[7:50am ET] The politics of money has now become a scorecard, says the President’s chief of staff. Is it really “Us versus Them” as in the quote by Rahm Emanuel or all they all prostitutes in the same bed, not wanting to be seen with their john?
"We're not taking on a fight; we're taking on a multiple-front fight because we've taken on a series of entrenched interests across the waterfront -- from education to health care, and the defense industry, and the lobbying industry as a whole… There will be a scorecard at the end of which ones we won and which ones we didn't, but every one of those policy challenges have been initiated by us."
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175114
I’ll leave this for you to decide; other than being disgusted by what Washington has become, I have to move on. Wealth management and the capital market has become particularly challenging these days.
You want to know why Main Street missed the equity market cycle top in the fall of 2007; the major media, like politicians, became bought-and-paid-for cheerleaders. Ask yourself why Bloomberg-TV yesterday had to re-run maybe 100 times in 24 hours the “We’re going a lot higher” speech of Laszlo Birinyi?
Is it because Birinyi is a star money manager or top-tier self promoter who happens to be on the right side of what Wall Street wants Main Street to hear right now? It can’t be because he’s got a crystal ball because he called S&P 750 the bottom in December, which promptly (next three months) lost -11.2% for his followers and, I presume, clients. That call necessitated a gain of +12.6% just to get back to scratch.
Or is it because he wanted to go on air to tout Wells Fargo, JP Morgan and American Express?
I point this out because at the present time, I happen to have zero interest in buying shares of WFC, JPM or AXP. Simply put, I don’t understand the risk involved in these companies. It was only a few months ago the US taxpayers had to bail them out with billions of dollars and scholars like nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz are now saying they are in worse shape than before the Lehman collapse, and it was the Lehman positions these banks were holding at the time.
All I know is that Birinyi and his Wall Street pals are leading the march to higher prices and I am basically still positioning myself on defense.
Let’s look at what was happening through the period of December-March, when Birinyi was strutting his stuff in Barron’s and CNBC, Bloomberg and whichever other puppeteer’s instrument would pay him attention. As noted above, the Birinyi call sunk wealth by 11 to 13% over the next three months. Starting from 100 at the beginning of December, the month Birinyi made his pronouncement, the S&P plunged to 89.02 through March, while my two oldest reasonable size accounts (since we had just started then) lifted to 106.26, according to records that have been filed with regulators. And you know through this time, I was no bull fighter (or manure spreader). The truth is that I was ultra-cautious – just like I am today.
Back then, in March, my construction worker friend “invested” all $100,000 of his savings in Citigroup (C) at the price of $1.00 and that stock traded well over $5 in the past couple weeks. Yes, it hit a high of $5.43 on August 25. Does that performance make my friend a smarter investor than me or even Wall Street favorite Birinyi? No; it makes him a gambler. He might also have used his savings to buy lottery tickets and won an even bigger prize. When you gamble, winning is a matter of luck.
At the end of the day, wealth management is first and foremost a job of understanding and managing risk. Only second does that burdensome task come down to seeking opportunity. As we all know, those opportunities don’t come along often. I will tell you today, with as much confidence as Birinyi appeared in the 100-odd Bloomberg-TV re-runs that buying Wells Fargo Bank (WFC) at 28-half six months after it closed at just over 12 is not appealing to me. I don’t see the opportunity.
If WFB investor Warren Buffett was my in-law, I might close my eyes and stay in the stock. After all, the RSI-7 this morning is 69.9, 66.1 and 62.2 for the Daily, Weekly and Monthly, and rising. Otherwise, if I really did have a position, I might write the Oct 30 calls and buy the 27 puts for no cost. If the stock is lifted by the Wall Street gang past 30, and I have my stock called away, my gain in a month is over +5%. If we have a big pull-back, I know WFC was trading below 27 this month, and would have a difficult time surviving a market sell-off; so, I’d be happy to be able to stick somebody else with a 27 price. But I do not have a position, and more importantly I would not be happy if I did.
Unlike the President, and maybe Birinyi, I don’t have to be in that bed, positioning myself to look good.
I do have to remain nimble though because these are very challenging days.
Btw, people are asking for my track record, but the problem is that (i) I don't run a fund or pool assets; I manage individual accounts for the owners of those accounts, some of them wanting more or less risk, some being taxable and others non-taxable, some being $100,000 and others over $1 million, and all of them coming to me at different times, some in cash and some in securities, and (ii) whatever I publish as a performance record must be acceptable to securities regulators. I have a meeting with regulators tomorrow, where I intend to bring up this issue because people want to know. One thing I would like to know from the regulators is why they allow Talking Heads to say this market is going a lot higher from here without giving us (i) a three-month track record every time they make these pronouncements in the major media, and (ii) the factual basis on which they made their determination, and I don't mean I want to hear that the Boys got together on the phone and said they could squeeze a little more out of this market.
But, come to think of it, the market has become, like Obama/Emanuel says, a place of Us versus Them.
Comments
Re: Cara's Commentary & Community Chat, Wednesday, Sept. 16, ...
When Rahm Emanuel says it's "Us versus Them" it seems clear the "Us" is the White House Gang.
His boss is supposed to know the U.S. Constitution, therefore we should see a bit more adherence to same and recognition of the "WE"...
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"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
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"Us versus Them" is pure Chicago style politics! "Us" being those in power and "them" being anyone opposing "our goals".
just too good to be true.
Pimco ups its stake in government debt big time in one fund:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&si...
while global confidence is breaking new highs on signs recession over
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&si...
on the back of eight days of straight gains in QQQQ with no pullback. Hmmm. Something stinks.
I am guessing that Pimco is confident that yields remain low and prices will rise if they're loading up? Or do they seek the yields of rising interest rates they believe will come from an "improving" economy?
Cara 100 Ratings Changes
Good morning.
ADBE - Downgraded to Hold @ Jefferies & Co. PT = $37
GRMN - Upgraded to Hold @ Deutsche Securities. PT Raised from $15 to $33
MORE US VS THEM
ALOHA !!
From Tuesday section ...
aucourant posted - "we could start a lobby "Government for the People" on behalf of the American people."
So we already pay their bloated salary as "bribe takers" and now we have to pay them "honesty bonuses" to boot?
I say we just vote out every REP and DEM incumbent in the US Congress no matter how long they have been there. No matter who they are. Let them know we are done with REP and DEM. Stop contributing donations to those two parties, stop volunteering for those parties, stop all contact with those parties. Let both parties just dry up and blow away.
JUST VOTE THEM ALL OUT ...
CLEAN HOUSE! Literally ...
It would be so much cheaper and so effective. We pay nothing yet send a VERY powerful message that we are done with them! Just imagine 535 new employees showing up at Goldman Sachs headquarters all at once! HA!! Then imagine a CSPAN without a single DEM or REP present in Congress, only independents and libertarians and the like. Not a single REP or DEM present anywhere in Washington DC. Then imagine the REP and DEM headquarters having to shut down due to lack of funds ... AWESOME ...
A complete coup without a shot fired or a single street protest!
That is what I have been doing since the 1980s ...
Voting is POWER ... show them the POWER for once!
WHAT FIGHT?
ALOHA !!
Rahm says ... "We're not taking on a fight; we're taking on a multiple-front fight because we've taken on a series of entrenched interests across the waterfront -- from education to health care, and the defense industry, and the lobbying industry as a whole… There will be a scorecard at the end of which ones we won and which ones we didn't, but every one of those policy challenges have been initiated by us."
All those entities like the education, healthcare and defense that Rahm speaks of as a "FIGHT" are clearly being lavished with more funds than ever before according to what the US TREASURY DAILY STATEMENTS say. Those three are the "darlings" of US TREASURY. All three of those "fights", those government entities, added together have received more than $1.5TRIL in rewards so far for FY 2009.
I just do not see how you can say you are in a multi front fight when you(Rahm) are handing your "opponent" more money than they have ever seen! That's not even close to a "fight" ... that's a LOVE FEST!
These people LIE ALL THE TIME about everything and anything ...
Singapore showing leadership in bubble management
"Sept. 16 (Bloomberg) -- As Alan Greenspan tirelessly makes the rounds to save his legacy, Singapore is reminding us why the former Federal Reserve chairman’s efforts aren’t working.
Mr. “We Can’t Detect Bubbles” probably never thought he could learn a thing or three from an economy of 4.8 million people. This week, Singapore’s National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan unveiled measures to prevent excessive price swings in the real-estate market.
The reason: The Asian country sees the very signs of rampant speculation in home buying that central bankers such as Greenspan long argued couldn’t be spotted or headed off. Funny how tiny Singapore can do it and the mighty Fed can’t.
Mah, in perhaps a Freudian slip, seemed to note the irony. He said Singapore’s measures were meant to “temper the exuberance in the market.” Remember it was in December 1996 that Greenspan made the words “irrational exuberance” a euphemism for bubble."
The author goes onto note that:
"In Hong Kong’s case, I’d say it’s too late. Its market capitalization to gross domestic product ratio is 640 percent, according to Mark Matthews, a strategist at Fox-Pitt Kelton in Hong Kong. That’s four times larger than that of Singapore and 10 times as large as the average for the rest of the region. Bubble, anyone?
Exhibit A: A one-bedroom apartment in Kowloon sold for a record HK$24.5 million ($3.2 million), the South China Morning Post reported. For 816 square feet (76 square meters), that had better include visits by Jackie Chan or Jay-Z."
So the Hang Seng is apparently in bubble territory along with HK real estate. So the US markets may not make the first move in tumbling. And Mr Bubbles just keeps on making a spectacle of himself.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&si...
Cara 100 Update
BRCM - Price Target Raised from $34 to $37 @ Caris & Co. Buy
SNDK - Upgraded to Buy @ Broadpoint AmTech. PT = $26
Rand Paul will be on Cspan at 0900
I do not know the exact time, but its around 9 AM
Edit: he is on presently
Re: MORE US VS THEM
Kaimu,
"JUST VOTE THEM ALL OUT ...
CLEAN HOUSE! Literally ..."
This includes Ron Paul who I very much respect for his integrity. I believe Dr. Paul would be happy to be voted out if it meant the people taking back their government. Go green party, rainbow party, libertarian & bull moose party!
ALL UP
ALOHA !!
GOLD UP and AUD UP
GOLD UP and CDN UP
I see most of the commodity currencies are up against the USD and gold priced in those currencies are up as well. This enhances owning a pure gold producer listed on the ASX or TSX much more. A currency and metal "arbitrage vortex-x-x"(aka: Rogue Trader)!! HA!!
When I follow currencies I note the differentials(point spreads). Like I have always seen the spread between the Swiss Franc and the Australian Dollar is always 1000 basis points roughly for months now. Today it has now broken down that resistance in favor of the Australian Dollar and is now at a .0948 value. On the present course this would signal a break out in the Australian Dollar.
I do not use the AUD ETF FXA, but I do use the real deal ...
Cara 100 Update
Coming fast and furious this morning:
Upgrades:
AET - to Neutral @ GS. PT Raised to $28
AMZN - to Buy @ BOA/Merrill Lynch. PT = $103
Re: MORE US VS THEM
ALOHA !!
It definitely includes RON PAUL! He would be one of the most proud Americans if he saw WE THE PEOPLE clean house on these "illegals", these traitors. He has said many times that he is only running as a REP so he can stay in power and keep getting elected! He is playing the "game" ... He knows the score in DC!! He knows that 90% of US Voters can't think past two parties! He knows the power structure in DC and the media is against third parties, which is why WE THE PEOPLE need to be voting FOR third parties! HA!!
People like RUSH LIMBAUGH should be ousted from radio for promoting the two party system. As long as you listen to RUSH you are divided! You are NOT UNITED against the corrupt two party political elite.
Whatever they say we need to do the opposite! DO A GANDHI!! DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN EMPIRE! SAY "NO" TO EMPIRE ... EMPIRE = REP & DEM
Rand Paul is on presently on Cspan
Live...running against Bunning from Kentucky.
Cara 100 Update
ERTS - Upgraded to Outperform @ FBR Capital. PT Raised from $20 to $22
Woah Betsy!
I was thinking at 8 am that gold futures just might sell off to nearly flat and then rise. But the way they're acting now, this could turn into one hell of a big day for gold.
It could go up 80 bucks today. Yeah I know that sounds like koo-koo talk, but it could.
HNU.to/HND.to
If you're holding either one and thinking three sevens just lined up on the slot machine, here's the casino concierge to explain it all to you:
http://tinyurl.com/olql5e
Re: Cara's Commentary & Community Chat, Wednesday, Sept. 16, ...
How does a stock tumble 4% in AH trading and open at the closing price... just curious...
And, there are many lower priced tickers having very strong moves of late... laggards last to the party... another topping action???
Politicians.
We the citizens of the Unites States of America are a blessed lot. We have the best politicians money can buy.
Dear Les, about the videos
Please use them for educational purposes. I myself don't trade on what i see that particular "episode". But I have used the learnings when that learning creates ideas on my own trading strategies.
this is in regard to your post on Tue thread, "Submitted by Les (2538 comments) on Wed, 09/16/2009 - 07:11 #46030
Looking for a short as NYUGrad's trader link has me preparing for a possible correction. Pulled up DBRN for another look on the weekly. Looks like the converging trend lines have put a stop on it...."
But glad you are also watching them as they are excellent learning tools. I have picked several tech indicators from his videos, and how they work and have added them to my tool belt.
gold +14 to 1019 premarket
So as far as I can tell, gold's rise yesterday evening and this morning was accomplished without a large move down in the buck. I recall Bill saying that in the past that gold runs typically end with gold gapping higher overnight, and then selling off all day long. We're in a position to do just that this morning.
So after market open, will gold drive higher, will the shorts run to cover, or will we see distribution followed by weakness and perhaps accompanied by a dollar rebound?
On My Radar
Last night I posted my radar....just re-posting it here for my own point of reference:
"Economic Reports:
CPI > expected 0.1% rise without energy; higher could be bad for market
In play:
REITs, Shippers, Industrials, Regional Banks
Best Shipper:
NM: very conservatively run; resistance is at $5.54, above that it could go to $6.67. EPS estimates in 2009 are $.67 and in 2010 they are $1.16, so its pretty cheap relative to earnings.
Best Industrial:
GE: officially "in play". Broke resistance at around $14.90 and again around $15.83 from January.
My Watch List:
GE, AAPL, HBAN, NM, BEE, ACAS, YRCW, MS, RF, TSFG"
Us vs Them strategy
10x10x10x10.....March to 100M
I am at heart a cynic and skeptic. I guess you can become like that growing up in NYC. But I want to be part of the solution. And I will assume this community consists of thousands of readers just in America alone. And I will also assume each of those frequent readers knows 10 people that are not commonly shared adults who pay taxes and live in America.
If we each effect 10 people in our network to open their eyes to what is happening, and they agree to do the same, it would not take very long for full awareness by all of the working class in America.
This logic is why I started my blog and why I have started to speak loudly with my family, friends, and coworkers. Referring them to this blog, other blogs, emailing ron paul videos, encouraging them to see Michael Moore's new upcoming movie, etc.
A democracy filled with men and women who don't know they are slaves, is just a tyranny!
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Re: gold +14 to 1019 premarket
I have been watching gold in euros. It has barely moved at all. Meanwhile, the euro is at $1.468. So I'm not confident that this rally in gold is meaningful.
Screwdoodle in full effect
For anyone who bought gold long this morning....Looking to enter yamana on a solid turnaround above the upper pivot at 11.
Preferrably AT 11:)
Could take 'till 11 am as well.
Re: On My Radar
TOF, ACAS is rocking at the open. Do you mind sharing what put it on your radar yesterday?
Edit: Now I see this from marketwatch.com
Corning Inc. said that it has bought all shares of Axygen BioScience Inc. and its subsidiaries from American Capital Ltd. for about $400 million in cash.
Fall is in the air, when thoughts turn to parabolic moves
Dave- I think it's high-risk time, regardless of what one holds in his portfolio. Even cash, where the risk is underperformance. Nothing would surprise me right now.
Of course, it's also a time to be prepared for opportunities.
100% cash right now.
Re: Dear Les, about the videos
yeh yeh no need for the disclaimers NYUGrad :) I know now not to take analysis literally but try to sort it out in my head as a "what if" scenario. I've been frustrated by the whipsawing in recent times, but I can see this guy is going to help me structure a plan for difference scenarios.
ACAS
Bought some at $3.06. The company has now announced two deals, of which today's is a large deal, in the past week. The deals are selling their portfolio companies which means there is liquidity in the marketplace and they are able to raise much needed cash to cover their debt convenant issues. The stock was beating down quite a bit and if they can survive this stock will go up quite a bit in my opinion.
BEE
Sold some at $1.55 that I bought at $1.495
Re: Us vs Them strategy
I admire your efforts. Yes we can, as I have been doing the same to educate and awaken those around me.
The Ghost fleet off Singapore
I like the article on the ghost fleet NYUGrad, but I believe the reasons for their "secretive" location is a little more benign. Apparently Singaporean regulations and fees are dreadfully expensive compared to Malaysian or Indonesian waters just next door, so maintaining idle ships is a lot cheaper.
Re: gold +14 to 1019 premarket
Nothing looks meaningful in my eyes at the moment since everything looks to be purely liquidity and emotionally driven. Interestingly the banks have started to underperform again.
Yes, it is a long way to 790EUR/Oz from 692. Would 1200USD/Oz make a new high in EUR as well? I certainly do not expect on it, not this year at least.
Re: The Ghost fleet off Singapore
You know more than I on the subject. I thought it was fascinating because every pundit is saying the recession is over, yet this armada of cargo ships sits idle.
Re: On My Radar
Chris - ACAS is one I have watched since December. They have a portfolio of companies whose performance was dragging the company into near bankruptcy. They violated some debt covenants and were able to negotiate extensions on them hoping they could sell some of their companies and raise cash. They couldn't do this until the past week and they just announced two deals, of which today's is a big one and will solve their cash problems. I think this goes much higher.
Cara 100 Update (Final)
ADBE - numbers raised at FBR. Shares seen reaching $33. Estimates also boosted, to reflect strong operating momentum. Market Perform rating.
BBY - numbers boosted at Goldman. Shares now seen reaching $44. Estimates also increased, to reflect higher sales expectations. Neutral rating.
Re: On My Radar
I also meant to mention that they sold the company for a huge gain and it values the company at over $200 Million more than they were marking it on their books last quarter. So book value of the company goes up more than 10%, which is significantly considering it is currently trading at .5 times it's book value from last quarter. If it trades at book this is a $7 stock.
Rick Santelli is ...... !
http://www.youtube.com/v/QtQ8EMSpR3E&hl=en&fs=1&
Re: ALL UP
'I see most of the commodity currencies are up against the USD and gold priced in those currencies are up as well. This enhances owning a pure gold producer listed on the ASX or TSX much more.'
Ha, not if your an Aussie or Canadian Kaimu. Gold for us poor Aussies is DOWN 25 odd % since February.
Obviously our PPP is up but thats cold comfort sometimes :)
I'm a long term Gold bull, but the more and more I learn, the more I wonder how great an investment it is for those from the 'commodity currency' countries, as our AUD seems to be the worlds 'go to' currency at the moment.
Bill if your ever looking for a topic to discuss, I and I'm sure other non US members would love to hear your thoughts on the subject of gold in strong currencies.
Cheers
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Re: MORE US VS THEM
Hey, wait a minute. If you don't want a guy like Ron Paul who would you accept?
Your argument sounds as if you are the only one qualified to fill 435 seats.
Jefferson is long dead we can only vote for what we have available.
Ban Limbaugh? What — no free speech? According to the Constitution anyone has the right to speak and let the people decide on the validity of his opinions.
Slow down and take a breath.
Re: The Ghost fleet off Singapore
The fact that "every pundit is saying the recession is over" makes me think it's just begun. Where were these pundits last year? Where were they in March? What is their record (as Bill mentioned this morning)? Look at Bernake's statement yesterday -- what the heck does he know about the future when he got this whole mess so wrong as far as his prognostications went?
Colour me cynical but there's really only one economist I listen to -- David Rosenberg and even his words are carefully vetted.
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MS
What's up with this stock? GS skyrockets north and they are languishing. Their timing was bad so I guess that's the reason. What do I mean by this? Well, they ratcheted up risk in 2007 and turned it down in 2009. I guess the market has no faith in them capitalizing on market opportunities.
I believe it will trend up over the next few months but I don't see it going significantly higher until they can put a quarter or two together that beats estimates.
Re: On My Radar
You know, the more I think about this deal the more it makes me think ACAS is significantly undervalued. They sold this company for $400 Million. The current market cap of ACAS is $900 Million. This is a company that was on the brink of bankruptcy. It was a $40 stock in 2008.
FD:
I own shares at $3.05ish.
Obama misses chance for financial reform
New Daniel Dicker article... http://www.thestreet.com/story/10598899/1/finance-...
Re: The Ghost fleet off Singapore
"You know more than I on the subject."
not really :).
"I thought it was fascinating because every pundit is saying the recession is over, yet this armada of cargo ships sits idle."
And in that you are right. But it is terribly frustrating not to be able to make market trading decisions based on economic conditions.
Being a parent never instilled the sort of patience that I'm learning from trading.
a useful read on the subject:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,151...
speaking of shipping, DRYS that I accidently shorted yesterday fiddling with the stop order just went through the roof. Covered ok when resistance was passed, but sheesh talk about a major stuff up...
DRYS options
Went long the Oct $9 Calls @ $0.25 this morning. Loving the action and huge volume. I also think the weak $USD is greasing the wheels of the transportation industry. At the same time weary that these market melt ups usually end in shocking fashion so not wanting much downside exposure, thus the calls instead of stock.
Re: Rick Santelli is ...... !
thank goodness he is back in ' the pits ' instead of having to play nice on the set..... Santelli is the only, and I mean Only regular on cnbc ( there is no way in hell I will capitalize ' cnbc ' )who tells the truth..... I thought all was lost while he was on fast money,,,, glad to see his stripes haven't changed...
TIC Ouflows very bad for USD
Treasure Dept. reported TIC outflow today for July. Data shows a sharp net capital outflow from the United States, increased to $97.5 billion in July from a revised outflow of $56.8 billion in June (TICS Report).
Also, June data had originally reported an outflow of $31.2 billion, revised.
This means money is not coming into the U.S, likely seen as too risky by foreign investors. BNN reported that these moves are not by major central banks, but by smaller institutions or individuals.
Latest table of losses of the USD versus other currencies: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_iV5yDiKxCdk/SrDd6_8orhI/... BZF RSI7 at 69.
Re: The Ghost fleet off Singapore
I agree, very good points. I really like how Rosenberg's new firm puts out a free daily email with his thoughts on the markets and economy.
So PM's are hot
How long before they cool down? The daily chart on JAG looks ok but where is the POG tomorrow? JAG looking like ABX after their mutual investor dilution efforts.
A couple of spikes at 1009 offering limited resistance. hmmm I don't know.
Dollar to tank further on news of $USD flight out of the States?
ACAS
Bought more at $3.20.
gold here
as noted earlier here, gold jumping pre-market and then moving sideways/down the rest of the day has been a bad sign.
that being said we are at $1015 gold. so the bugs cant really complain.
i suspect many gold bugs are still smarting from the dump gold shares took last year, making them quick to call a top here. this might fuel a move higher before true parabolic buying and eventually selling occurs. ive never seen this level of caution being called for by this many gold-centered analysts before.
too many seem to be expecting a nice pull back before another grind higher, this may still be in play but it would seem just too easy non?
SNY - 52-week high. Time to protect downside?
SNY - I have owned this for a while and added some last year after the initial H1N1 scare. It just made a new 52-week high. Wonder how much furtehr it has to run or I should consider writing Calls against some of my holdings to protect downside. I also fear a near-term bounce in the us$.
http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=sny
As per the RSI 7d-7W-7m system values are not yet screaming a SELL, but I am sure it will go down if/when the rest of the markets go down.
Would appreciate any/all opinions
Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
This is just plain stupid... I have to ask myself,,,, if I am trading, am I not part of the scam.... I know the answer...... I cannot rationalize AMZN, etc.... If the ' public ' is once again ' investing ' with the vampire funds ( and I pray not... I really mean it, I Pray not ), I refuse to support any of this, even though I am not even a drop in the ocean....
Re: SNY - 52-week high. Time to protect downside?
Custom chart review FWIW. You may want to protect those nice gains in some way given prior resistance and lack of volume on the upside.
http://chart.ly/htqwxa
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
i'm trading it and doing well. i don't know why people are so anti a stock market rally. the evidence i have seen from my business and from people i know is that things have turned around quite a bit. the market is reflecting this. what is so bad about that?
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
The valuations... and the fact that inside selling is 25 x inside buying... they know better than I what is going on...
SQM
Reference post on SQM purchase on 9/4/09 @33.96 when daily RSI 7 rose up thru 30. (RSI7 now at 81.22).
Just Sold Jan 40 calls for half position of SQM @ $2.25, lowering cost to 31.71; taking the 12% gain on remaining half, selling @ 38.03.
Re: The Ghost fleet off Singapore
NYU, I am aware of the "ghost fleet", but from these postings I have learned to pay attention to the BDI http://tinyurl.com/3sm9kd (still low with BCI in free fall) and rail car loadings http://tinyurl.com/5otcgc (current week is looking good, but YTD not so much).
This looks like another good site http://tinyurl.com/qtm5n6 but I haven't used it much yet.
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
The trick is to surrender to the flow. We all know that at various times the market valuations will swing way far past true value in both directions. Hello dot-com era! No point in getting mad at the market.
There were also plenty of insiders that sold at the bottom. The CEO of CHK had to virtually liquidate much of his vast holdings of CHK stock after a margin call virtually marking the bottom. Plenty of other CEOs saw fortunes that they have invested in their own companies get crushed, so naturally many have been squaring away positions and taking risk off the table.
No point in getting mad at prices, they will happen anyways. I think a lot of the bear argument has missed the idea that when S&P was at 666, prices were very irrationally lower than true value. Perhaps now they are irrationally higher - only time will tell. But isn't it false logic to say stock are way overpriced now but were accurately valued at the bottom? Its all momentary perception and emotion.
subject discussion from Jesse's
"Long Term Gold Chart Targets 1325"
"US Dollar Long Term Chart and a Scenario for Dollar Devaluation"
depressing - talking about dollar devaluation...
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/
Going into the weekend . .
Excerpt From Market Edge Daily:
"We are heading into the quadruple witching this Friday. With much heavier call open interest than put open interest at the 1050 strike of SPX (same at the 105 strike of SPY), the S&P 500 could be capped at the 1050 level into the weekend."
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
I agree. I would rather make money than say "that's it, this is totally irrational...I don't care if the market keeps going up because I'm right and I'm not going to buy anything". No one is bigger than the market.
And to say that everything is overvalued is ridiculous in my mind. Are you going to tell me that GE is overvalued when it is still 60% off its highs? What if the economy is actually turning around? Wouldn't you agree that it's possible that companies like GE can actually grow their revenues and that the earnings estimates could be low if the economy has bottomed and is going up?
I'm also cognizant that things could be heading toward a blow off top in the short term but I think things are getting better in the economy despite what most naysayers are pointing to. I'm optimistic but keeping open to all sides of the argument.
Re: gold here
Gold does seem to be acting unusual lately. The usual Asian buying seems about normal but the usual NY takedowns have either disappeared or become much less intense. It is probably 1 of 2 scenarios. The first is that this is just the normal ramp by the NY gold cartel and within days the gold market will crash so that they can cash in on their massive short positions. The other possibility is that physical demand has finally weakened the NY gold cartel and they are in a desperate retreat. As they weaken gold should rocket up due to reduced suppression and growing demand.
What leans me to the second possibility is that the NY gold cartel are ruthless and generally do not warn the unsuspecting longs that they are about to crash the market, i.e. scenario #1. This element of surprise helps them maximize their gains. However, if one has read the headlines over the past few days, banker perma gold bears Reade (UBS) and Nadler (Kitco), and to some extent Christian (CPM Group), have "warned" investors about this current top in gold. Anyone setting a trap does not warn their victims. Thus, I would say the cornered rats are desperate.
Cheers
Freight Transportation up in July
http://tinyurl.com/r8229v
An interesting site. I may start using it.
Thursday, September 10, 2009 - The Freight Transportation Services Index (TSI) rose 1.6 percent in July from its June level, the first monthly increase since February and the largest increase since January 2008, the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) reported today (Table 1).
BTS, a part of the Research and Innovative Technology Administration, reported that the
NOTE >>Freight TSI declined in nine of the last 12 months, but has remained steady or increased in the last two (Table 2).
For additional historical data, go to http://www.bts.gov/xml/tsi/src/index.xml
Bears get clocked, Chapter 5
shark- We don't get to jump ahead to the last chapter, as they write this book in real time.
But I am seeing a little capitulation on some of the blogs.
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
"No point in getting mad at prices, they will happen anyways."
No kidding. Prices reflect collective consensus at any given moment. How is it a matter of any emotion, anger or otherwise... Crowds are gullible and are going to get lured it near the top? Well, it happened at each and every market top and it's exactly what makes the top - exhaustion of buyers among which crowd is the last segment to react. Similarly, bottoms are made with crowds being last to exit. One can get mad at tulip mania of the 17th century just the same.
Let me offer a great read: Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay, first published in 1841. Offers real perspective on the matter and contributes greatly to understanding of the markets from mass psychology point of view.
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
"No one is bigger than the market."
Was agreed until this point TOF. That's a strain of determinism. Suggesting that technology must rule our future, or the state must rule people in order for there to be harmony are ideas covering various inequities, just as the market does.
I understand Baz's thoughts, but revolutions invariably fail and the only solution IMO is a slow evolutionary period of maturity in human society that frowns upon these inequities as opposed to taking advantage of them. In the mean time, I try to pique the interest of my family in taking control of their financial futures. This includes understanding the rules of this market. That is the best we can do.
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
Agreed. It's like getting mad at being stuck in traffic. You might as well get into the Zen of waiting it out. Have dinner. Get an oil change. Whatever.
Team, I should clarify... its the t.v. pumped equities that I
feel is wrong... Traders have to make a living, I know... But I am stating this from, and for, myself... The massive dump was wrong, and this is wrong... I know sooooo many people who entire lives have been totally changed because of the past year, those who put large portions of their savings into the market... these are not wasteful people... teachers, city workers, self employed, who listened to and believed their financial mentors... there is no such thing as ' retirement ' for them anymore, and they earned it, going to work at 6 am, getting home at 7 pm... the funds will push anything to get their commissions and bonus... I AM NOT wishing a drop... that would affect the very people I know and mentioned... but, these people are once again putting what little free money they have, back in this ' market '... So, I will shut up, because this goes against the grain of the community, and I do not want to be viewed as an outcast..
error
http://seekingalpha.com/article/161578-the-little-...
this article is already available to us.
Audit the Fed Petitions
http://tinyurl.com/qggj2x
I am guessing if this gets enough traction, Bernanke and possibly even Obama, might use "Risk of Systemic Failure" as a scare tool to prevent full disclosure.
The people of this country must be able to say at that pivotal moment "So what, we dont care. We the people choose POVERTY over SLAVERY!"
I hope the country is strong enough to make a stand.
Re: Team, I should clarify... its the t.v. pumped equities ...
I feel bad for these people but I put a large part of the blame on them. People have to take control of their own money. Why would anyone work their butts off 40+ hours a week and save money and then put it into something they have no idea about? That's just ridiculous. The market is inherently risky.
Re: ALL UP
ALOHA !!
I look at the POG in AUD terms in relation to mining and it is up plenty to make a profit and for foreigners, which I am one, with devaluing currencies the gain we made by selling a USD and buying a AUD or CDN has made us some 30% to 35% richer just off currencies. Add in buying the downtrodden Aussie miners and portfolios are up over 600%! In Jan 2008 when I was in Perth the exchange rate for AUD/USD was much higher and favored the AUD, it was getting close to par (94) and if I recall all I ever saw on TV was how the job market needed more workers as there was not enough to fill vacant positions. As I understand it now jobs in OZ are not as plentiful as then, at least in Perth.
RATES ... Do not worry about that. When the weaker currencies like the USD are forced to raise rates the AUD will come down and not be so dominate in terms of bank rates. Either that or the AUD will hit the skids on its own economy. Hence the term "floating"! In relation to real assets they are all "sinking" though. What can you expect from corrupt money?
As an American I can only hope the US government and the US FED DEBT has not totally trashed our Nation by time they must start raising rates. There is a point of no return.
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
Love that book!! So pertinent to today. Thanks for suggesting it.
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T-bill yields are now down to much less than 1/10th of 1 percent
Well, 0.9% tells me traders are too scared to take risk.
Re: Team, I should clarify... its the t.v. pumped equities ...
baz, I don't think your line of thoughts is going against the grain of the community per se. Displeasure with the way wasteful and ineffective money management ways were and are being pushed on unsuspecting public was expressed here many times, and rightly so. That's why we do what we do here: try to educate those who are inclined to manage their money themselves and offer professional management based on very different principles to those who aren't.
It's just that many prefer emotions to lead to something constructive, not just endless venting :)
Re: Team, I should clarify... its the t.v. pumped equities ...
Understood, Vad... thanks..
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
"Let me offer a great read: Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay, first published in 1841."
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/24518
Thanks Vad, here^s a link to a free electronic version.
TEAM. - WHO KNOWS WHAT?
ALOHA !!
teamonfuego posted - "Why would anyone work their butts off 40+ hours a week and save money and then put it into something they have no idea about?"
Does that include US residential real estate? In 2002 and 2003 many relatives and friends and biz relations were "done with tech" and decided that real estate was the place to be because it was "solid, tangible and they knew and understood real estate". So as I told people I was not going into real estate but gold they scoffed and then went off to sink hundreds of thousands of dollars into So Cal and Las Vegas real estate. What money they all made was all lost because they did not get out in time.
I spoke with my Las Vegas friends and they are all sitting on rentals now and their house values are down below $100k and in fact at $60k on some, on homes that a couple years ago were selling for over $200k!
So what is it that Americans DO KNOW ABOUT? If we have failed at real estate then whats left? Not too many are that eager to jump into the top of an old rally, besides many were already burned from the tech boom and what little funds are left after getting burned from the recent real estate boom are more likely to go to the one "buy and hold investment" that you never get burned on PAYING OFF DEBT! I always tell people who run into a pile of cash to pay off debt, but rarely do they follow that advice. The idea of "leverage" is just too powerful! Now the "leverage" idea even has more power since now people are looking to "make up" for past losses! And so the FIAT CASINO goes! The AMERICAN DREAM of more DEBT lives on ... If only banks would loan again on "detectable pulses"! HA!! MORE MARGIN PLEASE!
Everyone I know thinks the POG at $1000 is too high, but then they thought $400 was too high! What really is too high?
My SLW 15 min chart
I bought around where I circled the oversold stoch condition on the chart. I have a stop below that level to control losses. But for gains i use indicators to guide when i sell.
seems it can either be consolidating or forming a bearish wedge. support and resistance is clearly defined. But greed is more apparent than fear. might be time to cash in.
http://tinyurl.com/q4c9o4
On another note, I was right on IAG, just got shaken out too early. IAG has no overhead technical resistance, that other gold miners have to contend with.
Re: Team, I should clarify... its the t.v. pumped equities ...
baz, I agree with Vad that your contributions are appreciated. Even as prices rocket higher, I think there is a valid argument to be made that the stock market is not, contrary to popular belief, the best place for people to plan for their long term financial goals/retirement. In fact the last few years have proven that equities are indeed one of, if not the most volatile asset classes one can invest in.
I think there is a very valid argument to be made that the current mass perception of how to plan for retirement is entirely incorrect! Just look at the average 401K plan where you are given about 10 choices, about 8 of which are directly exposed to equities. People aren't being given the necessary tools to diversify their retirement savings.
Are people given proper explanation of what a 401K is and how it works? Why are there no precious metals funds in 401Ks? Why are there only 1 or 2 fixed income products versus 7-8 equities options? I think we need to act ourselves who is running this show and why are they not providing access to a larger variety of investment vehicles?
At the same time there is a required level of personal responsibility involved that we must be cognizant of.
Cuomo subpoenas 5 BofA board members
My best wishes to his success in prosecuting and implicating Paulson/Bernanke as well.
http://tinyurl.com/o2wjp9
Teamonfugo, tighten the stops on ACAS? You thoughts please
TOF, grappling with hard stops. Stepped into ACAS at 3.27 after observing favourable MACDh movement when you were calling it out. Now it's 3.40. I've tightened up the stops to 3.22, just under the horizontal consolidation. Is that too tight a stop in your experience? TIA. (I notice PSAR giving a tighter stop then that)
UUP (USD)
Another down day - what does this make, 8 of the last 9? I keep expecting a rebound, and every day I'm disappointed. Perhaps I should capitulate. :)
I wish I had real volume information on the forex market.
RSI daily=15.43, weekly=16.45, monthly=31.30
SRS at 9.10 anyone??
Re: Team, I should clarify... its the t.v. pumped equities ...
I agree that the 401k choices are absurd. But that doesn't mean people have to put money into the options. Most have a money market type fund that they can invest in. Nothing wrong with that if you don't understand the market. I just think if people are going to work hard and save money and put that money to use they ought to know what they're getting into.
Kaimu points out friends that are underwater on homes they bought...I have plenty of friends/relatives that are hurting because of the same issue. But a large majority of them didn't take the time to assess how risky a home is and just how much they can afford. Do they fully understand how illiquid the market for real estate is? Do they know that they shouldn't buy something that is more than 3 times their annual income? If not, why didn't they do the research to figure this out? We're talking about investments that in many cases consist of the entirety of someone's savings. Lack of liquidity is the main reason I have no intention of buying a home in my life time. I'm perfectly content with renting.
On a personal note, do I blame advisors for losing all of my money in the stock market several years ago? Of course not. It was my own fault because I didn't know what I was doing. I took the time to learn what I was doing wrong and to avoid the same mistakes that I made.
I think people need to take more control of their financial situation and be honest with themselves. There are inherent risks in everything we do with our money.
Re: Team, I should clarify... its the t.v. pumped equities ...
Baz22 said, " So, I will shut up, because this goes against the grain of the community, and I do not want to be viewed as an outcast.."
Please speak up, differing points of views are good. Regardless of what we feel or our own bias, we need to know both sides to best navigate. Thanks for sharing.
Re: Teamonfugo, tighten the stops on ACAS? You thoughts please
Les, I try not to use technical stops on stocks because these days too many things are trading on technical buy/sell points and they often take out stops. I set mental stops...i.e., how big of a loss am I willing to take on this position...that way I can step away from the screen, enjoy the day and understand that my risk is managed.
Just an observation..
The truth matters until it doesn't.(thanks Kaimu) It seems Rick Santelli didn't take the bait of an air time ego feed or higher contract feed and convert.
It was interesting to see how obvious the truth was when he refused to argue and didn't fall for the scripted list of hot flash points that had worked to get him going over the last year. A lesson I will take from that video.
The point, it made me have a gutt check.The recession is over. Day 1 since the call how many more days till rates go up? Does this mean that they proceed now with their truth and recovery count down. It seems they only see their truth and don't realize one morning something will end in a result they had not seen. That's when their truth will matter till it doesn't. Two ways of seeing truth in this country will lead to one big fall in my humble opinion.
How long will this take until we(USA) trip over the proverbial rug , so much has been swept under there it's going to be one heck of a fall when it happens.
Long QID with stops,long VGTSX in my 401k "savings"
Sold UXG at 3.30, Limit stink bid at 2.09(should be 2.41?) to reload
Only my second post and a second chance to say mahalo to Bill for my education which is still in progress...Aloha
Re: Teamonfugo, tighten the stops on ACAS? You thoughts please
haha on the contrary, I'm taking the opposite position and putting in stops for the same reason. My concern is a market meltdown in Asia that steeps us in red ink before the opening in the US.
But remembering the other day, will look for other support levels and loosen up a little. Don't want a gap down opening rob me of a winner. thanks for your thoughts.
PG
might be a good time to look at this again as this has lagged the market but finally started to move last week. There is a $70 price target out on them and they look pretty undervalued. Deep in the money calls expiring far out (Mar/Apr 2010 or Jan 2011) might be a good investment...
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
Ah come on... this is an old book, written with class, elegance, respect to history, tasty surfing through the names and events... get it in a library and read a real deal - paper, bookmark, old pages, someone's notes in pencil on the margin, whole enchilada of the old school... forget superdupertechnology for this one :)
Re: Teamonfugo, tighten the stops on ACAS? You thoughts please
Les - I'm willing to let this one go for a little while as I think today's news is a huge sentiment changer for the next few weeks/months. As such, I'm ok with having it go down 10% because I think it's worth at least double it's current price.
Re: Team, I should clarify... its the t.v. pumped equities ...
TOF........I agree 100%. We've no one to blame but ourselves when we blindly invest in things or have blind faith in others to do what is best. Ultimately, my point was that we should always question what is spoonfed to us as sound investment options. That should ideally be the mindset of all investors.
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
Vad said:"Ah come on... this is an old book, written with class, elegance, respect to history, tasty surfing through the names and events... get it in a library and read a real deal"
You do remember this story about a man who didn't speak the local language when he moved to another country, don't you?
I could buy it on Amazon, but that would be succumbing to superdupertechnology in pursuing said item :)
Re: Teamonfugo, tighten the stops on ACAS? You thoughts please
thanks, that's what I've loosened the stop to now. I'm beginning to like stops for days like today. First cold virus for the season and I'm off to bed. Had a ripper of a headache for the last 5 days so I'm wondering if it was THAT virus.
Night all.
WMT @ 50
Wal-Mart is showing a possible long legged doji (bullish reversal) candle on the daily chart and pretty good support at 50. Daily RSI is 27 and rising. Possibly good for few week swing trade?
Vacationing in my fav City in U.S
So my posts will be absent until Sun/Mon. But fair warning, last time i was in San Diego, the markets puked 770 points.
Tim Knight comment
Decent technical dudes take...........
http://tinyurl.com/ryfak6
Zero has picked up the shipping vessel story
And as usual he digs a bit further. I like their style of writing, as its very investigative, like the X-Files.
"The bottom line: world trade has collapsed, shipping lines, once flourishing, have become graveyard archipelagos populated by rusting ship skeletons."
http://tinyurl.com/o7medv
SPY Dec 60 puts bid $0.08
Just window shopping for now.
Re: Teamonfugo, tighten the stops on ACAS? You thoughts please
Be well Les. Rest (and a little homemade chicken noodle soup) does a body good.
More Stimulus More Waste
Nat Assoc of Realtors and Nat Assoc of Homebuilders lobbyists are busy trying to extend the stimulus giveaways
for the real estate sector. Supposedly a home appliance giveaway is scheduled for October. How are they working?
HOUSING
The current home buying incentive program, as it now exists, is expected to cost taxpayers a bit over $15 billion.
Senate Banking Committee Chairman Democrat Chris Dodd and Republican Johnny Isakson are sponsoring a bill that would extend the credit through 2010 and expand it to a $15,000 maximum. In the House, two different bills have been introduced to extend and expand the credit for either 6 or 12 months. NAR and the NAHB organizations are strongly supporting these initiatives.
NAR's own estimate is that only 350,000 of the homes sold under the program would not have been sold without the tax credit. If you now divide the $15.2 billion the program cost by only those 350,000 homes that might not have sold without it and you get a whopping $42,800 per additional home actually sold.
AUTOS
Cash for Clunkers, promoted as an energy savings measure, cost the Fed government about $600 per barrel of oil saved over the first year. Trading in a 15 mpg car for a 25mpg car driven 12,000 miles per year saves 320gal per year per car. 700,000 cars sold under the program saves 5 million gallons per year or 1/4th of one days consumption in the USA. $3 billion cost for the program equals about $600 per gallon. The government might get a bit more kickback from their giveaway as the $4500 is taxable to the auto dealers if they have any taxable income for 2009.
Can't wait for the health care initiative from these bozo's.
Goldman target 1060
Well we are at the S&P 1060 level that Goldman predicted on July 20th. I think these guys invented the phrase "self-fulfilling prophecy". I wonder if they are readying the next forecasted target for us?
Re: Vacationing in my fav City in U.S
NYU - What's up with that!?! Coming to my home city and taking the market down?
Re: MS
Well I sure was wrong on this sucker.
NYSE Summation Index
http://tinyurl.com/l2d8bc
Watch macd to see if it can break the bearish divergence. If it does this market might melt up some more.
Re: Vacationing in my fav City in U.S
He's giving you 'fair warning.' Load up on the SPY puts, and you can snap up your entire neighborhood afterwards.
David Rosenberg on the aftermath of a bubble bust
From todays Globe and Mail:
http://tinyurl.com/p6lrlb
TIF ready to breakout
to new highs.
Airlines
Looking like they may have reached maximum altitude. UAUA and AMR selling of hard from todays highs. I have ripped off the seat cushion for use as a flotation device. Out of airlines entirely for now...
Gold price or US dollar price?
It may be back-to-front to be talking about the price of gold being $1020, perhaps we should be saying the US dollar will only buy 1/1020th of an ounce of gold?
When you turn things around in this way, then tomorrow and the next day, it seems much more likely that the US Mugabe dollar is going to buy less of anything, let alone the traditional precious metal.
And if the US dollar does not devalue a whole lot, how do the US workers compete against the ROW and recover real jobs? And then, are we not talking about a major fight over the value of all currencies? Hello! Politicians with unemployed voters do not get re-elected...
And when the dust settles, it does seem that gold will be worth a whole lot more than it is today.
Re: Vacationing in my fav City in U.S
haha
WHere is MarkW?
Mark if you're reading...our favorite potential short (COF) almost hit my $40 target back in June as to when we could think about shorting...might be a decent point to short with a known stop just north of $40.
Re: Never undersetimate the gullibility of the public...
A bit about the TULIP Mania.The part about the Sailor is amusing...
tulips became a fad among the rich of Holland, and prices began to mount. Soon even ordinary bulbs were selling for extraordinary prices, and the actually rare bulbs were astronomical. A single Viceroy tulip bulb would sell for 2500 florins a value roughly equivalent to $1,250 in current American dollars, while a rarer Semper Augustus bulb could easily go for twice that. One particularly amusing exchange showed the goods traded for one bulb – the lengthy list includes among other things: a bed, a complete suit of clothes, and a thousand pounds of cheese. At the height of the mania, in what seems a complete loss of sanity, the bulbs were deemed too valuable to risk planting by their (formerly) wealthy purchasers, and it became popular to display the plain ungrown bulbs. In at least one instance the plan for safety backfired when a visiting sailor mistook a tulip bulb for an onion, and proceeded to eat it for breakfast.
The height of the bubble was reached in the winter of 1636-37. Tulip traders were making (and losing) fortunes regularly. A good trader could earn up to 60,000 florins in a month– approximately $61,710 adjusted to current U.S. dollars. With profits like those to be had, nothing local governments could do stopped the frenzy of trading. Then one day in Haarlem a buyer failed to show up and pay for his bulb purchase. The ensuing panic spread across Holland, and within days tulip bulbs were worth only a hundredth of their former prices. The tulip bubble had burst.
SLW reversal?
I'm seeing a reversal candle pattern on SLW today - long legged doji (or doji star, take your pick), with pretty high volume. Daily RSI = 80, weekly RSI = 84. Medium reliability pattern. Underlying SLV is mostly doing the same thing.
Getting closer
Market Internals update at 3:30pmET
- NYSE volume 1.19B shares, about 40% above its three-month average; advancers lead decliners by 4.5:1.
- NASDAQ volume 2.31B shares, about 27% above its three-month average; advancers lead decliners by 2.1:1.
- VIX index +1.75% to just over 23.50
If you track this stats day after day, you can see both volume and magnitude of the intraday move increase. Slow roasting of bear meat moves closer to well done stage. Another interesting sign is a lot of rumors - I don't remember seeing as many of "ABCD moving on rumor of takeover" headlines in quite a while.
Re: SLW reversal?
Dave - I can't say I am well versed in candlestick patterns but a quick glance at both the SLW and SLV charts shows me gaps up that held steady all day and a continuation of the bullish trend
SLW chart gapped up in the morning and managed to close higher in the afternoon, albeit only a few pennies. But then again - silver gapped up overnight and held about a $0.10 range throughout the US trading day, so the movement in SLW seems consistent. I don't think there is much evidence to suggest a reversal is imminent.
That's not to say a reversal couldn't happen (who knows?) but I'd have a hard time betting bearishly on either SLV or SLW until some more clues appear that the rally is sputtering.
As for RSI, I wonder what the RSI was when silver went up to $50/oz in the 1980s or the RSI on tulips in the 1630's? The current era of the markets is largely unprecedented so I would be cautious of using tools that always work in "normal markets". RSI can help gauge where the momentum/trend lies but its just one tool in the box.
It would just be top calling at this point IMO.
Creative Destruction
The article below is all about the conundrum that is Infrastructure theory contrasted with Infrastructure Practice on the wild side and painful I might add.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/13/software-oracle-s...
edit:
Up on further analysis, the author takes a rather irrisponsible attitude toward robustness of SaaS, which is not true in my opinion regarding some vendors like IWEB, which has a superior offering.
I am not saying purchase them, but while risky, they just released a major new product that changes the game for SMB.
Re: Getting closer
Vadym - I agree about the rumors part...I've read so many rumors lately it's getting silly. WFR was up today on rumors of a buyout, the same rumor that has been going on for a year now.
Re: SLW reversal?
http://tinyurl.com/lbbfkr
Money 101
confused about money, 'real money', currency, gold, etc? this is just about the simplest thing you will ever read:
http://www.openlrn.net/?page_id=202
"The Money Myth Exploded” by Louis Even
bought some more SRS after hours
I wanted to stop buying SRS, and this thought indeed saved me from placing a buy limit order on SRS at $9.5 last night, 50-cents lower than my latest purchase at $10. But buying at $9.05 after hours definitely beats buying at $9.50. :)
I also looked at the 6-month $USD chart and noticed that during its downtrend, it does regularly come back to touch the 50-day MA. Right now $USD is about the furthest away from the 50-day MA is it has been during the past 6 months. So even if the long-term downtrend in $USD stays in tact, the odds are in favor of a sideway or an up motion in $USD until it touches the 50-day MA. While $USD was moving sideways in June, the equities kept falling. Since equities are heavily overbought now, I suspect we will get a decent pullback even if $USD moves sideways (and not necessarily strongly up) for the next few weeks.
After that pullback, one will need to watch closely and decide whether or not to buy some SPY calls (that's what John Hussman did a while ago -- he didn't want to open real long positions but instead bought some index calls so as to have a limited loss in case the uptrend ends), since buying such calls during previous pullbacks was a winning trade.
Oracle's sitting on the hot seat
Can they change to meet the demands of an evolving market?
http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/06/oracle-cloud-comp...
Denver Gold Show - excellent archiving of presentations
Today were the seniors, yesterday mostly mid-tiers and royalty companies, Monday the juniors and incipient producers.
The (Sunday)kick-off seminar had interesting overview materials on the sector; Kinross' presentation did too.
I didn't know that Russia's Polyus was up to 1.2M oz/yr, has an expanded relationship with Kinross, and that 75% of its shares are owned by Russia's two richest men. It seems Russia has the 2nd largest gold reserves in the world, and is one of the least explored countries.
SLW's Peter Barnes is super-impressive to listen to, even more so than CEO's of quasi-rivals Franco-nevada and Royal Gold.
There is a lot here worth seeing and listening to, if you want a current feel for the industry and its leaders:
http://events.digitalmedia.telus.com/denvergold/09...
Re: SLW reversal?
BillySundance - I've been wrong too many times these days to take myself too seriously. But someone here introduced me to candlesticker.com and its candlesticks, and they're actually a useful way of looking at market action. Not always right, but often enough to be interesting.
I will call this a "bearish doji star" pattern. It's only medium reliability. But when it comes to situations like this, I still feel it's likely to be the big players that are selling at RSI 80, and it's the crowd that is buying. There's no breakout here - not in SLV or in SLW. It feels like distribution - high volume, and no price movement. But I've said that before on this very stock at 12 and it went and moved higher two days later!
http://www.candlesticker.com/Cs47.asp
Re: David Rosenberg on the aftermath of a bubble bust
Thanks for posting that Dave. And that's why I listen to Rosenberg...fabulous article. But then he's preaching to the converted here..
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Re: SLW reversal?
Billysundance,
Using this symbol for PM Gold fix price- 38099902 ,in Bigcharts.com its interesting to see the RSI 14 ,MACD And Stochastic for the period of say 1977 to 1982 or the earlier spike 1973-77 using the time drop down menu and choosing the custom option in Advanced charts.
In the 73 to 77 chart there was a pronounced divergence in the RSI 14 to the POG.
In 1980 the RSI 14 nearly reached 100 .
Re: SLW reversal?
Dave
Make what you will of the daily charts, but both SLV and SLW have been exhbiting breakout behavior for since busting through their early-June highs a few weeks ago. Perhaps your interpretation of a "breakout" doesn't take into account that silver is trading continuously so, today for instance, much of the breakout move in silver had occured prior to market open (and resulted in a morning gap up).
I'm far from ready to declare this distribution as we are make continuous new highs for this trend. Joe Sixpack is still wholly unaware of the devaluation of the currency in his pocket and the effects of quanititative easing that may not fully appear until a year or two down the road.
In my speculative opinion we could very easily see a parabolic spike in silver at some point in the next year or so. Conditions are ripe and accumulation has been underway for a long time. Quantitative easing is/can be a long drawn out process but eventually people will wake up one day and inflation will whack them with a proverbial 2x4.
Oilsands Quest
Opened a position in BQI at $1.07 at around 3:30
Trader's morning (useless post)
First cup of coffee. Market just opened. Sun just has risen. NASDAQ just bounced on the bottom chart on second monitor, UAUA just made double bottom on the third, LVS just made new annual high on fourth. Report on healthcare reform on TV.
Re: SLW reversal?
I'm not too savvy with that site but I got a look at the RSI and it doesn't surprise me that the RSI can get to 100 for gold or silver. Thanks for sharing that. I think history may just very well repeat itself.
Re: Just an observation..
justlearning,
Misrepresenting the facts or truth is certainly not just an American problem. The world has gone crazy my friend.
As a Canadian I have tried to point out some incidences in other countries, including Canada. Recently, I wrote in the blog that race-fixing was well known in Formula One. Today, the Renault team managing director and the exec director of engineering were fired, and Renault said it would not dispute allegations of race fixing. They now await a fine from the ruling body.
http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/781925
mahalo for joining us.
Re: Oilsands Quest
any news from BQI, what inspired that...curious...
HR 1207
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/107252
apparently the needed 290th vote in support of the fed audit has been confirmed for the house bill.
Re: Oilsands Quest
It had a good day, it looked appealing to me, I waited for the tragic fall to earth and purchased at a time of fear and confusion, my second favorite time to buy. It's been profitable ever since so consider it taking advantage of someone else's misfortune, I hope. BQI fits a lot of my favorite investment criteria...check it out.
SDS
Bought AH at $39.60 as a protection against my long positions.
Re: SLW reversal?
Nice charts, thanks for sharing NYUGrad. I got excited and sold just over $10...
As one of my mentors is fond of saying "the burned child fears the flame." I held this one from $14 to $2 and change with an average cost in the $7 ballpark. I'm happy now to keep what I have and it's getting harder and harder to find any low-risk entries...
FD: I'm a certified precious metals bug (hoping I'm not missing the big move...)
KC
Re: Airlines
"Looking like they may have reached maximum altitude. UAUA and AMR selling of hard from todays highs. I have ripped off the seat cushion for use as a flotation device. Out of airlines entirely for now..."
Billy, why do you think that they may have reached "max altitude" ? Both have a very strong daily chart, with uptrending 5-day, 10-day and 50-day moving averages. I am holding UAUA with a stop at 8.97.
There was some weakness in the 2-min chart today, is that what you allude to?
In the realm of capitulation/ No reason to celebrate
shark- We're definitely in the neighborhood, if not in the midst of it.
Just finished reading a few 'stories' on the bear blogs, and in no mood to comment. Trading can be a competitive environment, but man, I can't get into celebrating having 'gotten it right,' or having side-stepped disaster, at the expense of extreme pain on the part of others.
I'll probably feel comfortable opening shorts tomorrow.
Come Saturday Morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg0-a4zlwNM
The song to play when it's over, and you're never going back.
Re: Just an observation..
In the jungle, you know who your enemies are..... Thanks for all, Bill.....
Re: Airlines
Joe - I still like UAUA and will look to trade it again when/if I find another comfortable entry. What I saw today was that the open moved UAUA up very steadily to 9.63 until about 11:30am when it began to sell off even as the broader market continue to fuel upwards. The selling came with a solid amount of volume, more than I have been accustomed to seeing lately suggesting a distribution of shares. Then I looked at the options setup for Friday. Very heavy open interest on the Sept7.5 and 9 calls but very small open interest on the Sept9 put. Their is actually SUCH heavy call interest for Sept that max-pain is at $6 for Friday (for what its worth).
Seeing general froth is making me more concerned about holding high beta stocks like UAUA - especially over night. I am concerned with further immediate upside potential % wise. (Whereas I felt there was legitimate 20-25% upside when we are at 800 S&P, I'd be utterly shocked if we went 20-25% further here on S&P). And I wouldn't be surprised if this rally ends at some point with a whallop of a down day.
In general, just getting a bit more cautious and wanting to take a step back, transition some of my trading from swing positions held for weeks and entering more trades intraday as we get closer to the final upward capitulation. I'll be keeping an eye on UAUA. If it turns out I got completely shaken on UAUA today, well, guess I'll have to move on to the next trade.
FDX
spinning top yesterday and bearish engulfing today.
Leveraged ETF RSI Scan
26 bear ETF's in accumulation zone
SSG/FXP in buy zone
5 bull ETF's in distribution zone.
Re: WHere is MarkW?
TOF- Checking in every day, my friend. I just don't feel like I can contribute in a manner that is help full to others. Just like this one! Sent you an e-mail earlier.
China to be a bigger bubble- a report from SocGen
CHINA WILL BE A BIGGER BUBBLE THAN JAPAN
Superb analysis out of SocGen analysts this morning. Dylan Grice says the Chinese economy has many similarities to the Japanese economy before it imploded in the 90’s. He cites 8 reasons why the Chinese economy is likely to be an even larger implosion than the Japanese economy:
Studying the lessons from Japan’s lost decade(s) is key for anyone seeking to understand today’s post-bubble world. But a closer reading of Japan’s financial history illuminates today’s China far more. In the early 1980s, on the eve of its financial liberalisation, Japan was the rising power from the East set to overtake the West. Younger and growing rapidly, it was still a decade away from its climactic and catastrophic bubble peak. This is where China is now.
Japan’s deflationary experience since its bubble burst haunts policy makers and investors, who are confronted with a bewildering range of theories explaining what has gone wrong and how a similar scenario can or can’t be avoided.
But the real cause of Japan’s deflation is probably more demographic than debt-related. If so, maybe we should be more worried about the side-effects of an ongoing stimulus overdose aimed at reviving the dead, rather than fighting a more ordinary bout of flu.
Japan has been the first industrial economy to begin demographic contraction. Indeed, thanks to Deng Xiaoping’s 1979 one child policy, China will soon face the same problem.
But it is unlikely China will suffer the same immediate fate. In fact, further reflection on the similarities between China and Japan leads one to realise that many of the challenges confronting China today have already been faced by Japan, demography being only one.
From the strained currency diplomacy to the accusation of favouring exports over domestic demand, from the Western marvelling at Confucian capitalism to the sense of inevitability about the rising of a great power in the East all were as true for Japan 30 years ago as they are of China today.
And Japan 30 or so years ago might be a more fruitful analogy altogether. There is a clear historic coincidence of manias and geopolitical shifts. In the 1980s, Japan’s developing financial bubble reflected a shifting of the balance of power in its direction.
But the geopolitical shift towards China now underway dwarfs that seen in Japan in the 1980s, and probably anything yet seen in the history of the modern world. A commensurately seismic mania would lead to excesses beyond all proportion to the periodic bouts of frothiness seen so far.
Japan’s experience also hints at what may be the future catalyst unleashing this frenzy: capital account liberalisation. Financial history is filled with financial liberalisations gone wrong and Japan’s bubble can be traced directly to the removal of controls on international capital flows and banking in the early 1980s. Seeking a larger international role for the renminbi, China is now, albeit tentatively, embarking on a similar path. Full liberalisation, when it occurs, could be the starting gun for the biggest bubble the world has ever seen.
Source: SocGen
Maybe your right
UAUA and SLW look potentially toppy but for SLW particularly, you need confirmation first.
Re: Airlines
Thanks Billy. I hadn't taken max pain into consideration for UAUA. I know the theory behind that, but am short on experience :-) Does the max-pain theory really come into play? That would require major manipulation on I-don't-know who's part. I'd be interested in knowing if this is a common phenomenon.
The Gold Producers list
Here is my list. I haven't had much time to update so many of the companies may have changed production capacity since I last had time to review.
1-50,000 OZ/yr
AAG.V AGT AM3.F AMC.TO ANX.TO ATN.TO ATW.V AVK.TO AVR.V BDG.AX BTO.TO CCN.V CGM.L CGR CMM.V CMR.L CRND.L CSG.V CTO.AX DNG.TO EXM.V FGOC.PK FML.AX FML.L GAL.V GDP.L GMA.L GOZ.V HEG.AX HMB.L HSK.AX IMZ.TO JRV.AX LNV.F LOV.V LSG.TO MML.AX MTO.V MUN.AX MWA.L ND.TO NGG.V OYM.TO PGL.L PTQ.TO RCT.V RDR.AX RMS.AX RNG.AX SAM.TO SGR.V SIM.TO SLR.AX SRB.L TAM.AX TBR.AX TRY.AX VGM.L WSRA.PK
50,000-100,000 OZ/yr
ALD.AX ANV BCD.AX BTO.TO BWR.TO CAH.AX CGLD.OB CLF.L DIO.AX DRA.AX EET.TO FIU.TO IAU.TO JIN.TO KGI.TO LMA.TO LST.AX MAI.TO MDL.AX MDN.TO MIRL.L NGL.L NQM.AX ORV.TO OXS.L PNA.AX RIC SRL.AX UME.V WDO.TO
100,000+ OZ/yr
2899.HK 3330.HK 600547.SS ABX AEM AGI.TO AU AUY AVM.L AVO.AX AXM.AX AZK BVN CEE.TO CG.TO CGA.TO CRU.TO DOM.AX DROOY EGO GFI GG GOLD GRS GSS HGM.L HMY HOC.L HRG.TO IAG JAG.TO KCN.AX KGC LIHR MFN NCM.AX NEM NGD NGF.AX NGL.L NXG OGC.AX PAF.L POG.L QUA.TO RBI.TO RML.V RSG.AX SBM.AX SGX.AX SMF.TO WGI.TO
AAPL vs. SLW
Hello fight fans, ladies and gentlemen and children of all ages. Yesterday it was proposed by yours truly a battle of the ages between APPL and SLW. A hypothetical investment of $10,000 would be made in the two stocks based on the September 15, 2009 closing rounded off. While no time table has been determined yet for the length of this competition for arguments sake lets say until about until the end of the year. Lets see how it played out on day one
$10,000 invested in APPL stock at a price of $175 yielded a position of = 57 shares
$10,00 invested in SLW stock at a price of $13.00 yielded a position of = 769 shares
DAY ONE 9/16/2009
Results: APPL destroys SLW
APPL traded +6.87 higher and closed at 181.87 = +6.87 x 57 = $391.59
SLW traded +.21 higher and closed at 13.21 = .21 x 769 = $161.49
APPL holds a $230.10 lead over SLW after just one day
The reasoning behind my choosing SLW over AAPL was based on the following purely short term reasoning.
1.The current euphoria over GOLD and the potential for SLW to trade much, much higher in a shorter time frame than AAPL
2.The stock price leverage with SLW having daily ranges of .50 to $1.00 which would generate greater investment profit than would AAPL on both a real dollar and percentage basis.
Of course the downside is also great for SLW in that a failure of gold to continue aggressively moving higher will result in a collapse of the stock and demise.
*Congrats to AAPL
Re: AAPL vs. SLW
Golong, I'm not sure I understand your focus on the dollar price and dollar change of share prices. It comes down to percentages, period. The leverage has to do with volatility of stock, and you can find more expensive stocks with greater volatility than cheap stocks.
3.83% move in $10K in appl = $383
2.56% move in $10K in SLW = $256 (I see a 33 cent move today)
A lot less confusing than going through the $/share change, diff # of shares, etc. :)
Edit: on second thought, the above still looks to confusing to me: 3.83% vs 2.56% is clear enough. And if you must, you could say with AAPL you would have had 50% more profit
Re: AAPL vs. SLW
This is simply a play on investing in two different stocks nothing less nothing more. People play different stocks and expect to profit one would hope and in this case it is investing in AAPL vs. SLW.
The move is based on where the stock was purchased not the previous days close for the first day only then based on closing price for subsequent days.
It is far easier and shorter to calculate a price movement versus shares and that gives you what you make or lose in dollars. I find it at least for me more real if someone says I made $1,000 on my $10,000 investment and others such as yourself I gather prefer to say I made 10% on my $10,000 investment.
You are welcome to use percentages but for this example I will use dollar movement and leave you to figure out the percentage.
RSI readings - 400 stocks
And the uptrend goes on forever!
Out of 400 big world stocks in the following RSI monitor:
http://xrl.us/bfjwwu (from A to K)
http://xrl.us/bfi4rf (from KB to Z)
after Wednesday there are:
10 Sell alerts
32 Distribution zones
1 Buy alert
and then:
201 stocks with RSI7daily >70
213 stocks with RSI7weekly >70
50 stocks with RSI7 monthly >70
on the contrary there are only:
5 stocks with RSI7daily <30
1 stock with RSI7weekly <30
8 stocks with RSI7montly <30
I'm short... Rien ne va plus (but with stop loss ready to be triggered!).
silver +0.20 to 17.60, gold +5 to 1023
Well I have to say this PM rally does not look like it's gonna stop anytime soon.
And neither does the daily drop in the US dollar, trading at 76.12 down -0.13.
But I'm not sure the dollar drop is what's driving the move in silver & gold at this point.
Can it be the Fed has lost control over the gold market?
Where is that intervention we all know and love?
What's the plan here?
If these prices hold until morning, I suspect SLW will do well tomorrow and I will have been wrong once more...
Working The Short Side A Little
I have decided to start working the short side of the market through the purchase of some SDS, QID and perhaps some FAZ probably today or tommorrow just to test the waters. Unless I see some stronger action in gold above the $1,000 level soon (like this week) I will probably start to unwind most of my long positions as well. Nothing telling me to do this except my gut.
Re: Zero has picked up the shipping vessel story
NYU & Zero Hedge - Nicely done. Unfortunately the vesselltracker add on to Google Earth kept crashing the program. How long before we can log in and track our children and loved ones on their cellphone on Google Earth?
TOF - Mad Hedge Fund Trader has this to say of MS's new CEO: "Waleed Chama will take over as president of Morgan Stanley International, a more sober banker there never was...". Perhaps the market is not into sober bankers right now?
Someone asked my why am I thinking about short DBRN? Well, it was only that - a thought! A possibility for shorting in the event of any retracement the market might pull on us. Brief anecdotal observations of yesterdays action in a couple of stocks (DBRN & AAPL in particular) tells me that someone is interested in systematically breaking major negative trend lines from 2008. I would not purposefully short a stock (except DRYS and that was a foul up) while the rally continues. Apologies to anyone attempting to short anything I've talked about here but I will not fight the trend. They are "what if" scenario stocks.
However I was amused to see the daytraders go to war against flu stocks yesterday. They are a useful crowd for getting in on a solid short, if and when they bunch together to do the deed. I'd like to learn more about the group mechanics of daytraders linked by the internet. I got out of SVA before it went red on seeing it move in sympathy with NVAX, but I've used up my daytrading privileges for the moment so couldn't short it. C'est la vie.
Finally, Jesse's offers a chart illustrating two potential patterns that gold might be in, with associated price targets. JAG appears to be a pig being abused by management (using 52wk high to dilute shareholders) so I'll look to SLW for an entry. Hopefully a pull back in the market will permit a safer entry shortly.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_H2DePAZe2gA/SrEDSrCHAfI/...
Randgold
Bought some Randgold on LSE at 4505p yesterday , its up to 4616p today,Gold at 1020.Randgold is at the same price it was at beginning of June this year ,its all time high .Seems like its decision time, do we break higher or roll over and back off.
Re: Oilsands Quest
shark, we need to talk. Send me an email.
One analyst suggesting why we should be in PM's
"On Tuesday, the government said PPI rose a much stronger-than-expected 1.7% in August. Come December, the price of oil will be up 100% from a year ago, Pento notes; given energy's major weighting, that will have huge ramifications for PPI and CPI data going forward. (Wednesday morning brought a higher-than-expected report on CPI. Both CPI and PPI remain negative on a year-over-year basis but the declines are narrowing and both are trending higher: for example, CPI is up 4.9% on a 3-month annualized basis, according to Miller Tabak.)Everybody knows inflation is here and is going to grow much, much worse," Pento says."
http://tinyurl.com/kwp84m
Re: The Gold Producers list
Thanks for the lists. Just a plugged in the 100k producers into the RSI app
and 9 are in distribution with 14 more having RSI daily & weekly numbers
>70.
seekingalpha.com
Les: seems like a great site, much information, and perhaps too many sales people as advisors.
But, how do you separate the useful from the pack.?