a nation faced with the threat of an unparalleled economic crisis and the efforts of the men and women from both the public and private sectors who worked hard to steer our country away from that precipice. It was my privilege to work with them, and I am proud of what we accomplished."

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/W...

FYI

It takes two steps for a retest of the previous highs/lows:

1. Take out previuos high (ideally with lighter volume)
2. Close below the previous high.

SPX already met step 1, and all we need is for today's close to be below 931.92 in order to confirm a failure of the retest.

Fujisan

Re: from David Rosenberg this morning

Go to https://ems.gluskinsheff.net/login.aspx and sign-up for free. Once you do that, the daily writings will be e-mailed to you. You can also then go directly to

https://ems.gluskinsheff.net/Articles.aspx

to see the archive of the previous articles.

Re: AIG

Vadym - I referenced article earlier and it's a great case as to how this supposed enhanced liquidity looks. The Supplemental Liquidity Providers are paid a transaction fee by the NYSE. This fee is subsequently passed on to everyone who (indirectly or not) trades on the NYSE. It is an additional cost of trading and, to me, a tax.

Also note that ultra-high speed trading generally causes volatility to rise in whatever they are targeting and therefore making things like options more expensive to buy. It's not too far a leap to imagine if I'm the one responsible for an increase in volatility via high-speed trading to also want to sell those options and also to magically know when volatility will very rapidly contract.

It's a sweetheart deal any way you look at it.

So, is the market really more liquid with the millions and millions of transactions per day we are paying for? Have spreads contracted? Are formally illiquid stocks liquid now? Even better question - was the broad market so illiquid to begin with? Why do we need Supplemental Liquidity Providers?

I referenced this article earlier but I'll print it out this time: what's going on with AIG is a perfect example of what is really happening. It looks suspiciously like enhancing liquidity has little to do with anything and a whole to do with price manipulation.

"Submitted By Joe Saluzzi of Themis Trading

There has been a lot of talk over the past few weeks about high frequency trading. We have argued that the volume these high frequency traders are creating is not beneficial to the market. Lets take a closer look at what a high frequency favorite stock looks like. The poster boy for HFT this week is none other than 80% U.S. government owned, AIG. AIG recently underwent a 1 for 20 reverse split since the “issuer” wanted to make their stock look more attractive to institutional clients. You would have expected volume in this stock to be reduced by 20x. Instead, volume has remained at a consistent pre split level of 75 million shares/day. How could this be? Did something change to attract more institutional buyers? Did the black hole of AIG liabilities somehow close? No, the answer here is that the High Frequency traders found a new stock to play in.

How do we know that AIG is a HFT darling? We look for three prime characteristics: high volume, a quick early morning ramp in the stock and then a constant bid throughout the rest of the day that will hold the stock at the top of the ramp. To graphically view this, look at the July 13th intraday chart of AIG.

Volume exploded in the morning and the stock ramped to $14. This level was now the “point”. The HFT’s defended this level all day (and collected liquidity rebates for this privilege). Throughout the day there were mini spikes higher that allowed the HFT’s to sell at a higher price all the stock they had been accumulating at the $14 level (again, they collected a liquidity rebate from their exchange/ecn “partners” for this privilege). What caused these mini-spikes throughout the day? It seems now that the HFT’s have attracted a new partner – the day trader. They now have caught onto the game and realize they can “leech” off the back of the HFT and make a small profit during the mini spikes (http://www.smbtraining.com/blog/?p=1401)

Going forward, we will begin noting these HFT situations and start posting them to our blog regularly."

Re: UYG 4.08, URE 3.56, QLD 38.83>>> Off 4.12, 3.58, 39.08

...

sold some covered calls on KGC

After selling my KGC at $19.64 a couple of weeks ago, I re-loaded 2/5 of that position at $17.92 last week. Now, with KGC at $19.63 again, I just sold August $20 covered calls against these shares at $1.05, which would give me a sales price of $21.05 -- above the 1-year high observed so far. On the other hand, this position is reasonably small and I don't feel the pressure to sell it now. In fact, I actually *want* KGC to go down to $17 so that I could sell more $17.50 puts on it and acquire more KGC shares.

Re: FYI

passed the retest test

TBT...53.17

There you go Dave...very strong into the close. Up 1.5% in last 15 minutes.

"Stealth Correction.." stockcharts blog

http://tinyurl.com/nqtusy

pretty interesting

Re: AIG

I commented a day or two ago on this or similar article, it suddenly became some kind of new cult in the conspiracy land... I absolutely disagree with notion of HFT and/or liquidity providing being some kind of devilish scheme, and in that response of mine I explained why (http://caracommunity.com/content/caras-commentary-...), but that's not the point.

I would like to delve into this particular aspect. I read about this alleged tax on our trading about 25 times over last few days yet not once did I see any explanation to it. I am not convinced by general statement like "The Supplemental Liquidity Providers are paid a transaction fee by the NYSE. This fee is subsequently passed on to everyone who (indirectly or not) trades on the NYSE. It is an additional cost of trading and, to me, a tax." I look at the things overall and see this:

- I used to pay $25 per trade per side; now it's more like $5;
- I used to pay $30/month for Level II access, now it's what, $10 or even free with many brokers?
- there was no way to get free real time charts or ECN books; now it's common place
- my ECN fees never went up and in some cases went down
- my exchange fees never went up
- I receive ECN rebate if I add liquidity, and this rebate never went down
- the only thing that went up is SEC fee - and whatever we think of SEC and their fees, it has nothing to do with payments to liquidity providers

So, where do those liquidity rebates come from? ECNs and exchanges pay them out of their profits in order to attract business? Let them, what do I care as a trader? If anything, I have more counterparts to my orders and have to whom to sell or from whom to buy - which is exactly the purpose of attracting liquidity.

I guess I just want to see evidence, not general statements...

"Regulators Near Deal on Package to Save CIT" WSJ

Open wide citizens!
http://tinyurl.com/lbcomf

"Regulators Near Deal on Package to Save CIT"
CIT Group Inc. and federal regulators were working to iron out details of an aid package Tuesday night after customers drained hundreds of millions of dollars from the lender, according to people familiar with the matter.

An outline of the plan began to emerge Tuesday as CIT's liquidity crisis worsened. Corporate customers drew down on their credit lines Monday and Tuesday.

People familiar with the matter put the drawdowns at several hundred million dollars; one said a number discussed by the board ran as high as $775 million. That placed an added strain on the cash-strapped company and increased the urgency for a resolution.

Re: TBT...53.17

MarkW - Hey I didn't see that! How nice is that?

I unloaded my July TBT 54 puts I wrote long ago earlier today - at breakeven. Even though they were two bucks underwater, I didn't lose money, which was a minor miracle given I wrote them at, what, 55 or so? Even if you're way early, put writing really is lower risk as compared to going long. Just more proof today for me. I wrote them at 55, closed them out at 52, and ended up breaking even because of premium.

The reason I bailed out of the puts is all about position size: I had too much TBT. I feel comfortable with my current position. And its even above water too!

Re: FYI

G- What's your take on that? Does 930 now become support?

fought the good fight....might make a bull out of me yet

After a nice gain on SDS last week (sold at 60.84) I have tried two times to get short this week and I stopped out quickly for second time today with short positions SDS & SKF...."stop the bleeding b4 it needs more than a band aid" is a good motto from someone here. I ended up selling KGC and TBT today into the strength(early of course). I picked up some TIP again today at 99.95(which I have been trading for 50 to 100$ little gainers), if I dont get the spike up to sell, I will just collect the 4.75% yield which is much better than the rate Im getting in my MM account.

I will be looking for re-entry to TBT and miners as always. If I could just ride the trend for longer than the 3 to 5% gainers with my mining trades I would be a rich man as all but one have been successful this year if my recollection is correct.

S&P closed above support and this could be bullish for the longer trend. I might just sit tight for a day or two to see if the trend is confirmed.

Re: Gold Rolex

"Then in '80, summer camp on Cape Cod, sailing, listening to The Dead for the first time, getting a little peace..........Yeha there was a girls' camp next door."

Would that be Monomoy & Wono?? If so, been there, done that-- "several" years before you.

If this rally confirms in the next few sessions

I have to pay attention to the 'last dancer off the floor' trade.

the note on stockcharts about a stealth correction is now a bookmark for me to check multiple times a day. http://tinyurl.com/mkofny (checking to see if the trendline breaks to the upside or is strong resistance.)

Today's close on the S&P, while volume wasn't spectacular, was higher than the previous two days, macd histogram printed a positive bar, macd bullish crossover, closed above 50 day, and above 931.

if the rally confirms i will watch if it can or cannot reach 950. My only hope is that metals will rally harder than expected along with everything else.

This sure smells like a stealth correction, rounding up mom and pop before 1 last visit to the basement.

I can almost hear all the phones buzzing on the broker's desks.
"Let me help you get some of it back"
"Are you going to tell your wife you missed this up move or should I?"

Re: ITS THE NON-GAAP STUPID !!

ALOHA !!

So Les, if I add back in the $1.45BIL USD EC fine then the NON-GAAP net income becomes a loss of around $400MIL USD.

I guess when it comes to "reporting to the public" LOSSES don't count any more!

bought more SLV

After hours at $13.10, expanding my current position by 50%. The 6-month SLV chart suggests that now is a good time to buy: a large correction recently took place and it seems like it is over and SLV is starting to go up again. At the same time, SLV is still very low and so provides a good "hedge" on my short positions: if the market keeps going up, then SLV should move up strongly as well. If the market goes down, then SLV should not fall that much since it is still very low.

Re: If this rally confirms in the next few sessions

Todays action looked like the bulls ran the full court press set up for options expiration on Friday. I wouldn't be surprised to see the indexes show a little mean reversion over the next few days after what looked to me to be a lot of capitulation by the short side today.

Earlier in the week I was kicking myself for not having the guts to hold on to GDX $36 puts and SPG $50 puts (I sold them for a measely profit around S&P 890). A few days ago they would have been huge winners for me - today they became almost worthless! Luckily I have learned over time to not obsess over the images in my rearview mirror!

My market sense tells me that a lot of retail investors are out of the equity market and thus are becoming very skittish. On one hand many who cashed out near the 4Q '08/1Q '09 lows want to wait for the "inevitable pullback" to reload and on the other hand they are concerned that the pullback just happened (or ain't gonna happen).

Also, not sure if anyone else posted this but an astounding visual regarding Goldman's Value-At-Risk measurement. Notice specifically the chart on Goldman's increased VAR (risk taking)in the interest rate market. Got me thinking that since Goldman holds so much sway in terms of FED monetary policy that interest rate market is a perfect place for them to take "risk", since they can greatly affect market outcomes. Their VAR calculation can't take into account that they have hedged their interest rate bets through control of monetary policy.

Chart of the day: Goldman VaR

Intro
http://tinyurl.com/lfhxrp

Data Tables
http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/ce-insight/INSI...

Re: If this rally confirms in the next few sessions

With that said, I'm still cautious that the market rally could continue immediately (no July opex mean reversion), leaving some people itching on the sidelines for what would be a loooong Q3. I consider it less likely but potentially devestating to many, so important to consider in the realm of all possible outcomes.

Cara 100 Update (Final )

BH,

This morning you posted the following Cara 100 market update:

"INTC - estimates raised at Goldman to 93 cents from 67 cents for the current year and to $1.00 from 95 cents for 2010 based on higher sales and improving margins. Maintained neutral rating and price target of $15."

The position of GS on INTC would seem to be counter-market , so one must wonder what GS will do to make this $15 target price a reality.

Closing the loop...CIT rescue nixed for now

For some reason I don't feel bad for them.

"CIT Says U.S. Support Unlikely, Studies Options With Advisers"
http://tinyurl.com/m7q8jn

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

shark-

I just want to give credit when it's due. If I had listened when you asked me to take the next exit and turn the car around, it would have saved me a lot of money. Rather than continue down the turnpike like an arrogant wiseguy (make that stunad!), I could have stopped for lunch at the deli, had a beer, and got back on the northbound for a decent gain.

From a sentiment standpoint, could it be any more bearish?

I have a hard time believing we don't go down tomorrow. However, after watching a dozen reds cross the tape, who doesn't want to bet black? Been there many times. It could hit red another half dozen times. After that, it will hit '00' twice just to make sure you get the message, which is to remember who's in charge, and who's getting played.

calpers vs. the ratings agencies

duplicate

calpers vs. the ratings agencies

Barry Ritholtz on a rumor that CALPERS is preparing to sue the ratings agencies:

I poked around with some law firms in California, and started to pick up the rumor that California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CALPERS) was going to drop the bomb on S&P, Moody’s and Fitch. No one would say anything on the record, but it was clear that litigation was being considered as an option against the Ratings Agencies.

...

The goal of the litigation (as I see it) isn’t to make the rating agencies pay a financial penalty; rather, it is to publicly try them just as the regulatory rules are being rewritten. I also predict that CALPERS is going to attempt to not just win, but humiliate these agencies, call them out in the most embarrassing way possible, trash the senior executives, and make things very uncomfortable in general for these firms.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/calpers-ratin...

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

Count me in on this arrogance as well. I did play FAS to regain some ground afterward, but I was a total idiot sticking to my ultras. Part of my stubbornness was due to smallish positions and not so large percentage losses thinking we would see a reversal after what looked like an unsustainable run-up, but darned if it didn't keep going.

Wisdom: 'Markets can remain irrational longer than I can remain solvent'

To be honest I also got back into QID at the low and I'm up as of the close and after hours. I notice we started giving some back before the close (I saw it in time to sell my new FAS position) and I'm sticking to a tight stop and may take any profits pre-market depending on the futures in the AM.
We *usually* see a bit of moderation after a 200+ day of upward exuberance.

But then again, a fool and his money.....

For me it wasn't so much the lost $$ from the ultras but the lost profits from the decent longs I had before going brain dead. It probably won't be the last time but I learned a lesson today so hopefully it will stick.

What went wrong/ What went right

Wrong-

(a) Allowed directional bias to dictate trading.
(b) Averaged down.

Right-

(a) Kept position sizes small.
(b) Did not hesitate when it came time to exercise the mental stop(s). As soon as the real time balances in my accounts entered the alert zone (I can pretty much 'tell' what they are at almost any time during the day, as I seem to be one of those people who can't help mentally track my balances every few minutes), everything was sold at the market.
(c) Turned my trades around and went the other way. True, I should have done it earlier, but even late in the game it was good for a few gains. If the market had stayed open another hour or two (one big difference btw the market and most casinos), I have no doubt we would have hit 940 (from a psychological perspective).

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

"Part of my stubbornness was due to smallish positions and not so large percentage losses thinking we would see a reversal after what looked like an unsustainable run-up."

Craig- Exactly. Around the time I made the 'beach' post, everything looked fine. I allowed myself to become complacent on the basis of green numbers in SRS and flat numbers in QID/TYP. I should have keyed on the 'red and getting worse by the minute' numbers in FAZ instead. At the very least, I should have dumped FAZ immediately.

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

Craig- One last comment (preaching to the choir, of course): The last thing on our minds should be trying to make it back tomorrow. The best advice may in fact be to take a day off. The truth is, there is nothing to make back. My ending balance today is all that counts right now. (The 0.7% is technically not a big deal- but for some reason I feel as drained as if I'd taken a much larger hit.) The goal is to trade appropriately going forward, and for me that probably means taking a pass on Thursday.

Re: calpers vs. the ratings agencies

I read that article earlier. My first thought was - good, the dirty b.... deserve to be taken down. Their ratings are not worth the paper they are written on, and, everone knows it.

My second thought was - wait a minute, if they get taken down, what mechanism is out there that can provide the info necessary for the little guy to make informed decisions. The big guys can just do their own DD. Buy how about the rest of us.

This will probably have a negative effect on the markets in the short and intermediate term

Current Road Map

To start off, today was a "Bradley Turn Date" and it looks like it continued that U turn upwards that began Monday . Now with both the $VIX & S&P closing up big today, odds are, we will gap down at the open tomorrow. There is a gap at 906-910 that may or may not get filled tomorrow, but I suspect at some point we will rally into Friday to finish the week up. As for the road map as where we go from here, it looks to me, we are at a fork in the road with no road sign. Depending on which Elliott Wave guru you read, we are either still in "B" of the A-B-C correction off the March 6th lows, which mean the highs of June 11th ["A"] are in and we will correct downward still before starting the final surge upwards ["C"]. Or we did finish the corrective downward leg "B" last week and we have started the final surge upwards ["C"] before the next corrective wave downwards "3" begins. Targets for "C" seem to range from a min of S&P1000 / Dow 9500 to a max of S&P1100 / Dow 10+K.

[Here is an outdated chart from Sunday to those who would like to see a general outline of the A-B-C corrective wave.]

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Re: AIG

OK, Vadym, purely by coincidence, I'll put up this video that came out today. I don't believe the fact that trading is in general cheaper than it was in the past is germane to this issue.

http://watch.bnn.ca/clip193943#clip193943

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

So let's see...2nd makes the smart move and lightens up on my UNG PM @ 12.80. Then Shark takes over 2nd's account and flips the ultras at half time. No wonder I always have someone prof read my important work documents. And that's exactly why I post my trades. Got some great prof readers here.

Re: What went wrong/ What went right

Maybe. SKF was up a buck off the low and and most of the other ultras were up from their lows at the close. We were giving some back at 3:45 pm eastern and afterward. Then I babysat my QID until 3:30 pm pst just to make sure....

The reality is: The market does close, so that is part of the psychological aspect. Nothing grows in a straight line to the sky, not even when I'm wrong.
The close changes ST traders thinking, some taking profits and others using it to take positions or counter-trend positions depending on the day's conditions.
So we'll never know if it would have gone to 940, but if it was, wouldn't it keep going after hours?

I luckily didn't average down but got into the ultras when they were already down pretty good and when I saw how fast they were cratering I didn't add like I thought I would, but I didn't take the hint and exit either. It was the loss of my longs that really cost me. I think I lost a few hundred on the shorts but potentially lost a few thousand selling the longs early.

I totally sucked today.

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

2nd
When I don’t understand what the hell is going on in the market. I stay away. I even don’t watch until it closed.
Still holding my 200 SRS and didn’t add any more. Look like it will go up more until everyone is frustrated about it and clean up all short ETF holders and take most of short to cleaner.
But will start to load up short ETF soon. I usually start with 100 and see what happens.

Re: What went wrong/ What went right

Craig- You got screwdoodled out of your longs.

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

Oh, I couldn't agree more....preach away! I'll settle my QID position for whatever and I'm a handsitter for the duration unless something becomes obvious...but THAT never happens (what is obvious everyone will know, so it isn't an edge at all) so I'll find something else to do this week and wait for the next move.

Mike Kahn

RSI ETF signals

DAG triple RSI buy

EEV accumulation zone

FD: no positions...yet

Re: What went wrong/ What went right

Yep, in the famous words of our buddy JAWS, I got screwdoodled alright.

I had some pretty decent low basis buys too. Just put a fork in me...I'm done.

Sold PDS for 4.53 and thought I was cutting a fat pig. SLW from the low 7's.
TCK with a low 14 handle, COST at 44 and pennies. Look at em' now.....no nevermind, don't. I'm not beating myself up anymore, I'm burning this into my memory......and waiting. I did one thing right. I added to UNG at 12.48 pm (on the way up) and sold it at $13.03 pm. That was a good start and then I had a massive brain fart trying to out think the market. Don't do that!

Re: What went wrong/ What went right

"Good traders don't try to predict what The market will do; instead they look at The indications of what the market is Doing." - Curtis M. Faith

Re: What went wrong/ What went right

Thanks, Craig- Until now I didn't know UNG even got to 13.03 PM. I'm embarrassed to say I didn't get up until the open. Has to be the first time in about a year. lesson learned.

So What Happened?

So What Happened?
I first want to apologize to my readers for my dour nature today. I'm kind of a depressive chap to begin with, and three days of the bulls pushing their horns into my eyeballs doesn't help my already flimsy spirit. So that's probably seeped through quite a bit, particularly today. Take note of the new logo.

But I hope you can understand. This week has been the worst three days of my trading life so far. I've slipped down 8% of my overall portfolio, and it's more demoralizing than I can say to have multiple weeks' worth of extremely hard work destroyed in short a short amount of time. Climbing my way up Profit Mountain doesn't mean anything if I'm kicked down into the valley so quickly.

The only trade I'm really upset at myself about, of course, is TBT. That was a really good long play, and I blew it. I really hope others made good money on that idea, because it was solid. But otherwise, the simple fact of the matter is that I was on the wrong side of the market in a very big way. I loaded up on shorts and puts all over the place, and the 500 point rise in the Dow so far this week has been agonizing.

I don't think I'll feel like uttering the words "head" and "shoulders" any time in the near future. That was a massive fakeout, and it really hurt a lot of bears.

Tim Knight

Re: So What Happened?

Not sure who Tim Knight is, but assuming he is posting on the web, you've got to admire his honesty. 8%...yikes.

Re: What went wrong/ What went right

Or, in other words: Trade what you see, not what you think

Re: AIG

I don't have servers, I also can't control to whom the NYSE rents space. All the players in this space are trying to position their equipment as close to the exchanges as possible; GETCO,(as are all the other players in this game) is setting up right next door to, I think it's the NYSE's new processing center that will open up in 2011 (?). I suppose if I could get an office there, it might help a bit. I know when I'm up in Maine, my bandwith is significantly less than here in Massachusetts.

Hell, lampreys attach themselves to sharks to be near the food.

I get ecn rebates if I add liquidity. I've made trades (not often mind you) where they actually paid me for the trade. So, is it a tax on me, or does it come out of the exchanges profits, and is just money they would keep for themselves if they hadn't paid it out?

Actually, the cheating was quite blatant, that's why Joe Kennedy supposedly helped "fix" (pun intended) the markets, so nobody could rob us blind like he and his buddies.

Yeah, I'm against the transaction tax...out of business overnight...wouldn't be the first time the government has screwed the little guy, and it won't be the last. New taxes, no doubt...and the powerful will have their way, as they always have.

Law of the jungle...absolutely, and I'm prey for those above me in the food chain.

Re: AIG

Well, I just watched the video. Not sure what it proves or explains - same guy repeats same things that he already said in that article. And of course refers to that same blog that made his article known to the world in a first place... shrug.

My questions remain:

- what is wrong with whole HFT/liquidity providing thing?
- how is it harming anyone now or potentially in the future?
- if ECN/exchange share profit with them, what do I care? It's not like they would give it to me if not to them.

I don't see how the fact that trading becomes cheaper in a fairly short span of time is not germane, as you put it, to the alleged "tax on our trades" issue... if they tax me and I pay less - tax me more please. I wish all taxes worked like that...

Finally, remember what you started with? Claim that AIG becomes unreadable in usual terms of chart patterns because of these HFTraders... well, I happen to trade it today: http://www.realitytrader.com/tradinglog/, staring with:

[13:21] {Threei} Long Setup: AIG .10 break
[13:21] {Threei} if stays above 14

Take a look at intraday chart - absolutely standard chart formation, one that I play for years - and worked like charm, exactly on a day when it was cited by them as prime example of how those HFT/rebate guys ruin trading patterns? Sorry... I am afraid I'll need more convincing that that :)

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to prove that everything is pinky, rather asking honest questions - as I said in my very first post on this which I linked earlier today, if there is something unseemly going on, we need to know. But so far everything presented is more like yelling "fire"...

Why do we jump from one conspiracy to another? A few weeks ago it was false liquidity provided by quant funds - remember? Today it's HFT. Tomorrow it will be next big discovery. It starts looking like conspiracy in itself - either distracting us from real issues or attempting to make a name by creating a battle and becoming a leader... and most likely both. What is really happening while we fight those windmills?

Re: So What Happened?

Tim knight has a charting blog and was the founder of prophet.net, an online charting site of early distinction.

http://slopeofhope.com/ and see his "about" bio.

Re: calpers vs. the ratings agencies

I'd rather have NO information than bad information that purports to be good information. In one case, you know that you don't know. In the other, you're just clueless.

I agree with your analysis though, it will lead to confusion in the short to medium term.

Re: calpers vs. the ratings agencies

Dave- You know I'm not much of a chart guy, but if TBT holds here it looks like a clear passing lane until 56.00.

Re: calpers vs. the ratings agencies

MarkW - Chartwise, TBT is right up to its 200 day MA, and 56 and 60 seem like good resistance points.

Normally TBT moves in tandem with the market. Market up, TBT up. If I'm right about the eventual default of the US, a day will come when TBT moves up while the S&P moves down. So the "US Default" paired trade here is, long TBT, short S&P.

Meredith's podcast?

davefairtex, do you have a link to MW's podcast that spurred your epiphany? I'd like to ponder that body language and all. Seems our handlers will try to find advantage where they can. Meanwhile the public servants boast about their plans a little too broadly to scrutinize the bad dudes while putting more foxes guarding henhouses...call for superchicken!!!!!

SPROTT SAYS

ALOHA !!

SPROTT ASSETS ...

I do not follow them at all, but once in awhile I run across info from their company.

Now, a friend of mine from Maine sent me this report from SPROTT ASSETS that even mentions US TREASURY DAILY STATEMENTS, something I have been covering for over a year now following the EMPIRE OF DEBT. This report may have been published here before, but it is the first time I have read it.

In every EMPIRE it has been the DEBT that kills the golden goose. DEBT is really the end result of "human hubris", living beyond our means ... When you have a monetary system based on the human condition what do you expect to happen? The American Empire is no different. The privilege of RESERVE CURRENCY and the two party politico has embedded cronyism and welfare into what was once one of the major manufacturing engines of the World. Now we operate as a CONSUMER FRAUD NATION ... Given the fact that DEBT levels in the USA have been constantly rising ever since 1835 and every President and Congress since then has done nothing to stand in the way of SPENDING, which begets DEBT, it is obvious to me that the DEBT is crushing the EMPIRE. As I mentioned prior ... GUARANTEES AND PROMISES are running thin. Without those "guarantees and promises" does anyone here really believe that Americans will gladly accept poverty without so much as a whimper? Raised on the GOOD LIFE does not breed much "self sufficiency", which is what America lacks. Look around you and tell me where you see RESILIENT COMMUNITIES? They exist but not enough ... I have pointed out that where I live most of my neighbors have no electricity or cable or county sewage or even county water. They live off the GRID ... If not for me they would not even have a telephone. Obviously in my community nobody really has very far to fall, since most of us are already living in poverty. Yep, Hawaii is America and my neighbors are Americans, but they live like Third Worlders, which in my eyes has always been a great experience for me. I have worked my entire life to keep my footprint as small as I can. If you visited me here you would see that my wife and I have a bedroom that is not even 100 sq ft in size, slightly larger than prison cells that I have built. Maybe even Bernie's cell is larger ... We decided to DOWNSIZE our comfort level voluntarily and have no regrets. Too bad AL GORE, OPRAH and BONO can't work on that! Hypocrites abound in America ...

TRACKING ... Oopps ...

LINK: http://www.sprott.com/Docs/MarketsataGlance/June_2...

The above link is a JUNE 2009 SPECIAL ISSUE ...

What SPROTT has done different than I is they have been tracking the net buyers and sellers of US DEBT. I honestly believe this is not INFLATION VS DEFLATION its the C WORD in play, as I have said all along. To debate money supply or falling asset prices and multipliers is like debating if you will die of cancer, swine flu or old age. Waiting for "signals" or "inflection points" is a fool's game in my opinion. It may work for trading SLW or GOOG but it does not work for a monetary crisis.

So I track US TAX REVENUES and US TREASURY DEBT ... As you know, I have shown that US TAX REVENUES have been thoroughly CRUSHED, while US DEBT has been shooting up like a rocket ship to the moon! OBAMA may get on TV and brag about the 150,000 jobs he created but the TAX REVENUES tell the truth. This Sprott report chimes in with the buyers of US DEBT, without which, America would be Third World like Argentina. We have all been seeing comments about US DEBT holders diversifying and as a participant on the ASX I have seen CHINA and INDIA buying up resource companies. Nobody can tell me that CHINA has NOT been diversifying in numerous ways. They would be idiots not to! So that leaves me with one unanswered question and that is "when" will those who have been consistent US DEBT buyers either quit or slow their US DEBT purchases? This SPROTT article attempts to answer that question.

Because American voters have been so narrow-minded for so long and locked into the two party mentality we have afforded each administration, whether REP or DEM, the "privilege" of destroying our kids future on our behalf. None of the President's or their administrations have ever made any half-ass attempt to quit SPENDING. As I have shown OBAMA & BIDEN make BUSH & CHENEY look like paupers when it comes to SPENDING our future.

In a monetary crisis it does not matter if GS is at 150 or 1500 per share. It won't matter if you trade in USD or CAD or CHF or AUD ...

I think this word HUBRIS needs to be examined further within the context of America and the POLITBANK ... Here is how the Greeks defined HUBRIS:

Hubris (/hjuːbrɪs/) (ancient Greek ὕβρις) is a term used in modern English to indicate overweening pride, superciliousness, or arrogance, often resulting in fatal retribution or nemesis. In ancient Greece, hubris referred to actions which, intentionally or not, shamed and humiliated the victim, and frequently the perpetrator as well. It was most evident in the public and private actions of the powerful and rich. The word was also used to describe actions of those who challenged the gods or their laws, especially in Greek tragedy, resulting in the protagonist's downfall.

Hubris, though not specifically defined, was a legal term and was considered a crime in classical Athens. It was also considered the greatest sin of the ancient Greek world. That was so because it was not only proof of excessive pride, but also resulted in violent acts by or to those involved. The category of acts constituting hubris for the ancient Greeks apparently broadened from the original specific reference to mutilation of a corpse, or a humiliation of a defeated foe, or irreverent "outrageous treatment" in general.

The meaning was eventually further generalized in its modern English usage to apply to any outrageous act or exhibition of pride or disregard for basic moral laws. Such an act may be referred to as an "act of hubris", or the person committing the act may be said to be hubristic. Ate|Atë, ancient Greek for "ruin, folly, delusion," is the action performed by the hero, usually because of his/her hubris, or great pride, that leads to his/her death or downfall.

Aristotle defined hubris as shaming the victim, not because anything happened to you or might happen to you, but merely for your own gratification. Hubris is not the requital of past injuries—that's revenge. As for the pleasure in hubris, its cause is this: men think that by ill-treating others they make their own superiority the greater.

Crucial to this definition are the ancient Greek concepts of honor (τιμή, timē) and shame (αἰδώς, aidōs). The concept of honor included not only the exaltation of the one receiving honor, but also the shaming of the one overcome by the act of hubris. This concept of honor is akin to a zero-sum game. Rush Rehm simplifies this definition to the contemporary concept of "insolence, contempt, and excessive violence".

So where are we in terms of the Greeks ... in terms of our Founding Fathers? Are we so much technologically advanced and civilized that we cannot fail? Talk about the concept of TOO BIG TO FAIL ...

The ever lengthening "long train of abuses" is growing ever longer ...

ALL OUR BEST THINKING GOT US HERE ...

Re: Meredith's podcast?

Sure, here it is:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1180792150&p...

Let me know if you see the same thing I did.

Re: Mike Kahn

Thank you for the link bsi. I never understood the significance of gapping and filling these gaps until now.

Re: So What Happened?

Mark- Re Tim Knight, this is from his site (thanks to Illini):

"Before starting Prophet, Tim was Vice President of Technology Products at Montgomery Securities in San Francisco, where he led the development of an institutional online-trading platform. Additionally, he has held various positions in marketing management at Technical Tools and Apple Computer, and is the author of 20 computer books. Tim is a graduate of the Santa Clara University's Honors Program and holds a bachelor's degree in business management. He lives in Palo Alto, California with his family."

So he has many ties to the Bay Area.

Re: Hubris

kaimu-

The ancient Greek concept of hubris> man, that's fascinating. Thanks for the post.

Re: Tim Knight

vinod-

Thanks. To hear a professional trader talk like that is a little disconcerting, but I appreciate his honesty. How's that going to color his readers' perceptions of his trading at this point? We all know how hard it is to come back from a 'demoralizing' hit.

On the other hand, I recall my frame of mind last winter. At some point, I just became pissed off and came back with a vengeance. I'm going to follow his site and try to learn from the way he handles it.

Re: AIG

Vad - your honest interpretation is refreshing and all the more reason for us to trade what we see and to not anticipate the anticipators.

Re: Hubris

ALOHA !!

Yes 2nd ... imagine in Greek times it was against the law to display HUBRIS, now in America you cannot get elected or be a celeb without it!

The word was also used to describe actions of those who challenged the gods or their laws, especially in Greek tragedy, resulting in the protagonist's downfall.

Here is the MODERN VERSION that has been ringing in my ears since Nixon was President ...

On taking the treasury post in 1971, John Connally famously told a delegation of Europeans worried about exchange rate fluctuations that the American dollar "IS OUR CURRENCY, BUT YOUR PROBLEM."

It has been the World's problem ever since ...

Then came the DEFAULT ... Hummmmmm??? My oh my ... how to extricate oneself out of a highly inflationary WAR that reflects itself in deflationary tendencies and get back on the SPEND PATH? Oh look ... there's that word "stimulus" again ... even back in the 1970s ...

Secretary Connally defended a $50 billon increase in the debt ceiling and a $35 to $40 billion budget deficit as an essential "fiscal stimulus" at a time when five million Americans were unemployed. He unveiled Nixon's program of raising the price of gold and formally devaluing the dollar—-finally leaving the old gold standard entirely, a process begun in 1934 by Franklin D. Roosevelt. Prices continued to increase during 1971, and Nixon allowed wage and price guidelines, which Congress had authorized on a stand-by basis, to be implemented. Connally later shied away from his role in recommending the failed wage and price controls. Connally announced guaranteed loans for the ailing Lockheed aircraft company. He fought a lonely battle too against growing balance-of-payment problems with the nation's trading partners. He also undertook important foreign diplomatic trips for Nixon through his role as Treasury Secretary.[14]

Connally was known as an immaculate dresser who wore expensive and stylish suits wherever he went. Biographer Charles Ashman related a story about Connally's carrying a cigarette lighter in his pocket and lighting cigarettes as a courtesy only for very wealthy men who might be inclined to contribute to his political causes or retain him as a consultant on business arrangements.

Historian Bruce Schulman wrote that Nixon was "awed" by the handsome, urbane Texan who was also a tough political fighter. Schulman added that Henry Kissinger, Nixon's National Security Advisor, noted that Connally was the only cabinet member that Nixon did not disparage behind his back, and that this was high praise indeed.

Okay ... I would say this man and NIXON had displayed plenty of HUBRIS. So what was the outcome for both CONNOLLY and NIXON? Well, we all know how it ended for NIXON, but here is how it ended for CONNOLLY ...

In 1986, Connally filed for bankruptcy as a result of a string of business losses in Houston. Connally died of pulmonary fibrosis, a progressive scarring of the lungs.

Not only that but Connolly was a "switch hitter" as he switched from DEM to REP in 1973.

So what began in 1971 as AMERICA'S HUBRIS of defaulting on the gold standard due to the Vietnam War and the many other spending based PROMISES of the time, that still exist today, is ending now in a monetary crisis.

I am always amazed that a highly evolved people and society like we have here in America can be conned into complacency so deep that a 95% loss of purchasing power of our money is virtually unnoticed and uncontested by the masses.

I know its not ATHENS but is it ROME or is it just plain old HUBRIS?

IT IS WHAT IT IS ...

Re: calpers vs. the ratings agencies

I sure hope this happens.

What is worse than a life jacket full of rocks?

They should also go for the Congressional Oversight Committees.

Re: Intervention for 2nd AVE

2nd—ave, Craig,

I suspect most of us have done similar dumb things for the same reasons — arrogance and complacency.

One year ago I was on a roll with SKF. I'd been in and out at least a half dozen times in my "full service" (read full commission) retirement account. After being stopped out each time I was "sure" I knew the pattern and decided to let it ride.

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times." Took on new meaning for me. July 11 I hit the high. My total net worth was up over 25% — more than any two years I ever made working full time.

The FDIC change in shorting a bunch of banks quickly took me in a free-fall to minus 15%!

I dumped everything and went to cash. By year end I broke even and was able to but down the paper bag to breathe normally.

You have plenty of company. The best learned lessons are painful reminders. Keep yours written on the inside of your eyelids :-)

Cara 100 Ratings Changes

Good morning.

Upgrades:

DIS - to Outperform @ Bernstein
INTC - to Buy @ Argus. PT = $21

New Coverage:

CSCO - Auriga U.S.A. Initiates with a Hold. PT = $21
QCOM - RBC Initiates with an Outperform. PT = $55

Community Chat

The new Community Chat is up!

Re: calpers vs. the ratings agencies

"...if they get taken down, what mechanism is out there that can provide the info necessary for the little guy to make informed decisions"

These were totally MIS-informed decisions — just like putting a cookie recipe on a bottle of poison. It's the "little guys" who are still suffering. †he big boys take care of each other and we need to do the same.

IMO, Shooting is too quick for these outfits. Get rid of them.

edit: I have never placed any credence in S&P, Morningstar, gurus. You are better off flipping a coin — at least the coin has no hidden agenda.

Re: What went wrong/ What went right

"Good traders don't try to predict what The market will do; instead they look at The indications of what the market is Doing." - Curtis M. Faith

Amen!

The same can be said regarding politicians' glowing promises.

Re: calpers vs. the ratings agencies

"Normally TBT moves in tandem with the market. Market up, TBT up."

A week or so back someone recommended a balancing act with TLT/TBT which I am currently doing and it's working so far. (Watching closely) My thanks to whomever...

I'm convinced Ts will continue to do well until the job market reverses and don't want to keep jumping in and out, just lightening and reloading my WHOSX while picking up profits in my trading account with the ETFs.

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